[Ed] Petition: Stop teaching acupuncture & chiropractics at RMIT

Orphia Nay · 5th May 2012, 12:27 AM

RMIT University: Stop teaching acupuncture and chiropractics as evidence based medicine

http://www.change.org/petitions/rmit...based-medicine

Quote:

In 2011, for its chiropractic course, RMIT University [the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology] was awarded the Bent Spoon [by the Australian Skeptics] which "is presented annually to the perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of paranormal or pseudo-scientific piffle." This is rightly harmful to the reputation of RMIT and harmful to the reputation of science degrees that RMIT offers.

It is important that universities teach and promote science and educate against ignorance or misinformation. Both chiropractics and acupuncture are based on out-dated models and still lack enough strong evidence that demonstrate their effectiveness as treatments.

The scientific method works and for this simple reason, its name is often hijacked in the support of unscientific medicine that can cause harm and prevent or delay patients from seeking proper medical care. If we want to ensure the public makes informed decisions with health care and if we want to keep the trust of the community in science and in our tertiary institutions, then we must criticise pseudo-science and we urge RMIT University to support evidence based medicine.

http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/an...oretta-marron/

http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0053...-shoulder-pain

http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0054...-low-back-pain

http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0010...apy-for-asthma

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/%2021923248

Sign, please!

RMIT is a fine institution on the whole. It needs a prod to pull up its socks.

Likewise, I shall prod you if you don't sign.

Foolmewunz · 5th May 2012, 12:31 AM

Well, since you asked so nicely. (And they say there are no genteel women left in the Antipodes... )

Akhenaten · 5th May 2012, 12:35 AM

I've signed, but can I still have the prodding?

Orphia Nay · 5th May 2012, 12:42 AM

Thanks, guys.

Erm, OK, Foolmewunz gets to do the prodding since he was first to sign.

lionking · 5th May 2012, 12:42 AM

Signed a week ago.

slingblade · 5th May 2012, 12:47 AM

Done.

...will you prod me anyway? I'm kinda lonely...

Wudang · 5th May 2012, 02:40 AM

You should post in Science & Medicine. A number of posters have a lot of ammo and experience.

Joey McGee · 5th May 2012, 02:44 AM

31 Views and the petition has risen about a dozen or so? Shame!

Orphia Nay · 5th May 2012, 02:49 AM

Right, you're all getting a good prodding!

Originally Posted by Wudang

You should post in Science & Medicine. A number of posters have a lot of ammo and experience.

I was wavering between Community and Sci/Med, but Community gets more traffic (according to the post counts on the Forum Index).

Carnivore · 5th May 2012, 03:25 AM

Signed. Prodded separately.

Legend · 5th May 2012, 03:31 AM

Doneded.

Malfie Henpox · 5th May 2012, 03:52 AM

I signed and I suck.

slingblade · 5th May 2012, 07:08 AM

I put a link to the petition on my FB as well.

wollery · 5th May 2012, 08:15 AM

Signed

GlennB · 5th May 2012, 08:30 AM

It kept freaking out and refreshing when I clicked "Outside US". When I pretended to live in Delaware it spat at me and hurled verbal abuse. So I prodded the screen. Well, actually, in the spirit of homeopathy I just thought about prodding it.

jhunter1163 · 5th May 2012, 08:57 AM

OK, I signed. Now where's my prodding?

Oh... if I don't sign... gotta read these things more carefully.

Foolmewunz · 5th May 2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Right, you're all getting a good prodding!

I was wavering between Community and Sci/Med, but Community gets more traffic (according to the post counts on the Forum Index).

That's a serious misconception. Visitors can't see Community and we have a ratio of about 3:5 members to visitors. Also, look at the Forum Main Page (click the JREF Forum tag at the top of this page) and you can see number of people attending at any one time. Right this very minute that I'm typing there are 54 people viewing Sci/Math and 10 viewing Community. I'm not sure why the Index would show higher post counts. Maybe because Community has been around for a number of years more? I'm not sure.

