Would You Consider This Plausible?

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

Okay maybe not for the assassination of RFK but that's because most of that evidence was destroyed. However we still have his autopsy report, he was shot from the rear, not the front... the front was where the gunman was. You can make up all the excuses you want, whoever shot him was standing behind him.

I don't really know anything about RFK's assassination but considering that you believe lies about 9/11 and JFK, which I do know about, I am just going to assume that you're wrong.

[BravesFan]

Originally Posted by Relax

You know the stories that are consistent are often the ones that are true right? Evolution was and is consistent, religion was not. Are there conspiracy theories that aren't consistent out there? You're damn right there are. Often they mix in with conspiracies that ARE consistent, so maybe it's just me but it's probably you. You should be finding the consistent ones. Looking at both sides of the argument and not just the one that you're already predisposed to believing, because where you do get your information from... it matters a lot. You don't think people would lie to you?

You know what's like believing something that's supernatural? Believing in it since birth, that's your government.

I'm not even going to try and list all of the logical fallacies committed in your above "here's the truth about the Govt MAN!" pot riddled rant here, but ....well, it's quite a few.

Hell, it's an argumentfromignorancestrawmanfromauthoritywhoadhom inemsthequestion

[Relax]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

I don't really know anything about RFK's assassination but considering that you believe lies about 9/11 and JFK, which I do know about, I am just going to assume that you're wrong.

Creationists do the exact same thing with Evolution you know? You could present them all the evidence in the world... it's not an amount of evidence that keeps you. It's a psychological barrier.

[SpringHallConvert]

Originally Posted by JohnG

CTists ascribe a near omnipotent level control to the government and that is the sort of banally comforting idea that Moore is commenting on.

This makes even less sense. If the U.S. government has a near-omnipotent level of control, and the U.S. government engages in all sorts of ruthless skullduggery, corruption, and murder, then what on earth would be comforting about that? That would mean we have virtually no control, while the government has virtually all the control. Again, what's comforting about a bunch of criminal, mass murderers having full control over your life?

The answer is, "nothing". There's nothing comforting about the government having that much control, which is why his quote is idiotic in the extreme.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

Creationists do the exact same thing with Evolution you know? You could present them all the evidence in the world... it's not an amount of evidence that keeps you. It's a psychological barrier.

You saying something isn't evidence. And I have good reason to dismiss out of hand what you say because you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist who believes in all sorts of false things.

[The Dark Lord]

It is a pretty pathetic strawman that not believing in every whacked out conspiracy theory there is means that you believe the government is omnibenevolent or whatever.

[JohnG]

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

This makes even less sense. If the U.S. government has a near-omnipotent level of control, and the U.S. government engages in all sorts of ruthless skullduggery, corruption, and murder, then what on earth would be comforting about that? That would mean we have virtually no control, while the government has virtually all the control. Again, what's comforting about a bunch of criminal, mass murderers having full control over your life?

The answer is, "nothing". There's nothing comforting about the government having that much control, which is why his quote is idiotic in the extreme.

For some people the idea of an unfair, even cruel entity that is nevertheless omniscient and omnipotent IS far more comforting than the idea that there is no entity at all. Some people call this entity "God", others call it "The Government", but to their minds it is ultimately the same idea.

You don't believe there are people who sometimes have a problem with their God's laws who would nevertheless be terrified at the prospect of an existence without God? Really?

You don't believe that there have been populations freed from the yoke of a tyrant who were nevertheless terrified at the prospect of the anarchy which would follow in the power vacuum created by the absence of the tyrant?

Now, you don't (or at least claim not to), believe this for yourself, but is it really so difficult to believe that there are people, lots of people...some of them even self-described "Conspiracy Theorists" who do?

[Relax]

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Whoa. Why are you so hostile to our government? Our government is filled with the most wholesome, upstanding people! MK-ULTRA, COINTELPRO, Project SHAD, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Iran-Contra, the interment of Japanese-American citizens during WW2... this was all done for your own benefit!

Your government loves you! Trust me! Obama would never lie to us. You just need more Hoax and Chains, er, Hope and Change in your life!

No **** MK-ULTRA was actually real? My my that's some real interesting stuff you have there Spring, even things I didn't know about. I'm glad it's declassified now though, because that means it's no longer a conspiracy... and yet we still have dumb people running around saying we're wrong? and how could the government hide such things? Unbelievable. These are perfect examples of just how the government can hide things from it's supremely ignorant citizens.

