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Macgyver1968 · 17th April 2012, 07:32 PM

Kitty sees a hole in your theory

Mudcat · 17th April 2012, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Kitty sees a hole in your theory
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46946106/donutcat.jpg

Who is this in response to?

Macgyver1968 · 17th April 2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

Who is this in response to?

Who do you think...SHC!

Mudcat · 17th April 2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Who do you think...SHC!

That's what I thought. Just teaching SHC the finer point of context... one of several ~~hundred~~ ~~thousand~~ million basic ideas they seem to have trouble grasping

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

Evidence for what? That HAARP isn't capable of any one of an infinite number of alternatives to it's stated capabilities?

Sorry. Not our obligation.

Translation:

"We don't really know what HAARP is capable of."

Thanks, and come again.

Sword_Of_Truth · 17th April 2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Translation:

"We don't really know what HAARP is capable of."

Thanks, and come again.

What part of "IS NOT" are you having a hard time with?

Mudcat · 17th April 2012, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Translation:

"We don't really know what HAARP is capable of."

Thanks, and come again.

We know what it is and is not capable of, if you think you know what else it's capable of than state what it is, how it works this way and your evidence for this.

Well? What are you waiting for? Get to it! Now!

Macgyver1968 · 17th April 2012, 08:19 PM

Using logic and reasoning vs. a CT'er is like using regular bullets against a werewolf. While they are effective against normal people. ...They just pass right through and are completely unnoticed with a CT'er.

LSSBB · 17th April 2012, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Using logic and reasoning vs. a CT'er is like using regular bullets against a werewolf. While they are effective against normal people. ...They just pass right through and are completely unnoticed with a CT'er.

I don't know, they can't seem to see themselves in a mirror either, that's a vampire characteristic.

fess · 17th April 2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Still no evidence for anything you are claiming.

HAARP is this! HAARP is that! I'm an engineer! I'm a scientist! We know because we know! Knowledge of physics gives us E.S.P.!

Your delusions of grandeur do not represent an adequate replacement for cold, hard evidence.

Got any?

What, in your own words, gives you the right to claim that well educated individuals, (some of which are experts in their field of work) have offered no evidence? What is your level of education? What, outside of hand waving are you an expert at?

Before you go about telling everyone how wrong they are, tell us what leads you to this conclusion. You cannot do this because you don’t have the education to do so. How do I know this? I, along with other posters have read your outlandish, absurd, meaningless replies to those who are educated in relative fields being discussed. Not to mention your childish name calling tactics.

oody · 17th April 2012, 09:36 PM

HAARP may be beaming signals to a teapot which is in orbit somewhere between Earth and Mars, to keep it piping hot.

abaddon · 17th April 2012, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Translation:

"We don't really know what HAARP is capable of."

Thanks, and come again.

Have you ever designed a phased array?

I have.

Bet you have not.

IdiotWhacker · 17th April 2012, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Still no evidence for anything you are claiming.

HAARP is this! HAARP is that! I'm an engineer! I'm a scientist! We know because we know! Knowledge of physics gives us E.S.P.!

Your delusions of grandeur do not represent an adequate replacement for cold, hard evidence.

Got any?

Here is a problem SHC you've been given the floor to make your case viable, since you've been saying well
your talk point Some people have already achknowledge that it could be a possbility if your willing to provide this detail mechanism, mathematics, and your reason for us to address this point. What you've done is speculation and it not as much accurate as my saying your an oro operative. Even in debate stance your own thing is conjecture without provenance. Why should we provide evidence when the evidence of providing will be subjected to handwaving and ridicule as you always do?

Mudcat · 17th April 2012, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by oody

HAARP may be beaming signals to a teapot which is in orbit somewhere between Earth and Mars, to keep it piping hot.

Well played.

Checkmite · 17th April 2012, 10:00 PM

We have photos of HAARP; they show antennas, and we know what antennas can and cannot do.

Is there any reason to believe the photos are fake? If not, then I don't see what the point of protracting this argument is. Photographs showing antennas is more evidence for the "government claim" being true than exists suggesting it's a lie.

