Bigsploitation: The Making and Selling of Bigfoot

[AttorneyTom]

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Hubris. The Master Race psychology of laziness and stupid bellicosity from the delusion of entitlement.

But its a beautiful day today and I finally got an obnoxioius section of trail cleared. I swear the government is so lax about clearing my trails. It's like they don't even know they exist.

I was just thinking ABP

Yes.. I know that is dangerous..

But perhaps the local BF Population there could somehow be trained in clearing those trails ? I mean they dont have a whole lot to do and for a few Zagnut bars, perhaps an airplane ride or two, and some other goodies something could be worked out.

I have many friends who tell me that they some friends that have observed and watched BF sweep and shovel various areas of their domain with natural brooms ( usually a pine bough that has been chewed off at a 9ft level).


Just a thought .

[AttorneyTom]

In other important news.....

The BF Hair sample with a "skin flake" is at the "unbelievably" Buy It Now low price of just $50 on ebay ! Doesnt someone here that might be a proponent of the phenomenon want to purchase it and then submit it with its Certificate of Authenticity to the proper/appropriate "scientist" ?

I mean all of the leg work and collecting and time would be worth it ?

Plus it includes a Flake !!

[Jodie]

LOLOL...do you think it would meet the provenance standards for Sykes study?

[AttorneyTom]

I dont know. The main thing is that it has the Certificate of Autheticity ? I suppose that would be taken for face value and game over.

Have you clicked your heels together three times reciting " thre is no such thing as Sasquatch" yet ? LOL !

The other thing is that Zagnut Bars are getting harder to find. What is with that ?

[Jodie]

Peanut crop failure?

A more accurate description for my view point is " There's no evidence for the existence of Sasquatch".....so for now it doesn't exist for me, but as long as there is a whiff of potential for evidence I will be paying attention.

However, I have my doubts about the e-bay "flake" being the Eureka moment.

[AttorneyTom]

Originally Posted by Jodie

Peanut crop failure?

A more accurate description for my view point is " There's no evidence for the existence of Sasquatch".....so for now it doesn't exist for me, but as long as there is a whiff of potential for evidence I will be paying attention.

However, I have my doubts about the e-bay "flake" being the Eureka moment.

No whiffs!

[AlaskaBushPilot]

The "buy it now" price is $50. Nobody is bidding, which for a piece that priceless is odd. I see a couple casts of footprints for $95 and $99.

[AttorneyTom]

But for a mere $50 and free shipping the myth would be busted !! Screw the casts !!

Plus the "Certificate of Autheticity ".. and the Flake !

[Jodie]

Tom, you ought to buy the damn thing and send it to Sykes just to see what would happen.....or not.

[parnassus]

^why in the ever-loving blue-eyed world would he do that? Just to support the hoaxers and subvert Sykes' study?

[AttorneyTom]

I would rather spend my $50 on something that might be a fun thing ? Also perhaps something that would actually exist ?! Like a Margarita and some Tacos for a party of four.

Plus as you might know I do not promote "Bigsloitation" !!

There would be some change involved.

How come the people that are into believing this phenomenon do not pony up ? Gee..

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by parnassus

^why in the ever-loving blue-eyed world would he do that? Just to support the hoaxers and subvert Sykes' study?

He seems to be fascinated by it, why not? How would a negative result be subverting his study Parn?

[Jodie]

Originally Posted by AttorneyTom

I would rather spend my $50 on something that might be a fun thing ? Also perhaps something that would actually exist ?! Like a Margarita and some Tacos for a party of four.

Plus as you might know I do not promote "Bigsloitation" !!

There would be some change involved.

How come the people that are into believing this phenomenon do not pony up ? Gee..

They think everyone is lying, misinformed, or less sane than themselves, therefore no "flake" purchase.

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Jodie

Peanut crop failure?

A more accurate description for my view point is " There's no evidence for the existence of Sasquatch".....so for now it doesn't exist for me, but as long as there is a whiff of potential for evidence I will be paying attention.

However, I have my doubts about the e-bay "flake" being the Eureka moment.

The problem with such things as Bigfoot is that there'll always be a "whiff of potential for evidence," its what keeps the believers believing.

The standard of this evidence is beyond poor, which is why the doubters keep doubting. Its a never-ending cycle.

[Jodie]

Yes, all the more reason for researchers to pony up their so called wonderful evidence not fit for the eyes of the world due to copyright issues, confidentiality issues, fear of ridicule issues, one upmanship issues.......the list goes on and so we continue the circular argument and bigsploitation thrives. There is no monetary motivation to prove bigfoot's existence when the mystery sells so much better.

[parnassus]

yes, the market is almost beyond "niche" status. According to an internet survey, * 29% of Americans believe bigfoot is real or probably real. That would be a bigger market than, say, Southern Cal football memorabilia or Tea Party t shirts. I may have to start practicing writing nonsense babble.

*note the heading "myth."

[parnassus]

I anticipate a surge in Bigfoot reports from Louisiana in the not too distant future.