Sideroxylon · 5th May 2012, 10:18 AM

Done. Seriously? RMIT are "teaching acupuncture and chiropractics as evidence based medicine"? That's telling porkies.

Orphia Nay · 5th May 2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

I put a link to the petition on my FB as well.

Thank you! That's the idea, people!

Thanks to all who have signed so far.

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

That's a serious misconception. Visitors can't see Community and we have a ratio of about 3:5 members to visitors. Also, look at the Forum Main Page (click the JREF Forum tag at the top of this page) and you can see number of people attending at any one time. Right this very minute that I'm typing there are 54 people viewing Sci/Math and 10 viewing Community. I'm not sure why the Index would show higher post counts. Maybe because Community has been around for a number of years more? I'm not sure.

Well, darn. I shall see if I can get it moved. Thanks, FMW.

BravesFan · 5th May 2012, 03:44 PM

I am going to sign, but does Australia recognize signatures from non citizens?

This will not preclude me from signing btw, just wondering.

Amapola · 5th May 2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by BravesFan

I am going to sign, but does Australia recognize signatures from non citizens?

This will not preclude me from signing btw, just wondering.

I had the impression it was in the USA...

Probably I'm not paying enough attention.

lionking · 5th May 2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

Done. Seriously? RMIT are "teaching acupuncture and chiropractics as evidence based medicine"? That's telling porkies.

There are traineeships, funded by state and federal governments in Ayurvedic Lifestyle Management (amongst other rubbish). This "discipline" claims to date from pre-historic times where sharp stones were used on acupuncture points. I'll look up who does the training.

ETA the Sunshine Coast Institute of TAFE is one. Not that far removed from RMIT

The Nimble Pianist · 5th May 2012, 05:01 PM

I gotta say, I'm a little reluctant to sign. Isn't this how things like creationism and even "alternative" medicine get put in curricula, by popularity vote?

BravesFan · 5th May 2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Amapola

I had the impression it was in the USA...

Probably I'm not paying enough attention.

you are prolly right (I just saw Royal Melbourn Inst. of Tech and assumed Aussie)

Signed btw, prod at your leisure

Kepler · 5th May 2012, 07:13 PM

Thank you Orphia Nay for sharing the petition

Originally Posted by The Nimble Pianist

I gotta say, I'm a little reluctant to sign. Isn't this how things like creationism and even "alternative" medicine get put in curricula, by popularity vote?

That is a fair point, if the argument against teaching pseudo-science hadn't already been made by people that know far more about science and medicine than I do, then I probably would not of made the petition. However RMIT has already been made aware of the fact that they are teaching and promoting quack medicine by groups such as Australian Skeptics and Friends of Science in Medicine. Yet in the face of criticism, School of Health Sciences at RMIT has publicly defended their alternative medicine program.

RMIT needs to realise the amount of harm they are doing to their reputation (therefore possibly discouraging students and funding), and that it isn't just academics that have problem with it. RMIT can just ignore the petition but at the very least it will inform some people about the issue.

I will also add that while RMIT University is in Australia, it has currently 12,000 international students enrolled and which they charge more to study. So it is not a problem if people from other nations sign the petition.

Alan · 5th May 2012, 08:22 PM

I studied science at RMIT from 2006 to 2008, within the school of health sciences, and I encountered a few chiropractic students. I didn't encounter any acupuncture students to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by Kepler

I will also add that while RMIT University is in Australia, it has currently 12,000 international students enrolled and which they charge more to study. So it is not a problem if people from other nations sign the petition.

There are also two campuses in Vietnam, and my understanding is that international students are always charged more in Australia due to a lack of subsidies but I'm not certain (so I don't think it's a decision from RMIT to charge them more).

Originally Posted by BravesFan

you are prolly right (I just saw Royal Melbourn Inst. of Tech and assumed Aussie)

Signed btw, prod at your leisure

It is in Australia. And Vietnam.