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Have you ever designed a phased array?

I have.

Bet you have not.

Do you have any proof?

Pics or it didn't happen.

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

We have photos of HAARP; they show antennas, and we know what antennas can and cannot do.

Maybe you do, maybe you don't.

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Is there any reason to believe the photos are fake?

Is there any reason to believe the photos are real, or tell the whole story about HAARP?

I don't think so.

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If not, then I don't see what the point of protracting this argument is. Photographs showing antennas is more evidence for the "government claim" being true than exists suggesting it's a lie.

Not necessarily, as the antennas could be serving as a decoy to hide something else.

You don't know, you only think you do.

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Is there any reason to believe the photos are real, or tell the whole story about HAARP?

Yep.

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

Yep.

Nope.

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Nope.

Then why are you running from questions?

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by fess

What, in your own words, gives you the right to claim that well educated individuals, (some of which are experts in their field of work) have offered no evidence?

Do you have any evidence for these claims? Any Tom, Dick, and Harry can claim they are an expert.

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What is your level of education? What, outside of hand waving are you an expert at?

Irrelevant logical fallacy. My level of education has no bearing on whether or not HAARP could be something other than what it is portrayed to be.

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Before you go about telling everyone how wrong they are, tell us what leads you to this conclusion.

Easy, because none of you have provided any credible evidence for your claims. You simply say, "HAARP isn't and can't be a weapon of any type. Why? Because I say so! I'm an expert!".

That B.S. isn't going to work here.

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You cannot do this because you don’t have the education to do so.

Well, I just did it and I am going to keep doing it. Your arguments are without merit.

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How do I know this? I, along with other posters have read your outlandish, absurd, meaningless replies to those who are educated in relative fields being discussed.

Proof?

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Not to mention your childish name calling tactics.

What about when your cohorts call me names? Does that bother you? Or is it only a one-way street?

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Easy, because none of you have provided any credible evidence for your claims.

What evidence would be credible?

Checkmite · 17th April 2012, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Maybe you do, maybe you don't.

No, we do. There's no magical hidden capability of radio antennas that the University of Alaska scientists are employing that the rest of the world hasn't discovered yet.

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Is there any reason to believe the photos are real, or tell the whole story about HAARP?

Anybody can literally walk up to HAARP and see there's nothing there that isn't in the photos. They can even take their own photos if they desire. Do you understand that there's nothing at HAARP but a field of antennas and a single three-room building? It's not like we're talking about a complex or base of some kind here that would be capable of hiding something large; and there's still the matter of no security personnel, armed or otherwise, at the facility.

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Not necessarily, as the antennas could be serving as a decoy to hide something else.

You don't know, you only think you do.

Well if they're not really antennas then they can't emit diabolical radio signals anyway; so it seems you have even less to worry about, don't you?

The antennas are pretty skinny. Unless you're proposing that Bugs Bunny is hiding behind one of them, I'm not sure how you imagine anything is "hiding" in there.

Again, there's photographic evidence that it's nothing but antennas. Any evidence it's something more?

000063 · 17th April 2012, 11:35 PM

Wait for it; "Show me your evidence, and I'll tell you if it's credible."

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

What evidence would be credible?

I'll take a look at it and let you know.

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by 000063

Wait for it; "Show me your evidence, and I'll tell you if it's credible."

Yeah that's usually how people will dodge that question. It's amazing how cters are terrified to answer it.

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

No, we do. There's no magical hidden capability of radio antennas that the University of Alaska scientists are employing that the rest of the world hasn't discovered yet.

You don't know that. You might not be privy to certain, unknown technological advances. You're just speculating based on limited information.

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Anybody can literally walk up to HAARP and see there's nothing there that isn't in the photos.

Really? You mean you have Superman's X-ray vision and can see underground?

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They can even take their own photos if they desire. Do you understand that there's nothing at HAARP but a field of antennas and a single three-room building?

That's what we are told anyway.

