Creationists Argue Nessie Exists - Page 2

C_Felix · 24th June 2012, 04:17 PM

Bloody hell.

Lake Ness
Loch Ness
Lake Loch...

Who cares?!

Creationists still don't realize pointing out a "failing" in evolution doesn't boost creationsim. (Even though Nessie being described as she is in the article isn't, necessarily, a evolutionary "failing")

Noztradamus · 24th June 2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jaggy Bunnet

Which town are you talking about?

Fort Augustus, which was in economic decline in the 1930s due to the withdrawal from service of the loch tourist steamer, until Nessie was first witnessed by the wife of the local hotel owner.

Nessie · 24th June 2012, 04:31 PM

I'm over here!

Warrior1461 · 24th June 2012, 04:37 PM

Nessie is the creator....

Praise RAPTOR Jesus, for he went extinct for your sins.

UNLoVedRebel · 24th June 2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Nessie

I'm over here!

Kent Hovind was right all along!

Voodoosix · 24th June 2012, 05:07 PM

actually Nessie is a serious topic.....

the Illuminati are using HAARP to try and kill Nessie before we can discover it's existence, unlike the NWO who are attempting to drive these precious creatures into extinction with chemtrails before it's reptilian relatives on the moon (that's no moon, it's a space station!) can invade once they get their direct energy weapon that took out the WTC working again.

bluesjnr · 24th June 2012, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by C_Felix

Bloody hell.

Lake Ness
Loch Ness
Lake Loch...

Who cares?!

Me.

It's Loch Ness, whether you like it or not. How *********** difficult is it to write Loch?

Nessie · 24th June 2012, 06:50 PM

I care, its my home and it is a Loch. Best not to rename somewhere or you may cause confusion.

SezMe · 24th June 2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

I just read that, too. My jaw was on the floor. Who ARE these people?

I have devised a wonderfully exquisite experiment. Put Rolfe in Mississippi or Louisiana and have her work for a medical insurance company working in the claims department. The experiment is designed to determine if her head will, in fact, explode.

Redtail · 24th June 2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

[pedantic] Plesiosaurs are not dinosaurs. [/pedantic]

Nessie is a toy submarine with a head made outta wood... Ogopogo is a plesiosaur.

Quinn · 24th June 2012, 11:12 PM

People, please! Everyone knows, or should know, that lake and loch are interchangeable, because the Police used them that way in "Synchronicity II." Case closed.

Explorer · 24th June 2012, 11:42 PM

Nessie is quite compatible with the "Creation". They are both hoax inventions by man.

commandlinegamer · 25th June 2012, 01:11 AM

It's spelled l-o-c-h, but pronounced throat-wobbler mangrove. Simples.

Dave Rogers · 25th June 2012, 01:47 AM

Getting back to the topic, however briefly...

...this whole idea of disproving evolution by argumentum ad nessium is in itself a classic example of "not even wrong". I've never noticed where exactly it's a fundamental tenet of Darwin's theory of evolution that dinosaurs cannot co-exist with modern species. And, looking out of the window, I see a bird fly by...

But enough of this rationalism, and back to arguing over angels and pin-heads. Or, indeed, lakes and lochs.

Dave

Lamuella · 25th June 2012, 01:47 AM

the sad thing is that Loch Ness does have one very scientifically interesting feature, which is nothing to do with imaginary monsters. Cherry Island (or Eilean Muireach to use its gaelic name) is an excellent example of a crannog, an artificial island created during the iron age. Examples of landscape engineering from thousands of years ago are fascinating.

Aepervius · 25th June 2012, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Warrior1461

Then again if you can believe that a virgin can give birth to the Messiah, who can heal the sick(*) (the ones he feels like doing) walk on water, do unlimited fish, bread baskets and kills fig trees, then die and come back to life in 3 days.

You can also believe a large immortal dino that does not need to eat can live in a small lake.

Elivs didn't do no Drugs!

(*) But not amputee. Gods hate amputee. Never a miracle for them.

Darat · 25th June 2012, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by bynmdsue

Is Nessie still a thing? Since I saw an episode of MonsterQuest a few years back claiming it had been killed by global warming, I just kind of figured it was over.

The tourist businesses around Loch Ness certainly think it is still a thing! (As they have always done.)

Puppycow · 25th June 2012, 02:26 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch

Quote:

Loch is the Scottish Gaelic and Irish word for a lake or a sea inlet.

Is Loch Ness a sea inlet?

sphenisc · 25th June 2012, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch

Is Loch Ness a sea inlet?

No

Darat · 25th June 2012, 03:05 AM

Wasn't there some monster enthusiast that claimed that Loch Ness was connected by deep underwater passages to the sea?

