Car designer Carroll Shelby, 89, dies - Page 2

qayak · 15th May 2012, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Same principal applies to the Dodge Viper which I believe Shelby had a hand in designing. Huge engine, lightweight, no electronic nannies, and hard to control if you don't know what you are doing. It may have been the most dangerous new car made. There is no way you could have got me to buy one. Sure, in the hands of an expert driver, they are extremely fast around the track but I don't pretend that I am Michael Schumacher. The nannies are now mandatory. I might buy a next gen Viper.

The first gen. Viper was ***** and everyone knew it. Come on, a V10 high performance vehicle that had a longer 60-0 stopping distance than the Dodge Caravan. Yeah, that's a good idea!

But that's North American manufacturers. Look at what happened with the Pontiac Fiero. Design it with a 4 banger, but before it comes out, Toyota debuts the MR2 so Pontiac throws a V6 with way more horsepower in as an option... but doesn't improve the brakes for the bigger, more powerful engine!

Then you look at Mazda's RX7. Redesigned with a 1.3 litre rotary to go after the best Corvette Chevy had to offer. Did they succeed? Well, 0-60, no. They were .2 seconds slower but put the two on a track and the Corvette was like a dinosaur.

Of course, the Cobra didn't have those problem. It did everything as well, or better, than its competitors. It was the Veyron of its day.

The Dark Lord · 15th May 2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by qayak

The first gen. Viper was ***** and everyone knew it. Come on, a V10 high performance vehicle that had a longer 60-0 stopping distance than the Dodge Caravan. Yeah, that's a good idea!

But that's North American manufacturers. Look at what happened with the Pontiac Fiero. Design it with a 4 banger, but before it comes out, Toyota debuts the MR2 so Pontiac throws a V6 with way more horsepower in as an option... but doesn't improve the brakes for the bigger, more powerful engine!

Then you look at Mazda's RX7. Redesigned with a 1.3 litre rotary to go after the best Corvette Chevy had to offer. Did they succeed? Well, 0-60, no. They were .2 seconds slower but put the two on a track and the Corvette was like a dinosaur.

I don't really care what American car makers did 20-30 years ago. I care about what they do today. And today they make very good performance cars. The Corvette ZR1 is faster than the European competition and significantly cheaper. Ditto, probably, for the new Viper. The Cadillac CTS-V, which I drive is, I think, better all around than the European competition and it is significantly cheaper. The Mustang and the Camaro are both very good.

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Of course, the Cobra didn't have those problem. It did everything as well, or better, than its competitors. It was the Veyron of its day.

The Cobra just a big engine in a really small car. Of course it was fast. And of course it could handle well. But you had to really know what you were doing otherwise it could all be over. The Veyron is a technological marvel and any idiot (with a lot of money) can drive one really fast.

NewtonTrino · 16th May 2012, 12:51 PM

Dark Lord, just wanted to say I love the CTS-V. Great car that destroys the competition for the price. I've got a Z06 as well which is a nice car but I've been seriously thinking about the V as more of a family car.

Resume · 16th May 2012, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

Dark Lord, just wanted to say I love the CTS-V. Great car that destroys the competition for the price. I've got a Z06 as well which is a nice car but I've been seriously thinking about the V as more of a family car.

How fast does your family like to go? How many Gs do they like to pull in the bends?

ETA: I'm looking at a couple of low mileage C5 Z06s for weekend stuff, but the kid's college funds are getting low.

qayak · 16th May 2012, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

I don't really care what American car makers did 20-30 years ago.

WTF are you doing in this thread then?

By the same token, I don't really care what my grandma drives these days.

qayak · 16th May 2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

The Cobra just a big engine in a really small car. Of course it was fast. And of course it could handle well. But you had to really know what you were doing otherwise it could all be over. The Veyron is a technological marvel and any idiot (with a lot of money) can drive one really fast.

Funny, that's what all the losers said about the Cobra in its day. "Any idiot with money can drive that really fast!" Of course, they were driving hot rodded family sedans at the time.

Tough that you don't like the cars Shelby built. They were always the top for their time and anyone who owned or drove one usually loved them.

BenBurch · 17th May 2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by qayak

The thing that scares me about those guys is that it takes them ten minutes to get in or out of the car . . . how long does it take them to put on the brakes in an emergency situation?

And the population is aging. (Beats the alternative!)

This is why full autopilots are a great idea and will be mandatory in a few years.

