Neuro Linguistic Programming

Pjane · 13th June 2012, 05:48 AM

Hey,

What do you all think of NLP? Is it real? Is it helpful? Or Is it a scam? Or Is it a scam which will help us?

Please share you views. If possible share some sources also.

Thank you!

angrysoba · 13th June 2012, 06:08 AM

I think it is a kind of guru-led pseudo-scientific fad.

None of the terms that make up the name seem to be relevant at all. But it sounds good (or at least sciency) yet it isn't.

Someclevernick · 13th June 2012, 06:18 AM

To my understanding, parts of NLP which are working are just using common sense and rest is more or les woo.

surely you can influence people by using language, but there is nothing mystical in it like the marketers of NLP seem to claim.

But that is just my opinion and i am not an expert in this kind of things.

crimresearch · 14th June 2012, 06:36 AM

Work how? As a party trick maybe.

Dancing David · 14th June 2012, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Pjane

Hey,

What do you all think of NLP? Is it real? Is it helpful? Or Is it a scam? Or Is it a scam which will help us?

Please share you views. If possible share some sources also.

Thank you!

Welcome to the Forum!

Looks like trash to me, where is their research base?

marplots · 14th June 2012, 06:59 AM

It shouldn't be a surprise that verbal input can move you. Your favorite song is a nice example. The problem comes in when you want a specific result. Even there, you already know how advertizing influences buying decisions. There aren't any miracles here, but to deny any effect at all is silly.

Really old school NLP: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Newer school: "Hope and change"; "Death tax" for inheritance tax; "climate change" for global warming... and on and on.

There's even an accepted form of NLP called cognitive therapy, part of which uses scripting to help alter beliefs.

All that said, I agree that the field has been taken into the house of woo.

Careyp74 · 14th June 2012, 07:13 AM

I would file it under pseudo-science.

Basically, you have therapy, which seems to work somehow sometimes, and an attempt at figuring out why. The methods used were not scientific, rather, a "hey what if it was this" which then didn't go beyond that question, but rather say "yes it must be this, let's compile a whole theory as to why it works, without being able to test it."

Pixel42 · 14th June 2012, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Pjane

Please share you views

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=199526

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141756

Someclevernick · 14th June 2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by crimresearch

Work how? As a party trick maybe.

Communicating skills can be improved with practice, same goes for motivational methods and studying techniques.

However, i like to point out that i don't know which kind of methods they are using to improve in things like that, but i don't consider it necessarily to be totally ********.

xtifr · 14th June 2012, 11:04 AM

My question would be, why "neuro-"? Do they honestly believe something is happening at a neurological level? I think there's probably something that could reasonably be described as "neuro-linguistic programming", but I don't believe it's what these guys are selling, and I suspect it's too idiosyncratic to justify the claims they make for it. For that matter, what they're actually referring to is probably more idiosyncratic than they'd like to admit. In other words, basically woo, and doubly woo because of the nonsense terminology they use to make their product seem more "sciency".

I am Bigfoot · 14th June 2012, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pjane

Or Is it a scam which will help us?

Thank you!

What does that even mean?

Are you talking about something like a placebo?

catsmate1 · 16th June 2012, 08:18 AM

It's nonsense. Try here or here.

Quote:

Psychologists, neurologists, human resource experts, and linguists have investigated NLP in scientific research reviews which conclude that it is built on conceptually erroneous notions of neurology and linguistics, and it has failed to show its claimed efficacy in controlled studies.

13th June 2012, 05:48 AM	#1
Pjane New Blood Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2	Neuro Linguistic Programming Hey, What do you all think of NLP? Is it real? Is it helpful? Or Is it a scam? Or Is it a scam which will help us? Please share you views. If possible share some sources also. Thank you!
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crimresearch Alumbrado Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,618	Work how? As a party trick maybe.
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Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,724	Originally Posted by Pjane Hey, What do you all think of NLP? Is it real? Is it helpful? Or Is it a scam? Or Is it a scam which will help us? Please share you views. If possible share some sources also. Thank you! Welcome to the Forum! Looks like trash to me, where is their research base?
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14th June 2012, 06:59 AM	#6
marplots Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,401	It shouldn't be a surprise that verbal input can move you. Your favorite song is a nice example. The problem comes in when you want a specific result. Even there, you already know how advertizing influences buying decisions. There aren't any miracles here, but to deny any effect at all is silly. Really old school NLP: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Newer school: "Hope and change"; "Death tax" for inheritance tax; "climate change" for global warming... and on and on. There's even an accepted form of NLP called cognitive therapy, part of which uses scripting to help alter beliefs. All that said, I agree that the field has been taken into the house of woo.
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14th June 2012, 07:24 AM	#8
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 4,241	Originally Posted by Pjane Please share you views http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=199526 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=141756
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13th June 2012, 06:08 AM	#2
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,563	I think it is a kind of guru-led pseudo-scientific fad. None of the terms that make up the name seem to be relevant at all. But it sounds good (or at least sciency) yet it isn't.

13th June 2012, 06:18 AM	#3
Someclevernick Scholar Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Between Sweden and Russia Posts: 75	To my understanding, parts of NLP which are working are just using common sense and rest is more or les woo. surely you can influence people by using language, but there is nothing mystical in it like the marketers of NLP seem to claim. But that is just my opinion and i am not an expert in this kind of things.

14th June 2012, 07:13 AM	#7
Careyp74 Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 3,407	I would file it under pseudo-science. Basically, you have therapy, which seems to work somehow sometimes, and an attempt at figuring out why. The methods used were not scientific, rather, a "hey what if it was this" which then didn't go beyond that question, but rather say "yes it must be this, let's compile a whole theory as to why it works, without being able to test it."

14th June 2012, 10:18 AM	#9
Someclevernick Scholar Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Between Sweden and Russia Posts: 75	Originally Posted by crimresearch Work how? As a party trick maybe. Communicating skills can be improved with practice, same goes for motivational methods and studying techniques. However, i like to point out that i don't know which kind of methods they are using to improve in things like that, but i don't consider it necessarily to be totally ********.

14th June 2012, 11:04 AM	#10
xtifr Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sol III Posts: 563	My question would be, why "neuro-"? Do they honestly believe something is happening at a neurological level? I think there's probably something that could reasonably be described as "neuro-linguistic programming", but I don't believe it's what these guys are selling, and I suspect it's too idiosyncratic to justify the claims they make for it. For that matter, what they're actually referring to is probably more idiosyncratic than they'd like to admit. In other words, basically woo, and doubly woo because of the nonsense terminology they use to make their product seem more "sciency".
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14th June 2012, 01:53 PM	#11
I am Bigfoot Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 307	Originally Posted by Pjane Or Is it a scam which will help us? Thank you! What does that even mean? Are you talking about something like a placebo?

16th June 2012, 08:18 AM	#12
catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,127	It's nonsense. Try here or here. Quote: Psychologists, neurologists, human resource experts, and linguists have investigated NLP in scientific research reviews which conclude that it is built on conceptually erroneous notions of neurology and linguistics, and it has failed to show its claimed efficacy in controlled studies.