Would You Consider This Plausible?

Relax · 25th March 2012, 08:04 PM

What if I told you that..... 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder...

Does anyone have anything to add to this list?

It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

BravesFan · 25th March 2012, 08:09 PM

Who faked a landing on the moon to save face and faked the Holocaust so as to provide a homeland for the Zionist Billionaires who rule the world .

Relax · 25th March 2012, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by LogicFail

Who faked a landing on the moon to save face and faked the Holocaust so as to provide a homeland for the Zionist Billionaires who rule the world .

Which moon landing?

IIIClovisIII · 25th March 2012, 08:13 PM

I would tell you to Relax a bit.

It's certainly possible. It's not probable/plausible by any means.

What's also possible is the existence of a large, 7-foot mammal roaming around the temperate forests of North America. But ecological considerations make that argument extremely thin. There is also a certain social constraint that conspiracy theorists don't realize; everyone can't be out to get you and still hide it from the media/public/etc. There are too many holes today.

Regnad Kcin · 25th March 2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

Does anyone have anything to add to this list?

You forgot chemtrails, flouridation, and the Matrix!

Get with it, man! Train leaving on Track 29 for Annaheim, Azusa, and KOOK-a-munga!

BravesFan · 25th March 2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

You forgot chemtrails, flouridation, and the Matrix!

Crap! I'm so gonna have to turn in my tin foil hat at the next meeting.......

IIIClovisIII · 25th March 2012, 08:22 PM

For the sake of the OP, I'd like to add Al-CIAda to the list. I mean they were just CIA subordinates doing their job. Fits in nicely as a sub-category of the "9/11 Was An Inside Job" conspiracy theory.

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

What if I told you that..... 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder...

Does anyone have anything to add to this list?

It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

No, none of that is plausible. If any of that were true we would have heard about it on TV or in the government schools. The people on TV and in the government schools always tell the truth.

So, relax, eat another Pop Tart, drink some corn syrup, and watch your favorite TV show. Everything is fine. Your government loves you and wants you to be happy. Trust me. If they didn't, we would have heard about it on TV or something.

There's nothing to see here, people. Move along...

JohnG · 25th March 2012, 08:36 PM

So because "The Government" lies about some things any/all conspiracy theories are equally plausible?

Pssst, Neo, you know what else messes with your cognitive faculties besides pop tarts and corn syrup? Marijuana.

IIIClovisIII · 25th March 2012, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

No, none of that is plausible. If any of that were true we would have heard about it on TV or in the government schools. The people on TV and in the government schools always tell the truth.

So, relax, eat another Pop Tart, drink some corn syrup, and watch your favorite TV show. Everything is fine. Your government loves you and wants you to be happy. Trust me. If they didn't, we would have heard about it on TV or something.

What's your obsession with "government" or "The Government".

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

There's nothing to see here, people. Move along...

Nothing you will ever be able to see anyway.

SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 08:43 PM

Ha, ha, ha...

I love it when people talk about "cognitive faculties" right after they commit the most basic of logical fallacies!

You can't make this stuff up!

JohnG · 25th March 2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Ha, ha, ha...

I love it when people talk about "cognitive faculties" right after they commit the most basic of logical fallacies!

You can't make this stuff up!

Oh, I don't know, Conspiracy Theorists make stuff up all the time.

I didn't commit a logical fallacy in that post. I was trying to get you to expand on your last post to see whether or not you were committing a strawman logical fallacy. Not quite the same thing.

Greedo · 25th March 2012, 08:46 PM

No Illuminati? Boooring.

Redtail · 25th March 2012, 08:54 PM

Why would Abraham Lincoln help the US government kill MLK or Pat Tillman?

Relax · 25th March 2012, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

No, none of that is plausible. If any of that were true we would have heard about it on TV or in the government schools. The people on TV and in the government schools always tell the truth.

So, relax, eat another Pop Tart, drink some corn syrup, and watch your favorite TV show. Everything is fine. Your government loves you and wants you to be happy. Trust me. If they didn't, we would have heard about it on TV or something.

There's nothing to see here, people. Move along...

I'm just going to leave you with George Carlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Originally Posted by Redtail

Why would Abraham Lincoln help the US government kill MLK or Pat Tillman?

I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one.

Redtail · 25th March 2012, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one.

Well, Booth was still clinging to the Confederacy.

