Find me petitions, please!

[Oystein]

Hey everybody,

do you know of, and can link to, petitions that have gathered more than 15,000 legitimate signatures from the general population, or more than 1,700 from defined subsets of the population (such as college students of the humanities, entrepreneurs, homeless...)?

Could be about anything - to save a local pet shelter, protest a raise of bus fares, demand an end to new surface lifts in a ski resort, call for secession of territory or the introduction of psychic healing to the things covered by health insurers. Actually, the funnier or weirder, the better. Local, regional, national or worldwide petitions equally welcome.


I want to compile a short list of petitions that gathered more signatures in much less time on a much smaller budget and for more obscure or localized causes that Richard Gage's ae911truth petition, which reached such a
ridiculously low percentage of its target population despite lobbying for nearly 5 years now with funds approaching a million bucks.

[Myriad]

Here you go: 48,000 signatures requesting a hospital to allow a kidney transplant for a developmentally disabled girl.

You can find many others by browsing change.org. Trayvon Martin's petition is at 2.25 million (but of course, that case has had a lot of publicity). On the other hand... 108,000 signatures for wild burros in Texas. 120,000 to ban horse carriages in NYC. 111,000 to free dolphins in Singapore. 14,000 for posthumous honorary degrees for seven gay students persecuted by Harvard nearly a century ago. 68,000 for rain-forest-safe Girl Scout cookies. 64,000 for a boy who wants to grow his hair contrary to his school policy, to be able to donate it to Locks of Love.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[tfk]

I like the various "petitions to ban water" (aka: dihydrogen monoxide or hydrogen hydroxide).

I don't know about tallies, but this video by Penn & Teller is hilariously close to Gage's claims about converting people at his talks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

[MikeW]

For some UK petitions, see the Downing Street site. They're sorted by the number of signatures so browsing them only takes a click or two.

[Oystein]

Excellent, all of you. So far I like

• Make 'Engineer' a protected title (UK, 22,904 signatures, probably since december 9th, 2011)
• Put Alan Turing on the next £10 note (UK, 14,104 signatures since march 21st)
• Can Yoga Be Owned? (India, 8,860 signatures since november - oh and they are truthers, too: www.yogatruth.org )
• Allow girls & women to play Football wearing Headscarfs (several muslim countries, 15,781 signatures, not sure since when. 2,500 signatures between feb 4th and 18th. Facebook page since jan. 16th)
• Harvard University: Please abolish the anti-gay Secret Court of 1920 and grant posthumous honorary degrees to the seven student victims (USA, 14,338 signatures. Was 2,500 on feb 28th)

[Sabretooth]

And I can't imagine that any of those poll owners are making 80k a year?

[LSSBB]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

And I can't imagine that any of those poll owners are making 80k a year?

And taking frequent vacations, and being cheered on by his signers at every stop.

[Orphia Nay]

http://www.change.org/ is a huge site dedicated to petitions.

Here's the petition page:
http://www.change.org/petitions


There's also the Whitehouse petition page:

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/

I found this one which has 1,818 signatures:

Keep Rush Limbaugh on AFN radio, equally target liberal entertainers who offend us, don't threaten free speech!

[cjnewson88]

I'll have to look it up later but over on the auzi skeptic forum there was a post regarding a UFO petition that got I think 17000 signatures for the US government to officially confirm or deny the existence/contact with UFOs. I'm a bit busy at the moment to go find it, Orphia maybe you can grab the details?

Edit: looks like I had more time than I thought;

http://australasianskeptics.info/vie....php?f=9&t=865

[Comsat Angel]

Here's a link to petitions submitted to Salford City Council

http://www.salford.gov.uk/petitionsreceived.htm

Only a few hit your 1,700 mark - they might be considered a subset, being Salford residents and those who work in the city. There is also an addendum from the Council showing what action, if any, was taken.

The unsuccessful petition that failed to halt my redundancy is also on there - "Connexions"!

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Comsat Angel

Here's a link to petitions submitted to Salford City Council

http://www.salford.gov.uk/petitionsreceived.htm

Only a few hit your 1,700 mark - they might be considered a subset, being Salford residents and those who work in the city. There is also an addendum from the Council showing what action, if any, was taken.

The unsuccessful petition that failed to halt my redundancy is also on there - "Connexions"!

Solid!
City of Salford: 229,000 inhabitants.