Puppycow · 25th June 2012, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by sphenisc

No

Then it is a loch but also a lake.

Originally Posted by Darat

Wasn't there some monster enthusiast that claimed that Loch Ness was connected by deep underwater passages to the sea?

A ridiculous claim. Testing the water for salinity should put that one to rest.

Rolfe · 25th June 2012, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Wasn't there some monster enthusiast that claimed that Loch Ness was connected by deep underwater passages to the sea?

Yes, I remember that. That'll be why Loch Ness is fresh-water, and the height of the loch is significantly (52 feet according to Wikipedia) above sea level....

The most interesting statistic I can remember about the loch is that you could fit every human being on the planet in there quite comfortably. It may not be wide, but it's long and it's deep.

And you can "drive" right round it on Google maps. Go take a look.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=loc...66.61,,0,23.49

Rolfe.

nathan · 25th June 2012, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by tsig

I wonder if the Apostles asked "Do you want fries with that"?

no. they had no knowledge of the Americas.

nathan · 25th June 2012, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

[pedantic] Plesiosaurs are not dinosaurs. [/pedantic]

Hm, a non-plesiosaur aquatic dinosaur? how rare!

DragonLady · 25th June 2012, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Cherry Island (or Eilean Muireach to use its gaelic name) is an excellent example of a crannog, an artificial island created during the iron age. Examples of landscape engineering from thousands of years ago are fascinating.

Quote:

The most interesting statistic I can remember about the loch is that you could fit every human being on the planet in there quite comfortably. It may not be wide, but it's long and it's deep.

Wow. I never heard of either of those things. I'll have to read some more about Loch Ness now.

commandlinegamer · 25th June 2012, 04:04 AM

There's a visitable reconstructed crannog on Loch Tay, well worth a visit if you're ever in that part of the world:

http://www.crannog.co.uk/

Magic 9-Ball · 25th June 2012, 04:12 AM

Back to the ACE folks, who came up with this foolishness, who have plenty more. A blog by an ex-Christian Fundamentalist has a list of the Top 5 lies, and the Nessie lie ranks only 5th on the list:

http://leavingfundamentalism.wordpre...ian-education/

Number 1? "...human footprints have been found alongside dinosaur tracks in the bed of the Paluxy River, Texas."

But at the bottom is a link for even worse "Lies from ACE". Looks like the curriculum tries to overwhelm kids with so much misinformation that they can't use critical thinking to discern truth from fiction. IMO.

Warrior1461 · 25th June 2012, 04:38 AM

Solar Fusion is a MYTH? Why are these people even allowed to operate heavy machinery and motor vehicles and eat food with sharp utensils. Not only that they still believe teh Paluxy Hoax is real.

YEC is the cancer that is killing the entire faith.

Ian Osborne · 25th June 2012, 05:20 AM

IIRC, Loch Ness wasn't formed until the last ice age. Plesiosaurs were long extinct by then. Not much use to someone who thinks the world was created 6000 years ago, of course.

I wonder what this particular bunch of creationists make of fossils? If dinosaurs never existed and they were put there to test our faith, for example, why is there a live dinosaur in Loch Ness?

The Don · 25th June 2012, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

IIRC, Loch Ness wasn't formed until the last ice age. Plesiosaurs were long extinct by then. Not much use to someone who thinks the world was created 6000 years ago, of course.

I wonder what this particular bunch of creationists make of fossils? If dinosaurs never existed and they were put there to test our faith, for example, why is there a live dinosaur in Loch Ness?

Maybe Nessie is a leviathan that slipped through the (admittedly quite large gauge) net.

Or maybe its just another case of cognitive dissonance.

EHocking · 25th June 2012, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Then it is a loch but also a lake...

The Russians call a lake an Озеро.
The Scots call a lake a loch.
The English call a lake a lake.

None is more "correct".

It may be named Loch Ness, but nevertheless, it's a lake.

Get over it.^[1]

ETA : [1] oops - obviously not directed at you Puppycow.

bluesjnr · 25th June 2012, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by EHocking

The Russians call a lake an Озеро.
The Scots call a lake a loch.
The English call a lake a lake.

None is more "correct".

It may be named Loch Ness, but nevertheless, it's a lake.

Get over it.^[1]

ETA : [1] oops - obviously not directed at you Puppycow.

Like I asked, how *********** hard is it to just use "Loch" and stop being contrary?

I don't know whose being the worst pedant here (actually I think I do).

Tricky · 25th June 2012, 06:07 AM

The English changed it from "loch" to "lake" so they could stop spitting on people.

EHocking · 25th June 2012, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Like I asked, how *********** hard is it to just use "Loch" and stop being contrary?

