Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[crimresearch]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

The state has decided that GZ is guilty of murder 2.

Corey clearly isn't out to find the truth. She's out to get GZ.

The state is under enormous pressure to put GZ in jail for life.

It will take quite an effort to derail the state's efforts.

Oh, I would agree with that. On the other hand, this judge doesn't behave like he's going to roll over for the prosecution, either.

[GWCarver]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

If the text of the law is beyond your grasp, not much I can do about that...

I wasn't asking about the text of the law. You used it in reply to my question which had nothing to do with any particular law.

[Cylinder]

I guess the passport issue explains the new attorney.

[LTC8K6]

Originally Posted by Cylinder

I guess the passport issue explains the new attorney.

Doesn't seem like there is a passport issue.

[Cylinder]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

Doesn't seem like there is a passport issue.

What I meant is that O'Mara is a one-man law firm. Obviously, he was getting a bit in the weeds to do something simple like failing to file an already drafted motion - especially for someone who seems as competent and attentive to detail as O'Mara.

[Rare Truth]

State's motion to revoke bond...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95593851/S...to-revoke-bond

[crimresearch]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

I edited NOTHING out of what the Judge said...I will concede I erred,. He didn't call Zimmerman a "potted plant" - He called him a "potted palm." lol

"Lester appeared angry that the court had not been told about the money. "Does your client get to sit there like a potted palm and let you lead me down the primrose path?" he asked Zimmerman's lawyer. "That's the issue."

http://www.kvia.com/news/31139723/detail.html

That's a quote. Commit it to memory now.

Except that the quote you just linked to, isn't what you put in quotation marks originally.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...89#post8335089

Quote:

"Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead us down the primrose path????"

The notion that the judge was simply engaging in idle conversation and that his exact words can be chopped up, and rewritten any old way and that they will mean something different under the law, is your fantasy based on not knowing. Just like Googling the law and making up your own interpretations.

What the judge was telling O'mara, was that a judge can't decide if Zimmerman violated that section or if he was making an innocent mistake based *only* on O'mara speculating on what Zimmerman might have been thinking... he has to have Zimmerman there speaking for himself.

Your wishful thinking is just that until such time as Zimmerman tells the judge something directly.

[LTC8K6]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

State's motion to revoke bond...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95593851/S...to-revoke-bond

That looks bad, but it is intended to.

[Rare Truth]

[crimresearch]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

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As I said... this is clearly just a game for you, you have nothing either correct or useful on topic.

[Cylinder]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

That looks bad, but it is intended to.

Notice how the transcription part uses the dollar sign ($) instead of using the transcribed word dollar. I'm wondering what the recording shows on that.

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Originally Posted by crimresearch

What the judge was telling O'mara, was that a judge can't decide if Zimmerman violated that section or if he was making an innocent mistake based *only* on O'mara speculating on what Zimmerman might have been thinking... he has to have Zimmerman there speaking for himself.

That might be a little too complex for some people to understand, especially since it's not what they want it to mean. So instead they'll be doing a little dance thinking the judge really gave it to GZ with that statement.

[GWCarver]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

That looks bad, but it is intended to.

I don't trust de la Rionda, for obvious reasons. I would like to hear the tapes to see if the dollar signs are actually in the recording, or implied. (Not that not wanting to talk about having thousands of dollars aloud while in jail is incriminating.) Also, I can't believe they actually were trying to trick anyone by saying if the bail is "15, pay the 15."

Clearly, sometime between the 16th and the 20th, they changed their minds about using the internet money. O'Mara appears to have been blindsided by this, so there may be nothing to it. It was clear they knew they were being recorded.

[crimresearch]

Originally Posted by Natural Born Skeptic

That might be a little too complex for some people to understand, especially since it's not what they want it to mean. So instead they'll be doing a little dance thinking the judge really gave it to GZ with that statement.

Apparently.

At the next hearing, I suspect we will hear directly from the judge what he thinks of GZ's intentions on the matter.

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Originally Posted by crimresearch

Apparently.

At the next hearing, I suspect we will hear directly from the judge what he thinks of GZ's intentions on the matter.

Do we know when the next hearing will be? How long will GZ be back in jail for before the hearing?

[LTC8K6]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

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It's a prosecution document. It is written to look the worst it can look for the defendant. It's nothing new or unusual.

Just like the capias request and the murder 2 affidavit.

They are not written to be fair.

[AlBell]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

Gonna be fun to watch Ole Georgie on the stand again.

heh.

After that sequence of your posts, I won't be able to see if you have anything worthwhile to add.

