WW II plane buffs? - Page 9

SpitfireIX · 25th July 2012, 10:37 AM

Something funny about these planes; if you get close you'll see that on the nose where kill flags and bomb symbols are located, they have silhouettes of WWII-era movie cameras, next to each is the name of a movie the plane has appeared in. Fifi has appeared in many, for obvious reasons.

Polaris · 25th July 2012, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

Something funny about these planes; if you get close you'll see that on the nose where kill flags and bomb symbols are located, they have silhouettes of WWII-era movie cameras, next to each is the name of a movie the plane has appeared in. Fifi has appeared in many, for obvious reasons.

Probably reprising her role as Enola Gay on more than one occasion.

Yuri Nalyssus · 25th July 2012, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

B-29 Superfortress.

Oh, right, thanks - impressive photo of an impressive plane btw

Yuri

eta - actually, looking back I should have read the post before the one I queried

(but then I wouldn't have seen the photo!)

Piscivore · 25th July 2012, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

Erm, Memphis Belle is an F, hasn't been flyable since shortly after the war, and is currently under restoration at the Air Force Museum.

From the nose art on the truck in the foreground, the aircraft is presumably Sentimental Journey, which I saw with some friends a couple of years ago. I don't have my photos handy at the moment; they're on my laptop, which is on loan to my cousin, and the back-ups are in the side pocket of the case. Here's one I found online.

She lives in my town. I get to see her flying sometimes driving into work.

http://www.azcaf.org/

BStrong · 25th July 2012, 04:57 PM

This is a must watch:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1723870789084

1945 Airshow, captured Nazi aircraft, Me-262's everything under the sun.

I Ratant · 26th July 2012, 09:48 AM

Went to one of those in 1946 or 47 at Marshall Field, Fort Riley Ka.
Got to fire a Browning .30 cal machine gun!

Touched a P-80!
(30 years later, when told not to touch the first spaceship to land on Earth, I did that also!)

Foster Zygote · 26th July 2012, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by SpitfireIX

Fifi is the only flying B-29 in the world at the moment. I've seen rumors of another possibly undergoing restoration, but don't know the status.

I saw her about 12 years ago on the ground, but didn't get to see her fly.

I got to go inside Fifi on the ground about eight years ago. I sat in the captains seat for a couple of minutes. It's an interesting view. The pilots have only the basic flight instruments in front of them, but look over your right shoulder at the engineer's station and you see an imposing wall of instrumentation.

MRC_Hans · 30th July 2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

B-29 Superfortress.

http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/HostedStuff/B29.jpg

One of the last piston engined bombers. A very beautiful bird.

Hans

Spindrift · 31st July 2012, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

(30 years later, when told not to touch the first spaceship to land on Earth, I did that also!)

An X-15?

Akhenaten · 31st July 2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

One of the last piston engined bombers. A very beautiful bird.

Hans

Even the Soviets admired it so much that they felt compelled to pay tribute to it with their own version.

Tupolev Tu-4

Well, 'tribute' might not be exactly the right word.

Roadtoad · 31st July 2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

Well, 'tribute' might not be exactly the right word.

But "ripoff" is.

Foster Zygote · 31st July 2012, 12:28 PM

An interesting story about the Tu-4:

When Tupolev engineers were ordered to reverse engineer the three interned B-29s, the Stalinist bureaucracy was so crazy, and the fear of upsetting the unpredictable Stalin so great, that they went to great pains to literally produce the exact copies that Stalin had demanded. An erroneous rivet hole drilled by mistake by a Boeing worker was duplicated on all production Tu-4s. Even the Boeing logos on the control yolks were duplicated in order to avoid the torturous bureaucratic process required to make the slightest alteration. Tupolev himself had to ask Stalin for permission to use Soviet markings instead of the Army Air Force star and bar. Despite all this, the Tu-4 was over one and a half tons heavier than the B-29 because the Soviet aircraft industry produced skinning (and corresponding rivets) in metric gauges, rather than the 1/16 used by Boeing. Other changes included the use of Shvetsov engines that were developed from license produced Write 9-cylinders and thus shared some parts with the Write R-3350, and the use of NS-23 cannons.