Kepler · 5th May 2012, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Alan

I studied science at RMIT from 2006 to 2008 and I encountered a few chiropractic students. I didn't encounter any acupuncture students to my knowledge.

I don't know how many do study acupuncture but RMIT does offer Master of Applied Science (Acupuncture). And for one subject,

Originally Posted by RMIT website

Course Description

Acupuncture Theory and Practice 1 is crucial for students’ learning of Acupuncture Theory and Practice 2, Acupuncture Techniques, and Clinical Chinese Medicine 1-3. This course aims to develop knowledge and skills relating to basic theory of the meridian system and acupuncture points, including connections and Qi flow direction, symptoms and signs of the 8 out of 14 meridians; to accurately locate and trace meridians and points; and to understand the functions, indications, contraindications and the anatomical basis of 220 out of 405 acupoints to enable students to apply these clinically.

Originally Posted by Alan

There are also two campuses in Vietnam, and my understanding is that international students are always charged more in Australia due to a lack of subsidies but I'm not certain (so I don't think it's a decision from RMIT to charge them more).

You could be right about the subsidies, regardless they receive a significant amount of money from international students.

fishbob · 5th May 2012, 11:07 PM

Signed, but as yet unproddeded.

Orphia Nay · 5th May 2012, 11:16 PM

Thanks to all who have signed.

*Does the prod dance*

Hi, Kepler! I didn't know you were a member here. Glad you found the thread. That saves me from trying to stalk you on Facebook.

Kepler · 5th May 2012, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Thanks to all who have signed.

*Does the prod dance*

Hi, Kepler! I didn't know you were a member here. Glad you found the thread. That saves me from trying to stalk you on Facebook.

I was debating a 9/11 conspiracy theorist online and found this place a handy resource. And I have occasionally lurked here ever since.

Feel free to stalk me on facebook though

rjh01 · 5th May 2012, 11:54 PM

I have signed the petition.

Orphia Nay · 6th May 2012, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kepler

I was debating a 9/11 conspiracy theorist online and found this place a handy resource. And I have occasionally lurked here ever since.

Feel free to stalk me on facebook though

Done.

9/11 CTs, eh? We have a lot to talk about, in another forum.

Thanks, rjh01, and whomever has signed recently.

rjh01 · 7th May 2012, 05:24 AM

Only 177 signatures out of 3,000 required. Not enough. The last 77 took 9 days.

What happens when 3,000 signatures are collected?

not_so_new · 7th May 2012, 09:42 AM

Signed... and I am gonna be out of the office for a few days so can I set up my prodding for next week please?

Yuri Nalyssus · 8th May 2012, 09:40 AM

Signed - it got my name wrong though, seems the Nalyssus family isn't good enough for them - it's OK though, I used a pseudonym!

Yuri

Orphia Nay · 8th May 2012, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by not_so_new

Signed... and I am gonna be out of the office for a few days so can I set up my prodding for next week please?

Sure thing. I can prod on demand, so long as you sign (or don't sign).

Originally Posted by Yuri Nalyssus

Signed - it got my name wrong though, seems the Nalyssus family isn't good enough for them - it's OK though, I used a pseudonym!

Yuri

You do have such a nice 'real' name, Yuri.

Yuri Nalyssus · 9th May 2012, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

You do have such a nice 'real' name, Yuri.

Aw shucks!

Yuri

Blue Bubble · 10th May 2012, 02:41 AM

Signed (Roy Omond, Great Chesterford, UK).