NewtonTrino · 18th May 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

How fast does your family like to go? How many Gs do they like to pull in the bends?

ETA: I'm looking at a couple of low mileage C5 Z06s for weekend stuff, but the kid's college funds are getting low.

My family likes to go fast. My z06 has a lateral g-meter in the HUD...

Anyway I would go for a C6 over a C5 any day. In fact I would take a C6 coupe over a C5 Z06. And yes, I've driven all of these cars extensively (on my third vette).

Jarlaxle · 20th May 2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

You couldn't pay me to drive a Cobra. Small, hard to drive, basically no safety features. They are freaking death traps. Give me a modern performance car any day.

So...you will pass on the ride-along in a Superformance Cobra (Corvette front and rear suspension) with the all-aluminum 500ci (8.2 litre) 700+HP engine, then? A dude from Missouri will be putting ~2000 miles on his in a couple weeks.

He has close to 25,000 miles on it, including some roadcourse days. He also confirms it will run 10-second 1/4 mile times, through the mufflers, on street tires (not DOT drag tires, GY Blue Streaks) and pump gas.

Given the wrong (or right) touch on the gas, it will get sideways at 80MPH.

I suspect you will also pass on riding in the '32 Ford with the 815ci 1200HP Boss motor, then? It will haul...Frank Currie ran it 205MPH at Bonneville.

Mike! · 21st May 2012, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

So...you will pass on the ride-along in a Superformance Cobra (Corvette front and rear suspension) with the all-aluminum 500ci (8.2 litre) 700+HP engine, then? A dude from Missouri will be putting ~2000 miles on his in a couple weeks.

He has close to 25,000 miles on it, including some roadcourse days. He also confirms it will run 10-second 1/4 mile times, through the mufflers, on street tires (not DOT drag tires, GY Blue Streaks) and pump gas.

Given the wrong (or right) touch on the gas, it will get sideways at 80MPH.

I suspect you will also pass on riding in the '32 Ford with the 815ci 1200HP Boss motor, then? It will haul...Frank Currie ran it 205MPH at Bonneville.

Are you talking about the "Hot Rod Power Tour" by chance?

Resume · 21st May 2012, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

My family likes to go fast. My z06 has a lateral g-meter in the HUD...

Anyway I would go for a C6 over a C5 any day. In fact I would take a C6 coupe over a C5 Z06. And yes, I've driven all of these cars extensively (on my third vette).

Don't have the jing for a C6 Z. Maybe a coupe.

NewtonTrino · 22nd May 2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Resume

Don't have the jing for a C6 Z. Maybe a coupe.

I would go for a C6 coupe of a C5 Z06 any day.

The C5 was a wonderful car. The C6 takes that car and files off all of the rough edges to make something truly superior. I drove a C5 for almost 5 years before switching to a C6 and it's the little things that make a difference. Bottom line go for the C6.

Resume · 24th May 2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

I would go for a C6 coupe of a C5 Z06 any day.

The C5 was a wonderful car. The C6 takes that car and files off all of the rough edges to make something truly superior. I drove a C5 for almost 5 years before switching to a C6 and it's the little things that make a difference. Bottom line go for the C6.

I test drove a C6 on lunch today. That was an evil suggestion.

NewtonTrino · 24th May 2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

I test drove a C6 on lunch today. That was an evil suggestion.

So what did you think? What year? What configuration?

Resume · 24th May 2012, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

So what did you think? What year? What configuration?

2006, so LS2, 12,000 on the clock; 3lt, mag ride etc, but auto with paddles.

Really fun, night and day more civilized than a C5. 35,000 out the door which for a dealer isn't a bad price.

Other than the auto, I really, really liked it.

NewtonTrino · 26th May 2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

2006, so LS2, 12,000 on the clock; 3lt, mag ride etc, but auto with paddles.

Really fun, night and day more civilized than a C5. 35,000 out the door which for a dealer isn't a bad price.

Other than the auto, I really, really liked it.

I dug the mag ride when I had it. The z06 has a pretty harsh ride in comparison. Now mag ride is available in the z06 carbon, oh well.

I'm sure you can do better than 35k. Although that is fairly low mileage. Heck I have almost 30k miles on my 2009 z06. I drive it a lot including on road trips etc.

I'm really starting to lust after the new f12 berlinetta.

Resume · 26th May 2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by NewtonTrino

I'm really starting to lust after the new f12 berlinetta.