MRC_Hans · 31st July 2012, 06:55 PM

The Soviets also produced a replica C47, but IIRR, it was on a legit licence.

BTW, on Soviet planes, one of the little known workhorses of WW2:

http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Polikarpof.htm

(Maybe I already mentioned this. If so, sorry for the repetition)

Hans

ETA: I did. well ....

TjW · 31st July 2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

An interesting story about the Tu-4:

When Tupolev engineers were ordered to reverse engineer the three interned B-29s, the Stalinist bureaucracy was so crazy, and the fear of upsetting the unpredictable Stalin so great, that they went to great pains to literally produce the exact copies that Stalin had demanded. An erroneous rivet hole drilled by mistake by a Boeing worker was duplicated on all production Tu-4s. Even the Boeing logos on the control yolks were duplicated in order to avoid the torturous bureaucratic process required to make the slightest alteration. Tupolev himself had to ask Stalin for permission to use Soviet markings instead of the Army Air Force star and bar. Despite all this, the Tu-4 was over one and a half tons heavier than the B-29 because the Soviet aircraft industry produced skinning (and corresponding rivets) in metric gauges, rather than the 1/16 used by Boeing. Other changes included the use of Shvetsov engines that were developed from license produced Write 9-cylinders and thus shared some parts with the Write R-3350, and the use of NS-23 cannons.

I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright.

MRC_Hans · 31st July 2012, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by TjW

I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright.

So as not to Write it Wrong.

Hans

MRC_Hans · 31st July 2012, 07:05 PM

- So, what's Wrong?

- Write is Wrong.

- Then what is Right?

- That´s Wright.

- ...etc....

...... Sorry, couldn't resist.

Hans

Foster Zygote · 31st July 2012, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by TjW

I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright.

Doh!

Foster Zygote · 31st July 2012, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

The Soviets also produced a replica C47, but IIRR, it was on a legit licence.

BTW, on Soviet planes, one of the little known workhorses of WW2:

http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Polikarpof.htm

(Maybe I already mentioned this. If so, sorry for the repetition)

Hans

ETA: I did. well ....

Those saw action with the People's Korean Air Force as well. They often flew "Washing Machine Charlie" night raids against bases in South Korea.

MRC_Hans · 31st July 2012, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Those saw action with the People's Korean Air Force as well. They often flew "Washing Machine Charlie" night raids against bases in South Korea.

Yes. Nato designation "Mule".

There is a story of one example belonging to a Polish (?) vintage flying club. On a solo flight the pilot had a heart attack and died. The plane flew on till it ran out of gas, then landed itself. Due to soft ground it overturned, but was no more damaged than it was later restored to flying condition.

Hans

I Ratant · 1st August 2012, 09:15 AM

The Poles also flew the MiG-23... of which was said... wait a bit, and you too can have one land in your garden!
One of theirs did get from Poland to Belgium after the pilot ejected... in itself a noteworthy feat, as the seat tended to kill its users, and bellying the thing in was usual.

Dcdrac · 1st August 2012, 09:40 AM

b17s were used as target drones after WW2 in the 50s and 60s weren't they?

Yuri Nalyssus · 1st August 2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

The Poles also flew the MiG-23... of which was said... wait a bit, and you too can have one land in your garden!
One of theirs did get from Poland to Belgium after the pilot ejected... in itself a noteworthy feat, as the seat tended to kill its users, and bellying the thing in was usual.

Reminds me of the old joke from the 70's:

Q - How does a German get himself a Starfighter
A - He buys a field and waits!

Off topic, non WWII! - 'pologies

Yuri

I Ratant · 1st August 2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Dcdrac

b17s were used as target drones after WW2 in the 50s and 60s weren't they?

.
Air attack into the '70s also.

Bikewer · 1st August 2012, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Yuri Nalyssus

Reminds me of the old joke from the 70's:

Q - How does a German get himself a Starfighter
A - He buys a field and waits!

