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Old 16th April 2012, 09:29 PM   #481
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Certainly, you can prove this gibberish… right?
Not to your satisfaction, I can't. Just do your own research into Freemasonry and find out for yourself.
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Old 16th April 2012, 10:22 PM   #482
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So? Much like a government hierarchy, the structure of Freemasonry is highly compartmentalized. The outer rings have no idea what the inner rings are doing, and even many of the inner rings have no idea who or what is at the center of Freemasonry.
Yes they do: more masons. What is at the middle is more masons. No dark secrets, no secret government, no relics from the temple of solomon, just rich people who dress up their rotary club in kitsch.

That is the result of research as you are in your "do your own research" mood. The masonshave wonderful archives, museums and libraries. Now the thing is the burden of proof is on you. So if you can't prove an assertion to the satisfaction of a critical thinker the answer is not that we have to research it (and come to a different conclusion), it is that your statements are unfounded until you have facts.
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Old 16th April 2012, 10:26 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert View Post
You just did. You can't help but flail about wildly.
Clearly if you place a blindfold on any boxer above featherweight they start asking for evidence based validations of their openents assertion. It allows for a technical win on points in the olympics.

Alternatively, you are wrong.
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Old 17th April 2012, 12:10 AM   #484
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Originally Posted by Tomtomkent View Post
Yes they do: more masons. What is at the middle is more masons. No dark secrets, no secret government, no relics from the temple of solomon, just rich people who dress up their rotary club in kitsch.
False, that's just the image the Freemasons like to present to the world.

Only fools buy it, though.
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Old 17th April 2012, 12:12 AM   #485
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Is it the Freemasons or the Jews? Or are the top Freemasons all Jews?
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Originally Posted by SpringHallConvert View Post
False, that's just the image the Freemasons like to present to the world.

Only fools buy it, though.
Ok. You have me bang to rights. There are also golf days, ceremonies in which I dress as a knight templar, charitable donations to the impoverished, students, and community projects. The deepest darkest secrets are the social callender...


Scary. Isn't it.
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Ok. You have me bang to rights. There are also golf days, ceremonies in which I dress as a knight templar, charitable donations to the impoverished, students, and community projects. The deepest darkest secrets are the social callender...


Scary. Isn't it.
Worse than that. Whenever I think of the terrible Masonic threat, I think of fezzes and really tiny cars...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriners






(Ah, but that's just what they WANT you to think! They are trying to get you off your guard!)
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So? Much like a government hierarchy, the structure of Freemasonry is highly compartmentalized. The outer rings have no idea what the inner rings are doing, and even many of the inner rings have no idea who or what is at the center of Freemasonry.
Thats not an ideal way to run an organisation thats alledgedly running the world is it?
Wouldnt it be better if the right hand knew what the left was doing?
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Friend of mine had two comments:

"If only four people know they are secretly running the world, then who cares?"

"Considering all the different conspiracies they are responsible for (faking the moon landing, fluoridating the water, starting wars, hiding Bigfoot) they must have a really, really busy day."
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"If only four people know they are secretly running the world, then who cares?"
The best thing about that job would be that if they all just took the day off and went to the beach, nobody would ever know.

In fact (presuming that they work in an underground lair below a volcano on some tropical paradise island) it would be awfully tempting to just give up working at being all evil and just kick back and have a really nice life in the sunshine. Let the humans get on with buggering up their own lives for a change.

There is another theory which says that this has already happened.
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So the troll still has nothing besides his paranoid delusions to back up his conspiracy theory about evil Jews running the Fed. Shocker.
The troll is still getting the attention that he desperately seeks. If you really want to annoy him then ignore him.
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The troll is still getting the attention that he desperately seeks. If you really want to annoy him then ignore him.
Yes, yes, put me on 'ignore'. I've had at least a dozen people publicly announce that they've put me on 'ignore', and all it's resulted in is my posting at JREF with increased frequency.

I relish the day when I have the floor all to myself.
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Since all your posts amount to nothing more than a boring repetition of "you can't prove anything is real, therefore I can reject all evidence and whatever I dream up is equally valid" that day probably isn't far off.
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Since all your posts amount to nothing more than a boring repetition of "you can't prove anything is real, therefore I can reject all evidence and whatever I dream up is equally valid" that day probably isn't far off.
Actually reading his posts is a complete waste of time. Any thread that he is involved in is vastly improved by judicious use of the ignore button.
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Edited by kmortis:  Removed personal comment and improperly masked word.

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For one thing, gold has a limited supply that doesn't quickly change, which mirrors the economy and the supply of goods and services. It can't be printed up and counterfeited and expanded just by pushing a button on a printing press. Gold represents human labor, as each ounce, on average, requires considerable labor to extract from the ground. Gold is consistent as money, and its use as money goes back thousands of years.