I was a little put off at first glance, probably because I think the 458 is pure sex and art, but 730 horses helps, and almost every Ferrari wins me over.

Well, except the Mondial.

Jarlaxle · 28th May 2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Are you talking about the "Hot Rod Power Tour" by chance?

Yep. Long Haul Gang 2007-2008-2009-2010-2011.

I hit the road for Detroit this Friday.

Autolite · 28th May 2012, 11:41 AM

I once saw a Shelby GT 500! It's the only one I've ever seen, that was thirty years ago, and it was in Norway...

Go figure

Jarlaxle · 28th May 2012, 05:01 PM

A guy Power Toured in a legit GT500KR (glovebox door signed by Shelby) a few years back. Coolest Long Hauler, however, remains the dude that Long Hauled with a LEGIT 4-speed Hemi GTX convertible.

Mike! · 28th May 2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

Yep. Long Haul Gang 2007-2008-2009-2010-2011.

I hit the road for Detroit this Friday.

Well, I'll see you in St. Louis! (Madison)

Jarlaxle · 28th May 2012, 07:14 PM

Not doing the Long Haul, then?

Mike! · 29th May 2012, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

Not doing the Long Haul, then?

I wish. I've never down a long haul, but I have drove 'legs' of the tour in the past. I've missed a few here and there over the years, but if it passes within reasonable striking distance of St. Louis, I'll make at least one stop. I think the last one I went to was Springfield, IL a few years ago. Let's take this over to the gearhead thread and quit cluttering Carroll's tribute with non-Shelby talk.

BStrong · 29th May 2012, 06:35 AM

In case anyone is interested, there is a great multi-part bio program on the Velocity channel honoring Carroll Shelby - well worth watching, lots of great interviews with his employees and co-conspirators.

Resume · 29th May 2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by BStrong

In case anyone is interested, there is a great multi-part bio program on the Velocity channel honoring Carroll Shelby - well worth watching, lots of great interviews with his employees and co-conspirators.

Yeah, those were a great watch.

15th May 2012, 08:30 PM	#41
qayak Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,714	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord Same principal applies to the Dodge Viper which I believe Shelby had a hand in designing. Huge engine, lightweight, no electronic nannies, and hard to control if you don't know what you are doing. It may have been the most dangerous new car made. There is no way you could have got me to buy one. Sure, in the hands of an expert driver, they are extremely fast around the track but I don't pretend that I am Michael Schumacher. The nannies are now mandatory. I might buy a next gen Viper. The first gen. Viper was ***** and everyone knew it. Come on, a V10 high performance vehicle that had a longer 60-0 stopping distance than the Dodge Caravan. Yeah, that's a good idea! But that's North American manufacturers. Look at what happened with the Pontiac Fiero. Design it with a 4 banger, but before it comes out, Toyota debuts the MR2 so Pontiac throws a V6 with way more horsepower in as an option... but doesn't improve the brakes for the bigger, more powerful engine! Then you look at Mazda's RX7. Redesigned with a 1.3 litre rotary to go after the best Corvette Chevy had to offer. Did they succeed? Well, 0-60, no. They were .2 seconds slower but put the two on a track and the Corvette was like a dinosaur. Of course, the Cobra didn't have those problem. It did everything as well, or better, than its competitors. It was the Veyron of its day.
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15th May 2012, 09:18 PM	#42
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by qayak The first gen. Viper was ***** and everyone knew it. Come on, a V10 high performance vehicle that had a longer 60-0 stopping distance than the Dodge Caravan. Yeah, that's a good idea! But that's North American manufacturers. Look at what happened with the Pontiac Fiero. Design it with a 4 banger, but before it comes out, Toyota debuts the MR2 so Pontiac throws a V6 with way more horsepower in as an option... but doesn't improve the brakes for the bigger, more powerful engine! Then you look at Mazda's RX7. Redesigned with a 1.3 litre rotary to go after the best Corvette Chevy had to offer. Did they succeed? Well, 0-60, no. They were .2 seconds slower but put the two on a track and the Corvette was like a dinosaur. I don't really care what American car makers did 20-30 years ago. I care about what they do today. And today they make very good performance cars. The Corvette ZR1 is faster than the European competition and significantly cheaper. Ditto, probably, for the new Viper. The Cadillac CTS-V, which I drive is, I think, better all around than the European competition and it is significantly cheaper. The Mustang and the Camaro are both very good. Quote: Of course, the Cobra didn't have those problem. It did everything as well, or better, than its competitors. It was the Veyron of its day. The Cobra just a big engine in a really small car. Of course it was fast. And of course it could handle well. But you had to really know what you were doing otherwise it could all be over. The Veyron is a technological marvel and any idiot (with a lot of money) can drive one really fast.
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16th May 2012, 01:32 PM	#44
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,030	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino Dark Lord, just wanted to say I love the CTS-V. Great car that destroys the competition for the price. I've got a Z06 as well which is a nice car but I've been seriously thinking about the V as more of a family car. How fast does your family like to go? How many Gs do they like to pull in the bends? ETA: I'm looking at a couple of low mileage C5 Z06s for weekend stuff, but the kid's college funds are getting low.
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16th May 2012, 10:20 PM	#45
qayak Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,714	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord I don't really care what American car makers did 20-30 years ago. WTF are you doing in this thread then? By the same token, I don't really care what my grandma drives these days.
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16th May 2012, 10:32 PM	#46
qayak Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8,714	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord The Cobra just a big engine in a really small car. Of course it was fast. And of course it could handle well. But you had to really know what you were doing otherwise it could all be over. The Veyron is a technological marvel and any idiot (with a lot of money) can drive one really fast. Funny, that's what all the losers said about the Cobra in its day. "Any idiot with money can drive that really fast!" Of course, they were driving hot rodded family sedans at the time. Tough that you don't like the cars Shelby built. They were always the top for their time and anyone who owned or drove one usually loved them.
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NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	Dark Lord, just wanted to say I love the CTS-V. Great car that destroys the competition for the price. I've got a Z06 as well which is a nice car but I've been seriously thinking about the V as more of a family car.