[SpringHallConvert]

Originally Posted by JohnG

For some people the idea of an unfair, even cruel entity that is nevertheless omniscient and omnipotent IS far more comforting than the idea that there is no entity at all. Some people call this entity "God", others call it "The Government", but to their minds it is ultimately the same idea.

I can't recall, in my lifetime, having a conversation that yielded such a response as you describe. While some people do worship the State and government like they would a God, they tend to see them in totally different ways. After all, the State is just there, in the flesh, while God is more spiritual. One represents punishment and reward in the current life, while the other represents punishment and reward in the the afterlife.

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You don't believe there are people who sometimes have a problem with their God's laws who would nevertheless be terrified at the prospect of an existence without God? Really?

Well, there are around seven billion people on the planet now, so I am sure there are some who believe what you claim, but again, I can't recall ever meeting any of them and having them express this view to me.

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You don't believe that there have been populations freed from the yoke of a tyrant who were nevertheless terrified at the prospect of the anarchy which would follow in the power vacuum created by the absence of the tyrant?

Terrified? No. Caution? Apprehension? Curiosity? Yes.

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Now, you don't (or at least claim not to), believe this for yourself, but is it really so difficult to believe that there are people, lots of people...some of them even self-described "Conspiracy Theorists" who do?

Maybe some, but in general, no. People generally would prefer 'no government', and all that entails, to a massively powerful, wicked, evil, and oppressive government any day of the week, if given the choice. The first represents an unknown quantity, while the second represents nothing less than misery.

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Relax

It's not a comfortable reality to live in let me tell you, and all I'm asking you is do you consider it plausible?

NO.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

No **** MK-ULTRA was actually real? My my that's some real interesting stuff you have there Spring, even things I didn't know about. I'm glad it's declassified now though, because that means it's no longer a conspiracy... and yet we still have dumb people running around saying we're wrong? and how could the government hide such things? Unbelievable. These are perfect examples of just how the government can hide things from it's supremely ignorant citizens.

Who said MKULTRA wasn't real? Nobody every said that the government doesn't do some bad things. I do find it hilarious that it somehow confirms your belief in the government's ability to keep massive secrets forever seeing as how it came out despite the CIA's efforts to keep it secret.

[SpringHallConvert]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Who said MKULTRA wasn't real? Nobody every said that the government doesn't do some bad things. I do find it hilarious that it somehow confirms your belief in the government's ability to keep massive secrets forever seeing as how it came out despite the CIA's efforts to keep it secret.

The whole, "the government can keep secrets FOREVER" is a straw man. Nobody has argued that.

What is being argued is, the government does have some ability to keep some secrets - even fairly large secrets involving subject matter of a criminal or treasonous nature - for periods that range into the decades.

Now, why is this important? Because it disproves the idea that the government is incapable of keeping secrets, which is one of the reasons why government truthers claim the government couldn't possibly have been complicit in the 9/11 attacks, for instance.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

The whole, "the government can keep secrets FOREVER" is a straw man. Nobody has argued that.

What is being argued is, the government does have some ability to keep some secrets - even fairly large secrets involving subject matter of a criminal or treasonous nature - for periods that range into the decades.

Now, why is this important? Because it disproves the idea that the government is incapable of keeping secrets, which is one of the reasons why government truthers claim the government couldn't possibly have been complicit in the 9/11 attacks, for instance.

So I guess we'll be seeing the NY Times running a story about how 9/11 was an inside job and Congress subsequently investigating it, yes? Say within the next decade? I mean, MKULTRA started in the 50s and was made public in the 70s.

[Relax]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Who said MKULTRA wasn't real? Nobody every said that the government doesn't do some bad things. I do find it hilarious that it somehow confirms your belief in the government's ability to keep massive secrets forever seeing as how it came out despite the CIA's efforts to keep it secret.

All I'm saying is that before the government ADMITTED to doing these things you would have been saying the exact same things about those old conspiracy theories as you do about the ones still around. Kind of pathetic if you ask me.

[Nowhere Man]

Originally Posted by Relax

I was saying the government might possibly have murdered Abraham Lincoln as well, I don't know about that yet, seems plausible... but I just haven't researched into that one.

