Was sinking the Titanic a planned event? - Page 19

MG1962 · 16th April 2012, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

"The story of the International Mercantile Marine Company, a mammoth and "ill-conceived venture," begins in many ways with the Atlantic Transport Line. ... The time seemed right for creating a shipping trust and Griscom had access to capital through J. P. Morgan. Griscom, Morgan, and Baker talked for six months until December 1900, when Baker agreed to the first step — merging the Atlantic Transport Line into the International Navigation Company. ... J.P. Morgan & Co. announced the details of the trust's organization on October 1, 1902. Named the International Mercantile Marine Company" -- http://www.atlantictransportline.us/...#ixzz1sGnDj9Fr

Sorry why did you leave Technically a holding company under which "subsidiary lines will be permitted full liberty in managing their own affairs" Out of your quote?

You wouldn't be twisting things to suit now would you?

Tomtomkent · 16th April 2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

There was a lot of time spent on this during the US inquiry and the Titanic's crew did see at least one ship. The first lifeboats were ordered to row to the lights, unload and come back. This is definitely one of the true mysteries of that night

I don't think so. The sightings were almost certainly of the Californian, or reflections of her lights. Though the flares fired by one of the boats were also mistaken for ships lights.If im wrong thanks for the correction, i will overcomplicate future responses to be even more confusing...

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

For what purpose other than to increase your post count. What does it matter if the Titanic sent SOS CQD or LOL

Do you know why the code was in the process of being changed from CQD to SOS?

No, I don't know why it was in the process of being changed. Titanic sending both signals is perhaps valid but that they joked about it sounds weird. Even if they believed they were safe, hadn't the engines on Titanic stopped by then? Wouldn't they have been worried?

Here is an account where no joking is mentioned, and it also said that Phillips continued to send CQD:

"At 12:15 AM the captain returned at the radio room and told the operators to send the message. Phillips sent in his spark gap transmitter : "CQD Titanic 41.46 N 50.24 W" when Bride interrupted him : "Send S.O.S. ! It's the new call and it may be your last chance to send it". But faithful to Marconi's rules, Phillips continue sending CQD." -- http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qs...ry-titanic.htm

According to the above source it wasn't until much later where SOS was used:

"At 12:45 "Olympic", MKC, the sister ship of "Titanic" located 800 km (500 miles) away en route to England heard "Titanic" sending "CQD CQD SOS Titanic. Position 41.44 N 50.24 W.". But it seems that "Olympic" didn't answer or didn't hear her call. According the transcript this is the first time that "SOS" was sent, so half an hour after the accident and the request of Bride !"

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Sorry why did you leave Technically a holding company under which "subsidiary lines will be permitted full liberty in managing their own affairs" Out of your quote?

You wouldn't be twisting things to suit now would you?

"The role of Morgan had greatly evolved over the years. Being American, he could not own British ships, however, he took advantage of loopholes and the fact he owned the company that owned the ship itself to ensure his power to own the ships." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co.

MG1962 · 16th April 2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

No, I don't know why it was in the process of being changed.

http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/sos.asp

Quote:

Titanic sending both signals is perhaps valid but that they joked about it sounds weird.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor

They were dead men and they knew it.

MG1962 · 16th April 2012, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

"The role of Morgan had greatly evolved over the years. Being American, he could not own British ships, however, he took advantage of loopholes and the fact he owned the company that owned the ship itself to ensure his power to own the ships." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co.

Prove it

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:37 PM

Y'all have outdated knowledge. Here is the recent understanding:

'The complete imagery won't be made public until the History Channel airs the documentary on the expedition in April. But Stephenson hints that there will be some startling new revelations.

"I think what we've found challenges even some of the most basic questions," Stephenson says. "Such as, did the Titanic even hit the iceberg? The evidence brings up additional information that we just didn't have before and some of the results have been surprising."' --http://gma.yahoo.com/titanic-map-shows-entire-crime-scene-225903961--abc-news.html

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Prove it

Wikipedia is infallible.

MG1962 · 16th April 2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Y'all have outdated knowledge. Here is the recent ~~understanding:~~ speculation

Fixed that for you

Quote:

'The complete imagery won't be made public until the History Channel airs the documentary on the expedition in April. But Stephenson hints that there will be some startling new revelations.