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It's not like we're talking about a complex or base of some kind here that would be capable of hiding something large; and there's still the matter of no security personnel, armed or otherwise, at the facility.

Nothing openly visible anyway.

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Well if they're not really antennas then they can't emit diabolical radio signals anyway; so it seems you have even less to worry about, don't you?

Not necessarily, as HAARP may have as-of-yet unannounced capabilities.

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The antennas are pretty skinny. Unless you're proposing that Bugs Bunny is hiding behind one of them, I'm not sure how you imagine anything is "hiding" in there.

Again, there's photographic evidence that it's nothing but antennas. Any evidence it's something more?

Photographs can be deceiving. They won't reveal hidden details or underground facilities.

Face it, you're still just speculating, as I am.

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

I'll take a look at it and let you know.

& there he goes!

Sorry, that's not going to work. Stop running from the question & provide an example of what evidence you would consider credible.

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

Sorry, that's not going to work. Stop running from the question & provide an example of what evidence you would consider credible.

I don't know, as there may be evidence out there I am unaware of. Show me what you have and I'll let you know.

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Photographs can be deceiving. They won't reveal hidden details or underground facilities.

Then why did you ask abandon for photographs?

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

Then why did you ask abandon for photographs?

Because he claimed he designed a phased array, a claim which anyone who can construct a sentence can make. I want to see pictures of his specific design. It won't prove he actually designed it, but it's better than just empty words.

Redtail · 17th April 2012, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

I don't know, as there may be evidence out there I am unaware of. Show me what you have and I'll let you know.

Why are you so afraid of this question shc?

You claim that no one has shown credible evidence but you can't even say what credible evidence is! LOL!

SpringHallConvert · 17th April 2012, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

Why are you so afraid of this question shc?

You claim that no one has shown credible evidence but you can't even say what credible evidence is! LOL!

The same reason you are so afraid of showing evidence.

Mudcat · 17th April 2012, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Face it, you're still just speculating, as I am.

How? All we need is a basic understanding of physics to understand just why the claims of "HAARP being more sinister than we've been lead to believe" are all bogus.

We've told you just some of the known laws of physics which dispute it, and still you want to keep making the same tired appeal to magic? Why, exactly?

Redtail · 18th April 2012, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Because he claimed he designed a phased array, a claim which anyone who can construct a sentence can make. I want to see pictures of his specific design. It won't prove he actually designed it, but it's better than just empty words.

So you want him to provide pics as proof, but even if he does it isn't proof...

No wonder you're afraid to state what credible evidence is.

Redtail · 18th April 2012, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

The same reason you are so afraid of showing evidence.

So all you have left is the "I'm rubber & you're glue" defense?

Bwaaaaahahahaha!

Do you even have a general definition of credible evidence?

Or are you afraid to answer that question too?

nomuse · 18th April 2012, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Translation:

"We don't really know what HAARP is capable of."

Thanks, and come again.

I don't really know what jelly donuts are capable of. They could be spying on me right now, planning on flying in through my mouth and stealing my waistline while I sleep.

To invert Sherlock Holmes, when nothing is improbable, everything is possible.

nomuse · 18th April 2012, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Do you have any proof?

Pics or it didn't happen.

Pictures can be faked.

Please demonstrate that there is any reasonable limit beyond which your conspiracy is unable to go.

Checkmite · 18th April 2012, 12:12 AM

HAARP under construction, from the University of Alaska's website:

Aerial view of HAARP from a conspiracy theorist website:

Another image by a private source:

All these images from different sources all manage to show the same thing - an array of antennas. No "secret beam weapons" hid anywhere in there amongst the masts. No reason to believe any of these photos was doctored to hide weapons or other devices. Anybody can take their own photos and verify the presence and composition of the array themselves.

nomuse · 18th April 2012, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert

Because he claimed he designed a phased array, a claim which anyone who can construct a sentence can make. I want to see pictures of his specific design. It won't prove he actually designed it, but it's better than just empty words.

I know a little about radio (its part of my job). Nothing he has said so far has allowed me to catch him out as a faker. He is using the terminology correctly, shows comfort with the material.

