Did Hitler Really Say That?

Mondial · 1st May 2012, 10:32 PM

Historian Wolfgang Haenel has revealed that a book HITLER SPEAKS (aka THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION) which since it came out in the 1930's had been widely touted as being the secret plans of the nazi leader is nothing but a pack of lies made up by a former disgruntled nazi party official. www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p378_Weber.html www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html
The quotes from the book which have been used by historians for decades are either outright fabrications or they come from other people.

lionking · 1st May 2012, 10:52 PM

The Institute for Historical Review is a holocaust denying hate site populated by scum like David Irving. If it said the sky was blue, I'd race outside to check.

Puppycow · 1st May 2012, 11:02 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann..._Hitler_Speaks

ETA:

Quote:

its credibility would later be severely criticised, and it now has no standing as an accurate document on Hitler for historians

I hope you are not going to go on to suggest that this proves that Hitler wasn't really so bad?

lionking · 2nd May 2012, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann..._Hitler_Speaks

ETA:

I hope you are not going to go on to suggest that this proves that Hitler wasn't really so bad?

What else would be doing if you cite IHR?

ddt · 2nd May 2012, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

The Institute for Historical Review is a holocaust denying hate site populated by scum like David Irving. If it said the sky was blue, I'd race outside to check.

That bears repeating.

The most authoritative work on this issue seems to be that of the Swiss Wolfgang Hänel, who first presented his findings at a conference of the revisionist association "Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle Ingolstadt". Hänel himself seems, however, not to be a "revisionist" but a bona fide historian.

And it also bears repeating here that Ian Kershaw has said he hasn't used a quote from this book for his Hitler biography.

Mondial · 2nd May 2012, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

Historian Wolfgang Haenel has revealed that a book HITLER SPEAKS (aka THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION) which since it came out in the 1930's had been widely touted as being the secret plans of the nazi leader is nothing but a pack of lies made up by a former disgruntled nazi party official. www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p378_Weber.html www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html
The quotes from the book which have been used by historians for decades are either outright fabrications or they come from other people.

The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not.

lionking · 2nd May 2012, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not.

According to whom? Did you read puppycow's post?

Laeke · 2nd May 2012, 01:34 AM

Not to mention the terrible quiproquo on Hitler's Mein Kunst.

ddt · 2nd May 2012, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not.

Evidence?

BazBear · 2nd May 2012, 02:12 AM

While the book may well be partly or totally a fabrication, I can't help but feel that this thread's purpose is nothing more or less than a round about way of defending Herr Hitler.

lionking · 2nd May 2012, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by BazBear

While the book may well be partly or totally a fabrication, I can't help but feel that this thread's purpose is nothing more or less than a round about way of defending Herr Hitler.

Of course it is. You only need to look at the posting history of the OP.

Belz... · 2nd May 2012, 03:01 AM

It's amazing how many of these defend-the-nazis-or-support-this-woo threads start with otherwise-benign-but-obvious-opener posts.

BazBear · 2nd May 2012, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Of course it is. You only need to look at the posting history of the OP.

Yes, I seen Mondial's posts over in CTville. That's exactly why I said that. I probably should have ended with a

to convey the slightly sarcastic tone I intended.

timhau · 2nd May 2012, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not.

May I suggest that you gather the true inner thoughts of Hitler and turn them into a musical?

paiute · 2nd May 2012, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

The Institute for Historical Review is a holocaust denying hate site populated by scum like David Irving. If it said the sky was blue, I'd race outside to check.

They would never say that, because Rayleigh was a Jew.

Mondial · 3rd May 2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

Historian Wolfgang Haenel has revealed that a book HITLER SPEAKS (aka THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION) which since it came out in the 1930's had been widely touted as being the secret plans of the nazi leader is nothing but a pack of lies made up by a former disgruntled nazi party official. www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p378_Weber.html www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html
The quotes from the book which have been used by historians for decades are either outright fabrications or they come from other people.

The entire book by Hermann Rauschning THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION is available here www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm

coalesce · 3rd May 2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

May I suggest that you gather the true inner thoughts of Hitler and turn them into a musical?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gyO9I3T8Ey...ime4hitler.jpg

You mean, you DON'T think that Hitler could dance the pants off of Churchill?

Michael

aggle-rithm · 3rd May 2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Laeke

Not to mention the terrible quiproquo on Hitler's Mein Kunst.