SezMe · 25th March 2012, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

I've considered it. I assess the plausibility to be exactly the same as that Feynman will appear on the Jay Leno show tomorrow night and declare that the TimeCube is scientifically sound.

Cl1mh4224rd · 25th March 2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

[...] all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

No.

BStrong · 25th March 2012, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

What if I told you that..... 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder...

Does anyone have anything to add to this list?

It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

No.

Government and corporate structures can't cover up their own sop ****-ups well enough to make me believe they could succesfully pull off the incidents you reference.

Watergate was blown by tape on a door lock - case closed.

BravesFan · 25th March 2012, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

I'm just going to leave you with George Carlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one.

I thought you were making fun of CT'ers! You weren't? You believe all that crap? ........................ No, don't get up! I'll just see myself out....

Redtail · 25th March 2012, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by BStrong

No.

Government and corporate structures can't cover up their own sop ****-ups well enough to make me believe they could succesfully pull off the incidents you reference.

Watergate was blown by tape on a door lock - case closed.

Before there was YouTube no less.

Relax · 25th March 2012, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by LogicFail

I thought you were making fun of CT'ers! You weren't? You believe all that crap? ........................ No, don't get up! I'll just see myself out....

Well maybe not the Abraham Lincoln one, like I said I still haven't researched into that one well enough. I understand that booths was supposedly still clinging to the confederate cause... which may be plausible and reasonable. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should believe it out of hand, nor does it mean we should discount the other possibilities. I mean booths was connected to the Vice President of the Union, of that I'm sure. But I still don't know if that connection meant something or if it did, what others were involved and for what reason was Lincoln assassinated?

And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you?

And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything...

IIIClovisIII · 25th March 2012, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you?

And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything...

And all the other incidences would be much harder to cover up than Watergate was.

I will grant you though, that there are different degrees of probability for each conspiracy belief, the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories are pretty low on that scale in this day and age. And Holocaust Denial is pure self-delusion from spending too much time in conspiracy land.

Please do educate yourself more thoroughly and evenly before it's too late.

IIIClovisIII · 25th March 2012, 10:05 PM

Chill out man.

No need to be overly pessimistic.

BravesFan · 25th March 2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

Well maybe not the Abraham Lincoln one, like I said I still haven't researched into that one well enough. I understand that booths was supposedly still clinging to the confederate cause... which may be plausible and reasonable. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should believe it out of hand, nor does it mean we should discount the other possibilities. I mean booths was connected to the Vice President of the Union, of that I'm sure. But I still don't know if that connection meant something or if it did, what others were involved and for what reason was Lincoln assassinated?

And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you?

And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything...

the govt sugar and candy? Nope i don't find them nearly that appealing, nor competent.

The biggest thing in the entire world that destroys these CT's is that the Govt isn't like 5 people in a room. It's thousands upon thousands of people. They are lousy at keeping secrets. (see Clinton's fiasco's) they take pictures of things they shouldn't (abu grhaib anyone?). They talk endlessly about what they are doing in their various dept's with each other. AND there are so many redundant levels of oversight and journalistic shoulder looking that to even pull off something as simple as a secret drug house raid is damn near a miracle.

The media isn't protecting anyone. There are so many examples of this (see the above, and watergate and Iran Contra...etc) they don't care who is in office. They love nothing more than scooping the big story and advancing their personal careers!!!! They would nail Obama to the wall if they found as much as casual slur .

Not to mention, that if there was some secret Govt conspiracies afoot, for them all to have worked and remained under wraps, EVERY SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE REMAINED HAPPY!!! You can't even run a 5 man office without cliques, bad feeling, politics and under handedness going on!!!! yet we are supposed to believe that of the thousands of peopl required to have been involved in ALL of these CT's , none of them ever got mad? None of them ever wrote an expose'? None of them ever wanted to make a power play from within and sold out another member? Poppycock.....

Think of all the underhanded stuff the CIA did in Vietnam! Didn't take long for reporters to dig that stuff up eh? Nor for the actual people involved to write their own books about it!!!! PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CASHED IN ON THIS STUFF BIG TIME!! But they haven't. Every person vetted by the public who has made grandiose claims has been exposed as a big rotten fibber.

The final reason these theories are stupid. THE WORLD ISN'T THIS ORGANIZED!!!! There's this concept that these cabals are highly organized and meet to decide the fate of the world discarding all those around them. There aren't. This idea that there is someone at the controls guiding us into some future unholy or no, isn't true. The truth is, we are rudderless. We are drifting alone , with only our own guile, wits and skills to keep us afloat.