This means zilch-all to you, of course, since you don't know me either. But I offer it as why I think he is speaking sense and you are micturating up a twisted strand of fibrous material.

Which is to say (since you keep coming back to some variant of this) I don't "believe in the official story" about HAARP because I was watching ABC last night (don't own a television anyhow). I am at least partly convinced by the analysis of someone who shares vocational skills with me and whose work therefor I have reason to trust.

17th April 2012, 07:32 PM	#281
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,610	Kitty sees a hole in your theory
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17th April 2012, 07:38 PM	#282
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,685	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Kitty sees a hole in your theory http://dl.dropbox.com/u/46946106/donutcat.jpg Who is this in response to?
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17th April 2012, 07:45 PM	#283
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,610	Originally Posted by Mudcat Who is this in response to? Who do you think...SHC!
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17th April 2012, 07:50 PM	#284
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,685	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Who do you think...SHC! That's what I thought. Just teaching SHC the finer point of context... one of several ~~hundred~~ ~~thousand~~ million basic ideas they seem to have trouble grasping
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17th April 2012, 08:18 PM	#287
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,685	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Translation: "We don't really know what HAARP is capable of." Thanks, and come again. We know what it is and is not capable of, if you think you know what else it's capable of than state what it is, how it works this way and your evidence for this. Well? What are you waiting for? Get to it! Now!
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17th April 2012, 08:07 PM	#285
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd Evidence for what? That HAARP isn't capable of any one of an infinite number of alternatives to it's stated capabilities? Sorry. Not our obligation. Translation: "We don't really know what HAARP is capable of." Thanks, and come again.

17th April 2012, 08:15 PM	#286
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Translation: "We don't really know what HAARP is capable of." Thanks, and come again. What part of "IS NOT" are you having a hard time with?

17th April 2012, 08:19 PM	#288
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,610	Using logic and reasoning vs. a CT'er is like using regular bullets against a werewolf. While they are effective against normal people. ...They just pass right through and are completely unnoticed with a CT'er.
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17th April 2012, 08:59 PM	#289
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,492	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Using logic and reasoning vs. a CT'er is like using regular bullets against a werewolf. While they are effective against normal people. ...They just pass right through and are completely unnoticed with a CT'er. I don't know, they can't seem to see themselves in a mirror either, that's a vampire characteristic.
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17th April 2012, 09:32 PM	#290
fess Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Hiding in the sticks. Posts: 1,041	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Still no evidence for anything you are claiming. HAARP is this! HAARP is that! I'm an engineer! I'm a scientist! We know because we know! Knowledge of physics gives us E.S.P.! Your delusions of grandeur do not represent an adequate replacement for cold, hard evidence. Got any? What, in your own words, gives you the right to claim that well educated individuals, (some of which are experts in their field of work) have offered no evidence? What is your level of education? What, outside of hand waving are you an expert at? Before you go about telling everyone how wrong they are, tell us what leads you to this conclusion. You cannot do this because you don’t have the education to do so. How do I know this? I, along with other posters have read your outlandish, absurd, meaningless replies to those who are educated in relative fields being discussed. Not to mention your childish name calling tactics.
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17th April 2012, 09:36 PM	#291
oody Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 929	HAARP may be beaming signals to a teapot which is in orbit somewhere between Earth and Mars, to keep it piping hot.

