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[Nie Trink Wasser]

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[Skeptical Greg]

You might want to credit the source unless it is your original work..

Kudos, if it is...

[Evolver]

Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

What do I win?

[TwoShanks]

Is this about me? No? Then I've lost interest.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

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Originally posted by Evolver
Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

What do I win?

since you'd call losing, winning

I guess we'll just leave you alone

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by Evolver
Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

What do I win?

What would you say is a left wing moron's view of Kerry..

That he is electable, perhaps?

Oh, and doesn't propaganda often contain an element of truth? It would be pretty easy to verify the allegations proposed in this cartoon...
Perhaps some left wing morons will actually look into it.
Or maybe they really don't care..

[Tony]

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Originally posted by Evolver
Uhhh.... the right wing moron's view of John Kerry, that they get from listening to political propagandists?

Umm..those are facts. There is nothing propagandistic about it. http://slate.msn.com//id/2096540/

http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/show...Kerrys+Waffles

[Evolver]

Not quite facts. Factoids maybe.

Using Limbaugh techniques to take things out of context to make their opponent sound worse than they are.

I'm no Kerry fan. I wish the Dems came up with a better alternative to Bush. But here goes:

I don't believe Kerry calls himself a war hero. Others do that for him.

Yeah, Kerry voted against some weapons. But he voted for some as well. Not every weapon is a good idea.

"I say I supported most of the tax cuts" Wrong. He has said he supports cutting taxes, but he never said he supported "the tax cuts", Bush's ill conceived windfall for the ultra-rich.

Many Senators voted for the Patriot Act, but are now against it.

[Tony]

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Originally posted by Evolver
Not quite facts. Factoids maybe.

Using Limbaugh techniques to take things out of context to make their opponent sound worse than they are.

They are facts. Kerry DID vote for the Patriot Act. Kerry DID vote to support the war in Iraq. There is no context which to take the facts out of. His voting record speaks for itself.

[DavidJames]

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They are facts. Kerry DID vote for the Patriot Act. Kerry DID vote to support the war in Iraq. There is no context which to take the facts out of. His voting record speaks for itself.

Speaking for myself, When Bush/Powell/Etc. were making their case for the war I was on the fence, if the "facts" they presented were true, I would have supported the war. After over a year, it's become evident those "facts" were highly suspect if not completely bogus.

I think a reasonable person cannot be held to an opinion when it turns out the facts they used to formulate that opinion turn out to be wrong. Do you disagree? Do you think once an opinion is made, you should stick to it, regardless how circumstances change?

[Nasarius]

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Originally posted by DavidJames
Do you think once an opinion is made, you should stick to it, regardless how circumstances change?

Frighteningly enough, this seems to be exactly what President Bush and his supporters think.

[Evolver]

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Originally posted by Tony

His voting record speaks for itself.

And it doesn't say what the Bush wants it to say, just because he (and you) keeps repeating it. Again, look at the context of the votes.

[Tony]

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Originally posted by DavidJames
Do you disagree?

No I don't.

[Tmy]

AH yes "facts".

Like on Hannity n Combs last night. THe topic was high gas prices and Bushs lack of action. What did Hannity talk about?? How John Kerry wanted "a 50 cent tax increase."

Of cosure that was like10 years ago, he would never do that today, AND thats totally irrelevent to the issue of GW's lack of action on the gas prices.

[zakur]

Is the Bush campaign implying that Bush does not waffle, or just that Kerry waffles more than Bush?

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/waffle_house.htm

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954

[Tony]

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Originally posted by Evolver


And it doesn't say what the Bush wants it to say, just because he (and you) keeps repeating it.

Huh? So you deny those facts? And wtf is "And it doesn't say what the Bush wants it to say"? I don't give a ***** about Bush.

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Again, look at the context of the votes.

Better yet, why don't YOU tell me the context of Kerry's votes and how his votes were taken out of said context. And then explain how it's relevant to the facts.

Kerry on:

Welfare Reform

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In 1988, Sen. Kerry voted against a proposal to require at least one parent in any two-parent welfare family to work a mere 16 hours a week, declaring the work requirement "troublesome to me."