Orphia Nay · 10th May 2012, 02:50 AM

Thanks! *prod*

Acleron · 10th May 2012, 10:10 AM

Signed

5th May 2012, 12:27 AM	#1
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	Petition: Stop teaching acupuncture & chiropractics at RMIT RMIT University: Stop teaching acupuncture and chiropractics as evidence based medicine http://www.change.org/petitions/rmit...based-medicine Quote: In 2011, for its chiropractic course, RMIT University [the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology] was awarded the Bent Spoon [by the Australian Skeptics] which "is presented annually to the perpetrator of the most preposterous piece of paranormal or pseudo-scientific piffle." This is rightly harmful to the reputation of RMIT and harmful to the reputation of science degrees that RMIT offers. It is important that universities teach and promote science and educate against ignorance or misinformation. Both chiropractics and acupuncture are based on out-dated models and still lack enough strong evidence that demonstrate their effectiveness as treatments. The scientific method works and for this simple reason, its name is often hijacked in the support of unscientific medicine that can cause harm and prevent or delay patients from seeking proper medical care. If we want to ensure the public makes informed decisions with health care and if we want to keep the trust of the community in science and in our tertiary institutions, then we must criticise pseudo-science and we urge RMIT University to support evidence based medicine. http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/an...oretta-marron/ http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0053...-shoulder-pain http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0054...-low-back-pain http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0010...apy-for-asthma http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/%2021923248 Sign, please! RMIT is a fine institution on the whole. It needs a prod to pull up its socks. Likewise, I shall prod you if you don't sign.
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5th May 2012, 12:31 AM	#2
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,524	Well, since you asked so nicely. (And they say there are no genteel women left in the Antipodes... )
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5th May 2012, 12:35 AM	#3
Akhenaten Heretic Pharaoh Pither Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pi-Broadford, Australia Posts: 24,682	I've signed, but can I still have the prodding?
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5th May 2012, 12:42 AM	#4
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	Thanks, guys. Erm, OK, Foolmewunz gets to do the prodding since he was first to sign.
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5th May 2012, 12:42 AM	#5
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,673	Signed a week ago.
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5th May 2012, 12:47 AM	#6
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Done. ...will you prod me anyway? I'm kinda lonely...
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5th May 2012, 02:40 AM	#7
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,247	You should post in Science & Medicine. A number of posters have a lot of ammo and experience.
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5th May 2012, 02:44 AM	#8
Joey McGee Transcendental Naturalist Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,133	31 Views and the petition has risen about a dozen or so? Shame!
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5th May 2012, 02:49 AM	#9
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	Right, you're all getting a good prodding! Originally Posted by Wudang You should post in Science & Medicine. A number of posters have a lot of ammo and experience. I was wavering between Community and Sci/Med, but Community gets more traffic (according to the post counts on the Forum Index).
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5th May 2012, 03:25 AM	#10
Carnivore Salad Dodger Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 1,384	Signed. Prodded separately.
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5th May 2012, 03:31 AM	#11
Legend Focu Meu! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 10,315	Doneded.
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5th May 2012, 03:52 AM	#12
Malfie Henpox Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 3,812	I signed and I suck.

5th May 2012, 07:08 AM	#13
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	I put a link to the petition on my FB as well.
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5th May 2012, 08:15 AM	#14
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Land of Eternal Hope Posts: 10,319	Signed
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5th May 2012, 08:30 AM	#15
GlennB Jellied eel and offal fancier Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arcadia Posts: 8,955	It kept freaking out and refreshing when I clicked "Outside US". When I pretended to live in Delaware it spat at me and hurled verbal abuse. So I prodded the screen. Well, actually, in the spirit of homeopathy I just thought about prodding it.

5th May 2012, 08:57 AM	#16
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,585	OK, I signed. Now where's my prodding? Oh... if I don't sign... gotta read these things more carefully.