Quote:

Petition: Funding cuts to specialist education services for deaf children
Received: 2 February 2012
Petitioners: 5,186
Outcome: To be considered.
...
This page was last updated on 24 February 2012

Not bad - reached 2.3% of target population (and more, if you discount children) in 22 days. So this was a hundred times more successful than Gage was with Professional Engineers in about 1800 days. Cool.

[Oystein]

In Germany for example:
Freiheit für iranischen Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani
("Freedom for the Iranian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani")
14,173 petitioners, almost exclusively from Germany (pop.: 81,800,000) since 12/20/2011 (109 days).

Lebenslange Sperre für Claudio De Ferrari an allen Schlittenhunderennen!
("Life-long banning of Claudio De Ferrari from all sled-dog races!")
12,458 petitioners since 03/01/2012 (37 days)

[Orphia Nay]

Don't forget Project Steve:
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve

[Oystein]

On April 24th, and over at 911Blogger, twoofer "kawika" (irl David ...?) tried to promote a petition on building 7 at http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/
Wanted this to spread virally, but the petition was soon (april 26th) taken offline by Avaaz:

http://911blogger.com/news/2012-04-2...s-be-sent-nist

Seems like this Mark Graham fellow was the initiator of that petition.

From Avaaz's About-page:

Avaaz is a global web movement to bring people-powered politics to decision-making everywhere.

...

Each year, Avaaz sets overall priorities through all-member polls ..., and campaign ideas are polled and tested weekly to 10,000-member random samples—and only initiatives that find a strong response are taken to scale. Campaigns that do reach the full membership are then super-charged by, often, hundreds of thousands of Avaaz members taking part within days or even hours.

Perhaps the members didn't really root for da Twoof, and the motion was ditched

[Orphia Nay]

I love the smell of truther FAIL in the evening. Smells like thermite.

[CompusMentus]

Westminster London pop. 236,000 (2008)

Petition: "We are against Westminster City Council’s new parking regulations"

Signatures 9755

From HERE

Petition opened: Aug 12, 2011
Petition closed: Jan 25, 2012

Quote:

Westminster City Council has passed new parking regulations which will be implemented by 1st December 2011; these new regulations will have a negative effect on all local businesses and anyone who works in the local area as you will not be able to park on single yellow lines until after 12am from Monday through to Saturday and only after 6pm on a Sunday.

The fees for the parking meters will be £2.40 per hour Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and £4.80 on Thursday Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

We would like everyone who these new regulations affect to please sign the petition so we can stand together as one.

Compus

[Professor Yaffle]

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions

[Oystein]

They are trying a new one:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Rev...of_Building_7/

Originally Posted by Petition at Avaaz

85 signers. Let's reach 100

...Despite never being hit by an airplane, Building 7 was reduced to a pile of rubble in about 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001. ...

Posted May 7, 2012

Despite the obvious lies and falsehoods, they have now 85 signatures towards an intermediate target of 100.

Recent Signers:

2 minutes ago
Peter Drew, United Kingdom

6 minutes ago
Chris Dewey, United States of America

one hour ago
michael maybo, United States of America

one hour ago
Eric C Anderson, United States of America

3 hours ago
Meg Connor, United States of America

And they are advertising it at 911Blogger:
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-05-0...pse-building-7
(Submitted by MarkGraham on Mon, 05/07/2012 - 2:59pm)

Steven Jones wrote today:

Quote:

I notice the number of signers is increasing rapidly this morning, now 80 signers as I write. [on Tue, 05/08/2012 - 10:09am]

Not sure what the time zone is - UT, mine, Jones's, or the server's.

[Oystein]

About 20 hours later, they are now at 104 signatures.

Latest signers:
39 minutes ago: enrico napolitano, United Kingdom
7 hours ago: Grace Andrews, United States of America
8 hours ago: Herb Moyer, United States of America
8 hours ago: Susan Reiners, United States of America

So they reached the first goal of 100 8 hours ago, around midnight in the USA.

[Oystein]

Another one:

http://www.petition2congress.com/647...l-review/view/

Quote:

9/11 Congressional Review
93 People Have Sent 284 Letters and Emails

This was started on March 29 2012 - about 45 days ago.
2 supporters per day ain't stellar ^^

Anyway, this is now advertised on 911Blogger.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

They are trying a new one:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Rev...of_Building_7/

Despite the obvious lies and falsehoods, they have now 85 signatures towards an intermediate target of 100.
...