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During his 1996 re-election campaign, when his Republican challenger, Gov. William Weld, was calling him soft on welfare, Kerry voted for the much stricter welfare reform law that Clinton signed into law.

Mandatory Minimums

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In 1993 and 1994, the senator from liberal Massachusetts voted against mandatory minimum sentences for gang activity, gun crimes, drug trafficking, and drug sales to minors, explaining in an impassioned speech that long sentences for some dealers who sell to minors would be "enormous injustices" and that some convicted drug offenders were "so barely culpable it is sad." He also said congressionally imposed mandatory minimums made no sense and would just create turf battles between federal and local prosecutors.

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Today, presidential candidate Kerry strongly supports mandatory minimum sentences for federal crimes, including the sale of drugs to minors.

Affirmative Action

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In 1992, Kerry created a huge stir among liberals and civil rights groups with a major policy address arguing that affirmative action has "kept America thinking in racial terms" and helped promote a "culture of dependency."

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Today, Kerry's campaign Web site vows to "Preserve Affirmative Action," noting that he "consistently opposed efforts in the Senate to undermine or eliminate affirmative action programs, and supports programs that seeks to enhance diversity." It doesn't mention any downside.

Death Penalty

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During one of his debates with Weld in 1996, Kerry ridiculed the idea of capital punishment for terrorists as a "terrorist protection policy," predicting that it would just discourage other nations from extraditing captured terrorists to the United States.

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Kerry still opposes capital punishment, but he now makes an exception for terrorists.

Education Reform

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In a 1998 policy speech the Boston Globe described as "a dramatic break from Democratic dogma," Kerry challenged teachers unions by proposing to gut their tenure and seniority systems, giving principals far more power to hire and fire unqualified or unmotivated teachers.

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Today, Kerry once again espouses pure Democratic dogma on education. His Web site pledges to "stop blaming and start supporting public school educators," vowing to give them "better training and better pay, with more career opportunities, more empowerment and more mentors." It doesn't mention seniority or tenure.

Face it, Kerry is a slime ball, piece of ***** politician.

[Tmy]

Is it fair to compare things he said like 15 years ago to things he says now??? Times change.

Bush said he wouldnt get into nationbuilding. Now were in Iraq.

Why??? Crazy little thing like 911 changed peoples attitudes.

[wjousts]

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Originally posted by Tmy
AH yes "facts".

Like on Hannity n Combs last night. THe topic was high gas prices and Bushs lack of action. What did Hannity talk about?? How John Kerry wanted "a 50 cent tax increase."

Of cosure that was like10 years ago, he would never do that today, AND thats totally irrelevent to the issue of GW's lack of action on the gas prices.

Not only was Kerry's comment more than 10 years ago, but it was only a comment. Unlike Cheney who actually sponsed a bill to increase taxes on gasoline. Cheney's record on taxation? Troubling!

[curious]

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Originally posted by Tony
Face it, Kerry is a slime ball, piece of ***** politician.

What do you think of Bush?

[crimresearch]

How terribly unfair...how typical of the unthinking followers of the partisan elite...to dare and drag a man's voting record, or his actions, and positions he has taken publicly into it...and then to dare to label them as facts...the very nerve!!!

How is anyone supposed to run a campaign when some people refuse to listen to reason, and keep wasting everyone's time with things like that, instead of sticking to the issues??

[Tony]

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Originally posted by Tmy
Is it fair to compare things he said like 15 years ago to things he says now??? Times change.

So in 1992 affirmative action "kept America thinking in racial terms" and helped promote a "culture of dependency." But today he "consistently opposed efforts in the Senate to undermine or eliminate affirmative action programs, and supports programs that seeks to enhance diversity." As usual, you're talking out of your ass TMY.

[wjousts]

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Originally posted by Tmy
Is it fair to compare things he said like 15 years ago to things he says now??? Times change.

No, no, no you have it all wrong. You're supposed to get an idea into your head and then have it stubbonly stick there despite all efforts to pry it out with either evidence that it's a bad idea or with changing circumstances. In the GOP they call it "Leadership".