Puts hand to ear.......nup still quiet on the Titanic front

Quote:

"I think what we've found challenges even some of the most basic questions," Stephenson says. "Such as, did the Titanic even hit the iceberg? The evidence brings up additional information that we just didn't have before and some of the results have been surprising."' --http://gma.yahoo.com/titanic-map-shows-entire-crime-scene-225903961--abc-news.html

But we have to wait for a documentary apparently before we will be allowed to know the truth

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor

They were dead men and they knew it.

But the stories are inconsistent.

The joking account: "Phillips with a laugh changed the signal to 'S.O.S.'" -- http://www.hf.ro/harry_snk.htm

The serious account: "According the transcript this is the first time that "SOS" was sent, so half an hour after the accident and the request of Bride !" -- http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qs...ry-titanic.htm

MG1962 · 16th April 2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Wikipedia is infallible.

Especially when it leads to a non existent article. You really are not fooling anyone. So wanna try it again

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Fixed that for you

Puts hand to ear.......nup still quiet on the Titanic front

But we have to wait for a documentary apparently before we will be allowed to know the truth

I doubt that the documentary will deviate from the official story. It will probably be a whitewash with Stephenson's questions about the iceberg censored.

MG1962 · 16th April 2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I doubt that the documentary will deviate from the official story. It will probably be a whitewash with Stephenson's questions about the iceberg censored.

So why bring it up - Oh thats right.....all part of your little game

Anders Lindman · 16th April 2012, 10:57 PM

If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information.

Matthew Ellard · 16th April 2012, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The media back then must have been super hungry for ANY new image of an iceberg.

Not only are you arguing with yourself (which is really strange to read) but you are now projecting. It is *you* who is desperately seeking anything that you can claim is part of a Titanic conspiracy.

I understand that you included Tesla as Tesla conspiracies are popular and gain you the attention you seek. Indeed, David Bowie recently played very good Tesla and a related conspiracy in The Prestige. which I assume was your inspiration for bring Tesla up in this thread.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/

MRC_Hans · 16th April 2012, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I didn't find any source for Titanic's own log. Only logs recorded by others, such as: http://titanic.gov.ns.ca/wireless-transcript.asp

The log of the Titanic, you know, sort of, .. went down with the ship.

Quote:

The radio operator who survived is who I posted about recently. He is the one who said that the wireless was functioning perfectly and then suggested they should change the distress code to S.O.S.

The wireless was functioning perfectly. People received the signals.

Quote:

I suspect he was ordered to lie after being saved. Or that he wasn't the real personal at all and instead was a passenger on board the Californian pretending to be the radio operator from Titanic.

Yes, and of course none of the surviving officers from the Titanic noticed a stranger posing as a wireless operator.

.....

I'll tell you a secret, Anders:

There was never any Titanic. You see what really happened was that the White Star line couldn't afford to build another ship (after the Olympic). But they had already borrowed the money and used them for running the business, and not the bank was getting restless. So they had the Olympic stand in as the Titanic when it left (the passengers were told they made a port call for a minor repar). Once having left port as the Titanic, the Olympic changed back to its own identity and sailed on its way. All the rest was simply made up. The few celebrity passengers were secretly assassinated (for other reasons), the rest were made up, you know: 'Vicsims'.

....

If you gotta make a 'no ship' CT for Titanic, at least do it properly.

Hans

Tomtomkent · 17th April 2012, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information.

What? You might actually include INFORMATION in your posts?

Tomtomkent · 17th April 2012, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

The log of the Titanic, you know, sort of, .. went down with the ship.

The wireless was functioning perfectly. People received the signals.

Yes, and of course none of the surviving officers from the Titanic noticed a stranger posing as a wireless operator.

.....

I'll tell you a secret, Anders:

There was never any Titanic. You see what really happened was that the White Star line couldn't afford to build another ship (after the Olympic). But they had already borrowed the money and used them for running the business, and not the bank was getting restless. So they had the Olympic stand in as the Titanic when it left (the passengers were told they made a port call for a minor repar). Once having left port as the Titanic, the Olympic changed back to its own identity and sailed on its way. All the rest was simply made up. The few celebrity passengers were secretly assassinated (for other reasons), the rest were made up, you know: 'Vicsims'.