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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,193	Originally Posted by qayak The thing that scares me about those guys is that it takes them ten minutes to get in or out of the car . . . how long does it take them to put on the brakes in an emergency situation? And the population is aging. (Beats the alternative!) This is why full autopilots are a great idea and will be mandatory in a few years.
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18th May 2012, 08:34 AM	#48
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	Originally Posted by Resume How fast does your family like to go? How many Gs do they like to pull in the bends? ETA: I'm looking at a couple of low mileage C5 Z06s for weekend stuff, but the kid's college funds are getting low. My family likes to go fast. My z06 has a lateral g-meter in the HUD... Anyway I would go for a C6 over a C5 any day. In fact I would take a C6 coupe over a C5 Z06. And yes, I've driven all of these cars extensively (on my third vette).

20th May 2012, 08:46 PM	#49
Jarlaxle Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New England Posts: 452	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord You couldn't pay me to drive a Cobra. Small, hard to drive, basically no safety features. They are freaking death traps. Give me a modern performance car any day. So...you will pass on the ride-along in a Superformance Cobra (Corvette front and rear suspension) with the all-aluminum 500ci (8.2 litre) 700+HP engine, then? A dude from Missouri will be putting ~2000 miles on his in a couple weeks. He has close to 25,000 miles on it, including some roadcourse days. He also confirms it will run 10-second 1/4 mile times, through the mufflers, on street tires (not DOT drag tires, GY Blue Streaks) and pump gas. Given the wrong (or right) touch on the gas, it will get sideways at 80MPH. I suspect you will also pass on riding in the '32 Ford with the 815ci 1200HP Boss motor, then? It will haul...Frank Currie ran it 205MPH at Bonneville.
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21st May 2012, 03:59 AM	#50
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,267	Originally Posted by Jarlaxle So...you will pass on the ride-along in a Superformance Cobra (Corvette front and rear suspension) with the all-aluminum 500ci (8.2 litre) 700+HP engine, then? A dude from Missouri will be putting ~2000 miles on his in a couple weeks. He has close to 25,000 miles on it, including some roadcourse days. He also confirms it will run 10-second 1/4 mile times, through the mufflers, on street tires (not DOT drag tires, GY Blue Streaks) and pump gas. Given the wrong (or right) touch on the gas, it will get sideways at 80MPH. I suspect you will also pass on riding in the '32 Ford with the 815ci 1200HP Boss motor, then? It will haul...Frank Currie ran it 205MPH at Bonneville. Are you talking about the "Hot Rod Power Tour" by chance?
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21st May 2012, 05:39 AM	#51
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,030	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino My family likes to go fast. My z06 has a lateral g-meter in the HUD... Anyway I would go for a C6 over a C5 any day. In fact I would take a C6 coupe over a C5 Z06. And yes, I've driven all of these cars extensively (on my third vette). Don't have the jing for a C6 Z. Maybe a coupe.
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22nd May 2012, 08:52 AM	#52
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	Originally Posted by Resume Don't have the jing for a C6 Z. Maybe a coupe. I would go for a C6 coupe of a C5 Z06 any day. The C5 was a wonderful car. The C6 takes that car and files off all of the rough edges to make something truly superior. I drove a C5 for almost 5 years before switching to a C6 and it's the little things that make a difference. Bottom line go for the C6.