Why is interest bearing debt-money superior?
You did not address the question.

there is no value to gold, that is not based upon some abstracted meaning. It is exactly the same as paper money in that way. The value is totally arbitrary.

I made no claims as to any superiority of money as currency.
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What's life worth with no air!?!?

OMG! Call the Fed! Tell them we need air-backed currency, quick!
It was your poor statement in the first place. makes as much sense as a gold based currency.
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Prove they are delusions. Post your evidence showing how the Federal Reserve works as stated. You can't. Do you know why? Because NOBODY has the authority to audit the Federal Reserve's open market operations. Not Congress, not the president, nobody. If Congress wants to audit the Fed's open market operations, they have to go and ask nicely, but the Federal Reserve can still say, "no, now go pound sand!".

As a result, nobody has any real idea what the Fed does. They simply aren't accountable to anyone.
Wrong. The independent financial audits are NOT limited. The results of the open market operations are a part of the financial statement audits performed as required by 12 USC 248b.

While the GAO audits are limited by the restrictions listed in 31 USC 714, those restrictions were placed there by law which Congress wrote. If Congress wanted to, that law could be changed. In fact, the Dodd-Frank Act specifically required the GAO to perform various different audits of the Federal Reserve which included several areas that would have been restricted by 31 USC 714b. See Sections 1108 and 1109 of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.

Regardless, I am sure that you won't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
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Wrong. The independent financial audits are NOT limited.
False, they are. Not only that, but you're speculating as to whether they are truly "independent" or not.

Regardless, I am sure that you won't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
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Yes, yes, put me on 'ignore'. I've had at least a dozen people publicly announce that they've put me on 'ignore', and all it's resulted in is my posting at JREF with increased frequency.

I relish the day when I have the floor all to myself.

You WANT to be the loon on the old milkcrate in park yelling at passers-by while the world walks on past?
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False, that's just the image the Freemasons like to present to the world.

Only fools buy it, though.

Partially true - sometimes it's the middle class dudes dressing up their social club with kitsch. (My Dad is a Mason and he hardly qualifies as rich).
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Partially true - sometimes it's the middle class dudes dressing up their social club with kitsch. (My Dad is a Mason and he hardly qualifies as rich).
My dad was a Mason and he was a lathe operator. He helped to control the world from the safety of the Hoover's factory floor.
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Connect the dots

We live in a world where we use the five senses to navigate and experience this third dimension. I could argue however, that there is a sixth sense that operates in the sub conscious. Symbolism and numerology that is used by the powers that be and is shoved in our faces all the time but most people don't recognize it.

I referred earlier to the freemasonic symbology on the dollar bill but didn't go into any detail about it. Lets have a closer look and analyse the symbology:

Here we have a 13 layered pyramid with the all seeing eye seperate at the top where the light shines. 13 is consistent in freemasonic numerology and symbolism. 12 complete cycles and 13 represents transformation of rebirt and regeneration.

The 13 letters 'ANNUIT COEPTIS' means 'he has favoured our undertakings'.

'NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM' translates to new social order or new world order.

The roman numerals at the bottom signify 1776 eg. independance day.

On the right hand seal there is a lot more 13 symbolism:

The eagle represents the egyptian hawk Horus, it sits below 13 stars and holds a shield that has 13 stripes. It holds an olive branch in its claws with 13 leafs which is supposed to represent peace. The other claw holds 13 arrows that represent war. Supposedly 13 is an unlucky number if you're the superstitious type. Hotels skip the 13th floor for this reason. It's funny how man holds such superstitions yet here is the number 13 portrayed right in front of our very eyes in cryptic code.

The elite go to Bohemian Grove where they worship the owl, and they even managed to get the owl in there in the top right of the dollar bill:

As we connect these dots it becomes clearer that the people in charge have an agenda that the average man would not take notice of. The elite try to programme us into a state of cognitive dissonance. We know that something isn't right but can't quite put our finger on it. So we conform with the masses and laugh at conspiracy theorists who dare have the courage to challenge the status quo.

I know this isn't proof that there is an over arching conspiracy to enslave humanity, just food for thought for you skeptics.

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We live in a world where we use the five senses to navigate and experience this third dimension. I could argue however, that there is a sixth sense that operates in the sub conscious. Symbolism and numerology that is used by the powers that be and is shoved in our faces all the time but most people don't recognize it.

I referred earlier to the freemasonic symbology on the dollar bill but didn't go into any detail about it. Lets have a closer look and analyse the symbology:
http://i42.tinypic.com/303ijwo.jpg
Here we have a 13 layered pyramid with the all seeing eye seperate at the top where the light shines. 13 is consistent in freemasonic numerology and symbolism. 12 complete cycles and 13 represents transformation of rebirt and regeneration.