....

If you gotta make a 'no ship' CT for Titanic, at least do it properly.

Hans

Well the officers would have trouble spotting the fake wireless man. I assume anders puts him on the Californian with the fake passengers.

The real crew and passengers were taken aboard the Carpathian.

SezMe · 17th April 2012, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tomtomkent

What? You might actually include INFORMATION in your posts?

Well "speculation" and "information" and "bloviation" all have the same last three characters so they might legitimately be confused. So does "consprititation" but I can't be sure of that one.

mercatormac · 17th April 2012, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Can you name one ship not owned by the same owners as the owners of Titanic where people saw icebergs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Mount_Temple

Jack by the hedge · 17th April 2012, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

...GE was just a pawn. It's the international bankers who plan wars and then fund both sides in the war.

Ah. So now GE didn't plan this evil plot, and it's turtles all the way down.

Are you now admitting that you have absolutely nothing to link GE to the Titanic's sinking beyond the feeble, tenuous news snippet that seven years after Titanic sank GE were approached by the US government to buy out an American subsidiary of the British company which happened to have operated the Titanic's wireless set?

I thought so.

OK. Even if you no longer blame GE, you can still answer the original request: Whether it was plotted in GE's boardroom, NWO headquarters or the Lizard Overlord's mothership, what do you claim their cunning plan consisted of? Make the sales pitch. How would you persuade them to commit Illuminati resources to the plot?

Waiting.

MRC_Hans · 17th April 2012, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tomtomkent

Well the officers would have trouble spotting the fake wireless man. I assume anders puts him on the Californian with the fake passengers.

The real crew and passengers were taken aboard the Carpathian.

Even assuming that, there was the hearings afterwards. The wireless operator appeared for the hearing comittee in full publicity, and nobody noticed that he wasn't the right one? Including his relatives?

You know Anders, good fiction contains one or two basic postulates, but apart from those, the rest needs to make sense. You just make up a lot of random stuff and throw it around.

Hans

aggle-rithm · 17th April 2012, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information.

Just curious, do you believe that there is ANY significant event that isn't planned? Is there some natural law that prevents anything big from happening unless someone planned it?

How do you suppose they planned the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs?

Biscuit · 17th April 2012, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

I didn't find any source for Titanic's own log. Only logs recorded by others, such as: http://titanic.gov.ns.ca/wireless-transcript.asp

And the logs from 24 ships and 6 land stations all corroborate one another.

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

The radio operator who survived is who I posted about recently. He is the one who said that the wireless was functioning perfectly and then suggested they should change the distress code to S.O.S. I suspect he was ordered to lie after being saved. Or that he wasn't the real personal at all and instead was a passenger on board the Californian pretending to be the radio operator from Titanic.

So now you are suggesting that the man named Harold Bishop who survived the sinking and was rescued by the Carpathian with badly frost bitten and crushed feet was actually an impostor on the Californian?

This impostor then gave testimony at multiple inquiries, multiple news articles, and continued to live as Harold Bishop till his death in 1956. Did you know that Mr. Bishop stayed with relatives while in New York after the Titanic sank. I assume his relatives were in on it too.

Your theory has crashed upon the shores of basic reasoning. Time to send out the distress call.

richardm · 17th April 2012, 07:55 AM

This is going back a few pages, but:

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

Another purpose of the Titanic disaster, as one conspiracy researcher I mentioned somewhere else in this thread pointed out, was to boost the aviation industry.

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

"... the Russian Sikorsky Ilya Muromets was the first official passenger aircraft. The Ilya Muromets was a luxurious aircraft with an isolated passenger saloon, wicker chairs, bedroom, lounge and a bathroom. The aircraft also had heating and electrical lighting. The Ilya Muromets first flew on December 10, 1913." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airliner#History

There is a considerable difference between pottering around between St Petersburg and Kiev - a distance of just 635 miles and with a stop in between - and flying across the Atlantic, which is the best part of 2000 miles. Alcock and Brown only just managed it in an aircraft that benefitted from another 6 years of development (and accelerated wartime development to boot). And nobody managed a crossing with paying passengers until 1928, and that was in a bloody airship.