In a way, that's much more frightening (yet comforting) than any silly CT.

Relax · 25th March 2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by LogicFail

In a way, that's much more frightening (yet comforting) than any silly CT.

I don't know about the frightening part, but I would certainly find it much more comforting knowing the government wasn't mass murdering people.

JohnG · 25th March 2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

Well maybe not the Abraham Lincoln one, like I said I still haven't researched into that one well enough. I understand that booths was supposedly still clinging to the confederate cause... which may be plausible and reasonable. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should believe it out of hand, nor does it mean we should discount the other possibilities. I mean booths was connected to the Vice President of the Union, of that I'm sure. But I still don't know if that connection meant something or if it did, what others were involved and for what reason was Lincoln assassinated?

And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you?

And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything...

Roughly speaking how much more research into "the Lincoln one" do you estimate you'll require before you uncover the bombshell that "booths" real name was actually Booth?

Deliver us from the cult of the amateur!

BravesFan · 25th March 2012, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

I don't know about the frightening part, but I would certainly find it much more comforting knowing the government wasn't mass murdering people.

and this is why you fail......

JohnG · 25th March 2012, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by LogicFail

The final reason these theories are stupid. THE WORLD ISN'T THIS ORGANIZED!!!! There's this concept that these cabals are highly organized and meet to decide the fate of the world discarding all those around them. There aren't. This idea that there is someone at the controls guiding us into some future unholy or no, isn't true. The truth is, we are rudderless. We are drifting alone , with only our own guile, wits and skills to keep us afloat.

In a way, that's much more frightening (yet comforting) than any silly CT.

"Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless."

Alan Moore (creator of "V For Vendetta")

Relax · 25th March 2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by JohnG

"Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless."

Alan Moore (creator of "V For Vendetta")

Control is just a human concept, once we realize no one is in control we lose our illusions. Instinct

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SpringHallConvert · 25th March 2012, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by JohnG

"Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless."

Alan Moore (creator of "V For Vendetta")

Yeah, the world is chaotic and rudderless. This guy knows. He's an artist after all.

This is a pretty stupid quote on multiple levels. If nobody is in control, that would mean there are no hierarchies or power structures in place, and hence, total anarchy. Now, would any rational person honestly look around the modern world and claim that we have anything even remotely close to anarchy? Of course not.

Alan Moore, you are an idiot.

theprestige · 25th March 2012, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII

I would tell you to Relax a bit.

It's certainly possible. It's not probable/plausible by any means.

Yeah, no. It's not "certainly" possible. It's probably not possible at all.

JohnG · 25th March 2012, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Relax

Control is just a human concept, once we realize no one is in control we lose our illusions. Instinct

Including the illusions that "9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder"?

After all the idea that "The Government" was able to pull off all these nefarious deeds and kept their involvement hidden for months/years/decades/centuries implies a level of "control" that borders on the supernatural and is therefore implausible. QED.

Thank heavens that's settled! I was afraid this would turn into one of those interminably idiotic threads that drag on and on before inevitably being moved off to AAH.

This calls for a celebration! Who wants pop tarts and corn syrup?

P.S. Relax; don't worry about SHC. There are plenty of other threads he can amuse himself in.

BravesFan · 26th March 2012, 12:00 AM

Ya know, I never got the Pat Tillman CT..... It makes zero sense that the Govt would conspire to kill someone who would have come home the poster child of the military and the entire ordeal itself. You don't shoot the prom queen the night before the big dance!!!

JohnG · 26th March 2012, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Yeah, the world is chaotic and rudderless. This guy knows. He's an artist after all.

This is a pretty stupid quote on multiple levels. If nobody is in control, that would mean there are no hierarchies or power structures in place, and hence, total anarchy. Now, would any rational person honestly look around the modern world and claim that we have anything even remotely close to anarchy? Of course not.

Alan Moore, you are an idiot.

Oh well, it was a beautiful dream for those few minutes.

CTists will throw anyone under the bus if they go off-script from the party line, even when that someone has a committed long term "fight the power" street cred such as Moore. If you had bothered to spend more time thinking about the quote than it took to read and if you knew anything about Moore and his work, his ethics and his politics, you'd wouldn't have written what you wrote.