17th April 2012, 09:41 PM	#292
abaddon Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,574	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Translation: "We don't really know what HAARP is capable of." Thanks, and come again. Have you ever designed a phased array? I have. Bet you have not.
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17th April 2012, 09:44 PM	#293
IdiotWhacker Thinker Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 186	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Still no evidence for anything you are claiming. HAARP is this! HAARP is that! I'm an engineer! I'm a scientist! We know because we know! Knowledge of physics gives us E.S.P.! Your delusions of grandeur do not represent an adequate replacement for cold, hard evidence. Got any? Here is a problem SHC you've been given the floor to make your case viable, since you've been saying well your talk point Some people have already achknowledge that it could be a possbility if your willing to provide this detail mechanism, mathematics, and your reason for us to address this point. What you've done is speculation and it not as much accurate as my saying your an oro operative. Even in debate stance your own thing is conjecture without provenance. Why should we provide evidence when the evidence of providing will be subjected to handwaving and ridicule as you always do?
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17th April 2012, 09:46 PM	#294
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,685	Originally Posted by oody HAARP may be beaming signals to a teapot which is in orbit somewhere between Earth and Mars, to keep it piping hot. Well played.
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17th April 2012, 10:00 PM	#295
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,879	We have photos of HAARP; they show antennas, and we know what antennas can and cannot do. Is there any reason to believe the photos are fake? If not, then I don't see what the point of protracting this argument is. Photographs showing antennas is more evidence for the "government claim" being true than exists suggesting it's a lie.
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17th April 2012, 11:10 PM	#296
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by abaddon Have you ever designed a phased array? I have. Bet you have not. Do you have any proof? Pics or it didn't happen.

17th April 2012, 11:12 PM	#297
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Checkmite We have photos of HAARP; they show antennas, and we know what antennas can and cannot do. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Quote: Is there any reason to believe the photos are fake? Is there any reason to believe the photos are real, or tell the whole story about HAARP? I don't think so. Quote: If not, then I don't see what the point of protracting this argument is. Photographs showing antennas is more evidence for the "government claim" being true than exists suggesting it's a lie. Not necessarily, as the antennas could be serving as a decoy to hide something else. You don't know, you only think you do.

17th April 2012, 11:14 PM	#298
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Is there any reason to believe the photos are real, or tell the whole story about HAARP? Yep.
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17th April 2012, 11:16 PM	#299
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Redtail Yep. Nope.

17th April 2012, 11:21 PM	#300
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Nope. Then why are you running from questions?
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17th April 2012, 11:24 PM	#301
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by fess What, in your own words, gives you the right to claim that well educated individuals, (some of which are experts in their field of work) have offered no evidence? Do you have any evidence for these claims? Any Tom, Dick, and Harry can claim they are an expert. Quote: What is your level of education? What, outside of hand waving are you an expert at? Irrelevant logical fallacy. My level of education has no bearing on whether or not HAARP could be something other than what it is portrayed to be. Quote: Before you go about telling everyone how wrong they are, tell us what leads you to this conclusion. Easy, because none of you have provided any credible evidence for your claims. You simply say, "HAARP isn't and can't be a weapon of any type. Why? Because I say so! I'm an expert!". That B.S. isn't going to work here. Quote: You cannot do this because you don’t have the education to do so. Well, I just did it and I am going to keep doing it. Your arguments are without merit. Quote: How do I know this? I, along with other posters have read your outlandish, absurd, meaningless replies to those who are educated in relative fields being discussed. Proof? Quote: Not to mention your childish name calling tactics. What about when your cohorts call me names? Does that bother you? Or is it only a one-way street?

17th April 2012, 11:30 PM	#302
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Easy, because none of you have provided any credible evidence for your claims. What evidence would be credible?
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17th April 2012, 11:34 PM	#303
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,879	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Maybe you do, maybe you don't. No, we do. There's no magical hidden capability of radio antennas that the University of Alaska scientists are employing that the rest of the world hasn't discovered yet. Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Is there any reason to believe the photos are real, or tell the whole story about HAARP? Anybody can literally walk up to HAARP and see there's nothing there that isn't in the photos. They can even take their own photos if they desire. Do you understand that there's nothing at HAARP but a field of antennas and a single three-room building? It's not like we're talking about a complex or base of some kind here that would be capable of hiding something large; and there's still the matter of no security personnel, armed or otherwise, at the facility. Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Not necessarily, as the antennas could be serving as a decoy to hide something else. You don't know, you only think you do. Well if they're not really antennas then they can't emit diabolical radio signals anyway; so it seems you have even less to worry about, don't you? The antennas are pretty skinny. Unless you're proposing that Bugs Bunny is hiding behind one of them, I'm not sure how you imagine anything is "hiding" in there. Again, there's photographic evidence that it's nothing but antennas. Any evidence it's something more?
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17th April 2012, 11:35 PM	#304
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,735	Wait for it; "Show me your evidence, and I'll tell you if it's credible."
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17th April 2012, 11:40 PM	#305
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Redtail What evidence would be credible? I'll take a look at it and let you know.