I do try not to be rude but to suggest that the Titanic was deliberately sunk to drum up interest in transatlantic air crossings is <tries not to be rude>

You might as well crash an airliner to try to drum up interest in your orbital holidays.

NB if any airliners do crash on the run-up to Virgin Galactic starting regular flights, then I claim dibs on this conspiracy theory.

Biscuit · 17th April 2012, 07:59 AM

My summary of Anders Conspiracy.

Who: General Electric / Evil bankers

What: Secret plan to increase the value of the Marconi company, start WWI, and lay the ground work for the rise of commercial air travel 4 decades later.

Why: So that GE can pay more to purchase the Marconi Company

When: Spring of 1912

How: Using a complex system of conventional explosives connected to multiple timers and placed inside the body of the Titanic while under construction they would sink the titanic. The timers would be set to go off in an area of travel where icebergs are not common so that the event could be blamed on an iceberg.

mercatormac · 17th April 2012, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information.

If there is a conspiracy concerning the Titanic you may indeed be placing yourself in danger with these people of power and knowledge.
I think you should disconnect your computer from the internet now and never post again.

Dcdrac · 17th April 2012, 08:46 AM

Not before he tells me what priamry records of the event he has read and found to back up this astounding claim, and I mean PRIMARY historical records not the internet, aticles written well after the event nor videos

Tomtomkent · 17th April 2012, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Dcdrac

Not before he tells me what priamry records of the event he has read and found to back up this astounding claim, and I mean PRIMARY historical records not the internet, aticles written well after the event nor videos

You will have a long wait. In another thread he complained something would not be much of a Conspiracy Theory if it had EVIDENCE...

Biscuit · 17th April 2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information.

And just like that the theory ends with a whimper. Lame.

Alferd_Packer · 18th April 2012, 07:40 AM

I was trying to figure out why this thread has grown to 19 pages, then I saw who was posting here.

it's a good thing I have him on ignore.

Ladewig · 19th April 2012, 08:14 PM

Pardon me if this issue has already been addressed. I refuse to read the entirity of this thread:

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman

"The Rothschilds, Morgans and Rockefellers are controlled by the Jesuit Order. The most powerful of families 'do whatever is necessary to destroy constitutional liberty in America and bring the Pope to world domination.'

So, they've been at it for over 100 years and the best they can do is have a Mormon run against a secret Muslim? Yes. It all makes sense now. Papal domination in ... three ... two...

Jack by the hedge · 20th April 2012, 05:26 AM

So there was no ship and the iceberg was hit by a missile?

000063 · 20th April 2012, 06:00 AM

Then, a hundred years later, that missile was taken, recycled, and used on the Pentagon on 9/11.

IT ALL FITS.

Jack by the hedge · 20th April 2012, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by 000063

Then, a hundred years later, that missile was taken, recycled, and used on the Pentagon on 9/11.

IT ALL FITS.

Indeed.

Perhaps a Brimstone missile, manufactured by - wait for it - GEC Marconi! I **** you not!

Coincidence? Ha! This is getting fishier by the minute.

Mojo · 20th April 2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

So there was no ship...

Of course not. It was one of Winston's bogies.

Biscuit · 20th April 2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Indeed.

Perhaps a Brimstone missile, manufactured by - wait for it - GEC Marconi! I **** you not!

Coincidence? Ha! This is getting fishier by the minute.

Thats an anti-tank missile and thus ineffective against titanics, icebergs, trade towers, and pentagons. However if there was a tank in the field in PA we may have solved part of the mystery.

Jack by the hedge · 20th April 2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Of course not. It was one of Winston's bogies.

I heard that.

I've never had it confirmed.

Jack by the hedge · 20th April 2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Biscuit

Thats an anti-tank missile and thus ineffective against titanics, icebergs, trade towers, and pentagons. However if there was a tank in the field in PA we may have solved part of the mystery.

Did you know Marconi anti-tank is an anagram of man on ark Titanic?

Makes you think.

Mojo · 20th April 2012, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

I heard that.