Oh - wow! This is taking off: Two or three days ago, I had started writing a post on the slow progress of this petition; it was at 130-140 signatures then, so very few new ones since May 8. But today, they suddenly are at 747!
I suspect it has more to do with the Avaaz works (featuring it more prominently, somehow?) than with any drum-bamging by the usual twoof-suspects. "Debunking the Debunkers" just wrote about it (including the 7 seconds collapse time lie).



And while I am at it: This one...

Originally Posted by Oystein

Another one:

http://www.petition2congress.com/647...l-review/view/

This was started on March 29 2012 - about 45 days ago.
2 supporters per day ain't stellar ^^

...looks dead in the water. 108 people signed, +15 in 10 days.

[Oystein]

The Avaaz-poll had been taken down on May 22, with at least 844 signatures; but Mark Graham, the initiator, appealed successfully, and it has been restored a good week later. Here is his report on these events:
http://911blogger.com/news/2012-06-0...ing-7-petition

The Petition is currently at 983 signatures:
http://avaaz.org/en/petition/Revise_...of_Building_7/



Mark plans on hosting a new petition on his own domain:
http://www.building7petition.org/
(No content so far).




In the meantime, the other petition I have been tracking, to Congress, is almost dead:
http://www.petition2congress.com/647...l-review/view/
May 22: 108 signers
Jun 03: 118 signers
+10 in 10 days. *yawn*

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

...
The [Avaaz] Petition is currently at 983 signatures:
http://avaaz.org/en/petition/Revise_...of_Building_7/
...

At 911Blogger, they are also monitoring the increase:
- "We are at 999" (06/03/2012 - 10:30am; not sure which time zone)
- "1,052 signers" (06/03/2012 - 4:20pm)

Right now 1,118 (06/04/2012 - 4:06pm CET)


Kawika expects "This will grow exponentially" if they "Send this link to all [their] contacts". I shall monitor

[Oystein]

06/04/2012 09:26pm here in central Europe: I have 1,141.
Steven Jones just posted:
"1,136 signers (Monday morning here)" (06/04/2012 - 12:29pm)
and and the most recent comment at 911Blogger is from 12:58pm
and I can see the latest 5 signatures clocked in "23 minutes ago" (1) and "one hour ago" (4).

It appears like Jones posted his number one or two hours ago, at 8:29pm or 7:29pm CET, 7/6:29 GMT, 2/1pm ET, or 12:29pm/11:29am Mountain Time (Utah). Hmmm I hope 911Blogger doesn't record local time stamps of each user

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

...
Right now 1,118 (06/04/2012 - 4:06pm CET)

Kawika expects "This will grow exponentially" if they "Send this link to all [their] contacts". I shall monitor

A little over 24 hours later:
Right now 1,210 (06/05/2012 - 4:52pm CET)
that's +92 in 24 hours 48 minutes, or +7.95%/day

If this grew exponentially, there should be 1306 (+96) signatures in 24 hours tomorrow.
We'll see!


(as a matter of fact, during the last 3 days, growth rate already dropped from 20.6%/day on 06/03 to 9.7% on 06/04 to now 8% - that's not exponential...)

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

A little over 24 hours later:
Right now 1,210 (06/05/2012 - 4:52pm CET)
that's +92 in 24 hours 48 minutes, or +7.95%/day

If this grew exponentially, there should be 1306 (+96) signatures in 24 hours tomorrow.
We'll see!


(as a matter of fact, during the last 3 days, growth rate already dropped from 20.6%/day on 06/03 to 9.7% on 06/04 to now 8% - that's not exponential...)

Right now

1.297 (06/06/2012 9:20pm CET)
that's + 87 in 26 hours 28 minutes, or + 6.5%/day

Sorry, no exponential growth. Linear growth is down from 89/day to 79/day

Summary:

day	hours	new sig/24h (linear)	expon. growth/day
06/04	29:34	96.6	9.6%
06/05	24:48	89.0	8.0%
06/06	26:28	78.9	6.5%

[Oystein]

Right now

1.344 (06/07/2012 6:18pm CET)
that's + 47 in 22 hours 58 minutes, or + 3.8%/day

Sorry, no exponential growth. Linear growth is down from 89/day to 79/day

Summary:

day	hours	new sig/24h (linear)	expon. growth/day
06/04	29:34	96.6	9.6%
06/05	24:48	89.0	8.0%
06/06	26:28	78.9	6.5%
06/07	22:58	49.1	3.8%

I wrote a blog post about this, with some graphs for the mathematically challenged:
http://oystein-debate.blogspot.de/20...bout-wtc7.html
It's basically mocking the expectation of one Twoofer at 911Blogger who hopes this would go viral, grow exponentially and reach 1 million.