There is control and then there is CONTROL. Of course there is control the US Government can exert to raise or lower taxes, or even to start or end a war, but even that level of control can't stop a President from being assassinated or stop thousands of innocent people from being murdered in a terrorist attack by a suitably motivated individual or group. CTists ascribe a near omnipotent level control to the government and that is the sort of banally comforting idea that Moore is commenting on.

BTW, my brave anonymous internet warrior, I sincerely doubt that Mr. Moore reads this forum, so if you want to call him an idiot, grow a pair and contact him directly.

The Dark Lord · 26th March 2012, 12:21 AM

No.

BravesFan · 26th March 2012, 12:28 AM

Oh goodness, it looks like someone's crossed over into mindless ranting.....

It's exactly like a belief in the supernatural!!! CT "BELIEF" follows a similar path as religion does. (or most any other woo) . It lacks credible evidence to support it, is riddled with man made fantasies proclaiming to have "the truth!!!" Laden with paranoia and stricken with feelings of persecution.

So, sorry to tell ya buddy, but you went from a frying pan full of Jesus to another one full of hot buttery woo!

The Dark Lord · 26th March 2012, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Relax

You know what does have evidence? These conspiracy theories,

False.

Relax · 26th March 2012, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by LogicFail

Oh goodness, it looks like someone's crossed over into mindless ranting.....

It's exactly like a belief in the supernatural!!! CT "BELIEF" follows a similar path as religion does. (or most any other woo) . It lacks credible evidence to support it, is riddled with man made fantasies proclaiming to have "the truth!!!" Laden with paranoia and stricken with feelings of persecution.

So, sorry to tell ya buddy, but you went from a frying pan full of Jesus to another one full of hot buttery woo!

You know the stories that are consistent are often the ones that are true right? Evolution was and is consistent, religion was not. Are there conspiracy theories that aren't consistent out there? You're damn right there are. Often they mix in with conspiracies that ARE consistent, so maybe it's just me but it's probably you. You should be finding the consistent ones. Looking at both sides of the argument and not just the one that you're already predisposed to believing, because where you do get your information from... it matters a lot. You don't think people would lie to you?

You know what's like believing something that's supernatural? Believing in it since birth, that's your government.

Relax · 26th March 2012, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

False.

Okay maybe not for the assassination of RFK but that's because most of that evidence was destroyed. However we still have his autopsy report, he was shot from the rear, not the front... the front was where the gunman was. You can make up all the excuses you want, whoever shot him was standing behind him.

25th March 2012, 08:04 PM	#1
Relax Thinker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: U.S. Posts: 173	Would You Consider This Plausible? What if I told you that..... 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder... Does anyone have anything to add to this list? It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

25th March 2012, 08:13 PM	#4
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	I would tell you to Relax a bit. It's certainly possible. It's not probable/plausible by any means. What's also possible is the existence of a large, 7-foot mammal roaming around the temperate forests of North America. But ecological considerations make that argument extremely thin. There is also a certain social constraint that conspiracy theorists don't realize; everyone can't be out to get you and still hide it from the media/public/etc. There are too many holes today.
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Regnad Kcin Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 6,214	Originally Posted by Relax Does anyone have anything to add to this list? You forgot chemtrails, flouridation, and the Matrix! Get with it, man! Train leaving on Track 29 for Annaheim, Azusa, and KOOK-a-munga!
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25th March 2012, 08:36 PM	#9
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,398	So because "The Government" lies about some things any/all conspiracy theories are equally plausible? Pssst, Neo, you know what else messes with your cognitive faculties besides pop tarts and corn syrup? Marijuana.
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25th March 2012, 08:41 PM	#10
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert No, none of that is plausible. If any of that were true we would have heard about it on TV or in the government schools. The people on TV and in the government schools always tell the truth. So, relax, eat another Pop Tart, drink some corn syrup, and watch your favorite TV show. Everything is fine. Your government loves you and wants you to be happy. Trust me. If they didn't, we would have heard about it on TV or something. What's your obsession with "government" or "The Government". Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert There's nothing to see here, people. Move along... Nothing you will ever be able to see anyway.
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25th March 2012, 08:09 PM	#2
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Who faked a landing on the moon to save face and faked the Holocaust so as to provide a homeland for the Zionist Billionaires who rule the world .