What about James Garfield (d. 1881) and William McKinley (d. 1901)? Were they assassinated as part of a government plot too? No one ever remembers them.

And what about the attempts on Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush? Were those assassinations foiled by parts of the government working against other parts? There were attempts on Lincoln and Kennedy as well.

And all the presidents who died in office without being assassinated? Probably they were murdered as well, but the conspiracy was able to make them look like "natural causes." Uh-huh, very suspicious.

Do I consider any of this, or yours, plausible? Heck, no.

You're late out of the gate with the pan-conspiracy idea. Find and read Illuminatus! by Shea and Wilson. It'll give you much grist for your mill.

Fred

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

All I'm saying is that before the government ADMITTED to doing these things you would have been saying the exact same things about those old conspiracy theories as you do about the ones still around. Kind of pathetic if you ask me.

All I am saying is that it came out even though the director of the CIA ordered all the evidence to be destroyed.

[SpringHallConvert]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

So I guess we'll be seeing the NY Times running a story about how 9/11 was an inside job and Congress subsequently investigating it, yes? Say within the next decade? I mean, MKULTRA started in the 50s and was made public in the 70s.

Maybe, maybe not. This assumes that all secrets are eventually revealed within a relevant time frame. On the contrary, I imagine the government fails to keep some secrets for even a month, while others are successfully kept for a half-century or more.

Who knows? Maybe the 9/11 secret will only be revealed once our current form of government is replaced by another.

[Relax]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

All I am saying is that it came out even though the director of the CIA ordered all the evidence to be destroyed.

The story was already out! They had people investigating into it who could actually do it legally without getting in trouble. The fact that they ordered the destruction of evidence means they had a lot to hide. And we were only able to piece it together never knowing of the really REALLY bad things they did.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Maybe, maybe not. This assumes that all secrets are eventually revealed within a relevant time frame. On the contrary, I imagine the government fails to keep some secrets for even a month, while others are successfully kept for a half-century or more.

Who knows? Maybe the 9/11 secret will only be revealed once our current form of government is replaced by another.

And of course, when a half century passes without the "truth" about 9/11 coming out, that will just prove to you that it was one of the secrets that can be kept for that long.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

The story was already out! They had people investigating into it who could actually do it legally without getting in trouble. The fact that they ordered the destruction of evidence means they had a lot to hide. And we were only able to piece it together never knowing of the really REALLY bad things they did.

No. They tried to destroy the evidence before the story ever became public. They were still found out.

[Relax]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

No. They tried to destroy the evidence before the story ever became public. They were still found out.

Yeah.... 20 years after it started happening, look man if they didn't want people to find out about this stuff they would make SURE people don't find out about it. And that's where these conspiracies come from, they aren't some 'crazy hypothesis' (at least the ones that hold any weight aren't) what they mainly do is just point out the errors in the official story and try their best to describe what really happened. Sure we can't know FOR SURE what really happened but that's where the theory part comes in, it's making our best guesses at how it actually happened when the information isn't readily available to find out.

You look at the errors from both sides while looking into the evidence. These conspiracy theories are solid, the official stories are not. They're full of holes, I guess you could almost say... they're Holy.

[Cuddles]

Stay on topic and do not insult other posters.

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[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

Yeah.... 20 years after it started happening,

So?

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look man if they didn't want people to find out about this stuff they would make SURE people don't find out about it.

The CIA tried to make sure nobody found out what happened. They didn't succeed.

But I guess, according to your "logic," since it was found out, that means that they wanted it to be found out, right? Why exactly did the CIA want everybody to know it was conducting those highly illegal operations? Let me guess, it was to trick everybody into thinking that it couldn't keep a secret, right?

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And that's where these conspiracies come from, they aren't some 'crazy hypothesis' (at least the ones that hold any weight aren't) what they mainly do is just point out the errors in the official story and try their best to describe what really happened. Sure we can't know FOR SURE what really happened but that's where the theory part comes in, it's making our best guesses at how it actually happened when the information isn't readily available to find out.

No, it conspiracy theories come from paranoid people making things up.

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You look at the errors from both sides while looking into the evidence. These conspiracy theories are solid, the official stories are not. They're full of holes, I guess you could almost say... they're Holy.

False. Conspiracy theories are based on nothing but paranoia.

[MarkCorrigan]

I have a question.