17th April 2012, 11:42 PM	#306
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by 000063 Wait for it; "Show me your evidence, and I'll tell you if it's credible." Yeah that's usually how people will dodge that question. It's amazing how cters are terrified to answer it.
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17th April 2012, 11:46 PM	#307
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Checkmite No, we do. There's no magical hidden capability of radio antennas that the University of Alaska scientists are employing that the rest of the world hasn't discovered yet. You don't know that. You might not be privy to certain, unknown technological advances. You're just speculating based on limited information. Quote: Anybody can literally walk up to HAARP and see there's nothing there that isn't in the photos. Really? You mean you have Superman's X-ray vision and can see underground? Quote: They can even take their own photos if they desire. Do you understand that there's nothing at HAARP but a field of antennas and a single three-room building? That's what we are told anyway. Quote: It's not like we're talking about a complex or base of some kind here that would be capable of hiding something large; and there's still the matter of no security personnel, armed or otherwise, at the facility. Nothing openly visible anyway. Quote: Well if they're not really antennas then they can't emit diabolical radio signals anyway; so it seems you have even less to worry about, don't you? Not necessarily, as HAARP may have as-of-yet unannounced capabilities. Quote: The antennas are pretty skinny. Unless you're proposing that Bugs Bunny is hiding behind one of them, I'm not sure how you imagine anything is "hiding" in there. Again, there's photographic evidence that it's nothing but antennas. Any evidence it's something more? Photographs can be deceiving. They won't reveal hidden details or underground facilities. Face it, you're still just speculating, as I am.

17th April 2012, 11:47 PM	#308
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert I'll take a look at it and let you know. & there he goes! Sorry, that's not going to work. Stop running from the question & provide an example of what evidence you would consider credible.
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17th April 2012, 11:48 PM	#309
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Redtail Sorry, that's not going to work. Stop running from the question & provide an example of what evidence you would consider credible. I don't know, as there may be evidence out there I am unaware of. Show me what you have and I'll let you know.

17th April 2012, 11:50 PM	#310
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Photographs can be deceiving. They won't reveal hidden details or underground facilities. Then why did you ask abandon for photographs?
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17th April 2012, 11:55 PM	#311
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Redtail Then why did you ask abandon for photographs? Because he claimed he designed a phased array, a claim which anyone who can construct a sentence can make. I want to see pictures of his specific design. It won't prove he actually designed it, but it's better than just empty words.

17th April 2012, 11:56 PM	#312
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert I don't know, as there may be evidence out there I am unaware of. Show me what you have and I'll let you know. Why are you so afraid of this question shc? You claim that no one has shown credible evidence but you can't even say what credible evidence is! LOL!
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17th April 2012, 11:57 PM	#313
SpringHallConvert Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,272	Originally Posted by Redtail Why are you so afraid of this question shc? You claim that no one has shown credible evidence but you can't even say what credible evidence is! LOL! The same reason you are so afraid of showing evidence.

17th April 2012, 11:58 PM	#314
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,685	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Face it, you're still just speculating, as I am. How? All we need is a basic understanding of physics to understand just why the claims of "HAARP being more sinister than we've been lead to believe" are all bogus. We've told you just some of the known laws of physics which dispute it, and still you want to keep making the same tired appeal to magic? Why, exactly?
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18th April 2012, 12:00 AM	#315
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert Because he claimed he designed a phased array, a claim which anyone who can construct a sentence can make. I want to see pictures of his specific design. It won't prove he actually designed it, but it's better than just empty words. So you want him to provide pics as proof, but even if he does it isn't proof... No wonder you're afraid to state what credible evidence is.
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