"My Art"?

aggle-rithm · 3rd May 2012, 10:29 AM

Does anyone else think the thread title would be a great name for a game show?

Craig B · 3rd May 2012, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

The entire book by Hermann Rauschning THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION is available here www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm

Also available (among many other similar works) is

Quote:

BOLSHEVISM FROM MOSES TO LENIN by Dietrich Eckart, friend and confidant of AH from 1919-23; AH dedicated Mein Kampf to him

How touching!

You really have some strange sources of information. The list of books available at that site could be mistaken for the catalogue from an SS library.

timhau · 3rd May 2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Craig B

You really have some strange sources of information. The list of books available at that site could be mistaken for the catalogue from an SS library.

What do you mean "could be mistaken for"?

stilicho · 3rd May 2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mondial

The entire book by Hermann Rauschning THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION is available here www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm

The original article claims that the entire book is a hoax and focuses on this quote:

Quote:

We must be brutal. We must regain a clear conscience about brutality. Only then can we drive out the tenderness from our people ... Do I propose to exterminate entire nationalities? Yes, it will add up to that ... I naturally have the right to destroy millions of men of inferior races who increase like vermin ... Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians. It is an honorable title.

I don't know whether it's the translation at fault but it's similar yet not identical in form and substance to other authentic Hitler quotes such as:

Quote:

A time will come, even though in the distant future, when there can be only two alternatives: Either the world will be ruled according to our modern concept of democracy, and then every decision will be in favour of the numerically stronger races; or the world will be governed by the law of natural distribution of power, and then those nations will be victorious who are of more brutal will and are not the nations who have practised self-denial.

Baloney · 3rd May 2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

Does anyone else think the thread title would be a great name for a game show?

May I present Garfunkel and Oates' "Who Said It: Kanye or Hitler?"

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MaGZ · 8th May 2012, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by timhau

May I suggest that you gather the true inner thoughts of Hitler and turn them into a musical?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gyO9I3T8Ey...ime4hitler.jpg

I see Jews.

kedo1981 · 8th May 2012, 08:59 AM

come on leave the guy alone already, he liked dogs and could draw a really good house

sackett · 8th May 2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

I see Jews.

Honey, you can see Jews with your eyes closed.

MG1962 · 8th May 2012, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

I see Jews.

Actually there is only one Jew in that shot

MG1962 · 8th May 2012, 12:13 PM

I have a question - If I drew information using only Hitler's public speeches from 1933 to 1939 would I draw a different conclusion to The Voice of Destruction

For me the answer is no

Captain_Swoop · 8th May 2012, 01:22 PM

Hitler... there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in ONE afternoon! TWO coats!

Saule · 8th May 2012, 01:36 PM

Did Ceasar really say that?

Captain_Swoop · 8th May 2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Saule

Did Ceasar really say that?

What? 'Infamy, Infamy, They've all got it infamy?

Well, according to Talbot Rothwell he did, and who am I to argue with him?

timhau · 8th May 2012, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

I see Jews.

All the time. They're everywhere.

Nice try, but no. That isn't Sixth Sense. And FYI, it's 'dead people', not 'Jews'.

xtifr · 8th May 2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

All the time. They're everywhere.

Nice try, but no. That isn't Sixth Sense. And FYI, it's 'dead people', not 'Jews'.

Well, Hitler was basically trying to convert the latter into the former. So there's that.

MarkCorrigan · 8th May 2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Actually there is only one Jew in that shot

Two.

Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder are both Jewish.

Moss · 8th May 2012, 11:12 PM

I like how MagZ is trying to sell us an almost thirty year old book by a mainstream historian as something new and allimportant.

xtifr · 9th May 2012, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Moss

I like how MagZ is trying to sell us an almost thirty year old book by a mainstream historian as something new and allimportant.

Huh? Did I miss something? The only thing I see from MagZ in this thread is a joke about the picture from The Producers. Which is well over 30 years old, but he didn't seem to be trying to sell it to us. Did you mean someone else, or is this a reference to another thread?

SezMe · 9th May 2012, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by kedo1981

come on leave the guy alone already, he liked dogs and could draw a really good house

No, no, please no. Now you've opened the door for applecorped.

Moss · 9th May 2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by xtifr

Huh? Did I miss something? The only thing I see from MagZ in this thread is a joke about the picture from The Producers. Which is well over 30 years old, but he didn't seem to be trying to sell it to us. Did you mean someone else, or is this a reference to another thread?

