"Armed guards at child 'camp' questioned by state official"

shecky · 19th May 2004, 11:42 AM

http://www.tennessean.com/local/arch...nt_ID=51530767

Paranoid xtian "day camp"? What's the deal with these doofuses? Are they just a bunch of eccentric bible thumpers or are they itching for a Waco-styled martyrdom?

Tony · 19th May 2004, 11:56 AM

I agree that they are paranoid, but so what? Let the idiots have thier armed guards. I'm also pretty sure this falls under 1st amendment protection.

TwoShanks · 19th May 2004, 12:06 PM

tired of the same-old same-old?

LizardPeople · 19th May 2004, 02:24 PM

"Church services" from six in the morning to six at night? That would seem to fall under "cruel and unusual punishment".

hgc · 19th May 2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by LizardPeople
"Church services" from six in the morning to six at night? That would seem to fall under "cruel and unusual punishment".

Oy. Let me see... force children to pray to Jesus for 12 hours. WJDT (Would Jesus do that)? If so, he's one angry-assed god.

roger · 19th May 2004, 02:51 PM

Well, if you read the article, the 6 to 6 claim sounds like a transparent ploy to try to avoid getting categorized as a day care center, which would mean no guns allowed.

19th May 2004, 04:04 PM

Update:

http://tennessean.com/local/archives...nt_ID=51497120

Alas, another group of buttheads who don't want to be tied down by any fire inspections heads downhill.

Creepy 12 hours of church surrounded by gun wielding guards and no fire and safety inspections day care! Just the sort of environment that every parent should be delighted to have their children in.

What happens if the police have to show up to enforce a court order, and the armed bozos resist? Hostages? Crossfire?

Oh yeah, let me be first in line to put my kids in that sort of

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But yesterday, a Davidson County chancellor issued a restraining order barring the church from continuing its daily child services because it is not licensed to care for children, according to state law.

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Mowery Johnson added that state officials were trying to alert the church leaders about how they could get licensed. Operating an illegal child-care center is punishable by up to $2,500 per day, she said. The state suggested to the church that it could even shut down temporarily until a summer camp program starts within a matter of days. That would have resulted in a 90-day exemption from the registration requirements, she said.

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Mowery Johnson said the state's investigation was triggered by a complaint from a local fire inspector. ... ''We tried to work with them, and we want to get them licensed like any other church-affiliated child-care center,'' Mowery Johnson said. ''We're not telling them they can't teach what they are teaching. We simply are interested in the health, safety and well-being of the children.''

neutrino_cannon · 19th May 2004, 10:23 PM

Sounds like a brainwashing program. No kidding, I've read at lest one very good book on the subject.

Essentially, according to Mister Zablocki, the subjects are placed in a socially abusive situation that “breaks them down”, until the point that they uncritically accept authority. If the group is real slick, they can produce “deployable agents”, people who will act as their authorities would want them to when the authorities aren’t looking.

According to Zablocki et ali, most brainwashing programs aren’t very cost effective, and the only ones that regularly produce a high yield of deployable agents are Church of Scientology ones, possibly due to the highly repressive and totalist nature of Scientology outside of any sort of special program. I suspect, therefore that employing a brainwashing program is more of a power trip than anything else, since the subjects of such programs go back to being more or less what they were before once they leave the program.

Somebody hit me over the head in case I’ve misrepresented Zablocki’s case please?

Anyway, armed guards are not uncommon in such programs.

Mr Manifesto · 19th May 2004, 10:37 PM

Send in Force: Five

Dragonrock · 20th May 2004, 10:03 AM

This is an interesting question. They should be allowed to have armed guards on their private property, regardless of how safe anyone feels the neighborhood is. I am not refering to whether theyare brainwashing students, I just think they can have the protection they deem nessisary. Regardless if something thinks it is excessive.

19th May 2004, 11:42 AM	#1
shecky Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Home of the Homeless Posts: 2,190	"Armed guards at child 'camp' questioned by state official" http://www.tennessean.com/local/arch...nt_ID=51530767 Paranoid xtian "day camp"? What's the deal with these doofuses? Are they just a bunch of eccentric bible thumpers or are they itching for a Waco-styled martyrdom?

19th May 2004, 11:56 AM	#2
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,753	I agree that they are paranoid, but so what? Let the idiots have thier armed guards. I'm also pretty sure this falls under 1st amendment protection.
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19th May 2004, 02:24 PM	#4
LizardPeople Muse Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 719	"Church services" from six in the morning to six at night? That would seem to fall under "cruel and unusual punishment".
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,989	Quote: Originally posted by LizardPeople "Church services" from six in the morning to six at night? That would seem to fall under "cruel and unusual punishment". Oy. Let me see... force children to pray to Jesus for 12 hours. WJDT (Would Jesus do that)? If so, he's one angry-assed god.
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19th May 2004, 02:51 PM	#6
roger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 11,021	Well, if you read the article, the 6 to 6 claim sounds like a transparent ploy to try to avoid getting categorized as a day care center, which would mean no guns allowed.

19th May 2004, 04:04 PM	#7
evildave Guest Posts: n/a	Update: http://tennessean.com/local/archives...nt_ID=51497120 Alas, another group of buttheads who don't want to be tied down by any fire inspections heads downhill. Creepy 12 hours of church surrounded by gun wielding guards and no fire and safety inspections day care! Just the sort of environment that every parent should be delighted to have their children in. What happens if the police have to show up to enforce a court order, and the armed bozos resist? Hostages? Crossfire? Oh yeah, let me be first in line to put my kids in that sort of Quote: But yesterday, a Davidson County chancellor issued a restraining order barring the church from continuing its daily child services because it is not licensed to care for children, according to state law. Quote: Mowery Johnson added that state officials were trying to alert the church leaders about how they could get licensed. Operating an illegal child-care center is punishable by up to $2,500 per day, she said. The state suggested to the church that it could even shut down temporarily until a summer camp program starts within a matter of days. That would have resulted in a 90-day exemption from the registration requirements, she said. Quote: Mowery Johnson said the state's investigation was triggered by a complaint from a local fire inspector. ... ''We tried to work with them, and we want to get them licensed like any other church-affiliated child-care center,'' Mowery Johnson said. ''We're not telling them they can't teach what they are teaching. We simply are interested in the health, safety and well-being of the children.''
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19th May 2004, 10:23 PM	#8
neutrino_cannon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seventh circle of limbo Posts: 2,571	Sounds like a brainwashing program. No kidding, I've read at lest one very good book on the subject. Essentially, according to Mister Zablocki, the subjects are placed in a socially abusive situation that “breaks them down”, until the point that they uncritically accept authority. If the group is real slick, they can produce “deployable agents”, people who will act as their authorities would want them to when the authorities aren’t looking. According to Zablocki et ali, most brainwashing programs aren’t very cost effective, and the only ones that regularly produce a high yield of deployable agents are Church of Scientology ones, possibly due to the highly repressive and totalist nature of Scientology outside of any sort of special program. I suspect, therefore that employing a brainwashing program is more of a power trip than anything else, since the subjects of such programs go back to being more or less what they were before once they leave the program. Somebody hit me over the head in case I’ve misrepresented Zablocki’s case please? Anyway, armed guards are not uncommon in such programs.
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19th May 2004, 10:37 PM	#9
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Dragonrock Militant Elvisian Tacoist Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 9,856	This is an interesting question. They should be allowed to have armed guards on their private property, regardless of how safe anyone feels the neighborhood is. I am not refering to whether theyare brainwashing students, I just think they can have the protection they deem nessisary. Regardless if something thinks it is excessive.
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