Since no one here has called it Lake Ness, but merely described it as a being lake, who's being contrary?

Quote:

I don't know whose being the worst pedant here (actually I think I do).

As do the rest of us...

bluesjnr · 25th June 2012, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

The English changed it from "loch" to "lake" so they could stop spitting on people.

Not true, they changed it because every time they tried to say it (they pronounce it "lock" and I bet you do too) they showed themselves up.

It was/is easier for them to use the term, lake.

sphenisc · 25th June 2012, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Like I asked, how *********** hard is it to just use "Loch" and stop being contrary?

Well there's all those dictionaries that would have to expunge the word "lake", the books that would have to be reprinted, that ballet would need to be renamed too. And Emerson and Palmer's mate. No, I think keeping the word "lake" might be a good idea.

EHocking · 25th June 2012, 06:18 AM

Billabong Ness.

Sorted.

sphenisc · 25th June 2012, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

The English changed it from "loch" to "lake" so they could stop spitting on people.

This also explains why the Scots kept it.

[ Most buses I've been on have "No Smoking" signs. It wasn't until I moved to Dundee that a saw one with a "No spitting" sign. ]

ddt · 25th June 2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

The English changed it from "loch" to "lake" so they could stop spitting on people.

I don't understand. What's so hard in pronouncing "loch"?

Puppycow · 25th June 2012, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Yes, I remember that. That'll be why Loch Ness is fresh-water, and the height of the loch is significantly (52 feet according to Wikipedia) above sea level....

Oh, well that's an even better reason why there can't be an underground passage. The top 52 feet of it would just drain right out.

24th June 2012, 04:17 PM	#41
C_Felix Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Right outside Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,041	Bloody hell. Lake Ness Loch Ness Lake Loch... Who cares?! Creationists still don't realize pointing out a "failing" in evolution doesn't boost creationsim. (Even though Nessie being described as she is in the article isn't, necessarily, a evolutionary "failing")
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24th June 2012, 04:18 PM	#42
Noztradamus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,880	Originally Posted by Jaggy Bunnet Which town are you talking about? Fort Augustus, which was in economic decline in the 1930s due to the withdrawal from service of the loch tourist steamer, until Nessie was first witnessed by the wife of the local hotel owner.
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24th June 2012, 04:31 PM	#43
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Voodoosix Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 152	actually Nessie is a serious topic..... the Illuminati are using HAARP to try and kill Nessie before we can discover it's existence, unlike the NWO who are attempting to drive these precious creatures into extinction with chemtrails before it's reptilian relatives on the moon (that's no moon, it's a space station!) can invade once they get their direct energy weapon that took out the WTC working again.
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24th June 2012, 04:37 PM	#44
Warrior1461 Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 255	Nessie is the creator.... Praise RAPTOR Jesus, for he went extinct for your sins.

24th June 2012, 05:23 PM	#47
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by C_Felix Bloody hell. Lake Ness Loch Ness Lake Loch... Who cares?! Me. It's Loch Ness, whether you like it or not. How *********** difficult is it to write Loch?
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24th June 2012, 06:50 PM	#48
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SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,374	Originally Posted by Rolfe I just read that, too. My jaw was on the floor. Who ARE these people? I have devised a wonderfully exquisite experiment. Put Rolfe in Mississippi or Louisiana and have her work for a medical insurance company working in the claims department. The experiment is designed to determine if her head will, in fact, explode.