24th May 2012, 01:54 PM	#53
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,030	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino I would go for a C6 coupe of a C5 Z06 any day. The C5 was a wonderful car. The C6 takes that car and files off all of the rough edges to make something truly superior. I drove a C5 for almost 5 years before switching to a C6 and it's the little things that make a difference. Bottom line go for the C6. I test drove a C6 on lunch today. That was an evil suggestion.
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24th May 2012, 04:15 PM	#54
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	Originally Posted by Resume I test drove a C6 on lunch today. That was an evil suggestion. So what did you think? What year? What configuration?

24th May 2012, 05:55 PM	#55
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,030	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino So what did you think? What year? What configuration? 2006, so LS2, 12,000 on the clock; 3lt, mag ride etc, but auto with paddles. Really fun, night and day more civilized than a C5. 35,000 out the door which for a dealer isn't a bad price. Other than the auto, I really, really liked it.
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26th May 2012, 12:57 PM	#56
NewtonTrino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bothell, WA Posts: 3,782	Originally Posted by Resume 2006, so LS2, 12,000 on the clock; 3lt, mag ride etc, but auto with paddles. Really fun, night and day more civilized than a C5. 35,000 out the door which for a dealer isn't a bad price. Other than the auto, I really, really liked it. I dug the mag ride when I had it. The z06 has a pretty harsh ride in comparison. Now mag ride is available in the z06 carbon, oh well. I'm sure you can do better than 35k. Although that is fairly low mileage. Heck I have almost 30k miles on my 2009 z06. I drive it a lot including on road trips etc. I'm really starting to lust after the new f12 berlinetta.

26th May 2012, 03:27 PM	#57
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,030	Originally Posted by NewtonTrino I'm really starting to lust after the new f12 berlinetta. I was a little put off at first glance, probably because I think the 458 is pure sex and art, but 730 horses helps, and almost every Ferrari wins me over. Well, except the Mondial.
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28th May 2012, 11:30 AM	#58
Jarlaxle Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New England Posts: 452	Originally Posted by Mike! Are you talking about the "Hot Rod Power Tour" by chance? Yep. Long Haul Gang 2007-2008-2009-2010-2011. I hit the road for Detroit this Friday.

28th May 2012, 11:41 AM	#59
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28th May 2012, 05:01 PM	#60
Jarlaxle Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New England Posts: 452	A guy Power Toured in a legit GT500KR (glovebox door signed by Shelby) a few years back. Coolest Long Hauler, however, remains the dude that Long Hauled with a LEGIT 4-speed Hemi GTX convertible.

28th May 2012, 06:02 PM	#61
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,267	Originally Posted by Jarlaxle Yep. Long Haul Gang 2007-2008-2009-2010-2011. I hit the road for Detroit this Friday. Well, I'll see you in St. Louis! (Madison)
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28th May 2012, 07:14 PM	#62
Jarlaxle Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New England Posts: 452	Not doing the Long Haul, then?

29th May 2012, 06:08 AM	#63
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 10,267	Originally Posted by Jarlaxle Not doing the Long Haul, then? I wish. I've never down a long haul, but I have drove 'legs' of the tour in the past. I've missed a few here and there over the years, but if it passes within reasonable striking distance of St. Louis, I'll make at least one stop. I think the last one I went to was Springfield, IL a few years ago. Let's take this over to the gearhead thread and quit cluttering Carroll's tribute with non-Shelby talk.
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29th May 2012, 06:35 AM	#64
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,820	In case anyone is interested, there is a great multi-part bio program on the Velocity channel honoring Carroll Shelby - well worth watching, lots of great interviews with his employees and co-conspirators.

29th May 2012, 06:58 AM	#65
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,030	Originally Posted by BStrong In case anyone is interested, there is a great multi-part bio program on the Velocity channel honoring Carroll Shelby - well worth watching, lots of great interviews with his employees and co-conspirators. Yeah, those were a great watch.
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