Why is it that the moment anyone says "Haha, that's a load of nonsense with zero evidence and even less credibility" to any of the insane CT's like 9/11 ones, or people who think the Holocaust was faked the people who are currently deep into believing this rubbish always say "So you think the government can do no wrong?!?! You think it never lies?!?!"

Well, no. I think the Government lies quite a bit actually, but when they do lie, there's always a decent amount of evidence lying around and the lie is one that is at least a plausible one (normally). What the government do not do is say, spend billions in blowing up two buildings in an impossible way then faking a terrorist attack.

What they don't do is shoot a president with a magical curving bullet that bends around in mid air to hit him from the angle and direction he would have been shot by Lee Harvey Oswald.

What they don't do is fake the deaths of thousands and thousands of people, Jewish and otherwise (they also killed up to 3 million Slavs and nearly 2 million ethnic Poles and if you include the mass murder of Soviet citizens to make room for the Germans, they outstrip the Jewish death toll) and create millions of fake corpses, all starved and showing evidence of gassing or shooting, lay them about in happy happy work camps and bulldoze them into mass graves in front of local Germans just to make them feel sad. Even if the Holocaust was not real, even if we assume it was all one big ploy for the Soviets Jews to get some sympathy, that doesn't make the Nazi Party good people.

As for saying the CT's are solid...really?

You seriously think that?

So was it a controlled demolition by explosives, thermite or thermate? Were the planes real? Were they missiles? Were they holograms? Were the people jumping out of windows real, or "vicsims"? Was it a space laser? Was it done by the US government? The Jews? Was it done to push for a war in the Middle East? To steal gold?

Those are the various 9/11 conspiracies that I can list off the top of my head alone and I'm pretty sure there are more. That's what, 10 different variations? None of which I might add make any god damn sense.

How about JFK?

Was he shot from the grassy knoll? If so, how did the bullets bend around like that as if to show they came from the Book Depository? Was LHO simply a patsy? Was he the actual shooter, just paid by the government? Was there a second shooter? A third?

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

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How about JFK?

Was he shot from the grassy knoll? If so, how did the bullets bend around like that as if to show they came from the Book Depository? Was LHO simply a patsy? Was he the actual shooter, just paid by the government? Was there a second shooter? A third?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nov...22-1963,10584/

[tsig]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

It is a pretty pathetic strawman that not believing in every whacked out conspiracy theory there is means that you believe the government is omnibenevolent or whatever.

Seems to be a common theme lately. 'Believe my nutty story or you're brainwashed by the government'.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Relax

No **** MK-ULTRA was actually real? My my that's some real interesting stuff you have there Spring, even things I didn't know about. I'm glad it's declassified now though, because that means it's no longer a conspiracy... and yet we still have dumb people running around saying we're wrong? and how could the government hide such things? Unbelievable. These are perfect examples of just how the government can hide things from it's supremely ignorant citizens.

What did the government do to you?

[Relax]

Originally Posted by tsig

What did the government do to you?

Oh not much, they just mass murdered a bunch of people and have been lying to me all my life... how about you?

And Mr. Mark there is one plausible theory out of the ones you listed for the 9/11 the thermite one. There weren't any planes though, having said that I'll also say there were planes. Two planes did hit the Twin Towers. No plane hit the pentagon and no plane crashed in Pennsylvania though. Some sort of missile hit the pentagon, and it looks like a large hole was just blown in the ground at Pennsylvania. If you're going to argue with me on the pentagon issue I'm going to have to ask for video evidence. I'm sorry but the pentagon is one of the most secure places in the U.S. meaning LOTS of surveillance. I think they can do better than three very poor quality still shots that LITERALLY show nothing but an explosion.

And as for explosives used in the WTC... well you don't have to look far for that evidence, just look at WTC 7. These three things alone should be more than enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Does the government make excuses to explain these phenomenon? Of course they do, but they're just excuses. So my question to you is why do you still believe in it?

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Relax

No plane hit the pentagon and no plane crashed in Pennsylvania though. Some sort of missile hit the pentagon, and it looks like a large hole was just blown in the ground at Pennsylvania. If you're going to argue with me on the pentagon issue I'm going to have to ask for video evidence.

How about you provide video evidence of the missile? Or really, any kind of evidence at all.

[BStrong]

Originally Posted by Relax

Oh not much, they just mass murdered a bunch of people and have been lying to me all my life... how about you?

