Was Osama bin Laden a caveman mastermind? Yes or no? - Page 7

1337m4n · 3rd April 2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Please prove that they were. Prove that 100% of their funding came from non-U.S./Israeli government sources.

Please prove that you don't beat your wife. Prove that 100% of your time is spent not beating your wife.

jaydeehess · 3rd April 2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

It's funny watching government truthers operate. Ask them to prove why they believe what they believe, and when they can't, they start talking about the Matrix, Star Wars, and other movies.

It's like, "believe what we believe right now or we'll invoke Hollywood! That will teach ya!"

So the point of posts of that nature actually does fly right past you?

You have asked questions concerning many subjects that amount to the same type of position outlined in those 'Matrix' and similar posts.

Just because you wish it to be otherwise does not make it so.

You asked "What good are scientists and engineers going to do you in if Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget? ", to which I responded with my question as to what would it matter if all of reality were a fallacy.

The operative word in both questions is the word "if". Unless you have something compelling to note that would indicate that "Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget" then you have posited no more a moving question than mine.

So far you have not come up with anything other than that you distrust the US gov't and consider it to be a criminal organization. Your personal unsubstantiated opinion counts for naught.

jaydeehess · 3rd April 2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by alienentity

Until it is moved to this forum, take a look at my parallel thread which examines the important question 'Are 9/11 Truthers Tree-Dwelling Conspiracists?'
The thread also states clearly the fact that such 9/11 Truthers are vocal apologists for the Al Qaeda terror network and Osama Bin Laden.

Have fun!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=233487

been there done that

signed: Your friendly neighbourhood tree and igloo dwelling debunker

A W Smith · 3rd April 2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Please prove that they were. Prove that 100% of their funding came from non-U.S./Israeli government sources.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...ts.html#burden

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...html#goalposts

SpringHallConvert · 3rd April 2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by A W Smith

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...ts.html#burden

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...html#goalposts

Swing and miss! Neither accurately identifies my arguments.

Try again.

jaydeehess · 3rd April 2012, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

So the point of posts of that nature actually does fly right past you?

You have asked questions concerning many subjects that amount to the same type of position outlined in those 'Matrix' and similar posts.

Just because you wish it to be otherwise does not make it so.

You asked "What good are scientists and engineers going to do you in if Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget? ", to which I responded with my question as to what would it matter if all of reality were a fallacy.

The operative word in both questions is the word "if". Unless you have something compelling to note that would indicate that "Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget" then you have posited no more a moving question than mine.

So far you have not come up with anything other than that you distrust the US gov't and consider it to be a criminal organization. Your personal unsubstantiated opinion counts for naught.

What? no further comment?

oody · 3rd April 2012, 09:05 PM

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A W Smith · 4th April 2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Swing and miss! Neither accurately identifies my arguments.

Try again.

youhave no arguments, you have logical fallacies that i have pointed out to you, You don't even have a "pitch" to "swing" at.

triforcharity · 4th April 2012, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Where do I apply to become a caveman?

Why would you want that many wives? Isn't one more than enough?

leftysergeant · 5th April 2012, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Gos_man

Why is it so hard to believe that the intelligence agencies tasked with stopping this pre 911 failed?

These were many of the same agencies that failed miserably in relation to Iraq and WMD's and the attacks on the underground systems in London and Madrid post 911.

Once you take into account that all of these super-sophisticate defense and intelligence agencies were answering to a pack of drooling morons in the executive branch, it amazing that they got anything done, actually.

leftysergeant · 5th April 2012, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Therefore, I feel justified in referring to Osama bin Laden as a "caveman mastermind". By definition, he was both a caveman and a mastermind.

Dude, Moses spent forty years living in a tent that never seems to have spent more than a day or two in the same spot and he founded a major nation that kicked some ass all over the Levant.

Mohammed, P.B.U.H., began a successful holy war against a number of rather hideous pagan cults while spending a great deal of his time in a cave, recieving the Qur'an from the angel Gabriel.

ObL was a rich man who lived relatively simply, often in the field. Why anybody has a hard time how this would interfere with his aggenda to rule a good portion of the world is beyond me.