Off topic, non WWII! - 'pologies

Yuri

I was in Germany in the mid-60s, and even then the Germans were merrily screwing the Starfighters into the ground. They were screaming about the hard-to-handle aircraft, and the Americans were chalking it up to hotdog pilots.

MRC_Hans · 1st August 2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

I was in Germany in the mid-60s, and even then the Germans were merrily screwing the Starfighters into the ground. They were screaming about the hard-to-handle aircraft, and the Americans were chalking it up to hotdog pilots.

It should be noted that the German version of the Starfighter was equipped with various extras, among other things enabling it to carry tactical nuclear weapons, so it did have poorer handling characteristics than the standard version. As the plane is already an aerodynamic abomination, with wings the size of dinner tables, any reduction of the available flight envelope might well have turned it into a widowmaker.

It is a cruelly elegant bird, but when you look at it, you can't help wondering how it can fly at all.

Hans

dasmiller · 1st August 2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

- So, what's Wrong?

- Write is Wrong.

- Then what is Right?

- That´s Wright.

- ...etc....

...... Sorry, couldn't resist.

Hans

“They had to use whatever they could find to get her flying again. Strange as it may seem, they rebuilt her with four different engines.”

“Different engines?”

“Yep, each nacelle had a different engine. There was a Wright on the first nacelle, Lyc on the second, Sikh on the third—“

“That’s what I want to know, tell me the engines they had on that airplane”

“I’m telling you. Wright’s on first, Lyc’s on second, Sikh’s on third—“

“You know the engines?”

“Yes”

“Well, some engine has to be on the first nacelle, right?

“Yes.”

"Well, then what’s the right engine?"

“Yes”

“I mean the engine on the first nacelle.”

“Wright”

(etc, etc)

Foster Zygote · 1st August 2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Yes. Nato designation "Mule".

There is a story of one example belonging to a Polish (?) vintage flying club. On a solo flight the pilot had a heart attack and died. The plane flew on till it ran out of gas, then landed itself. Due to soft ground it overturned, but was no more damaged than it was later restored to flying condition.

Hans

I wonder if it was this one?

I Ratant · 1st August 2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by dasmiller

“They had to use whatever they could find to get her flying again. Strange as it may seem, they rebuilt her with four different engines.”

“Different engines?”

“Yep, each nacelle had a different engine. There was a Wright on the first nacelle, Lyc on the second, Sikh on the third—“

“That’s what I want to know, tell me the engines they had on that airplane”

“I’m telling you. Wright’s on first, Lyc’s on second, Sikh’s on third—“

“You know the engines?”

“Yes”

“Well, some engine has to be on the first nacelle, right?

“Yes.”

"Well, then what’s the right engine?"

“Yes”

“I mean the engine on the first nacelle.”

“Wright”

(etc, etc)

.
One of the B-17s I've seen had Studebaker Wrights on it!

Akhenaten · 1st August 2012, 12:36 PM

Fiat G-59

This aircraft belonged to Guido Zuccoli, a resident of my home town of Toowoomba, Queensland and I was fortunate enough to have seen it fly on a number of occasions.

TjW · 1st August 2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

.
Air attack into the '70s also.

Ah, I see the telltale signs of Phos-Chek.

I Ratant · 1st August 2012, 03:42 PM

Which works very well.
Note the plane laying down the Phos-Chek, and the area that -didn't- burn.

.
And an emergency dump when a P3 had an engine failure on takeoff at Fox Field.
The pilot waited until he'd cleared the runway before dumping his load, so as to not foul the runway.

Beanbag · 1st August 2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

I was in Germany in the mid-60s, and even then the Germans were merrily screwing the Starfighters into the ground. They were screaming about the hard-to-handle aircraft, and the Americans were chalking it up to hotdog pilots.

The Spanish air force flew 104's as well, and didn't lose a single one.

The F104 just wasn't a forgiving aircraft. It was literally about a decade or two ahead of its time, a case of Kelly Johnson giving the pilots exactly what they asked for. They have one at the Cavenaugh flight museum, and it amazes me just how tiny it is, compared to most jet aircraft of that and the present era.