[Oystein]

Are petitions the latest fad in the Twoof Movement? Here is another, started 7 days ago:

President Obama: 9/11 Families Ask You to Watch “9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out” @ change.org - created by Dick Gage himself.
Among those giving reasons to support this pet are household AE911Twoof names such as Frank Legge, Ronald Brookman and Dwain Deets.

Why are they going for petitions? Haven't they noticed that all their current and past petitions are total failures? How many more do they need to document the fact that their movement is dead?

• A petition on petition2congress.com, started end of march, had 118 people on jun 03, and 137 now - +19 in 23 days - not even 1 per day.
• A petition at avaaz.org, started may 7th (but offline for brief bit later in may) did fairly well more than 3 weeks ago, when it burst to over 1,000 signatures, with a few days seeing more than 100/day, apparently. Since then, it quickly was reduced to a trickle - see my blog.

jun 26: They have now 292 signatures after 6.5 days - and targeting 1,000,000

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Are petitions the latest fad in the Twoof Movement? Here is another, started 7 days ago:

President Obama: 9/11 Families Ask You to Watch “9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out” @ change.org - created by Dick Gage himself.
Among those giving reasons to support this pet are household AE911Twoof names such as Frank Legge, Ronald Brookman and Dwain Deets.

Why are they going for petitions? Haven't they noticed that all their current and past petitions are total failures? How many more do they need to document the fact that their movement is dead?

I can give you a serious answer.

These are very committed people. It often said here that there's some financial motive at stake in 9/11 Truth. I used to parrot this. I doubt it is a significant point even for the paid millionaires at the top of the 9/11 Truth money chain. Many Truthers, and almost all the ones left active now, are very spiritual people. Most are Christian, but some belong to other faiths. Most of the right-wing Christians I know from We Are Change are non-denominational Christians. Occasionally, an anarchist kid or a right-wing liberty nut will pop into the scene, but they don't last long. If you're not into the God thing, 9/11 Truth gets stupid awfully quickly. In fact, it's kind of an intelligence test for me. If you're not into the God thing and are still around after 6 months, there's something really wrong with you.

I once compared the commitment to 9/11 Truth with the fight against slavery. It simply would not matter to what the material argument is that supports slavery. It is wrong no matter what. Brainster once pointed out that 9/11 Truth is appealing to some specifically because it makes the moral questions about dealing with the Middle East so much simpler than the reality.

Originally Posted by Brainster

These kinds of arguments are appealing precisely because they don't require a lot of sophistication...If 9-11 was an inside job, then you don't have to argue whether we need to get rid of the Taliban, or (in the case of Iraq), whether a Western-style democracy might serve as a model for the rest of the region.

As LSSB said, there is an intriguing nexus between religion, peace groups and 9-11 Truth, that I have struggled to understand. Certainly there are a disproportionate number of Truthers who are theology professors, including Griffin and McQueen, among others.

Now compare with an e-mail that moron Tony Hall sent me a couple of weeks ago,

Quote:

I am here in Vancouver and I just checked your Randi group.

You make things up Scott. You know you do. You get it wrong again and again concerning, for instance, Joshua's employment. You really are in the Shermer school of no evidencers. Just make things up to help out with a dark project of covering up for war criminals. That makes you one too. What a impoverished way of life you have made for yourself.

Are you following Fukushima or is it just conspiracy theories that we're in a mess there. Check out my work on the subject if you get a moment. How do your friends in Taiwan think about what is going on.

You are like a bigot when you deploy generalizing terms like "n planners" to stigmatize groups of your invention... dehumanize and other people. You contribute to Islamophobia, a mental disease that your psy ops buddies, you yourself, inflamme to cover over murder and torture.

Save yourself from infamy while you can and disassociate yourself from the sad and pathetic line of work you are caught up in. Pull out of it Scott while you still can. You can do better for yourself. You will be held accountable in the long run for the mess you are making of your life by choosing to to become a disinfo hack for the worst sort of war mongers and pro-nuke psychos.

Notice the similarity of the rhetoric. He is in fact arguing the same simplified position that Brainster points to as the motive for beliefs in 9/11 Truth. For Tony and his friends, there is no moral opposition to the war in the Middle East without the recognition that are no Muslim fanatics and the way things are in the Middle East is just none of our business.