Even Julius Caesar lived mostly in a tent during the time that he was subduing a big chunk of Europe.

Add to this the fact that the formation that ObL led was organized mostly into small cells operating with some autonomy and his choice of living accomodations is a silly thing on which to obsess. Do learn something about the concept of asymetrical warfare.

leftysergeant · 5th April 2012, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Why would you want that many wives? Isn't one more than enough?

I'm sure it is nice to usually have at least one who is not pregnant.

twinstead · 5th April 2012, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Do learn something about the concept of asymetrical warfare.

I'd be happy if he just learned something about the concept of burden of proof.

SpringHallConvert · 5th April 2012, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

I'd be happy if he just learned something about the concept of burden of proof.

Speaking of burden of proof, the burden of proof is on you to prove the real origins of Al-Qaeda's financing.

thedopefishlives · 5th April 2012, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Speaking of burden of proof, the burden of proof is on you to prove the real origins of Al-Qaeda's financing.

Lesson clearly not learned.

BStrong · 5th April 2012, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Swing and miss! Neither accurately identifies my arguments.Try again.

Neither does logic or available evidence, but carry on.

BStrong · 5th April 2012, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Dude, Moses spent forty years living in a tent that never seems to have spent more than a day or two in the same spot and he founded a major nation that kicked some ass all over the Levant.

Mohammed, P.B.U.H., began a successful holy war against a number of rather hideous pagan cults while spending a great deal of his time in a cave, recieving the Qur'an from the angel Gabriel.

ObL was a rich man who lived relatively simply, often in the field. Why anybody has a hard time how this would interfere with his aggenda to rule a good portion of the world is beyond me.

Even Julius Caesar lived mostly in a tent during the time that he was subduing a big chunk of Europe.

Add to this the fact that the formation that ObL led was organized mostly into small cells operating with some autonomy and his choice of living accomodations is a silly thing on which to obsess. Do learn something about the concept of asymetrical warfare.

Add Genghis Khan to the list too.

twinstead · 5th April 2012, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Speaking of burden of proof, the burden of proof is on you to prove the real origins of Al-Qaeda's financing.

The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. It's called the commonly-held narrative for a reason. You don't agree? Then come up with an alternate theory. Until then you're just blowing smoke.

LSSBB · 5th April 2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. It's called the commonly-held narrative for a reason. You don't agree? Then come up with an alternate theory. Until then you're just blowing smoke.

+1

leftysergeant · 5th April 2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by BStrong

Add Genghis Khan to the list too.

GK was SERIOUSLY hard-core. Dude lived on a horse's back.

jaydeehess · 5th April 2012, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. It's called the commonly-held narrative for a reason. You don't agree? Then come up with an alternate theory. Until then you're just blowing smoke.

if SHC had any compelling arguement to counter the widely accepted history of AQ one would expect it would have been posted in this forum

SpringHallConvert · 7th April 2012, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by twinstead

The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize.

No, not really.

fess · 7th April 2012, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

No, not really.

Care to explain? Or will you leave this highly intelligent post as is?

dafydd · 7th April 2012, 07:08 AM

Do not feed the troll. The best thing to do with attention seekers is to ignore them, that really upsets them.

jaydeehess · 7th April 2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

No, not really.

Yeah, it really is.

Of course your reality may be at odds with a logical assesment of the world

Grizzly Bear · 7th April 2012, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

referring to Osama bin Laden as a "caveman mastermind". Am I wrong to refer to Osama bin Laden this way? Not to my way of thinking, since, according to mainstream history, Osama bin Laden did spend time living or hiding in caves and he was the supposed 9/11 mastermind. Therefore, 'caveman mastermind' seems apt.

Honestly don't care if you call him a caveman. The pertinent question is on what basis do you believe he lacked the logistical know how to orchestrate a large scale attack given his history or being able to do similar attacks like the USS Cole, or the 1998 United States embassy bombings? Does your derogatory reference to his being a "cavemen" suggest he could not have carried out these attacks logistically? If not, how do you define your criteria for his involvement in planning the 9/11 attacks? Will this be added among the many questions you don't address?

ozeco41 · 7th April 2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Do not feed the troll. The best thing to do with attention seekers is to ignore them, that really upsets them.