24th June 2012, 07:17 PM	#50
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 [pedantic] Plesiosaurs are not dinosaurs. [/pedantic] Nessie is a toy submarine with a head made outta wood... Ogopogo is a plesiosaur.
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24th June 2012, 11:12 PM	#51
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24th June 2012, 11:42 PM	#52
Explorer Muse Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 959	Nessie is quite compatible with the "Creation". They are both hoax inventions by man.
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25th June 2012, 01:11 AM	#53
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25th June 2012, 01:47 AM	#54
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	Getting back to the topic, however briefly... ...this whole idea of disproving evolution by argumentum ad nessium is in itself a classic example of "not even wrong". I've never noticed where exactly it's a fundamental tenet of Darwin's theory of evolution that dinosaurs cannot co-exist with modern species. And, looking out of the window, I see a bird fly by... But enough of this rationalism, and back to arguing over angels and pin-heads. Or, indeed, lakes and lochs. Dave
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25th June 2012, 01:47 AM	#55
Lamuella Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,480	the sad thing is that Loch Ness does have one very scientifically interesting feature, which is nothing to do with imaginary monsters. Cherry Island (or Eilean Muireach to use its gaelic name) is an excellent example of a crannog, an artificial island created during the iron age. Examples of landscape engineering from thousands of years ago are fascinating.
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25th June 2012, 02:09 AM	#57
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,804	Originally Posted by bynmdsue Is Nessie still a thing? Since I saw an episode of MonsterQuest a few years back claiming it had been killed by global warming, I just kind of figured it was over. The tourist businesses around Loch Ness certainly think it is still a thing! (As they have always done.)
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25th June 2012, 02:26 AM	#58
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,792	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch Quote: Loch is the Scottish Gaelic and Irish word for a lake or a sea inlet. Is Loch Ness a sea inlet?
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25th June 2012, 02:52 AM	#59
sphenisc Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,750	Originally Posted by Puppycow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch Is Loch Ness a sea inlet? No
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25th June 2012, 03:05 AM	#60
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,804	Wasn't there some monster enthusiast that claimed that Loch Ness was connected by deep underwater passages to the sea?
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25th June 2012, 03:23 AM	#61
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,792	Originally Posted by sphenisc No Then it is a loch but also a lake. Originally Posted by Darat Wasn't there some monster enthusiast that claimed that Loch Ness was connected by deep underwater passages to the sea? A ridiculous claim. Testing the water for salinity should put that one to rest.
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25th June 2012, 03:31 AM	#62
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,340	Originally Posted by Darat Wasn't there some monster enthusiast that claimed that Loch Ness was connected by deep underwater passages to the sea? Yes, I remember that. That'll be why Loch Ness is fresh-water, and the height of the loch is significantly (52 feet according to Wikipedia) above sea level.... The most interesting statistic I can remember about the loch is that you could fit every human being on the planet in there quite comfortably. It may not be wide, but it's long and it's deep. And you can "drive" right round it on Google maps. Go take a look. https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=loc...66.61,,0,23.49 Rolfe.
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25th June 2012, 03:35 AM	#64
nathan Zygoticly Phased Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arkham City Posts: 3,166	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 [pedantic] Plesiosaurs are not dinosaurs. [/pedantic] Hm, a non-plesiosaur aquatic dinosaur? how rare!
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25th June 2012, 04:04 AM	#66
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25th June 2012, 04:12 AM	#67
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25th June 2012, 05:20 AM	#69
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,383	IIRC, Loch Ness wasn't formed until the last ice age. Plesiosaurs were long extinct by then. Not much use to someone who thinks the world was created 6000 years ago, of course. I wonder what this particular bunch of creationists make of fossils? If dinosaurs never existed and they were put there to test our faith, for example, why is there a live dinosaur in Loch Ness?
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25th June 2012, 05:31 AM	#70
The Don Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cymru Posts: 8,265	Originally Posted by Ian Osborne IIRC, Loch Ness wasn't formed until the last ice age. Plesiosaurs were long extinct by then. Not much use to someone who thinks the world was created 6000 years ago, of course. I wonder what this particular bunch of creationists make of fossils? If dinosaurs never existed and they were put there to test our faith, for example, why is there a live dinosaur in Loch Ness? Maybe Nessie is a leviathan that slipped through the (admittedly quite large gauge) net. Or maybe its just another case of cognitive dissonance.

25th June 2012, 05:58 AM	#71
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,410	Originally Posted by Puppycow Then it is a loch but also a lake... The Russians call a lake an Озеро. The Scots call a lake a loch. The English call a lake a lake. None is more "correct". It may be named Loch Ness, but nevertheless, it's a lake. Get over it.^[1] ETA : [1] oops - obviously not directed at you Puppycow.
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25th June 2012, 06:03 AM	#72
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by EHocking The Russians call a lake an Озеро. The Scots call a lake a loch. The English call a lake a lake. None is more "correct". It may be named Loch Ness, but nevertheless, it's a lake. Get over it.^[1] ETA : [1] oops - obviously not directed at you Puppycow. Like I asked, how *********** hard is it to just use "Loch" and stop being contrary? I don't know whose being the worst pedant here (actually I think I do).
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25th June 2012, 06:07 AM	#73
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,374	The English changed it from "loch" to "lake" so they could stop spitting on people.

25th June 2012, 06:14 AM	#74
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,410	Originally Posted by bluesjnr Like I asked, how *********** hard is it to just use "Loch" and stop being contrary? Since no one here has called it Lake Ness, but merely described it as a being lake, who's being contrary? Quote: I don't know whose being the worst pedant here (actually I think I do). As do the rest of us...
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25th June 2012, 06:15 AM	#75
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Not where I should be. Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by Tricky The English changed it from "loch" to "lake" so they could stop spitting on people. Not true, they changed it because every time they tried to say it (they pronounce it "lock" and I bet you do too) they showed themselves up. It was/is easier for them to use the term, lake.
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