A quote I've heard attributed to the F104 by a supposed F104 pilot is, that if you make a single mistake in an F104, it will be the last mistake you make in that plane. If you're lucky, you might get to make another mistake in another plane later.

Beanbag

Yuri Nalyssus · 1st August 2012, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

The F104 just wasn't a forgiving aircraft. It was literally about a decade or two ahead of its time

It amazes me, when looking at pictures of them how they were able to stay airborne without fly by wire computer technology. Brave pilots.

Yuri

I Ratant · 2nd August 2012, 09:36 AM

Noise.
The noise kept the F-104 in the air.
When the noise stopped, it plummeted.
If that occurred as the plane was passing through 20,000 feet over the end of the runway, it could make the runway in the plummet.
Otherwise, eject, eject, eject.
Belly landing the thing with the ventral fin would be fatal.
The Luftwaffe was flying it outside the envelope the other nations were, which contributed to the appalling loss rate they experienced.
Like the MiG-21, it was an airfield perimeter defense airplane, nothing more.
One of my friends flying F-8s for the Marines said they'd fly over an F-104 base taunting the flyboys... knowing the -104s couldn't get to and land safely after.

Humanzee · 5th August 2012, 08:32 PM

Visited the Tillamook OR Air Museum Sunday.
Very cool to get up close to some of these warbirds.
BF-109 and TBM Avenger. Sorry for the poor quality.

Humanzee · 5th August 2012, 08:36 PM

A few others. Many looked like they were flight ready.
KI-43 Oscar and F4U Corsair

KI43_Oscar.jpg

F4U-7_Corsair.jpg

Humanzee · 5th August 2012, 08:42 PM

My favorite the P38 Lightning
P38_Lightning.jpg

and a P51 Mustang
P51_Mustang.jpg

A recommended visit if you are in the area.

Humanzee · 5th August 2012, 09:26 PM

And speaking of the B-29...the Mini Guppy.

Miini_Guppy_Stratocruiser.jpg

Noztradamus · 6th August 2012, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by TjW

I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright.

That wasn't the only egg that Foster Zygote laid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote
An interesting story about the Tu-4:

Even the Boeing logos on the control yolks were duplicated in order to avoid the torturous bureaucratic process required to make the slightest alteration

BaaBaa · 6th August 2012, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Humanzee

Visited the Tillamook OR Air Museum Sunday.
Very cool to get up close to some of these warbirds.
BF-109 and TBM Avenger. Sorry for the poor quality.

That 109 is a Spanish Buchon, I think

25th July 2012, 10:37 AM	#321
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25th July 2012, 10:53 AM	#322
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,171	Originally Posted by SpitfireIX Something funny about these planes; if you get close you'll see that on the nose where kill flags and bomb symbols are located, they have silhouettes of WWII-era movie cameras, next to each is the name of a movie the plane has appeared in. Fifi has appeared in many, for obvious reasons. Probably reprising her role as Enola Gay on more than one occasion.
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25th July 2012, 02:12 PM	#323
Yuri Nalyssus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Ancient Isle of Avignuon Posts: 1,074	Originally Posted by Akhenaten B-29 Superfortress. Oh, right, thanks - impressive photo of an impressive plane btw Yuri eta - actually, looking back I should have read the post before the one I queried (but then I wouldn't have seen the photo!)
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25th July 2012, 04:45 PM	#324
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26th July 2012, 10:03 AM	#327
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,408	Originally Posted by SpitfireIX Fifi is the only flying B-29 in the world at the moment. I've seen rumors of another possibly undergoing restoration, but don't know the status. I saw her about 12 years ago on the ground, but didn't get to see her fly. I got to go inside Fifi on the ground about eight years ago. I sat in the captains seat for a couple of minutes. It's an interesting view. The pilots have only the basic flight instruments in front of them, but look over your right shoulder at the engineer's station and you see an imposing wall of instrumentation.
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25th July 2012, 04:57 PM	#325
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,836	This is a must watch: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1723870789084 1945 Airshow, captured Nazi aircraft, Me-262's everything under the sun.