Grizzly Bear · 7th April 2012, 01:06 PM

Sometimes people need a demonstration to remind them, say for example having someone pose a serious question and have it blown off. I have to admit though that doesn't necessarily make people stop either

dafydd · 7th April 2012, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear

Sometimes people need a demonstration to remind them, say for example having someone pose a serious question and have it blown off. I have to admit though that doesn't necessarily make people stop either

Lurkers can learn a good deal too, so SHC is doing a good job, but not in the way he intends. Still, the attention will be good for his ego.

ozeco41 · 7th April 2012, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

Lurkers can learn a good deal too, so SHC is doing a good job, but not in the way he intends. Still, the attention will be good for his ego.

Sure. But as the number of genuine truthers seeking truth drops to zero the number of genuine lurkers must also be diminishing.

Seriously how many people can possibly remain who are lurkers with genuine unanswered questions about 9/11?

We (some of us) are only feeding the trolls out of boredom.

dafydd · 7th April 2012, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by ozeco41

Sure. But as the number of genuine truthers seeking truth drops to zero the number of genuine lurkers must also be diminishing.

Seriously how many people can possibly remain who are lurkers with genuine unanswered questions about 9/11?

We (some of us) are only feeding the trolls out of boredom.

True, television is awful nowadays. Responding to obvious trolling inadequates does provide some amusement.

BCR · 7th April 2012, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

True, television is awful nowadays. Responding to obvious trolling inadequates does provide some amusement.

Facebook is kinda quiet tonight

Dog Town · 7th April 2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

No, not really.

SpringHallConvert · 7th April 2012, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

Yeah, it really is.

Of course your reality may be at odds with a logical assesment of the world

Whoever told you your assessment is logical? Some talking head on TV? Some whore masquerading around as a politician in brainWashington, DC?

Logic isn't on your side here, sweetie. Gullibility, maybe, but not logic.

BCR · 7th April 2012, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Whoever told you your assessment is logical? Some talking head on TV? Some whore masquerading around as a politician in brainWashington, DC?

Logic isn't on your side here, sweetie. Gullibility, maybe, but not logic.

No SHC, he has data and facts on his side along with a reasoned and logical assessment of that data. I know, that is not something you would know anything about since you assert that OBL was a "caveman mastermind" in contradiction to logic and facts. Since I don't don't watch TV news or "talking heads" and consider all politicians to be self-serving liars who would not know logic from a "caveman" (sorta like you), yet I reach similar conclusions in regards to the people involved in 9/11 and it's financing based on primary evidence sources.

But then again, I do research rather than wasting my time trolling internet forums and watching "talking heads" on television.

SpringHallConvert · 7th April 2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by BCR

No SHC, he has data and facts on his side along with a reasoned and logical assessment of that data.

I see no evidence for this claim.

Mudcat · 7th April 2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

I see no evidence for this claim.

That would probably because you don't even consider the evidence that says very plainly and unambiguously that you are wrong. But hey you said it before oh so eloquently that you (SHC) have the right to be ignorant.

You may now continue failing at failing.

SpringHallConvert · 7th April 2012, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

That would probably because you don't even consider the evidence that says very plainly and unambiguously that you are wrong.

There is no such credible evidence.

If I'm wrong, show it to me.

Mudcat · 7th April 2012, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

There is no such credible evidence.

If I'm wrong, show it to me.

You mean apart from the evidence that's already been presented in this thread that you have dismissed out of hand as being not credible due to it being from official sources despite the fact that you accept those same sources if they feed your delusions?

This is, of course, putting aside the scientific and legal requirements that you have the burden of proof. This might sound familiar to you as it has been explained to you like a million times.

SpringHallConvert · 7th April 2012, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

You mean apart from the evidence that's already been presented in this thread that you have dismissed out of hand as being not credible due to it being from official sources despite the fact that you accept those same sources if they feed your delusions?