25th March 2012, 08:11 PM	#3
Relax Thinker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: U.S. Posts: 173	Originally Posted by LogicFail Who faked a landing on the moon to save face and faked the Holocaust so as to provide a homeland for the Zionist Billionaires who rule the world . Which moon landing?

25th March 2012, 08:20 PM	#6
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin You forgot chemtrails, flouridation, and the Matrix! Crap! I'm so gonna have to turn in my tin foil hat at the next meeting.......

25th March 2012, 08:22 PM	#7
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	For the sake of the OP, I'd like to add Al-CIAda to the list. I mean they were just CIA subordinates doing their job. Fits in nicely as a sub-category of the "9/11 Was An Inside Job" conspiracy theory.

25th March 2012, 08:27 PM	#8
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Relax What if I told you that..... 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder... Does anyone have anything to add to this list? It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible? No, none of that is plausible. If any of that were true we would have heard about it on TV or in the government schools. The people on TV and in the government schools always tell the truth. So, relax, eat another Pop Tart, drink some corn syrup, and watch your favorite TV show. Everything is fine. Your government loves you and wants you to be happy. Trust me. If they didn't, we would have heard about it on TV or something. There's nothing to see here, people. Move along...

25th March 2012, 08:43 PM	#11
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Ha, ha, ha... I love it when people talk about "cognitive faculties" right after they commit the most basic of logical fallacies! You can't make this stuff up!

25th March 2012, 08:46 PM	#12
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,398	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Ha, ha, ha... I love it when people talk about "cognitive faculties" right after they commit the most basic of logical fallacies! You can't make this stuff up! Oh, I don't know, Conspiracy Theorists make stuff up all the time. I didn't commit a logical fallacy in that post. I was trying to get you to expand on your last post to see whether or not you were committing a strawman logical fallacy. Not quite the same thing.
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25th March 2012, 08:46 PM	#13
Greedo Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,571	No Illuminati? Boooring.
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25th March 2012, 08:54 PM	#14
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Why would Abraham Lincoln help the US government kill MLK or Pat Tillman?
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25th March 2012, 08:59 PM	#15
Relax Thinker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: U.S. Posts: 173	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert No, none of that is plausible. If any of that were true we would have heard about it on TV or in the government schools. The people on TV and in the government schools always tell the truth. So, relax, eat another Pop Tart, drink some corn syrup, and watch your favorite TV show. Everything is fine. Your government loves you and wants you to be happy. Trust me. If they didn't, we would have heard about it on TV or something. There's nothing to see here, people. Move along... I'm just going to leave you with George Carlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI Originally Posted by Redtail Why would Abraham Lincoln help the US government kill MLK or Pat Tillman? I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one.
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25th March 2012, 09:07 PM	#16
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by Relax I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one. Well, Booth was still clinging to the Confederacy.
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25th March 2012, 09:16 PM	#17
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by Relax It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible? I've considered it. I assess the plausibility to be exactly the same as that Feynman will appear on the Jay Leno show tomorrow night and declare that the TimeCube is scientifically sound.

25th March 2012, 09:18 PM	#18
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by Relax [...] all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible? No.

25th March 2012, 09:23 PM	#19
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,808	Originally Posted by Relax What if I told you that..... 9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder... Does anyone have anything to add to this list? It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible? No. Government and corporate structures can't cover up their own sop ****-ups well enough to make me believe they could succesfully pull off the incidents you reference. Watergate was blown by tape on a door lock - case closed.

25th March 2012, 09:38 PM	#20
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Originally Posted by Relax I'm just going to leave you with George Carlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one. I thought you were making fun of CT'ers! You weren't? You believe all that crap? ........................ No, don't get up! I'll just see myself out....

25th March 2012, 09:39 PM	#21
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by BStrong No. Government and corporate structures can't cover up their own sop ****-ups well enough to make me believe they could succesfully pull off the incidents you reference. Watergate was blown by tape on a door lock - case closed. Before there was YouTube no less.
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25th March 2012, 09:50 PM	#22
Relax Thinker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: U.S. Posts: 173	Originally Posted by LogicFail I thought you were making fun of CT'ers! You weren't? You believe all that crap? ........................ No, don't get up! I'll just see myself out.... Well maybe not the Abraham Lincoln one, like I said I still haven't researched into that one well enough. I understand that booths was supposedly still clinging to the confederate cause... which may be plausible and reasonable. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should believe it out of hand, nor does it mean we should discount the other possibilities. I mean booths was connected to the Vice President of the Union, of that I'm sure. But I still don't know if that connection meant something or if it did, what others were involved and for what reason was Lincoln assassinated? And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you? And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything...