26th July 2012, 09:48 AM	#326
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Went to one of those in 1946 or 47 at Marshall Field, Fort Riley Ka. Got to fire a Browning .30 cal machine gun! Touched a P-80! (30 years later, when told not to touch the first spaceship to land on Earth, I did that also!)

30th July 2012, 08:08 PM	#328
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by Akhenaten B-29 Superfortress. http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/HostedStuff/B29.jpg One of the last piston engined bombers. A very beautiful bird. Hans
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31st July 2012, 05:38 AM	#329
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31st July 2012, 07:17 AM	#330
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Pither Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,696	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans One of the last piston engined bombers. A very beautiful bird. Hans Even the Soviets admired it so much that they felt compelled to pay tribute to it with their own version. Tupolev Tu-4 Well, 'tribute' might not be exactly the right word.
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31st July 2012, 11:57 AM	#331
Roadtoad Bufo Caminus Inedibilis Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gone. Posts: 15,738	Originally Posted by Akhenaten Well, 'tribute' might not be exactly the right word. But "ripoff" is.

31st July 2012, 12:28 PM	#332
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,408	An interesting story about the Tu-4: When Tupolev engineers were ordered to reverse engineer the three interned B-29s, the Stalinist bureaucracy was so crazy, and the fear of upsetting the unpredictable Stalin so great, that they went to great pains to literally produce the exact copies that Stalin had demanded. An erroneous rivet hole drilled by mistake by a Boeing worker was duplicated on all production Tu-4s. Even the Boeing logos on the control yolks were duplicated in order to avoid the torturous bureaucratic process required to make the slightest alteration. Tupolev himself had to ask Stalin for permission to use Soviet markings instead of the Army Air Force star and bar. Despite all this, the Tu-4 was over one and a half tons heavier than the B-29 because the Soviet aircraft industry produced skinning (and corresponding rivets) in metric gauges, rather than the 1/16 used by Boeing. Other changes included the use of Shvetsov engines that were developed from license produced Write 9-cylinders and thus shared some parts with the Write R-3350, and the use of NS-23 cannons.
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31st July 2012, 06:55 PM	#333
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	The Soviets also produced a replica C47, but IIRR, it was on a legit licence. BTW, on Soviet planes, one of the little known workhorses of WW2: http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Polikarpof.htm (Maybe I already mentioned this. If so, sorry for the repetition) Hans ETA: I did. well ....
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31st July 2012, 06:59 PM	#334
TjW Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 10,004	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote An interesting story about the Tu-4: When Tupolev engineers were ordered to reverse engineer the three interned B-29s, the Stalinist bureaucracy was so crazy, and the fear of upsetting the unpredictable Stalin so great, that they went to great pains to literally produce the exact copies that Stalin had demanded. An erroneous rivet hole drilled by mistake by a Boeing worker was duplicated on all production Tu-4s. Even the Boeing logos on the control yolks were duplicated in order to avoid the torturous bureaucratic process required to make the slightest alteration. Tupolev himself had to ask Stalin for permission to use Soviet markings instead of the Army Air Force star and bar. Despite all this, the Tu-4 was over one and a half tons heavier than the B-29 because the Soviet aircraft industry produced skinning (and corresponding rivets) in metric gauges, rather than the 1/16 used by Boeing. Other changes included the use of Shvetsov engines that were developed from license produced Write 9-cylinders and thus shared some parts with the Write R-3350, and the use of NS-23 cannons. I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright.
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31st July 2012, 07:01 PM	#335
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by TjW I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright. So as not to Write it Wrong. Hans
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31st July 2012, 07:05 PM	#336
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31st July 2012, 07:53 PM	#337
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,408	Originally Posted by TjW I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright. Doh!
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31st July 2012, 08:06 PM	#338
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,408	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans The Soviets also produced a replica C47, but IIRR, it was on a legit licence. BTW, on Soviet planes, one of the little known workhorses of WW2: http://www.hans-egebo.dk/Polikarpof.htm (Maybe I already mentioned this. If so, sorry for the repetition) Hans ETA: I did. well .... Those saw action with the People's Korean Air Force as well. They often flew "Washing Machine Charlie" night raids against bases in South Korea.
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31st July 2012, 09:22 PM	#339
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Those saw action with the People's Korean Air Force as well. They often flew "Washing Machine Charlie" night raids against bases in South Korea. Yes. Nato designation "Mule". There is a story of one example belonging to a Polish (?) vintage flying club. On a solo flight the pilot had a heart attack and died. The plane flew on till it ran out of gas, then landed itself. Due to soft ground it overturned, but was no more damaged than it was later restored to flying condition. Hans
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1st August 2012, 09:15 AM	#340
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	The Poles also flew the MiG-23... of which was said... wait a bit, and you too can have one land in your garden! One of theirs did get from Poland to Belgium after the pilot ejected... in itself a noteworthy feat, as the seat tended to kill its users, and bellying the thing in was usual.