This is, of course, putting aside the scientific and legal requirements that you have the burden of proof. This might sound familiar to you as it has been explained to you like a million times.

So you don't have any credible evidence then, I take it?

3rd April 2012, 03:42 PM	#241
1337m4n Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,499	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Please prove that they were. Prove that 100% of their funding came from non-U.S./Israeli government sources. Please prove that you don't beat your wife. Prove that 100% of your time is spent not beating your wife.
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3rd April 2012, 08:06 PM	#244
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Please prove that they were. Prove that 100% of their funding came from non-U.S./Israeli government sources. http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...ts.html#burden http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...html#goalposts
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4th April 2012, 06:31 PM	#248
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Swing and miss! Neither accurately identifies my arguments. Try again. youhave no arguments, you have logical fallacies that i have pointed out to you, You don't even have a "pitch" to "swing" at.
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4th April 2012, 06:41 PM	#249
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,116	Originally Posted by dafydd Where do I apply to become a caveman? Why would you want that many wives? Isn't one more than enough?
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3rd April 2012, 03:43 PM	#242
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,798	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert It's funny watching government truthers operate. Ask them to prove why they believe what they believe, and when they can't, they start talking about the Matrix, Star Wars, and other movies. It's like, "believe what we believe right now or we'll invoke Hollywood! That will teach ya!" So the point of posts of that nature actually does fly right past you? You have asked questions concerning many subjects that amount to the same type of position outlined in those 'Matrix' and similar posts. Just because you wish it to be otherwise does not make it so. You asked "What good are scientists and engineers going to do you in if Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget? ", to which I responded with my question as to what would it matter if all of reality were a fallacy. The operative word in both questions is the word "if". Unless you have something compelling to note that would indicate that "Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget" then you have posited no more a moving question than mine. So far you have not come up with anything other than that you distrust the US gov't and consider it to be a criminal organization. Your personal unsubstantiated opinion counts for naught.

3rd April 2012, 03:45 PM	#243
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,798	Originally Posted by alienentity Until it is moved to this forum, take a look at my parallel thread which examines the important question 'Are 9/11 Truthers Tree-Dwelling Conspiracists?' The thread also states clearly the fact that such 9/11 Truthers are vocal apologists for the Al Qaeda terror network and Osama Bin Laden. Have fun! http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=233487 been there done that signed: Your friendly neighbourhood tree and igloo dwelling debunker

3rd April 2012, 08:35 PM	#245
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by A W Smith http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...ts.html#burden http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...html#goalposts Swing and miss! Neither accurately identifies my arguments. Try again.

3rd April 2012, 08:47 PM	#246
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,798	Originally Posted by jaydeehess So the point of posts of that nature actually does fly right past you? You have asked questions concerning many subjects that amount to the same type of position outlined in those 'Matrix' and similar posts. Just because you wish it to be otherwise does not make it so. You asked "What good are scientists and engineers going to do you in if Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget? ", to which I responded with my question as to what would it matter if all of reality were a fallacy. The operative word in both questions is the word "if". Unless you have something compelling to note that would indicate that "Al-Qaeda was covertly funded from a CIA black budget" then you have posited no more a moving question than mine. So far you have not come up with anything other than that you distrust the US gov't and consider it to be a criminal organization. Your personal unsubstantiated opinion counts for naught. What? no further comment?