I've never had it confirmed.

The trouble is, you see, bogies are not really seaworthy.

16th April 2012, 10:01 PM	#722
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,218	Originally Posted by MG1962 There was a lot of time spent on this during the US inquiry and the Titanic's crew did see at least one ship. The first lifeboats were ordered to row to the lights, unload and come back. This is definitely one of the true mysteries of that night I don't think so. The sightings were almost certainly of the Californian, or reflections of her lights. Though the flares fired by one of the boats were also mistaken for ships lights.If im wrong thanks for the correction, i will overcomplicate future responses to be even more confusing...
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16th April 2012, 11:38 PM	#735
Matthew Ellard Muse Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 916	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The media back then must have been super hungry for ANY new image of an iceberg. Not only are you arguing with yourself (which is really strange to read) but you are now projecting. It is you who is desperately seeking anything that you can claim is part of a Titanic conspiracy. I understand that you included Tesla as Tesla conspiracies are popular and gain you the attention you seek. Indeed, David Bowie recently played very good Tesla and a related conspiracy in The Prestige. which I assume was your inspiration for bring Tesla up in this thread. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482571/
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16th April 2012, 11:49 PM	#736
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I didn't find any source for Titanic's own log. Only logs recorded by others, such as: http://titanic.gov.ns.ca/wireless-transcript.asp The log of the Titanic, you know, sort of, .. went down with the ship. Quote: The radio operator who survived is who I posted about recently. He is the one who said that the wireless was functioning perfectly and then suggested they should change the distress code to S.O.S. The wireless was functioning perfectly. People received the signals. Quote: I suspect he was ordered to lie after being saved. Or that he wasn't the real personal at all and instead was a passenger on board the Californian pretending to be the radio operator from Titanic. Yes, and of course none of the surviving officers from the Titanic noticed a stranger posing as a wireless operator. ..... I'll tell you a secret, Anders: There was never any Titanic. You see what really happened was that the White Star line couldn't afford to build another ship (after the Olympic). But they had already borrowed the money and used them for running the business, and not the bank was getting restless. So they had the Olympic stand in as the Titanic when it left (the passengers were told they made a port call for a minor repar). Once having left port as the Titanic, the Olympic changed back to its own identity and sailed on its way. All the rest was simply made up. The few celebrity passengers were secretly assassinated (for other reasons), the rest were made up, you know: 'Vicsims'. .... If you gotta make a 'no ship' CT for Titanic, at least do it properly. Hans
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17th April 2012, 12:05 AM	#737
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,218	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information. What? You might actually include INFORMATION in your posts?
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17th April 2012, 12:09 AM	#738
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,218	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans The log of the Titanic, you know, sort of, .. went down with the ship. The wireless was functioning perfectly. People received the signals. Yes, and of course none of the surviving officers from the Titanic noticed a stranger posing as a wireless operator. ..... I'll tell you a secret, Anders: There was never any Titanic. You see what really happened was that the White Star line couldn't afford to build another ship (after the Olympic). But they had already borrowed the money and used them for running the business, and not the bank was getting restless. So they had the Olympic stand in as the Titanic when it left (the passengers were told they made a port call for a minor repar). Once having left port as the Titanic, the Olympic changed back to its own identity and sailed on its way. All the rest was simply made up. The few celebrity passengers were secretly assassinated (for other reasons), the rest were made up, you know: 'Vicsims'. .... If you gotta make a 'no ship' CT for Titanic, at least do it properly. Hans Well the officers would have trouble spotting the fake wireless man. I assume anders puts him on the Californian with the fake passengers. The real crew and passengers were taken aboard the Carpathian.
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16th April 2012, 10:00 PM	#721
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman "The story of the International Mercantile Marine Company, a mammoth and "ill-conceived venture," begins in many ways with the Atlantic Transport Line. ... The time seemed right for creating a shipping trust and Griscom had access to capital through J. P. Morgan. Griscom, Morgan, and Baker talked for six months until December 1900, when Baker agreed to the first step — merging the Atlantic Transport Line into the International Navigation Company. ... J.P. Morgan & Co. announced the details of the trust's organization on October 1, 1902. Named the International Mercantile Marine Company" -- http://www.atlantictransportline.us/...#ixzz1sGnDj9Fr Sorry why did you leave Technically a holding company under which "subsidiary lines will be permitted full liberty in managing their own affairs" Out of your quote? You wouldn't be twisting things to suit now would you?