[Tony]

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Originally posted by curious
What do you think of Bush?

Not too different from Kerry really, except that Bush is a newbie politician in relation to Kerry. Both of them are unprincipled and un-American.

[Evolver]

Tony,

I've never said Kerry wasn't a slimeball. He is. But the junk folks like Nie keep putting out about him just isn't accurate.

Welfare, Death Penalty, Affirmative Action? Where are they mentioned in graphic the troll posted?

Where is he anyway?

[Tmy]

They shoudl play these ads at a debate. And let the other side point out the misleading info. Thatd be a hoot to see politictians litterally stand behind their negative advertising.

[DavidJames]

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"consistently opposed efforts in the Senate to undermine or eliminate affirmative action programs,

Do you know the details behind the programs mentioned. Do you know specifically what Kerry did to "undermine" the effort? Do you know and understand why he did what he did? Until you can answer each of those questions, I don't think you have enough information to formulate an intelligent opinion.

[Tmy]

The Bushites need to make up there mind on the. "Kerry takes money from special interest" thing. Cause at the same time they compain that hes superrich and out of touch..

If hes super rich how can be bought by special interests???

[wjousts]

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Originally posted by Evolver
Yeah, Kerry voted against some weapons. But he voted for some as well. Not every weapon is a good idea.

It's not even that, he voted against some defence appropration bills as did many other senators (included John McCain) because they were loaded down with pork. He don't not vote against B2 bombers and patriot missles and all the rest of it, he voted against ONE bill that included money for thoses systems in addition to a bunch of other junk.
McCain was on I with I think it was Hannity the other day and basically told Hannity off for basically lying about Kerry's voting record on defence and Hannity admitted it was unfair and then just carried on doing it the next day.

[Tony]

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Originally posted by DavidJames
Do you know specifically what Kerry did to "undermine" the effort?

I suggest you re-read the original quote.

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Do you know and understand why he did what he did?

To appease black supremacists in his party and gain votes. Kerry was right in '92, to bad he sold out his principles.

[Tony]

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Originally posted by Evolver

I've never said Kerry wasn't a slimeball. He is. But the junk folks like Nie keep putting out about him just isn't accurate.

I have yet to see you challenge the accuracy in any meaningful or reasonable way.

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Welfare, Death Penalty, Affirmative Action? Where are they mentioned in graphic the troll posted?

Does it matter, his positions on said issues show the same pattern of self serving behavior.

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Where is he anyway?

Who?

[Tony]

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Originally posted by wjousts


It's not even that, he voted against some defence appropration bills as did many other senators (included John McCain) because they were loaded down with pork. He don't not vote against B2 bombers and patriot missles and all the rest of it, he voted against ONE bill that included money for thoses systems in addition to a bunch of other junk.
McCain was on I with I think it was Hannity the other day and basically told Hannity off for basically lying about Kerry's voting record on defence and Hannity admitted it was unfair and then just carried on doing it the next day.

It's safe to say that Hannity is a bigot.

[Evolver]

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Originally posted by Tony


I have yet to see you challenge the accuracy in any meaningful or reasonable way.

Kerry doesn't call himself a war hero.

What specific weapons for the present war did Kerry vte against?

"I say I supported most of the tax cuts" Wrong. He has said he supports cutting taxes, but he never said he supported "the tax cuts", Bush's ill conceived windfall for the ultra-rich.

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Does it matter, his positions on said issues show the same pattern of self serving behavior.

Maybe so. But irrelevant to the graphic posted.

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Who?

Nie. He has a tendancy to post and run.

[DavidJames]

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To appease black supremacists in his party and gain votes.

never mind, I was naive to think this was going to continue in a rational way.

[Tony]

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Originally posted by Evolver

What specific weapons for the present war did Kerry vte against?

Tomahawk Cruise missles for example.

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But irrelevant to the graphic posted.

Not really, it's the same slimeball behavior.

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Nie. He has a tendancy to post and run.

Ohh, I didn't know that. I rarely pay attention to his posts.

[Mr Manifesto]

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