5th April 2012, 03:12 AM	#250
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by Gos_man Why is it so hard to believe that the intelligence agencies tasked with stopping this pre 911 failed? These were many of the same agencies that failed miserably in relation to Iraq and WMD's and the attacks on the underground systems in London and Madrid post 911. Once you take into account that all of these super-sophisticate defense and intelligence agencies were answering to a pack of drooling morons in the executive branch, it amazing that they got anything done, actually.
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5th April 2012, 03:40 AM	#251
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Therefore, I feel justified in referring to Osama bin Laden as a "caveman mastermind". By definition, he was both a caveman and a mastermind. Dude, Moses spent forty years living in a tent that never seems to have spent more than a day or two in the same spot and he founded a major nation that kicked some ass all over the Levant. Mohammed, P.B.U.H., began a successful holy war against a number of rather hideous pagan cults while spending a great deal of his time in a cave, recieving the Qur'an from the angel Gabriel. ObL was a rich man who lived relatively simply, often in the field. Why anybody has a hard time how this would interfere with his aggenda to rule a good portion of the world is beyond me. Even Julius Caesar lived mostly in a tent during the time that he was subduing a big chunk of Europe. Add to this the fact that the formation that ObL led was organized mostly into small cells operating with some autonomy and his choice of living accomodations is a silly thing on which to obsess. Do learn something about the concept of asymetrical warfare.
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5th April 2012, 03:42 AM	#252
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by triforcharity Why would you want that many wives? Isn't one more than enough? I'm sure it is nice to usually have at least one who is not pregnant.
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5th April 2012, 03:51 AM	#253
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Do learn something about the concept of asymetrical warfare. I'd be happy if he just learned something about the concept of burden of proof.
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5th April 2012, 05:01 AM	#254
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by twinstead I'd be happy if he just learned something about the concept of burden of proof. Speaking of burden of proof, the burden of proof is on you to prove the real origins of Al-Qaeda's financing.

5th April 2012, 05:36 AM	#255
thedopefishlives Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 761	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Speaking of burden of proof, the burden of proof is on you to prove the real origins of Al-Qaeda's financing. Lesson clearly not learned.
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5th April 2012, 05:41 AM	#256
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,790	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Swing and miss! Neither accurately identifies my arguments.Try again. Neither does logic or available evidence, but carry on.

5th April 2012, 05:43 AM	#257
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,790	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Dude, Moses spent forty years living in a tent that never seems to have spent more than a day or two in the same spot and he founded a major nation that kicked some ass all over the Levant. Mohammed, P.B.U.H., began a successful holy war against a number of rather hideous pagan cults while spending a great deal of his time in a cave, recieving the Qur'an from the angel Gabriel. ObL was a rich man who lived relatively simply, often in the field. Why anybody has a hard time how this would interfere with his aggenda to rule a good portion of the world is beyond me. Even Julius Caesar lived mostly in a tent during the time that he was subduing a big chunk of Europe. Add to this the fact that the formation that ObL led was organized mostly into small cells operating with some autonomy and his choice of living accomodations is a silly thing on which to obsess. Do learn something about the concept of asymetrical warfare. Add Genghis Khan to the list too.

5th April 2012, 05:46 AM	#258
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,572	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Speaking of burden of proof, the burden of proof is on you to prove the real origins of Al-Qaeda's financing. The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. It's called the commonly-held narrative for a reason. You don't agree? Then come up with an alternate theory. Until then you're just blowing smoke.
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5th April 2012, 06:57 AM	#259
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,490	Originally Posted by twinstead The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. It's called the commonly-held narrative for a reason. You don't agree? Then come up with an alternate theory. Until then you're just blowing smoke. +1
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5th April 2012, 07:01 AM	#260
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	Originally Posted by BStrong Add Genghis Khan to the list too. GK was SERIOUSLY hard-core. Dude lived on a horse's back.
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5th April 2012, 11:15 AM	#261
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,798	Originally Posted by twinstead The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. It's called the commonly-held narrative for a reason. You don't agree? Then come up with an alternate theory. Until then you're just blowing smoke. if SHC had any compelling arguement to counter the widely accepted history of AQ one would expect it would have been posted in this forum

7th April 2012, 12:34 AM	#262
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by twinstead The commonly-held narrative of the event, and the evidence to support it--including financing--are in the public record for all to see and scrutinize. No, not really.