Quote:

Of the plans so far put forward, Louisiana's plan is by far the broadest. This month, eligible families, including those with incomes nearing $60,000 a year, are submitting applications for vouchers to state-approved private schools.

That list includes some of the most prestigious schools in the state, which offer a rich menu of advanced placement courses, college-style seminars and lush grounds. The top schools, however, have just a handful of slots open. The Dunham School in Baton Rouge, for instance, has said it will accept just four voucher students, all kindergartners. As elsewhere, they will be picked in a lottery.

Far more openings are available at smaller, less prestigious religious schools, including some that are just a few years old and others that have struggled to attract tuition-paying students.

The school willing to accept the most voucher students -- 314 -- is New Living Word in Ruston, which has a top-ranked basketball team but no library. Students spend most of the day watching TVs in bare-bones classrooms. Each lesson consists of an instructional DVD that intersperses Biblical verses with subjects such chemistry or composition.

The Upperroom Bible Church Academy in New Orleans, a bunker-like building with no windows or playground, also has plenty of slots open. It seeks to bring in 214 voucher students, worth up to $1.8 million in state funding.

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Originally Posted by AttorneyTom

How come the people that are into believing this phenomenon do not pony up ? Gee..

Because you go on the bigfoot list the government is keeping?

The things that seem to be working are the bigfoot expeditions. They have to run them in off-peak seasons in the parks or at night so you don't see the all the park visitors. But they charge hundreds for them, and they're bringing dozens of people to these events.

[GT/CS]

If you want to get a feel for 'footers and the government check this thread by starting with post 6328. The government conspiracy talk stalls for a page or two then picks up again.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php?/...page__st__6300

[Castro]

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Because you go on the bigfoot list the government is keeping?

No.

[Aepervius]

Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome

The problem with such things as Bigfoot is that there'll always be a "whiff of potential for evidence," its what keeps the believers believing.

The standard of this evidence is beyond poor, which is why the doubters keep doubting. Its a never-ending cycle.

Bigfootism is a religion with its heretic, and apostat. Some religion have been going on for thousand of years and are still going on today. I don't think they need their "whiff of evidence" to wanes and waxes in cycles. Just their faith and dreams.

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Aepervius

Bigfootism is a religion with its heretic, and apostat. Some religion have been going on for thousand of years and are still going on today. I don't think they need their "whiff of evidence" to wanes and waxes in cycles. Just their faith and dreams.

True, but the occassional blurred footage on Youtube and the questionable footcasts that keep getting churned out will go some ways in keeping the believers believing.

[AttorneyTom]

"Bigsploitism" is a religion. The people that believe in this are fanatics. Obviously there are others that are making money off of this and , of course, they want to perpetuate the belief.

Interesting that we have had an insurgence of BF proponents on the Forum this past week. Cha-ching !!!$$$

[Jodie]

It's one thing for Parn, Shrike, and a few others here to frequent a forum for proponents, but for whatever reason, it seems to be a personal insult to people when someone who once applauded your view points changes their mind and walks away.

It maybe coincidence, but I have a feeling it has more to do with curiosity than it does with any desire to hear what a skeptic has to say. It's a strange world with strange people in it, never mind the cryptids.

[parnassus]

I wonder if there is link between the influx of bleevers here and the TheMelba's fall from grace? It seems that referring to that event is now viewed as trolling, and will be punished, as I discovered, and others may, as well:

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View PostDarrell, on 23 June 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:
Hey just a thought, what if the reason the DNA is so human is because........IT IS HUMAN!

Darrell.

it would be great if you would read some of the references and past postings in this thread, so that some of your quips were rather better aimed.

Shall I point you to the only post from Dr Ketchum on the subject, AGAIN, or to the leak from Stubstad, an insider, AGAIN, or do you think you could trouble yourself to go back to the previous page? You don't know what the DNA results are, and the only two people who do know, and who have spoken about it publicly, say that they are NOT modern human.

Let me say this to you very clearly. If you continue to ignore what others have posted, and if you post deliberately provocative quips of this nature again, you will be dealt with as though trolling. Trolling is specifically disallowed under rule 3B

Mike

[rockinkt]

And the beat goes on...

http://www.thesasquatchhunters.com/store/

[mikeyx]

Originally Posted by rockinkt

And the beat goes on...

http://www.thesasquatchhunters.com/store/

has anyone ever noticed that sasquatch watch and tbrc ripped off the starbucks logo?

[Jodie]

I thought that was the starbucks logo and they were just a big fan of the brand.

[AttorneyTom]

Originally Posted by parnassus

I wonder if there is link between the influx of bleevers here and the TheMelba's fall from grace? It seems that referring to that event is now viewed as trolling, and will be punished, as I discovered, and others may, as well:

Golly, That Rule 3B must be interesting to read ?

[GT/CS]

Originally Posted by AttorneyTom

Golly, That Rule 3B must be interesting to read ?

B. Trolling (purposely posting messages designed to alarm, antagonize, or provoke other users) will not be tolerated. The staff -- not the users -- will determine if someone is trolling. The Staff encourages members to report posts that may be considered trolling.