The 13 letters 'ANNUIT COEPTIS' means 'he has favoured our undertakings'.

'NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM' translates to new social order or new world order.

The roman numerals at the bottom signify 1776 eg. independance day.

On the right hand seal there is a lot more 13 symbolism:
http://i39.tinypic.com/166c9it.jpg
The eagle represents the egyptian hawk Horus, it sits below 13 stars and holds a shield that has 13 stripes. It holds an olive branch in its claws with 13 leafs which is supposed to represent peace. The other claw holds 13 arrows that represent war. Supposedly 13 is an unlucky number if you're the superstitious type. Hotels skip the 13th floor for this reason. It's funny how man holds such superstitions yet here is the number 13 portrayed right in front of our very eyes in cryptic code.

The elite go to Bohemian Grove where they worship the owl, and they even managed to get the owl in there in the top right of the dollar bill:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2wmjkbb.jpg
As we connect these dots it becomes clearer that the people in charge have an agenda that the average man would not take notice of. The elite try to programme us into a state of cognitive dissonance. We know that something isn't right but can't quite put our finger on it. So we conform with the masses and laugh at conspiracy theorists who dare have the courage to challenge the status quo.

I know this isn't proof that there is an over arching conspiracy to enslave humanity, just food for thought for you skeptics.
If that is food for thought then we are all on hunger strike. Who are these people in charge? First they start a secret conspiracy to rule the world from the Colonies in the eighteenth century, then they put the proof all over the dollar bill. A brilliant idea.

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Not to your satisfaction, I can't. Just do your own research into Freemasonry and find out for yourself.
No, you can’t prove it to my satisfaction, nor can you prove it to the satisfaction of any other sane member of this forum.

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False, that's just the image the Freemasons like to present to the world.

Only fools buy it, though.
But do keep trying won’t you? We might let you be one of the clowns in the next circus.
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I know this isn't proof that there is an over arching conspiracy to enslave humanity, just food for thought for you skeptics.
In other words, you are trying to feed us BS?
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As we connect these dots it becomes clearer that the people in charge have an agenda that the average man would not take notice of.
No it becomes clear that the US wanted suitable iconography on their money to look like actual currency, wanted symbols that distinguished them from the British state they were trying to seperate themselves from, and would ideally make it difficult for forgers. Not unreasonably they may well have chosen the term "new social order," but instead they chose 'NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM' which means "New Order for all Ages", or as Huxley had it "Brave New World". Which was the very intention, the very reason for the US in spirit, but the "New World" was a commonplace term for the colonies. 'ANNUIT COEPTIS' means "Beginning of the Year". So much for THAT claim right? The actual statement "Annuit cœptis" is "He Approves" or "He nods", which makes me incredibly anal about how I correct your spelling, but tshould highlight the emphasise. The "He" is God. "God approves of our undertakings", is pretty much the seal you would expect from the newly minted (baddum tsh!) US.

So why thirteen? That has to be signs of dodgy dealings and masons right?
No. Thirteen is repeated over and again to mean the thirteen states of the original union. No deeper meaning is needed or proven.

Much of the rest of your symbolism is back to front. You have taken symbols on the note, that have obvous meanings and tried to find other meanings that better suit your conclusions. The Eagle is Horus? Sure... Because the American Eagle isn't you know, a readily recognisable native species, that has its own symbolism? The owl? Sure that has to mean a secret society, not wisdom, or watchfulness... That would be too obvious.

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The elite try to programme us into a state of cognitive dissonance. We know that something isn't right but can't quite put our finger on it. So we conform with the masses and laugh at conspiracy theorists who dare have the courage to challenge the status quo.
Whoa there sparky! You missed a few steps on the old logical express there. Even assuming your theories on the symbollism HAD BEEN correct, they don't suggest this at all. None of that is in anyway contained in your deductions, nor easily extrapolated from it. Assume for a second those symbols were on there for those reasons? You could deduce that maybe they suggested the founding fathers included Masons, that they sociallised in a way that they were well known to do. (Benjamin Franklin was one of the most popular faces on Masonic pendants and medals. He was a celebrity of the day.) It is a step forwards to determine that there was a further motive for the symbols being used and several huge leaps to deduce THIS is the reason.

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I know this isn't proof that there is an over arching conspiracy to enslave humanity, just food for thought for you skeptics.
Proof? It isn't even coherent. You really need to show me where on the note masonic symbols translate to "Programming a state of cognitive dissonance" with the intention of making people "laugh at the conspiracy theorist"? Really?
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False, they are. Not only that, but you're speculating as to whether they are truly "independent" or not.