And Mr. Mark there is one plausible theory out of the ones you listed for the 9/11 the thermite one. There weren't any planes though, having said that I'll also say there were planes. Two planes did hit the Twin Towers. No plane hit the pentagon and no plane crashed in Pennsylvania though. Some sort of missile hit the pentagon, and it looks like a large hole was just blown in the ground at Pennsylvania. If you're going to argue with me on the pentagon issue I'm going to have to ask for video evidence. I'm sorry but the pentagon is one of the most secure places in the U.S. meaning LOTS of surveillance. I think they can do better than three very poor quality still shots that LITERALLY show nothing but an explosion.

And as for explosives used in the WTC... well you don't have to look far for that evidence, just look at WTC 7. These three things alone should be more than enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Does the government make excuses to explain these phenomenon? Of course they do, but they're just excuses. So my question to you is why do you still believe in it?

What external security was in place at the Pentagon on 9/11/01?

And that proof would be?

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

Oh not much, they just mass murdered a bunch of people and have been lying to me all my life... how about you?

And Mr. Mark there is one plausible theory out of the ones you listed for the 9/11 the thermite one. There weren't any planes though, having said that I'll also say there were planes. Two planes did hit the Twin Towers. No plane hit the pentagon and no plane crashed in Pennsylvania though. Some sort of missile hit the pentagon, and it looks like a large hole was just blown in the ground at Pennsylvania. If you're going to argue with me on the pentagon issue I'm going to have to ask for video evidence. I'm sorry but the pentagon is one of the most secure places in the U.S. meaning LOTS of surveillance. I think they can do better than three very poor quality still shots that LITERALLY show nothing but an explosion.

And as for explosives used in the WTC... well you don't have to look far for that evidence, just look at WTC 7. These three things alone should be more than enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Does the government make excuses to explain these phenomenon? Of course they do, but they're just excuses. So my question to you is why do you still believe in it?

Many people describe a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Some even an American Airlines 757. But let me guess, all CIA plants, right?

And is thermite or explosives? The two aren't the same thing...

[Relax]

Originally Posted by BStrong

What external security was in place at the Pentagon on 9/11/01?

And that proof would be?

You seriously don't think the pentagon doesn't have cameras on the outside? Looking outwards.... My shopping mall has cameras in the parking lot and the Pentagon the most secure place in the U.S. doesn't have any cameras on the outside except one measly little checkpoint? It's well known they confiscated surveillance tapes from surrounding motels and gas stations and such.

The proof that if even one of these holds strong (which they do) then that itself is more than enough evidence to point towards and inside job. Mind you this is not even taking into account of the Twin Towers themselves yet, but, as I said before no amount of evidence can assure you. It's a psychological barrier you must break yourself.

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Many people describe a plane crashing into the Pentagon. Some even an American Airlines 757. But let me guess, all CIA plants, right?

And is thermite or explosives? The two aren't the same thing...

I think half of the hijackers are still alive in the Middle East somewhere if that helps, I know there's at least 3 hijackers who were said to have hijacked these planes but are actually alive and doing well. So it's not that hard to foresee the government planting a few agents here and there to bear false witness, also seeing an explosion does not count as actually seeing the plane hit the building. I mean do you know how many people bore false witness against the Nazi's in World War II about the holocaust? And do you know how many people the OSS alone recruited as agents during it's brief existence? It's really not that hard of a feat really, making stuff up... I mean people are good at it sure, but the government is MLG PRO at it.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

You seriously don't think the pentagon doesn't have cameras on the outside? Looking outwards.... My shopping mall has cameras in the parking lot and the Pentagon the most secure place in the U.S. doesn't have any cameras on the outside except one measly little checkpoint? It's well known they confiscated surveillance tapes from surrounding motels and gas stations and such.

The proof that if even one of these holds strong (which they do) then that itself is more than enough evidence to point towards and inside job. Mind you this is not even taking into account of the Twin Towers themselves yet, but, as I said before no amount of evidence can assure you. It's a psychological barrier you must break yourself.

Your incredulity is not evidence.