1st August 2012, 09:40 AM	#341
Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,686	b17s were used as target drones after WW2 in the 50s and 60s weren't they?
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1st August 2012, 10:58 AM	#342
Yuri Nalyssus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Ancient Isle of Avignuon Posts: 1,074	Originally Posted by I Ratant The Poles also flew the MiG-23... of which was said... wait a bit, and you too can have one land in your garden! One of theirs did get from Poland to Belgium after the pilot ejected... in itself a noteworthy feat, as the seat tended to kill its users, and bellying the thing in was usual. Reminds me of the old joke from the 70's: Q - How does a German get himself a Starfighter A - He buys a field and waits! Off topic, non WWII! - 'pologies Yuri
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1st August 2012, 11:16 AM	#344
Bikewer Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 9,540	Originally Posted by Yuri Nalyssus Reminds me of the old joke from the 70's: Q - How does a German get himself a Starfighter A - He buys a field and waits! Off topic, non WWII! - 'pologies Yuri I was in Germany in the mid-60s, and even then the Germans were merrily screwing the Starfighters into the ground. They were screaming about the hard-to-handle aircraft, and the Americans were chalking it up to hotdog pilots.

1st August 2012, 11:34 AM	#345
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Originally Posted by Bikewer I was in Germany in the mid-60s, and even then the Germans were merrily screwing the Starfighters into the ground. They were screaming about the hard-to-handle aircraft, and the Americans were chalking it up to hotdog pilots. It should be noted that the German version of the Starfighter was equipped with various extras, among other things enabling it to carry tactical nuclear weapons, so it did have poorer handling characteristics than the standard version. As the plane is already an aerodynamic abomination, with wings the size of dinner tables, any reduction of the available flight envelope might well have turned it into a widowmaker. It is a cruelly elegant bird, but when you look at it, you can't help wondering how it can fly at all. Hans
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1st August 2012, 11:54 AM	#346
dasmiller Just the right amount of cowbell Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Well past Hither, looking for Yon Posts: 3,465	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans - So, what's Wrong? - Write is Wrong. - Then what is Right? - That´s Wright. - ...etc.... ...... Sorry, couldn't resist. Hans “They had to use whatever they could find to get her flying again. Strange as it may seem, they rebuilt her with four different engines.” “Different engines?” “Yep, each nacelle had a different engine. There was a Wright on the first nacelle, Lyc on the second, Sikh on the third—“ “That’s what I want to know, tell me the engines they had on that airplane” “I’m telling you. Wright’s on first, Lyc’s on second, Sikh’s on third—“ “You know the engines?” “Yes” “Well, some engine has to be on the first nacelle, right? “Yes.” "Well, then what’s the right engine?" “Yes” “I mean the engine on the first nacelle.” “Wright” (etc, etc)
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1st August 2012, 11:57 AM	#348
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by dasmiller “They had to use whatever they could find to get her flying again. Strange as it may seem, they rebuilt her with four different engines.” “Different engines?” “Yep, each nacelle had a different engine. There was a Wright on the first nacelle, Lyc on the second, Sikh on the third—“ “That’s what I want to know, tell me the engines they had on that airplane” “I’m telling you. Wright’s on first, Lyc’s on second, Sikh’s on third—“ “You know the engines?” “Yes” “Well, some engine has to be on the first nacelle, right? “Yes.” "Well, then what’s the right engine?" “Yes” “I mean the engine on the first nacelle.” “Wright” (etc, etc) . One of the B-17s I've seen had Studebaker Wrights on it!