[Oystein]

Scott,

and how does that commitment translate into petitions as the latest fad?


As for the God thing and right wing nuts: Ed Asner is an old left wing war horse, a unionist. Don't think he is overly religious. Lately I have debated a handful of German truthers - they generally do not come at all across as being much concerned with the divine, and also they appear to hail much more from a left-wing, anti-capitalist and anti-nationalist (which sometimes includes ant-zionist; anti-semitism isn't exclusively a right-wing thing) smog. I guess, while disposition to "belief" of some sort is essential, it doesn't have to be "in god".

[Scott Sommers]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Scott,

and how does that commitment translate into petitions as the latest fad?


As for the God thing and right wing nuts: Ed Asner is an old left wing war horse, a unionist. Don't think he is overly religious. Lately I have debated a handful of German truthers - they generally do not come at all across as being much concerned with the divine, and also they appear to hail much more from a left-wing, anti-capitalist and anti-nationalist (which sometimes includes ant-zionist; anti-semitism isn't exclusively a right-wing thing) smog. I guess, while disposition to "belief" of some sort is essential, it doesn't have to be "in god".

I thought I had answered all this in various posts I have done over the years. Maybe because I don't post very much, this all gets forgotten.

Who cares about Ed Asner? He's one of those Hollywood Democrats who doesn't know they were supposed to shut up when that Black guy got elected and started talking about public health care. There used to be dozens of Hollywood stars screaming about 9/11 conspiracies - David Lynch, James Brolin, Willy Nelson...maybe even Sean Penn. Where are they now? The real question is why Asner is still shooting his mouth off. Maybe the same reason that Charlie Sheen still is.

I am constantly having to answer questions from Europeans about Truther World. What percentage of Truthers live in Europe? 1%? Almost all Truthers are Americans. All the Truthers you listed are Americans. Being a Truther is an American thing. Some confused Canadians and Europeans have picked it up as a weird sort of anti-American thing, but they are even more stupid than American Truthers. I have seen Truthers in Canada argue for the conspiracy and how chemtrails are an attack on public health care, then quote Ron Paul as a source of something - Ron Paul has argued that no one, no matter what, has the right to health care and if no doctor will treat you, there is no problem that you die.

My point here is that 9/11 Truth is an American thing. People from other places may latch on to it for all kinds of crazy reasons, but it is an American religious phenomena. The religious nature of Truthers has been commented on many times here. I can give you some of the links, if it matters. Now that Truthers have been beaten into the ground, this is more true (of American Truthers) than ever before.

What relevance does this have for petitions? They have to try something. Wouldn't you try anything if slavery was brought back? I would. There are just some things that are so wrong, they have to be opposed. And for Dwayne Deets and Richard Gage, a world without 9/11 Truth is one of them. If your question is why are they doing petitions now and not something else? Who knows? But they're going to go through absolutely everything they can now it's clear that Richard Gage and AE911T Magical Mystery Tour isn't getting them anywhere. I'm not sure there's a lot left for them to try, but I am sure they'll try things that you and I could never imagine.

If you want me to go through once again my arguments for the membership and motivation of 9/11 Truthers, I can do it. I have a lot of links I can give to you. I don't know how persuasive I can be for Europeans. The social world of European Truthers is quite different from the American scene. But the American scene completely dominates the world on this. 9/11 Truth is completely an American ideology. 9/11 Truth anywhere else in the world is just repeating what some Americans have said.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

jun 26: They have now 292 signatures after 6.5 days - and targeting 1,000,000

jun 29th 15:30 CET: 335 - and target reduced to 500
http://www.change.org/petitions/pres...ts-speak-out-2

[Orphia Nay]

Originally Posted by Oystein

jun 29th 15:30 CET: 335 - and target reduced to 500
http://www.change.org/petitions/pres...ts-speak-out-2

That's the biggest backpedal I've seen in ages!