25th March 2012, 10:03 PM	#23
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	Originally Posted by Relax And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you? And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything... And all the other incidences would be much harder to cover up than Watergate was. I will grant you though, that there are different degrees of probability for each conspiracy belief, the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories are pretty low on that scale in this day and age. And Holocaust Denial is pure self-delusion from spending too much time in conspiracy land. Please do educate yourself more thoroughly and evenly before it's too late.

25th March 2012, 10:05 PM	#24
IIIClovisIII Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 332	Chill out man. No need to be overly pessimistic.

25th March 2012, 10:09 PM	#25
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Originally Posted by Relax Well maybe not the Abraham Lincoln one, like I said I still haven't researched into that one well enough. I understand that booths was supposedly still clinging to the confederate cause... which may be plausible and reasonable. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should believe it out of hand, nor does it mean we should discount the other possibilities. I mean booths was connected to the Vice President of the Union, of that I'm sure. But I still don't know if that connection meant something or if it did, what others were involved and for what reason was Lincoln assassinated? And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you? And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything... the govt sugar and candy? Nope i don't find them nearly that appealing, nor competent. The biggest thing in the entire world that destroys these CT's is that the Govt isn't like 5 people in a room. It's thousands upon thousands of people. They are lousy at keeping secrets. (see Clinton's fiasco's) they take pictures of things they shouldn't (abu grhaib anyone?). They talk endlessly about what they are doing in their various dept's with each other. AND there are so many redundant levels of oversight and journalistic shoulder looking that to even pull off something as simple as a secret drug house raid is damn near a miracle. The media isn't protecting anyone. There are so many examples of this (see the above, and watergate and Iran Contra...etc) they don't care who is in office. They love nothing more than scooping the big story and advancing their personal careers!!!! They would nail Obama to the wall if they found as much as casual slur . Not to mention, that if there was some secret Govt conspiracies afoot, for them all to have worked and remained under wraps, EVERY SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE REMAINED HAPPY!!! You can't even run a 5 man office without cliques, bad feeling, politics and under handedness going on!!!! yet we are supposed to believe that of the thousands of peopl required to have been involved in ALL of these CT's , none of them ever got mad? None of them ever wrote an expose'? None of them ever wanted to make a power play from within and sold out another member? Poppycock..... Think of all the underhanded stuff the CIA did in Vietnam! Didn't take long for reporters to dig that stuff up eh? Nor for the actual people involved to write their own books about it!!!! PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CASHED IN ON THIS STUFF BIG TIME!! But they haven't. Every person vetted by the public who has made grandiose claims has been exposed as a big rotten fibber. The final reason these theories are stupid. THE WORLD ISN'T THIS ORGANIZED!!!! There's this concept that these cabals are highly organized and meet to decide the fate of the world discarding all those around them. There aren't. This idea that there is someone at the controls guiding us into some future unholy or no, isn't true. The truth is, we are rudderless. We are drifting alone , with only our own guile, wits and skills to keep us afloat. In a way, that's much more frightening (yet comforting) than any silly CT.

25th March 2012, 10:37 PM	#26
Relax Thinker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: U.S. Posts: 173	Originally Posted by LogicFail In a way, that's much more frightening (yet comforting) than any silly CT. I don't know about the frightening part, but I would certainly find it much more comforting knowing the government wasn't mass murdering people.

25th March 2012, 10:41 PM	#27
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,398	Originally Posted by Relax Well maybe not the Abraham Lincoln one, like I said I still haven't researched into that one well enough. I understand that booths was supposedly still clinging to the confederate cause... which may be plausible and reasonable. But that doesn't necessarily mean we should believe it out of hand, nor does it mean we should discount the other possibilities. I mean booths was connected to the Vice President of the Union, of that I'm sure. But I still don't know if that connection meant something or if it did, what others were involved and for what reason was Lincoln assassinated? And yes Logic, I do believe in all of it (except maybe not the Lincoln one) living in this reality is hard, but seeing others oblivious to it is harder. Surely you don't think the government is just sugar and candy do you? And the watergate scandal really isn't that big of a deal when you take into consideration everything else here... I mean it's not like politicians stab each other in the back or anything... Roughly speaking how much more research into "the Lincoln one" do you estimate you'll require before you uncover the bombshell that "booths" real name was actually Booth? Deliver us from the cult of the amateur!
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25th March 2012, 10:44 PM	#28
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Originally Posted by Relax I don't know about the frightening part, but I would certainly find it much more comforting knowing the government wasn't mass murdering people. and this is why you fail......