Regardless, I am sure that you won't let facts get in the way of your delusions.
No, not false. The limitations ONLY apply to GAO audits. The audits performed by an external and independent auditing firm are not limited by the restrictions of 31 USC 714. Independence in regards to performing audits is well defined. Of course, if you knew anything about financial auditing, you would know that.

I also note that you completely ignored the fact that Congress can and has changed the law concerning the Federal Reserve and what can and cannot be audited by the GAO.

I am not deluded. I live in the real world not in some fantasy la-la land where things supposedly happen because you claim they do.
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Anybody Guess When SHC is going to offer facts in defense of his theories instead of just more rhetoric?
About when the Devil can step outside his front door and go Ice Skating, me thinks.
I think the heat death of the universe is likely to occur first.
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Old 17th April 2012, 11:09 AM   #512
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Originally Posted by The Dark Lord View Post
Is it the Freemasons or the Jews? Or are the top Freemasons all Jews?
It would be rather difficult to be a fundementalist Jew and agree to take the Mason oath. Not that I am free to divulge what I mean.
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Old 17th April 2012, 11:20 AM   #513
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No it becomes clear that the US wanted suitable iconography on their money to look like actual currency, wanted symbols that distinguished them from the British state they were trying to seperate themselves from, and would ideally make it difficult for forgers. Not unreasonably they may well have chosen the term "new social order," but instead they chose 'NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM' which means "New Order for all Ages", or as Huxley had it "Brave New World". Which was the very intention, the very reason for the US in spirit, but the "New World" was a commonplace term for the colonies. 'ANNUIT COEPTIS' means "Beginning of the Year". So much for THAT claim right? The actual statement "Annuit cœptis" is "He Approves" or "He nods", which makes me incredibly anal about how I correct your spelling, but tshould highlight the emphasise. The "He" is God. "God approves of our undertakings", is pretty much the seal you would expect from the newly minted (baddum tsh!) US.

So why thirteen? That has to be signs of dodgy dealings and masons right?
No. Thirteen is repeated over and again to mean the thirteen states of the original union. No deeper meaning is needed or proven.

Much of the rest of your symbolism is back to front. You have taken symbols on the note, that have obvous meanings and tried to find other meanings that better suit your conclusions. The Eagle is Horus? Sure... Because the American Eagle isn't you know, a readily recognisable native species, that has its own symbolism? The owl? Sure that has to mean a secret society, not wisdom, or watchfulness... That would be too obvious.


Whoa there sparky! You missed a few steps on the old logical express there. Even assuming your theories on the symbollism HAD BEEN correct, they don't suggest this at all. None of that is in anyway contained in your deductions, nor easily extrapolated from it. Assume for a second those symbols were on there for those reasons? You could deduce that maybe they suggested the founding fathers included Masons, that they sociallised in a way that they were well known to do. (Benjamin Franklin was one of the most popular faces on Masonic pendants and medals. He was a celebrity of the day.) It is a step forwards to determine that there was a further motive for the symbols being used and several huge leaps to deduce THIS is the reason.



Proof? It isn't even coherent. You really need to show me where on the note masonic symbols translate to "Programming a state of cognitive dissonance" with the intention of making people "laugh at the conspiracy theorist"? Really?
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13!!! I blame Delaware!

What really makes me laugh about OneTime's reiteration of this conspiracy is that it HAS TO be limited to one single country, the USA.

What about the other 5.7 BILLION people?
What about Canada, the USA's closest neighbour(yes Mexico also borders the USA but Canadian culture most closesly matches that of the USA AND our common border is the freest in the entire world.) Our currency contains none of the supposed nefarious signs, certainly no references to the number 13, or a Brave New World/ New World Order. The animals on our currency are varied, beaver, moose, Blue Jays, polar bears, each and every one of which is native to the country. Granted we could include the bald eagle since Canada actually now has as many as, or more of them than, the USA, but we leave that to you.
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Originally Posted by CORed View Post
I think the heat death of the universe is likely to occur first.
or monkeys flying out of dark nether regions.
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The "New Order for the Ages" was a prediction that has actually come to pass: a new sociopolitical order based on Enlightenment ideals of individual freedom and equality, where representational government and economic mobility have replaced the old, rigid, hierarchical society dominated by kings, nobility and religious figures.
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The ruling element has always needed someplace to hide. The first hid behind physical strength.
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Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post
The ruling element has always needed someplace to hide. The first hid behind physical strength.
Can you name three members of the ruling element?
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The ruling element has always needed someplace to hide. The first hid behind physical strength.
Were they particularly well hidden, or did people know who they were?
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Originally Posted by Tomtomkent View Post
Were they particularly well hidden, or did people know who they were?
I'm sure they did when he threatened them with a knuckle sandwich.
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

Can you name three members of the ruling element?
Last night my wife confessed to being the leader of the Illuminati.

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