[Oystein]

O noes! Yet another petition that I stumbled across at 911Blogger, linked to by John Michael Talboo:

http://signon.org/sign/properly-inve...ailing_id=4213

Originally Posted by James Hufferd

Properly Investigate the Crimes of 9/11

By James Hufferd (Contact)

To be delivered to: The United States House of Representatives, The United States Senate, and President Barack Obama

We, the undersigned, demand that a full, unbiased, and open-ended criminal and legal investigation of the 9/11 crimes, with full subpeona power and open access to all evidence, be ordered to be conducted by a properly authorized court or grand jury for the purposes of determining legally and conclusively from the full evidence who was responsible and the cause of the involved loss of life, property, and subsequent damages and delivering full justice in regular accordance with the Constitutional guarantee of due process and fair trial.

yadda yadda


Started on April 25.
Had 36 signers on that first day
51 on april 26
54 on april 27
62 on april 28
63 on april 29
67 on april 30
75 on may 07/08
96 on may 09
113 on may 10
116 on may 11
119 on may 15
123 on may 19-21
154 on may 22
160 on may 23
163 on may 24
176 on may 31
179 on june 07
then no signatures for 21 days until and including the 29th
Currently 183 signatures.
We'll see if John-Michael can push this. It seems that somebody somewhere pushed this on may 09 and may 22, but those pushes were short lived

Goal: 200 (why 200? why not 100,000?)



ETA: Signer #176 has a typo that made me laugh out loud:

Quote:

176. Steven Cohn May 31, 2012 Tempe, AZ

Please reincestigate

Yeah, I am sure there is a lot of memetic inbreeding in the Twoof family that begets all these crippled and almost stillborn petitions

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Are petitions the latest fad in the Twoof Movement? Here is another, started 7 days ago:

President Obama: 9/11 Families Ask You to Watch “9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out” @ change.org - created by Dick Gage himself.
Among those giving reasons to support this pet are household AE911Twoof names such as Frank Legge, Ronald Brookman and Dwain Deets.
...
jun 26: They have now 292 signatures after 6.5 days
...

I so far missed that this petition is featured on the front page of AE911Truth.org, on top of the right hand column:
http://ae911truth.org/

It is currently at 444 signatures. Since I began monitoring this petition, that's +152 sigantures in 13.15 day, or 11.6/day. Not exactly stellar, considering that Gage is touring the USA and this is featured so prominently on a page with supposely 1700 professional members
And, of course, this growth rate is slowly declining rather than increasing, if it should, if that petition went "viral".

And yet, this is the hottest of the four 9/11 truth petitions currently running that I am aware of. Average rate of new signatures in the past 2 weeks have been:

• change.org: 11.6/day / 444 total since june 19th
• avaaz.org: 1.6/day / 1490 total since may 7th
• petition2congress.org: 1.0/day / 150 total since march 29th
• signon.org: 0.5/day / 186 total since april 25th

I'll wait a few days, perhaps till the end og the month, until the change.org petition fades, and then present stats and graphs on how well the Twoof Movement can "mobilze" its "members" to do something about it (sign irrelevant petitions)!

[ozeco41]

It's just a standard marketing ploy - "rebadge a faded product" - to give a short term boost to a declining market share.

...all same tactics as Jones move from thermXte to nano-thermxte.

..and I doubt that it will have anywhere near the success that "nano thermXte" rebranding had for Jones. Still the only market sector affected was us aficionados - impact out there in reality land indistinguishable from zero.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

... Average rate of new signatures in the past 2 weeks have been:

• change.org: 11.6/day / 444 total since june 19th
• avaaz.org: 1.6/day / 1490 total since may 7th
• petition2congress.org: 1.0/day / 150 total since march 29th
• signon.org: 0.5/day / 186 total since april 25th

I'll wait a few days, perhaps till the end og the month, until the change.org petition fades, and then present stats and graphs on how well the Twoof Movement can "mobilze" its "members" to do something about it (sign irrelevant petitions)!

Ok, here are the stats on 4 online petitions at popular petition sites that truthers have started in recent months:

1. petition2congress.org
Started on march 29th.
Only 152 signers so far, in 124 days
In july: 0.4 signers / day



This one is dead.


2. signon.org
Started on april 25th
187 signers so far, in 98 days
In july: 0.2 signers / day



This one is dead.



3. avaaz.org
Started on may 7th. Was offline for a bit later in may
1,524 signers so far, in 85 days
In july: 1.5 signers / day



This is almost dead. It was featured on several truther websites in may and june and for some reason had two spurts, but now has returned to obscurity.


4. change.org
Started on june 19th
638 signer so far, in 42 days
In july: 9.4 1.5 signers / day



This petition is featured on the front page of ae911truth.org top right. That page is getting around 7,000 hits per day - seems like one in 1,000 visitors to Gage's page finds and signs it.