[Mashuna]

Originally Posted by Relax

And Mr. Mark there is one plausible theory out of the ones you listed for the 9/11 the thermite one. There weren't any planes though, having said that I'll also say there were planes. Two planes did hit the Twin Towers. No plane hit the pentagon and no plane crashed in Pennsylvania though. Some sort of missile hit the pentagon, and it looks like a large hole was just blown in the ground at Pennsylvania. If you're going to argue with me on the pentagon issue I'm going to have to ask for video evidence. I'm sorry but the pentagon is one of the most secure places in the U.S. meaning LOTS of surveillance. I think they can do better than three very poor quality still shots that LITERALLY show nothing but an explosion.

And as for explosives used in the WTC... well you don't have to look far for that evidence, just look at WTC 7. These three things alone should be more than enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Does the government make excuses to explain these phenomenon? Of course they do, but they're just excuses. So my question to you is why do you still believe in it?

Well, because of all the actual evidence supporting the reasons. As opposed to crazy cartoon made up physics and personal disbelief.

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Relax

You seriously don't think the pentagon doesn't have cameras on the outside? Looking outwards.... My shopping mall has cameras in the parking lot and the Pentagon the most secure place in the U.S. doesn't have any cameras on the outside except one measly little checkpoint? It's well known they confiscated surveillance tapes from surrounding motels and gas stations and such.

So... where's your evidence for the missile?

[Relax]

Originally Posted by Mashuna

Well, because of all the actual evidence supporting the reasons. As opposed to crazy cartoon made up physics and personal disbelief.

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I AGREE

Meanwhile in the rubble of the twin towers.

And that's nano Thermite, you should see Mr. Cole's video on thermite usage, while you're doing that you can also see Mr. Cole's video on the holocaust. Not the same Cole btw. I just like how they both have the same last name.

Originally Posted by timhau

So... where's your evidence for the missile?

I would assume it would be gone since missiles tend to blow up once they hit the target. But still first you gotta provide me video evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

I think half of the hijackers are still alive in the Middle East somewhere if that helps, I know there's at least 3 hijackers who were said to have hijacked these planes but are actually alive and doing well. blah blah blah.

You're really bad at this. The "alive" hijackers are just people with the same/similar name. You would know this if you read anything but whacked out conspiracy websites. And why the **** would they use real, living people as the hijackers anyway? Why not just make people up? Or use real people, and then kill them?

And yeah, I know that the fact that dozens of people are on record of seeing a plane fly into the Pentagon is mighty inconvenient to your fantasies but the fact of the matter is that dozens of people are on record of seeing a plane fly into the Pentagon. Nobody reports a missile. And if they wanted people to believe that a plane crashed into the Pentagon, why not just *********** crash a plane into the Pentagon? They had to get rid of American Airlines Flight 77 anyway.

Your fantasies despite being based on no evidence whatsoever, don't even make any sense.

[The Dark Lord]

Originally Posted by Relax

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I AGREE

Meanwhile in the rubble of the twin towers.

And that's nano Thermite, you should see Mr. Cole's video on thermite usage, while you're doing that you can also see Mr. Cole's video on the holocaust. Not the same Cole btw. I just like how they both have the same last name.

And you no this is nanothermite because some whacked out conspiracy website told you, yes?

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I would assume it would be gone since missiles tend to blow up once they hit the target. But still first you gotta provide me video evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon.

So you have none. Shocker.

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Relax

I would assume it would be gone since missiles tend to blow up once they hit the target. But still first you gotta provide me video evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon.

Why? There's plenty of eyewitness testimony, along with plane wreckage. You, on the other hand, have zilch.

[Relax]

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

You're really bad at this. The "alive" hijackers are just people with the same/similar name. You would know this if you read anything but whacked out conspiracy websites. And why would they use real, living people as the hijackers anyway. Why not just make people up? Or use real people, and then kill them?

And yeah, I know that the fact that dozens of people are on record of seeing a plane fly into the Pentagon is mighty inconvenient to your fantasies but the fact of the matter is that dozens of people are on record of seeing a plane fly into the Pentagon. Nobody reports a missile. And if they wanted people to believe that a plane, why not just crash a plane into the Pentagon?

Your fantasies despite being based on no evidence whatsoever, don't even make any sense.

There probably weren't any people even on board the planes that flew into the twin towers, remote control technology has been within our knowledge for decades, it's not that hard to conceive the government has far superior technology which would allow them to control entire jet airplanes, kind like what NASA does. That's it? only a few dozen... thought it would've been more than that..