25th March 2012, 10:46 PM	#29
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,398	Originally Posted by LogicFail The final reason these theories are stupid. THE WORLD ISN'T THIS ORGANIZED!!!! There's this concept that these cabals are highly organized and meet to decide the fate of the world discarding all those around them. There aren't. This idea that there is someone at the controls guiding us into some future unholy or no, isn't true. The truth is, we are rudderless. We are drifting alone , with only our own guile, wits and skills to keep us afloat. In a way, that's much more frightening (yet comforting) than any silly CT. "Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless." Alan Moore (creator of "V For Vendetta")
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25th March 2012, 11:39 PM	#31
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by JohnG "Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless." Alan Moore (creator of "V For Vendetta") Yeah, the world is chaotic and rudderless. This guy knows. He's an artist after all. This is a pretty stupid quote on multiple levels. If nobody is in control, that would mean there are no hierarchies or power structures in place, and hence, total anarchy. Now, would any rational person honestly look around the modern world and claim that we have anything even remotely close to anarchy? Of course not. Alan Moore, you are an idiot.

25th March 2012, 11:46 PM	#32
theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,583	Originally Posted by IIIClovisIII I would tell you to Relax a bit. It's certainly possible. It's not probable/plausible by any means. Yeah, no. It's not "certainly" possible. It's probably not possible at all.
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25th March 2012, 11:50 PM	#33
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,398	Originally Posted by Relax Control is just a human concept, once we realize no one is in control we lose our illusions. Instinct Including the illusions that "9/11 was an inside job, the holocaust never happened, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Pat Tillman, Bill Cooper, and Chip Tatum were all murdered by the government (and possibly Abraham Lincoln) and that the U.S. and the EU currently house the biggest terrorist organization in the world, mainly they are the largest terrorist organization in the world in which the Major Banking Corporations control the government which gives them access to the CIA who do the dirtiest deeds on earth from black mail to assassination to mass murder"? After all the idea that "The Government" was able to pull off all these nefarious deeds and kept their involvement hidden for months/years/decades/centuries implies a level of "control" that borders on the supernatural and is therefore implausible. QED. Thank heavens that's settled! I was afraid this would turn into one of those interminably idiotic threads that drag on and on before inevitably being moved off to AAH. This calls for a celebration! Who wants pop tarts and corn syrup? P.S. Relax; don't worry about SHC. There are plenty of other threads he can amuse himself in.
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26th March 2012, 12:00 AM	#34
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Ya know, I never got the Pat Tillman CT..... It makes zero sense that the Govt would conspire to kill someone who would have come home the poster child of the military and the entire ordeal itself. You don't shoot the prom queen the night before the big dance!!!

26th March 2012, 12:16 AM	#35
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,398	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Yeah, the world is chaotic and rudderless. This guy knows. He's an artist after all. This is a pretty stupid quote on multiple levels. If nobody is in control, that would mean there are no hierarchies or power structures in place, and hence, total anarchy. Now, would any rational person honestly look around the modern world and claim that we have anything even remotely close to anarchy? Of course not. Alan Moore, you are an idiot. Oh well, it was a beautiful dream for those few minutes. CTists will throw anyone under the bus if they go off-script from the party line, even when that someone has a committed long term "fight the power" street cred such as Moore. If you had bothered to spend more time thinking about the quote than it took to read and if you knew anything about Moore and his work, his ethics and his politics, you'd wouldn't have written what you wrote. There is control and then there is CONTROL. Of course there is control the US Government can exert to raise or lower taxes, or even to start or end a war, but even that level of control can't stop a President from being assassinated or stop thousands of innocent people from being murdered in a terrorist attack by a suitably motivated individual or group. CTists ascribe a near omnipotent level control to the government and that is the sort of banally comforting idea that Moore is commenting on. BTW, my brave anonymous internet warrior, I sincerely doubt that Mr. Moore reads this forum, so if you want to call him an idiot, grow a pair and contact him directly.
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26th March 2012, 12:21 AM	#36
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