Almost all petitions,, not just the Twoofer ones, typically get most of their signatures in the first days.

On all four petition websites, if you go to their homepages you will find many many petitions that reach tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousand of signatures. Of course, everything with cute animals and little children is popular, and also the really big current issues. But you'll frequently find dry, obscure and/or local issues that fare much better than 9/11 Twoof.

For example, earlier in this thread, on april 6th, I linked to a UK petition to put mathematician and IT pioneer Alan Turing on the British ten-poubd note.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31659
It had 14,104 signatures since march 21st then, and has now improved to 21,118.

On the same day, april 6th, a petition on change.org to honour some gay Harvard students a century later had 14,338 signatures. It is now at 17.848 - a plus of ca. 3,500 signatures. Almost twice of what all new truther petitions taken together have achieved!


It is totally unclear what truthers want to achieve. I don't really see them talk about what happens with these petitions afterwards. The change.org petition by AE911Truth actually asks President Obama to watch their docu. Hello?? Even I don't have the time to watch that crap! Who do they think they are folling? Who in their right mind signs such a demand?

[Oystein]

Jon Gold, activist for some of the victims' family members, has started yet another petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/s...or-911-justice

Started on august 4th with 20 signatures
Continued in the days that followed with 79, 64, 66 and 36, so the usual downward trend already there. They are currently at 271

Announced by Jon Gold at 911Blogger here (that's how I found it).

Some recognizable names (well, Jon recognizes them, I recognize only some) among the signatures are:

Ray McGovern
Daniel Sunjata
Regina Cervantes
Cindy Sheehan
[eta]Scott Noble[/eta]
Dahlia Wasfi
John-Michael Talboo
Michiel De Boer
John Judge
Lorie Van Auken
Coleen Rowley
Donna Marsh O'Connor
William Rivers Pitt
Pepe Escobar
Brian Good
Sibel Edmonds
Chris Sarns

# 193 John Romano claims to be a first responder.

# 261 John Hughes comments smartly: "Petitions are getting too fragmented. The need amalgamating."


It's worth noting that the Petition makes no claim of CD or inside job - it calls mainly for accountability, and points to (perceived) open holes in the story in terms of financing, foreknowledge and response. Jon Gold is on the record as being discontent with the CD proponents who he feels are a big stumbling block towards political and legal accountability. Poor him that CDers like Talboo, Good or Sarns are infesting this petition.


I'll be watching

ipetitions.com doesn't seem to be very hot. Other petitions that started a few days ago are
Stoppa steningsdomen mot Layla Ibrahim Issa i Sudan! - 253 since August 5th
Something in Chinese - 227 since August 5th
Corruption in the Family Court in Miami??? - 163 since August 3rd
Stop abortion in Nevada - 0 since August 3rd
Request for Parole of German Grace 4 since August 3rd
Release To Public All Classified Documents Pertaining To The JFK Assassination Immediately - 2 since August 2nd

The hottest Petition so far today is PLZ GIVE ANAHITA THE URL TAILYPO.TUMBLR.COm with 44 signatures today. LOL.

I think it's easy to predict that Jon will add another failure to the list of current attempts at petitions.

[Orphia Nay]

Jon Gold started a thread about his petition at Truth Action.
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7600

He says he's deleting comments he doesn't agree with, but there are CD statements I can see.

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Jon Gold started a thread about his petition at Truth Action.
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7600

He says he's deleting comments he doesn't agree with, but there are CD statements I can see.

Hehe yes. Snowcrash (Michiel de Boer) says he signed as #90; he's #88 now, so we know Jon deleted 2 earlier signatures since Michiel signed

Michiel has this irrational hope that this would "go viral":

Originally Posted by Michiel de Boer

It might go viral. I can hope. ... Should this go viral, there will of course come a point where managing the list is unfeasible. ...

Haha! I documented another petition in my blog that one particular truther hoped would go viral: http://oystein-debate.blogspot.de/20...bout-wtc7.html

Petitions go viral if they are about easy to grasp and popular things such as kittens, puppies or babies. Why do Jon Gold and Michiel de Boer, after all these years, hope that their petition should fare any better? All they do is document that the "Truth" Movement can mobilize only a few hundred of the deluded. Their cause is too complex, it is far from obvious, and practically nobody really cares. We should thank them for this documentation!


ETA:
Googling for the link address to that petition, I found that Jon Gold has been spamming this a few times (really just a few) on Facebook - and no one else. Going viral would look differently...