16th April 2012, 10:18 PM	#723
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by MG1962 For what purpose other than to increase your post count. What does it matter if the Titanic sent SOS CQD or LOL Do you know why the code was in the process of being changed from CQD to SOS? No, I don't know why it was in the process of being changed. Titanic sending both signals is perhaps valid but that they joked about it sounds weird. Even if they believed they were safe, hadn't the engines on Titanic stopped by then? Wouldn't they have been worried? Here is an account where no joking is mentioned, and it also said that Phillips continued to send CQD: "At 12:15 AM the captain returned at the radio room and told the operators to send the message. Phillips sent in his spark gap transmitter : "CQD Titanic 41.46 N 50.24 W" when Bride interrupted him : "Send S.O.S. ! It's the new call and it may be your last chance to send it". But faithful to Marconi's rules, Phillips continue sending CQD." -- http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qs...ry-titanic.htm According to the above source it wasn't until much later where SOS was used: "At 12:45 "Olympic", MKC, the sister ship of "Titanic" located 800 km (500 miles) away en route to England heard "Titanic" sending "CQD CQD SOS Titanic. Position 41.44 N 50.24 W.". But it seems that "Olympic" didn't answer or didn't hear her call. According the transcript this is the first time that "SOS" was sent, so half an hour after the accident and the request of Bride !"

16th April 2012, 10:30 PM	#724
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by MG1962 Sorry why did you leave Technically a holding company under which "subsidiary lines will be permitted full liberty in managing their own affairs" Out of your quote? You wouldn't be twisting things to suit now would you? "The role of Morgan had greatly evolved over the years. Being American, he could not own British ships, however, he took advantage of loopholes and the fact he owned the company that owned the ship itself to ensure his power to own the ships." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co.

16th April 2012, 10:33 PM	#725
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman No, I don't know why it was in the process of being changed. http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/sos.asp Quote: Titanic sending both signals is perhaps valid but that they joked about it sounds weird. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor They were dead men and they knew it.

16th April 2012, 10:35 PM	#726
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman "The role of Morgan had greatly evolved over the years. Being American, he could not own British ships, however, he took advantage of loopholes and the fact he owned the company that owned the ship itself to ensure his power to own the ships." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co. Prove it

16th April 2012, 10:37 PM	#727
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Y'all have outdated knowledge. Here is the recent understanding: 'The complete imagery won't be made public until the History Channel airs the documentary on the expedition in April. But Stephenson hints that there will be some startling new revelations. "I think what we've found challenges even some of the most basic questions," Stephenson says. "Such as, did the Titanic even hit the iceberg? The evidence brings up additional information that we just didn't have before and some of the results have been surprising."' --http://gma.yahoo.com/titanic-map-shows-entire-crime-scene-225903961--abc-news.html

16th April 2012, 10:38 PM	#728
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by MG1962 Prove it Wikipedia is infallible.

16th April 2012, 10:42 PM	#729
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Y'all have outdated knowledge. Here is the recent ~~understanding:~~ speculation Fixed that for you Quote: 'The complete imagery won't be made public until the History Channel airs the documentary on the expedition in April. But Stephenson hints that there will be some startling new revelations. Puts hand to ear.......nup still quiet on the Titanic front Quote: "I think what we've found challenges even some of the most basic questions," Stephenson says. "Such as, did the Titanic even hit the iceberg? The evidence brings up additional information that we just didn't have before and some of the results have been surprising."' --http://gma.yahoo.com/titanic-map-shows-entire-crime-scene-225903961--abc-news.html But we have to wait for a documentary apparently before we will be allowed to know the truth

16th April 2012, 10:43 PM	#730
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by MG1962 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor They were dead men and they knew it. But the stories are inconsistent. The joking account: "Phillips with a laugh changed the signal to 'S.O.S.'" -- http://www.hf.ro/harry_snk.htm The serious account: "According the transcript this is the first time that "SOS" was sent, so half an hour after the accident and the request of Bride !" -- http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qs...ry-titanic.htm

16th April 2012, 10:43 PM	#731
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Wikipedia is infallible. Especially when it leads to a non existent article. You really are not fooling anyone. So wanna try it again

16th April 2012, 10:45 PM	#732
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	Originally Posted by MG1962 Fixed that for you Puts hand to ear.......nup still quiet on the Titanic front But we have to wait for a documentary apparently before we will be allowed to know the truth I doubt that the documentary will deviate from the official story. It will probably be a whitewash with Stephenson's questions about the iceberg censored.