5th May 2012, 09:00 AM	#17
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,524	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Right, you're all getting a good prodding! I was wavering between Community and Sci/Med, but Community gets more traffic (according to the post counts on the Forum Index). That's a serious misconception. Visitors can't see Community and we have a ratio of about 3:5 members to visitors. Also, look at the Forum Main Page (click the JREF Forum tag at the top of this page) and you can see number of people attending at any one time. Right this very minute that I'm typing there are 54 people viewing Sci/Math and 10 viewing Community. I'm not sure why the Index would show higher post counts. Maybe because Community has been around for a number of years more? I'm not sure.
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5th May 2012, 10:18 AM	#18
Sideroxylon Gavagai! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Turkey Posts: 10,634	Done. Seriously? RMIT are "teaching acupuncture and chiropractics as evidence based medicine"? That's telling porkies.
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5th May 2012, 03:35 PM	#19
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	Originally Posted by slingblade I put a link to the petition on my FB as well. Thank you! That's the idea, people! Thanks to all who have signed so far. Originally Posted by Foolmewunz That's a serious misconception. Visitors can't see Community and we have a ratio of about 3:5 members to visitors. Also, look at the Forum Main Page (click the JREF Forum tag at the top of this page) and you can see number of people attending at any one time. Right this very minute that I'm typing there are 54 people viewing Sci/Math and 10 viewing Community. I'm not sure why the Index would show higher post counts. Maybe because Community has been around for a number of years more? I'm not sure. Well, darn. I shall see if I can get it moved. Thanks, FMW.
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5th May 2012, 03:44 PM	#20
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	I am going to sign, but does Australia recognize signatures from non citizens? This will not preclude me from signing btw, just wondering.

5th May 2012, 03:49 PM	#21
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 8,260	Originally Posted by BravesFan I am going to sign, but does Australia recognize signatures from non citizens? This will not preclude me from signing btw, just wondering. I had the impression it was in the USA... Probably I'm not paying enough attention.
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5th May 2012, 04:15 PM	#22
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,673	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon Done. Seriously? RMIT are "teaching acupuncture and chiropractics as evidence based medicine"? That's telling porkies. There are traineeships, funded by state and federal governments in Ayurvedic Lifestyle Management (amongst other rubbish). This "discipline" claims to date from pre-historic times where sharp stones were used on acupuncture points. I'll look up who does the training. ETA the Sunshine Coast Institute of TAFE is one. Not that far removed from RMIT
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5th May 2012, 05:01 PM	#23
The Nimble Pianist Muse Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 608	I gotta say, I'm a little reluctant to sign. Isn't this how things like creationism and even "alternative" medicine get put in curricula, by popularity vote?
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5th May 2012, 06:04 PM	#24
BravesFan Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ocean Springs, Ms Posts: 1,784	Originally Posted by Amapola I had the impression it was in the USA... Probably I'm not paying enough attention. you are prolly right (I just saw Royal Melbourn Inst. of Tech and assumed Aussie) Signed btw, prod at your leisure

5th May 2012, 07:13 PM	#25
Kepler New Blood Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3	Thank you Orphia Nay for sharing the petition Originally Posted by The Nimble Pianist I gotta say, I'm a little reluctant to sign. Isn't this how things like creationism and even "alternative" medicine get put in curricula, by popularity vote? That is a fair point, if the argument against teaching pseudo-science hadn't already been made by people that know far more about science and medicine than I do, then I probably would not of made the petition. However RMIT has already been made aware of the fact that they are teaching and promoting quack medicine by groups such as Australian Skeptics and Friends of Science in Medicine. Yet in the face of criticism, School of Health Sciences at RMIT has publicly defended their alternative medicine program. RMIT needs to realise the amount of harm they are doing to their reputation (therefore possibly discouraging students and funding), and that it isn't just academics that have problem with it. RMIT can just ignore the petition but at the very least it will inform some people about the issue. I will also add that while RMIT University is in Australia, it has currently 12,000 international students enrolled and which they charge more to study. So it is not a problem if people from other nations sign the petition.
	Last edited by Kepler; 5th May 2012 at 07:16 PM.