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by crimresearch

As I said... this is clearly just a game for you, you have nothing either correct or useful on topic.

No, I'm laughing because you actually took many posts to attempt to point out I 'butchered a quote'...at one point saying I made it up...and because I posted directly what I thought I heard from the hearing...and had not been in print yet -- It's this big cause of concern for you - when my error was the difference between this:

Me: "Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead us down the primrose path????"

Judge: "Does your client get to sit there like a potted palm and let you lead me down the primrose path?"

Yeah, that's laughable. And very funny *this* is where you chose to shoot your arrows. lol.

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by AlBell

After that sequence of your posts, I won't be able to see if you have anything worthwhile to add.

Oh well. Your loss.

[GWCarver]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

It's a prosecution document. It is written to look the worst it can look for the defendant. It's nothing new or unusual.

Just like the capias request and the murder 2 affidavit.

They are not written to be fair.

The motion shows clearly the discussions about using the money for bail. The question is, where is the discussion in which they decided not to use the money for bail?

[KatieG]

Originally Posted by crimresearch

Oh, I would agree with that. On the other hand, this judge doesn't behave like he's going to roll over for the prosecution, either.

Do you have an opinion about the way this judge is handling this case? He seems to be pretty no nonsense and willing to call both sides on their BS.

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Anyone want to comment on this article versus what really happened today? It says like GZ was caught in "cryptic conversations about his second passport" with his wife. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...nfluence-trial It also states matter of factly that he'll likely stay in jail until the trial.

[KatieG]

Originally Posted by Natural Born Skeptic

Anyone want to comment on this article versus what really happened today? It says like GZ was caught in "cryptic conversations about his second passport" with his wife. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...nfluence-trial It also states matter of factly that he'll likely stay in jail until the trial.

Still catching up but I thought the comment was about GZ and his wife having a coded conversation about the money in the paypal account.

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

It's a prosecution document. It is written to look the worst it can look for the defendant. It's nothing new or unusual.

Just like the capias request and the murder 2 affidavit.

They are not written to be fair.

Has this sunk in yet??

BAIL HAS BEEN REVOKED.

Dude lied, and he's going back to jail. Yeah, he has a chance to explain it. Guess what? I don't think it's going to fly.

Then y'alls are going to complain about 'lynching' again. This time by the judge.

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

Has this sunk in yet??

BAIL HAS BEEN REVOKED.

Dude lied, and he's going back to jail. Yeah, he has a chance to explain it. Guess what? I don't think it's going to fly.

Then y'alls are going to complain about 'lynching' again. This time by the judge.

Oh ya, cause we allz been talking bout our man GZ bein lynched.

I think Al Bell had the right idea.

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Originally Posted by KatieG

Still catching up but I thought the comment was about GZ and his wife having a coded conversation about the money in the paypal account.

Quote from article:

Quote:

In one such recording, they can be heard speaking cryptically about a second passport in his possession.

[TheL8Elvis]

Originally Posted by KatieG

Still catching up but I thought the comment was about GZ and his wife having a coded conversation about the money in the paypal account.

As I understand it, instead of 'fifteen thousand', they said 'fifteen'. Some code.

[Rare Truth]

When bond has been revoked:
Significance

• When a bail bond is revoked and the defendant is sent back to jail, the bond fee has to be paid due to the defendant's violation of the stipulations in the contract of the bond...or due to him engaging in illegal activities while out on bond. The bail bond has to be paid. The person that put up bond, the indemnitor, loses anything of value that he has promised on the defendant's behalf as part of the bail contract.
  
  

http://www.ehow.com/about_4696800_ca...ail-bond_.html


Eees gonna cost him. (and the dupes who contributed to him)

Poor George. I feel for him.



Not really.

[GWCarver]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

Has this sunk in yet??

BAIL HAS BEEN REVOKED.

Dude lied, and he's going back to jail. Yeah, he has a chance to explain it. Guess what? I don't think it's going to fly.

Then y'alls are going to complain about 'lynching' again. This time by the judge.

I don't recall the judge saying the "Dude lied". I recall the judge being upset because Zimmerman just sat there while his wife said they didn't have any money. That is why I asked you if you thought it was possible Zimmerman thought he had the right to remain silent during the bond hearing. Here's another chance for you to answer.

[TheL8Elvis]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

Has this sunk in yet??

BAIL HAS BEEN REVOKED.

Dude lied, and he's going back to jail. Yeah, he has a chance to explain it. Guess what? I don't think it's going to fly.

Then y'alls are going to complain about 'lynching' again. This time by the judge.