16th April 2012, 10:56 PM	#733
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I doubt that the documentary will deviate from the official story. It will probably be a whitewash with Stephenson's questions about the iceberg censored. So why bring it up - Oh thats right.....all part of your little game

16th April 2012, 10:57 PM	#734
Anders Lindman Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 9,289	If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information.

17th April 2012, 01:39 AM	#739
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,367	Originally Posted by Tomtomkent What? You might actually include INFORMATION in your posts? Well "speculation" and "information" and "bloviation" all have the same last three characters so they might legitimately be confused. So does "consprititation" but I can't be sure of that one.

17th April 2012, 02:02 AM	#740
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 109	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Can you name one ship not owned by the same owners as the owners of Titanic where people saw icebergs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Mount_Temple
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17th April 2012, 02:02 AM	#741
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,421	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman ...GE was just a pawn. It's the international bankers who plan wars and then fund both sides in the war. Ah. So now GE didn't plan this evil plot, and it's turtles all the way down. Are you now admitting that you have absolutely nothing to link GE to the Titanic's sinking beyond the feeble, tenuous news snippet that seven years after Titanic sank GE were approached by the US government to buy out an American subsidiary of the British company which happened to have operated the Titanic's wireless set? I thought so. OK. Even if you no longer blame GE, you can still answer the original request: Whether it was plotted in GE's boardroom, NWO headquarters or the Lizard Overlord's mothership, what do you claim their cunning plan consisted of? Make the sales pitch. How would you persuade them to commit Illuminati resources to the plot? Waiting.
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17th April 2012, 04:49 AM	#742
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by Tomtomkent Well the officers would have trouble spotting the fake wireless man. I assume anders puts him on the Californian with the fake passengers. The real crew and passengers were taken aboard the Carpathian. Even assuming that, there was the hearings afterwards. The wireless operator appeared for the hearing comittee in full publicity, and nobody noticed that he wasn't the right one? Including his relatives? You know Anders, good fiction contains one or two basic postulates, but apart from those, the rest needs to make sense. You just make up a lot of random stuff and throw it around. Hans
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17th April 2012, 05:11 AM	#743
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,153	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information. Just curious, do you believe that there is ANY significant event that isn't planned? Is there some natural law that prevents anything big from happening unless someone planned it? How do you suppose they planned the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs?
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17th April 2012, 07:47 AM	#744
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,770	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman I didn't find any source for Titanic's own log. Only logs recorded by others, such as: http://titanic.gov.ns.ca/wireless-transcript.asp And the logs from 24 ships and 6 land stations all corroborate one another. Originally Posted by Anders Lindman The radio operator who survived is who I posted about recently. He is the one who said that the wireless was functioning perfectly and then suggested they should change the distress code to S.O.S. I suspect he was ordered to lie after being saved. Or that he wasn't the real personal at all and instead was a passenger on board the Californian pretending to be the radio operator from Titanic. So now you are suggesting that the man named Harold Bishop who survived the sinking and was rescued by the Carpathian with badly frost bitten and crushed feet was actually an impostor on the Californian? This impostor then gave testimony at multiple inquiries, multiple news articles, and continued to live as Harold Bishop till his death in 1956. Did you know that Mr. Bishop stayed with relatives while in New York after the Titanic sank. I assume his relatives were in on it too. Your theory has crashed upon the shores of basic reasoning. Time to send out the distress call.
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17th April 2012, 07:55 AM	#745