[AttorneyTom]

Originally Posted by GT/CS

B. Trolling (purposely posting messages designed to alarm, antagonize, or provoke other users) will not be tolerated. The staff -- not the users -- will determine if someone is trolling. The Staff encourages members to report posts that may be considered trolling.

Wow, So if you are not a true BFF'er the neighbors report you and you are either shunned from the site or some other punishment ? That is a bit different and sad.

Certainly doesnt help set up any sort of debate about their Big Friend.

Edit: I guess that would be the reason for such a Rule ?

[GT/CS]

Yes, it seems to be quite arbitrary. By using that rule they should have banned me long ago but I haven't even been warned. Well, I haven't been warned for that particular behavior.

[Jodie]

That has always been a rule. Usually you have plenty of warnings before banning occurs.

It is left up to the moderator to decide and the admins do not usually interfere unless it causes a real problem, one can always appeal.

They seem to be getting rather strict with a certain party line to weed out the undesirables and to improve the so called quality of the forum membership...mainly those that tend to stir the pot or promote a trend that isn't popular.

There is now a method to the madness, you just need to chose the "approved" delusional theme to claim as your own. I'm not a big fan of paranormal bigfoot but I believed in the rules. It galled me to see them bent and manipulated, or simply ignored, by those that made the rules. Then try to justify that by declaring one forum member more valuable than another on what is supposed to be a discussion forum about something no one has any proof exists......how's that for rational?

[AttorneyTom]

This topic seems almost worthy of its own Thread " Bigsploitation of the Mind" something ? I dont know ?? " The Group Think of BF".. " How I Escaped the World of BF Believers and their Followers "? .. "Stalag BF"...

Something..

[Jodie]

It would make an interesting thread for sure, you might get more than a few more anonymous stragglers with low posts counts dropping in to comment.

[AttorneyTom]

You know,

I just used to think of this as a marketing thing.

But from some of the stories and things that I have seen on here it is like a cult of Bigfoot ? If you dont follow the rules ie. deviate from our expectations of you and our "beliefs" you will be punished.

Then there suddenly appeared a few people that just showed up on the JREF some new people apparently from other groups that adamantly believe in BF that can't rationaly discuss the topic unless they were discussing it with someone that would believe in the topic. "Bigfoots Witnesses"... No amount of common sense or logic could keep them from their talking points.

Edit:

No "Buy It Now" on the "Skin Flake and BF Hair Sample" on ebay yet.. and no.. that is not my submission !!!!. Jsyk...

I am glad this Forum is tolerant of differing opinions so long as it is a discussion of logic and civility.

[parnassus]

I had never been warned about trolling. Boom, I got a two week suspension. Same topic: the Ketchum Renege. I mean Report.

Someone (a bleever) had posted, in obvious reference to my posts, but not naming me, that they were glad not to be hearing any more false statements about Ketchum's data. So I put a twist on it, adding a parody of the bleever's frequent complaints that skeptics can't bad mouth members; my post something like:

Quote:

"I would caution member x not to accuse Dr. Ketchum, who is a member, of posting false statements about her data."

At the same time, I posted a reply to a thread about some internet yahoo who wrote a piece about how bigfoots had a very closeknit family/social structure. So I wrote something like:

Quote:

"yes, that must be, because you never hear about bigfoot divorce, child abuse, spousal abuse, elder abuse, substance abuse, abortion, speeding, parking in handicap zones, or removing the tags from mattresses."

Personally I thought both were amusing, though I often think my posts are cleverer than they are. LOL. I certainly didn't see how anyone could take either one seriously.

[AttorneyTom]

I thought the one about "Jiffy Pop" was quite fun ?)

The mindset just tells me that or sends to me that the organization is not only delusional but paranoid and run by nuts?

To intentionally narrow the base by excluding your members because there is some sort of questioning and not logically discussing a topic ?

Edit:

What is the draw to go on there ?

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Well you can't blame them. The forums are private. If they want to run a skinhead website they can do that too. I can understand the temptation to make them answer questions - but in the end they are allowed to determine content.

Oh well. I guess in a way it is like entering a church and saying "God is Dead". "We're running strip shows here from now on and selling hard liquor." You'd be right. But they aren't going to allow for it.

[parnassus]

Oh, of course they can do/censor/suppress whatever they wish. What is remarkable to me is the change that has occurred recently, apparently dating to either
1) HRPuff's apparently "conversion" to bleever based on some alleged film that someone showed him. Of course, he won't show it, but upbraids others eg Sasfooty for making unsupported claims. Go figure.
or
2) defensiveness re the Ketchum Report Renege*, as I have been the most prominent Doubting Thomas on that fiasco.

From my standpoint, these were humorous posts; but from the bleever perspective, perhaps they thought I was laughing at them. Big difference. Laughing at, vs laughing with.

*renege: verb, intransitive. To go back on a promise, contract or agreement. Also, in card games: to play a card in violation of the rules.