You might want to go search the thread before making up stories of people complaining about 'lynchings'.

[TheL8Elvis]

Originally Posted by Rare Truth

[...]
Eees gonna cost him. (and the dupes who contributed to him)

Poor George. I feel for him.

Not really.

I don't get the weird accent thing you are doing, or whatever it is. But don't bother explaining, if you get my drift.

[KatieG]

Originally Posted by Natural Born Skeptic

Quote from article:

As Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester said-

"And he can’t sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods.

That’s what they were. So at this time, revoke his bond, place him on no bond status. Find that good cause exists based upon the material misrepresentations that the court relied upon. Order him to surrender himself within 48 hours to the sheriff of Seminole county,"


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-z...#ixzz1waIzf0qH

[johnny karate]

Originally Posted by GWCarver

I don't recall the judge saying the "Dude lied".

That may be not be a direct quote from the judge, but he certainly indicated he thought something dishonest had taken place.

Rare Truth's jubilation over this development may be rubbing some posters the wrong way, but the underlying point is valid. A blatant deception took place, and it places Zimmerman's credibility into serious doubt.

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Originally Posted by KatieG

As Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester said-

"And he can’t sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods.

That’s what they were. So at this time, revoke his bond, place him on no bond status. Find that good cause exists based upon the material misrepresentations that the court relied upon. Order him to surrender himself within 48 hours to the sheriff of Seminole county,"


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-z...#ixzz1waIzf0qH

Katie, I don't think we are on the same page here. Please go back and read my original question, then your response which did not answer my question and addressed something totally different in the article, then my response that quoted the portion of the article my original question was about, and now another response from you that again has nothing to do with my question?

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by johnny karate

That may be not be a direct quote from the judge, but he certainly indicated he thought something dishonest had taken place.

Rare Truth's jubilation over this development may be rubbing some posters the wrong way, but the underlying point is valid. A blatant deception took place, and it places Zimmerman's credibility into serious doubt.

Jubilation.

I like that word.

Jubilation...

[OnlyTellsTruths]

Bolding mine:

Originally Posted by Cylinder

It sounds a bit like a fish-tale, but O'Mara wisely printed the directory listing to show the creation date of that file and provided that to the judge, along with the old passport, when he was in court today.

I can't believe that continues to fly with judges.

You can change the file dates with about two clicks if you have the right software. Easily obtainable, easy to use, and completely free.

All three are easily changed. Date Created. Date Modified. Date Accessed.

To use them for evidence of something is insane.

Even if the judge trusts the person who's computer it was. That doesn't mean the computer wasn't compromised.

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis

You might want to go search the thread before making up stories of people complaining about 'lynchings'.

Originally Posted by WildCat

Maybe they'd settle for a lynching?

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

Why bother to post that junk here? Why don't you just go and lynch the crazed moron?

34 other comments regarding lynching...
...

[KatieG]

Originally Posted by Natural Born Skeptic

Katie, I don't think we are on the same page here. Please go back and read my original question, then your response which did not answer my question and addressed something totally different in the article, then my response that quoted the portion of the article my original question was about, and now another response from you that again has nothing to do with my question?

Sorry, NBS. I see where I went off the rails. Difference between the passport issue and the paypal account issue.

[Rare Truth]

Originally Posted by OnlyTellsTruths

Bolding mine:




I can't believe that continues to fly with judges.

You can change the file dates with about two clicks if you have the right software. Easily obtainable, easy to use, and completely free.

All three are easily changed. Date Created. Date Modified. Date Accessed.

To use them for evidence of something is insane.

Even if the judge trusts the person who's computer it was. That doesn't mean the computer wasn't compromised.

At the bond hearing --

....................

O'Mara: This is my client's current passport, the only passport that he has. It does expire May of 2012, but I did want to acknowledge it and surrender it to the court at this time.
Lester: Thank you.
..............

Today: Sorry, your honor. My lying client ********** me over again. can we get a do-over?

lol.

[GWCarver]

Originally Posted by johnny karate

That may be not be a direct quote from the judge, but he certainly indicated he thought something dishonest had taken place.

Rare Truth's jubilation over this development may be rubbing some posters the wrong way, but the underlying point is valid. A blatant deception took place, and it places Zimmerman's credibility into serious doubt.

I don't think there is any evidence there was a "blatant deception". Zimmerman's wife was ready to put up 100k for bond, and thought that was what the money was for. Later, for reasons we don't know, her and Z changed their minds and went to their relatives for bond money.

The money certainly wasn't a secret because everyone around here knew about it, just not how much.