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	This is going back a few pages, but: Originally Posted by Anders Lindman Another purpose of the Titanic disaster, as one conspiracy researcher I mentioned somewhere else in this thread pointed out, was to boost the aviation industry. Originally Posted by Anders Lindman "... the Russian Sikorsky Ilya Muromets was the first official passenger aircraft. The Ilya Muromets was a luxurious aircraft with an isolated passenger saloon, wicker chairs, bedroom, lounge and a bathroom. The aircraft also had heating and electrical lighting. The Ilya Muromets first flew on December 10, 1913." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airliner#History There is a considerable difference between pottering around between St Petersburg and Kiev - a distance of just 635 miles and with a stop in between - and flying across the Atlantic, which is the best part of 2000 miles. Alcock and Brown only just managed it in an aircraft that benefitted from another 6 years of development (and accelerated wartime development to boot). And nobody managed a crossing with paying passengers until 1928, and that was in a bloody airship. I do try not to be rude but to suggest that the Titanic was deliberately sunk to drum up interest in transatlantic air crossings is <tries not to be rude> You might as well crash an airliner to try to drum up interest in your orbital holidays. NB if any airliners do crash on the run-up to Virgin Galactic starting regular flights, then I claim dibs on this conspiracy theory.
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17th April 2012, 07:59 AM	#746
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,770	My summary of Anders Conspiracy. Who: General Electric / Evil bankers What: Secret plan to increase the value of the Marconi company, start WWI, and lay the ground work for the rise of commercial air travel 4 decades later. Why: So that GE can pay more to purchase the Marconi Company When: Spring of 1912 How: Using a complex system of conventional explosives connected to multiple timers and placed inside the body of the Titanic while under construction they would sink the titanic. The timers would be set to go off in an area of travel where icebergs are not common so that the event could be blamed on an iceberg.
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17th April 2012, 08:27 AM	#747
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 109	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information. If there is a conspiracy concerning the Titanic you may indeed be placing yourself in danger with these people of power and knowledge. I think you should disconnect your computer from the internet now and never post again.
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17th April 2012, 08:46 AM	#748
Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,673	Not before he tells me what priamry records of the event he has read and found to back up this astounding claim, and I mean PRIMARY historical records not the internet, aticles written well after the event nor videos
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17th April 2012, 09:14 AM	#749
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,218	Originally Posted by Dcdrac Not before he tells me what priamry records of the event he has read and found to back up this astounding claim, and I mean PRIMARY historical records not the internet, aticles written well after the event nor videos You will have a long wait. In another thread he complained something would not be much of a Conspiracy Theory if it had EVIDENCE...
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17th April 2012, 09:55 AM	#750
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,770	Originally Posted by Anders Lindman If there is a conspiracy involved with the Titanic then surely many people in higher position of power and knowledge already know about it. So I think I have posted enough about the Titanic disaster by now. May post some more later if I find any new information. And just like that the theory ends with a whimper. Lame.
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18th April 2012, 07:40 AM	#751
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,221	I was trying to figure out why this thread has grown to 19 pages, then I saw who was posting here. it's a good thing I have him on ignore.
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19th April 2012, 08:14 PM	#752
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,820	Pardon me if this issue has already been addressed. I refuse to read the entirity of this thread: Originally Posted by Anders Lindman "The Rothschilds, Morgans and Rockefellers are controlled by the Jesuit Order. The most powerful of families 'do whatever is necessary to destroy constitutional liberty in America and bring the Pope to world domination.' So, they've been at it for over 100 years and the best they can do is have a Mormon run against a secret Muslim? Yes. It all makes sense now. Papal domination in ... three ... two...
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20th April 2012, 05:26 AM	#753
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,421	So there was no ship and the iceberg was hit by a missile?

20th April 2012, 06:00 AM	#754
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,736	Then, a hundred years later, that missile was taken, recycled, and used on the Pentagon on 9/11. IT ALL FITS.
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20th April 2012, 01:11 PM	#755
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,421	Originally Posted by 000063 Then, a hundred years later, that missile was taken, recycled, and used on the Pentagon on 9/11. IT ALL FITS. Indeed. Perhaps a Brimstone missile, manufactured by - wait for it - GEC Marconi! I **** you not! Coincidence? Ha! This is getting fishier by the minute.