1st August 2012, 12:36 PM	#349
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Pither Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,696	Fiat G-59 This aircraft belonged to Guido Zuccoli, a resident of my home town of Toowoomba, Queensland and I was fortunate enough to have seen it fly on a number of occasions.
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1st August 2012, 01:57 PM	#350
TjW Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 10,004	Originally Posted by I Ratant . Air attack into the '70s also. Ah, I see the telltale signs of Phos-Chek.
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1st August 2012, 04:06 PM	#352
Beanbag Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas/Fort Worth Posts: 2,709	Originally Posted by Bikewer I was in Germany in the mid-60s, and even then the Germans were merrily screwing the Starfighters into the ground. They were screaming about the hard-to-handle aircraft, and the Americans were chalking it up to hotdog pilots. The Spanish air force flew 104's as well, and didn't lose a single one. The F104 just wasn't a forgiving aircraft. It was literally about a decade or two ahead of its time, a case of Kelly Johnson giving the pilots exactly what they asked for. They have one at the Cavenaugh flight museum, and it amazes me just how tiny it is, compared to most jet aircraft of that and the present era. A quote I've heard attributed to the F104 by a supposed F104 pilot is, that if you make a single mistake in an F104, it will be the last mistake you make in that plane. If you're lucky, you might get to make another mistake in another plane later. Beanbag
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1st August 2012, 10:57 PM	#353
Yuri Nalyssus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Ancient Isle of Avignuon Posts: 1,074	Originally Posted by Beanbag The F104 just wasn't a forgiving aircraft. It was literally about a decade or two ahead of its time It amazes me, when looking at pictures of them how they were able to stay airborne without fly by wire computer technology. Brave pilots. Yuri
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2nd August 2012, 09:36 AM	#354
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Noise. The noise kept the F-104 in the air. When the noise stopped, it plummeted. If that occurred as the plane was passing through 20,000 feet over the end of the runway, it could make the runway in the plummet. Otherwise, eject, eject, eject. Belly landing the thing with the ventral fin would be fatal. The Luftwaffe was flying it outside the envelope the other nations were, which contributed to the appalling loss rate they experienced. Like the MiG-21, it was an airfield perimeter defense airplane, nothing more. One of my friends flying F-8s for the Marines said they'd fly over an F-104 base taunting the flyboys... knowing the -104s couldn't get to and land safely after.
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5th August 2012, 08:36 PM	#356
Humanzee Muse Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: I...hate...tapir...bones... Posts: 528	A few others. Many looked like they were flight ready. KI-43 Oscar and F4U Corsair KI43_Oscar.jpg F4U-7_Corsair.jpg

5th August 2012, 08:42 PM	#357
Humanzee Muse Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: I...hate...tapir...bones... Posts: 528	My favorite the P38 Lightning P38_Lightning.jpg and a P51 Mustang P51_Mustang.jpg A recommended visit if you are in the area.

5th August 2012, 09:26 PM	#358
Humanzee Muse Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: I...hate...tapir...bones... Posts: 528	And speaking of the B-29...the Mini Guppy. Miini_Guppy_Stratocruiser.jpg

6th August 2012, 12:22 AM	#359
Noztradamus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,880	Originally Posted by TjW I think on the names of the original B-29 engines, you should try to get it Wright. That wasn't the only egg that Foster Zygote laid Quote: Originally Posted by Foster Zygote An interesting story about the Tu-4: Even the Boeing logos on the control yolks were duplicated in order to avoid the torturous bureaucratic process required to make the slightest alteration
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