5th May 2012, 08:22 PM	#26
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	I studied science at RMIT from 2006 to 2008, within the school of health sciences, and I encountered a few chiropractic students. I didn't encounter any acupuncture students to my knowledge. Originally Posted by Kepler I will also add that while RMIT University is in Australia, it has currently 12,000 international students enrolled and which they charge more to study. So it is not a problem if people from other nations sign the petition. There are also two campuses in Vietnam, and my understanding is that international students are always charged more in Australia due to a lack of subsidies but I'm not certain (so I don't think it's a decision from RMIT to charge them more). Originally Posted by BravesFan you are prolly right (I just saw Royal Melbourn Inst. of Tech and assumed Aussie) Signed btw, prod at your leisure It is in Australia. And Vietnam.
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5th May 2012, 08:37 PM	#27
Kepler New Blood Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3	Originally Posted by Alan I studied science at RMIT from 2006 to 2008 and I encountered a few chiropractic students. I didn't encounter any acupuncture students to my knowledge. I don't know how many do study acupuncture but RMIT does offer Master of Applied Science (Acupuncture). And for one subject, Originally Posted by RMIT website Course Description Acupuncture Theory and Practice 1 is crucial for students’ learning of Acupuncture Theory and Practice 2, Acupuncture Techniques, and Clinical Chinese Medicine 1-3. This course aims to develop knowledge and skills relating to basic theory of the meridian system and acupuncture points, including connections and Qi flow direction, symptoms and signs of the 8 out of 14 meridians; to accurately locate and trace meridians and points; and to understand the functions, indications, contraindications and the anatomical basis of 220 out of 405 acupoints to enable students to apply these clinically. Originally Posted by Alan There are also two campuses in Vietnam, and my understanding is that international students are always charged more in Australia due to a lack of subsidies but I'm not certain (so I don't think it's a decision from RMIT to charge them more). You could be right about the subsidies, regardless they receive a significant amount of money from international students.

5th May 2012, 11:07 PM	#28
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,667	Signed, but as yet unproddeded.
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5th May 2012, 11:16 PM	#29
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	Thanks to all who have signed. Does the prod dance Hi, Kepler! I didn't know you were a member here. Glad you found the thread. That saves me from trying to stalk you on Facebook.
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5th May 2012, 11:40 PM	#30
Kepler New Blood Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Thanks to all who have signed. Does the prod dance Hi, Kepler! I didn't know you were a member here. Glad you found the thread. That saves me from trying to stalk you on Facebook. I was debating a 9/11 conspiracy theorist online and found this place a handy resource. And I have occasionally lurked here ever since. Feel free to stalk me on facebook though

5th May 2012, 11:54 PM	#31
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,197	I have signed the petition.
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6th May 2012, 03:23 AM	#32
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	Originally Posted by Kepler I was debating a 9/11 conspiracy theorist online and found this place a handy resource. And I have occasionally lurked here ever since. Feel free to stalk me on facebook though Done. 9/11 CTs, eh? We have a lot to talk about, in another forum. Thanks, rjh01, and whomever has signed recently.
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7th May 2012, 05:24 AM	#33
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,197	Only 177 signatures out of 3,000 required. Not enough. The last 77 took 9 days. What happens when 3,000 signatures are collected?
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7th May 2012, 09:42 AM	#34
not_so_new Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,544	Signed... and I am gonna be out of the office for a few days so can I set up my prodding for next week please?

8th May 2012, 09:40 AM	#35
Yuri Nalyssus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Ancient Isle of Avignuon Posts: 1,074	Signed - it got my name wrong though, seems the Nalyssus family isn't good enough for them - it's OK though, I used a pseudonym! Yuri
	__________________ "The test of democracy is freedom of criticism." -David Ben-Gurion Peasant: Now we see the violence inherent in the system. King: Shut up! Peasant: Come and see the violence inherent in the system, help, help! I’m being repressed! King: Bloody peasant! Peasant: Ooh, what a giveaway, did you hear that... that’s what I’m on about, d’you see him repressing me? You saw it didn’t you... - Monty Python and The Holy Grail