7th April 2012, 06:53 AM	#263
fess Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hiding in the sticks. Posts: 1,038	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert No, not really. Care to explain? Or will you leave this highly intelligent post as is?
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7th April 2012, 07:08 AM	#264
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,443	Do not feed the troll. The best thing to do with attention seekers is to ignore them, that really upsets them.
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7th April 2012, 11:34 AM	#265
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,798	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert No, not really. Yeah, it really is. Of course your reality may be at odds with a logical assesment of the world

7th April 2012, 11:43 AM	#266
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,689	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert referring to Osama bin Laden as a "caveman mastermind". Am I wrong to refer to Osama bin Laden this way? Not to my way of thinking, since, according to mainstream history, Osama bin Laden did spend time living or hiding in caves and he was the supposed 9/11 mastermind. Therefore, 'caveman mastermind' seems apt. Honestly don't care if you call him a caveman. The pertinent question is on what basis do you believe he lacked the logistical know how to orchestrate a large scale attack given his history or being able to do similar attacks like the USS Cole, or the 1998 United States embassy bombings? Does your derogatory reference to his being a "cavemen" suggest he could not have carried out these attacks logistically? If not, how do you define your criteria for his involvement in planning the 9/11 attacks? Will this be added among the many questions you don't address?
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7th April 2012, 12:12 PM	#267
ozeco41 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Moss Vale, NSW, Australia Posts: 3,655	Originally Posted by dafydd Do not feed the troll. The best thing to do with attention seekers is to ignore them, that really upsets them.

7th April 2012, 01:06 PM	#268
Grizzly Bear このマスクによっ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5,689	Sometimes people need a demonstration to remind them, say for example having someone pose a serious question and have it blown off. I have to admit though that doesn't necessarily make people stop either
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7th April 2012, 03:23 PM	#269
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,443	Originally Posted by Grizzly Bear Sometimes people need a demonstration to remind them, say for example having someone pose a serious question and have it blown off. I have to admit though that doesn't necessarily make people stop either Lurkers can learn a good deal too, so SHC is doing a good job, but not in the way he intends. Still, the attention will be good for his ego.
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7th April 2012, 03:33 PM	#270
ozeco41 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Moss Vale, NSW, Australia Posts: 3,655	Originally Posted by dafydd Lurkers can learn a good deal too, so SHC is doing a good job, but not in the way he intends. Still, the attention will be good for his ego. Sure. But as the number of genuine truthers seeking truth drops to zero the number of genuine lurkers must also be diminishing. Seriously how many people can possibly remain who are lurkers with genuine unanswered questions about 9/11? We (some of us) are only feeding the trolls out of boredom.

7th April 2012, 04:48 PM	#271
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,443	Originally Posted by ozeco41 Sure. But as the number of genuine truthers seeking truth drops to zero the number of genuine lurkers must also be diminishing. Seriously how many people can possibly remain who are lurkers with genuine unanswered questions about 9/11? We (some of us) are only feeding the trolls out of boredom. True, television is awful nowadays. Responding to obvious trolling inadequates does provide some amusement.
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7th April 2012, 07:24 PM	#272
BCR Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 2,239	Originally Posted by dafydd True, television is awful nowadays. Responding to obvious trolling inadequates does provide some amusement. Facebook is kinda quiet tonight
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7th April 2012, 08:14 PM	#273
Dog Town Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sunny blue sky, cold water. Posts: 4,461	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert No, not really.
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7th April 2012, 09:44 PM	#274
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by jaydeehess Yeah, it really is. Of course your reality may be at odds with a logical assesment of the world Whoever told you your assessment is logical? Some talking head on TV? Some whore masquerading around as a politician in brainWashington, DC? Logic isn't on your side here, sweetie. Gullibility, maybe, but not logic.

7th April 2012, 09:57 PM	#275
BCR Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Memphis Posts: 2,239	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Whoever told you your assessment is logical? Some talking head on TV? Some whore masquerading around as a politician in brainWashington, DC? Logic isn't on your side here, sweetie. Gullibility, maybe, but not logic. No SHC, he has data and facts on his side along with a reasoned and logical assessment of that data. I know, that is not something you would know anything about since you assert that OBL was a "caveman mastermind" in contradiction to logic and facts. Since I don't don't watch TV news or "talking heads" and consider all politicians to be self-serving liars who would not know logic from a "caveman" (sorta like you), yet I reach similar conclusions in regards to the people involved in 9/11 and it's financing based on primary evidence sources. But then again, I do research rather than wasting my time trolling internet forums and watching "talking heads" on television.
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