Sorry, for some reason I confused Mondial and MagZ.

Dcdrac · 9th May 2012, 09:50 AM

Why does everyone hate me - Adolf Hitler april 1945

Corsair 115 · 9th May 2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Moss

Sorry, for some reason I confused Mondial and MagZ.

Well, in your defence, that's a distinction without much of a difference.

1st May 2012, 10:32 PM	#1
Mondial Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 229	Did Hitler Really Say That? Historian Wolfgang Haenel has revealed that a book HITLER SPEAKS (aka THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION) which since it came out in the 1930's had been widely touted as being the secret plans of the nazi leader is nothing but a pack of lies made up by a former disgruntled nazi party official. www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p378_Weber.html www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html The quotes from the book which have been used by historians for decades are either outright fabrications or they come from other people.
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1st May 2012, 10:52 PM	#2
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2nd May 2012, 12:27 AM	#4
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ddt Mafia Penguin Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,323	Originally Posted by lionking The Institute for Historical Review is a holocaust denying hate site populated by scum like David Irving. If it said the sky was blue, I'd race outside to check. That bears repeating. The most authoritative work on this issue seems to be that of the Swiss Wolfgang Hänel, who first presented his findings at a conference of the revisionist association "Zeitgeschichtliche Forschungsstelle Ingolstadt". Hänel himself seems, however, not to be a "revisionist" but a bona fide historian. And it also bears repeating here that Ian Kershaw has said he hasn't used a quote from this book for his Hitler biography.
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2nd May 2012, 01:21 AM	#6
Mondial Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 229	Originally Posted by Mondial Historian Wolfgang Haenel has revealed that a book HITLER SPEAKS (aka THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION) which since it came out in the 1930's had been widely touted as being the secret plans of the nazi leader is nothing but a pack of lies made up by a former disgruntled nazi party official. www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p378_Weber.html www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html The quotes from the book which have been used by historians for decades are either outright fabrications or they come from other people. The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not.
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2nd May 2012, 01:23 AM	#7
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,653	Originally Posted by Mondial The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not. According to whom? Did you read puppycow's post?
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2nd May 2012, 01:34 AM	#8
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	Not to mention the terrible quiproquo on Hitler's Mein Kunst.

2nd May 2012, 02:12 AM	#10
BazBear Teddy Bears do have teeth! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In The Woods Behind Your House Posts: 1,613	While the book may well be partly or totally a fabrication, I can't help but feel that this thread's purpose is nothing more or less than a round about way of defending Herr Hitler.
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lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,653	Originally Posted by BazBear While the book may well be partly or totally a fabrication, I can't help but feel that this thread's purpose is nothing more or less than a round about way of defending Herr Hitler. Of course it is. You only need to look at the posting history of the OP.
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BazBear Teddy Bears do have teeth! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In The Woods Behind Your House Posts: 1,613	Originally Posted by lionking Of course it is. You only need to look at the posting history of the OP. Yes, I seen Mondial's posts over in CTville. That's exactly why I said that. I probably should have ended with a to convey the slightly sarcastic tone I intended.
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timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	Originally Posted by Mondial The reason for posting this thread is to point out that too many "historians", journalists and politicians use quotes from HITLER SPEAKS as if they are genuine when they are not. May I suggest that you gather the true inner thoughts of Hitler and turn them into a musical?
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paiute Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Smack in the middle of a de Broglie wavelength. Posts: 1,140	Originally Posted by lionking The Institute for Historical Review is a holocaust denying hate site populated by scum like David Irving. If it said the sky was blue, I'd race outside to check. They would never say that, because Rayleigh was a Jew.
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Mondial Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 229	Originally Posted by Mondial Historian Wolfgang Haenel has revealed that a book HITLER SPEAKS (aka THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION) which since it came out in the 1930's had been widely touted as being the secret plans of the nazi leader is nothing but a pack of lies made up by a former disgruntled nazi party official. www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p378_Weber.html www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p499_Weber.html The quotes from the book which have been used by historians for decades are either outright fabrications or they come from other people. The entire book by Hermann Rauschning THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION is available here www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm
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3rd May 2012, 10:24 AM	#17
coalesce Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 3,350	Originally Posted by timhau May I suggest that you gather the true inner thoughts of Hitler and turn them into a musical? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gyO9I3T8Ey...ime4hitler.jpg You mean, you DON'T think that Hitler could dance the pants off of Churchill? Michael
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Craig B Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,939	Originally Posted by Mondial The entire book by Hermann Rauschning THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION is available here www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm Also available (among many other similar works) is Quote: BOLSHEVISM FROM MOSES TO LENIN by Dietrich Eckart, friend and confidant of AH from 1919-23; AH dedicated Mein Kampf to him How touching! You really have some strange sources of information. The list of books available at that site could be mistaken for the catalogue from an SS library.
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3rd May 2012, 10:56 AM	#21
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	Originally Posted by Craig B You really have some strange sources of information. The list of books available at that site could be mistaken for the catalogue from an SS library. What do you mean "could be mistaken for"?
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3rd May 2012, 11:50 AM	#22
stilicho Trurl's Electronic Bard Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,714	Originally Posted by Mondial The entire book by Hermann Rauschning THE VOICE OF DESTRUCTION is available here www.jrbooksonline.com/Voice%20of%20Destruction.htm The original article claims that the entire book is a hoax and focuses on this quote: Quote: We must be brutal. We must regain a clear conscience about brutality. Only then can we drive out the tenderness from our people ... Do I propose to exterminate entire nationalities? Yes, it will add up to that ... I naturally have the right to destroy millions of men of inferior races who increase like vermin ... Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians. It is an honorable title. I don't know whether it's the translation at fault but it's similar yet not identical in form and substance to other authentic Hitler quotes such as: Quote: A time will come, even though in the distant future, when there can be only two alternatives: Either the world will be ruled according to our modern concept of democracy, and then every decision will be in favour of the numerically stronger races; or the world will be governed by the law of natural distribution of power, and then those nations will be victorious who are of more brutal will and are not the nations who have practised self-denial.
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8th May 2012, 04:45 AM	#24
MaGZ Suspended Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,319	Originally Posted by timhau May I suggest that you gather the true inner thoughts of Hitler and turn them into a musical? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gyO9I3T8Ey...ime4hitler.jpg I see Jews.
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8th May 2012, 08:59 AM	#25
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8th May 2012, 12:01 PM	#26
sackett Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,618	Originally Posted by MaGZ I see Jews. Honey, you can see Jews with your eyes closed.
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8th May 2012, 12:07 PM	#27
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by MaGZ I see Jews. Actually there is only one Jew in that shot

8th May 2012, 12:13 PM	#28
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	I have a question - If I drew information using only Hitler's public speeches from 1933 to 1939 would I draw a different conclusion to The Voice of Destruction For me the answer is no

8th May 2012, 01:22 PM	#29
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,917	Hitler... there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in ONE afternoon! TWO coats!

8th May 2012, 01:36 PM	#30
Saule Scholar Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 102	Did Ceasar really say that?
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8th May 2012, 02:07 PM	#31
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,917	Originally Posted by Saule Did Ceasar really say that? What? 'Infamy, Infamy, They've all got it infamy? Well, according to Talbot Rothwell he did, and who am I to argue with him?

8th May 2012, 02:11 PM	#32
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,673	Originally Posted by MaGZ I see Jews. All the time. They're everywhere. Nice try, but no. That isn't Sixth Sense. And FYI, it's 'dead people', not 'Jews'.
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8th May 2012, 05:47 PM	#33
xtifr Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sol III Posts: 563	Originally Posted by timhau All the time. They're everywhere. Nice try, but no. That isn't Sixth Sense. And FYI, it's 'dead people', not 'Jews'. Well, Hitler was basically trying to convert the latter into the former. So there's that.
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8th May 2012, 06:51 PM	#34
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8th May 2012, 11:12 PM	#35
Moss Dramatocrat Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Heiligsblechle country Posts: 3,229	I like how MagZ is trying to sell us an almost thirty year old book by a mainstream historian as something new and allimportant.

9th May 2012, 12:40 AM	#36
xtifr Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sol III Posts: 563	Originally Posted by Moss I like how MagZ is trying to sell us an almost thirty year old book by a mainstream historian as something new and allimportant. Huh? Did I miss something? The only thing I see from MagZ in this thread is a joke about the picture from The Producers. Which is well over 30 years old, but he didn't seem to be trying to sell it to us. Did you mean someone else, or is this a reference to another thread?
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9th May 2012, 12:59 AM	#37
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by kedo1981 come on leave the guy alone already, he liked dogs and could draw a really good house No, no, please no. Now you've opened the door for applecorped.