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Old 30th June 2012, 05:58 PM   #1
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Is my friend a spy?

My address book disappeared last week right after my friend of 10 years visited. I immediately suspected him of taking it. Some days later I called him and he in fact did have my address book. He had no idea why he had it. Are there any other plausible explanations other than the spy one? Anybody with experience spying want to chime in?
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You mean a physical address book? Where the Borg hasn't immediate access? That's suspicious in itself.
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If you immediately suspected him why wait days to make the call?
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If he was a spy, why would he admit taking the book? Where did he have it? Who is in the address book that he could be interested in contacting? Have you ever suspected him of being under some form of mind control? Does he have a sinister foriegn accent? ("sinister" and "foriegn" dependent on location). Did he use an elaborate series of subterfuges to obtain the address book? Could it have simply fallen from the phone table in the hall into his umbrella in the stand next to it? Does he wear a trench coat?

(I once spied on my neighbours' barbecue from my awesome secret treehouse.)
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Originally Posted by MNBrant View Post
Are there any other plausible explanations other than the spy one?

Kleptomania, perhaps?

Or maybe you just shouldn't keep the phone numbers and current locations of heads of state in your address book...

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Are you involved in anything a spy might be interested in?
I'm guessing no.
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Yes. I am his boss. I ordered him to take it.
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Old 30th June 2012, 09:21 PM   #8
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I planted it on him. Naturally, after I copied it.

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Maybe he just accidentally picked it up thinking it was something of his and didn't realize he did it until you called to ask about it.
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Get an iphone.

Seriously what is in your address book that a spy could want?
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Old 30th June 2012, 10:45 PM   #12
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Get an iphone.

Seriously what is in your address book that a spy could want?
McDonald's coupons.
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My father once packed a tub of butter for work, thinking it was his lunchbox, and my sister left with the television remote in her handbag, thinking it was her glasses case. Spent the whole day looking for it.

Sometimes people do bizarre things without paying attention.

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Originally Posted by MNBrant View Post
My address book disappeared last week right after my friend of 10 years visited. I immediately suspected him of taking it. Some days later I called him and he in fact did have my address book. He had no idea why he had it. Are there any other plausible explanations other than the spy one? Anybody with experience spying want to chime in?
Hypothetically, an intelligence officer, working in the field, would not let you realise that he had copied the address book if you were a target. Once you had realised he had taken it, you would simply warn your network through some other method not connected with the address book.

Indeed phone numbers and addresses are not all that useful anyway. If you had a network you would have special words and anticipated responses with your "fellow travellers" in the address book. A false shop front is just a normal shop without this information.

Counter intelligence is about determining the enemy's network. Real intelligence is the pragmatic gathering of useful information like the range of vehicles, the loaded weight of a specific helicopter, the petrol reserves at forward bases....stuff gathered from secured technical manuals and internal documents....not address books
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Originally Posted by MNBrant View Post
My address book disappeared last week right after my friend of 10 years visited. I immediately suspected him of taking it. Some days later I called him and he in fact did have my address book. He had no idea why he had it. Are there any other plausible explanations other than the spy one? Anybody with experience spying want to chime in?
Considering you have spoken openly about your mental health problems in the past, I suggest not letting them get the better of you in this instance. The chances of him spying on you are virtually zero and the chances of him having picked up your address book by mistake are very high (it happens to other people all the time). I wouldn't give it any more thought and don't let it tarnish a long-term friendship.
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Originally Posted by deeper View Post
Considering you have spoken openly about your mental health problems in the past, I suggest not letting them get the better of you in this instance. The chances of him spying on you are virtually zero and the chances of him having picked up your address book by mistake are very high (it happens to other people all the time). I wouldn't give it any more thought and don't let it tarnish a long-term friendship.

This.

I don't think your friend is spying on you, it is highly likely that was a mistake he picked it up.
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Maybe he just accidentally picked it up thinking it was something of his and didn't realize he did it until you called to ask about it.
I second this entirely reasonable idea.
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Considering you have spoken openly about your mental health problems in the past, I suggest not letting them get the better of you in this instance. The chances of him spying on you are virtually zero and the chances of him having picked up your address book by mistake are very high (it happens to other people all the time). I wouldn't give it any more thought and don't let it tarnish a long-term friendship.
... and now I regret answering flippantly. This, seriously.
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I really hope most of the people in this thread who have answered in such a wanker-ish manner are unaware of the things that MN Brant has previously posted.

All too often people are being really insensitive to people who have mental health issues.
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Originally Posted by Jodie View Post
Maybe he just accidentally picked it up thinking it was something of his and didn't realize he did it until you called to ask about it.

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Considering you have spoken openly about your mental health problems in the past, I suggest not letting them get the better of you in this instance. The chances of him spying on you are virtually zero and the chances of him having picked up your address book by mistake are very high (it happens to other people all the time). I wouldn't give it any more thought and don't let it tarnish a long-term friendship.

This, again. These simple little mistakes happen all the time. Someone packing or getting his stuff together accidentally picks something up that belongs to his host. I've done it myself.

You seem to understand your mental health problems quite well. Try to understand that it's these same problems causing you to imagine sinister and unlikely explanations for a very ordinary and unsinister occurrence.

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If you immediately suspected him why wait days to make the call?
This, i can understand, sometimes things can just stack up evidence against someone when they really didn't do it, so you have to be sure.

Off of the top of my head, i can think of 2 major incidents in my life where this happened. Once , all evidence ( and it was some good evidence.) made it appear to my roommate that i had stolen about 200 dollars. When i did not, leading to 2 rather awkward days, before he found it. And the second happened to a friend of mine, who , through a series of jokes, and being the last person to handle it, seemed to have stolen one of my favorite knives.
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I really hope most of the people in this thread who have answered in such a wanker-ish manner are unaware of the things that MN Brant has previously posted.

All too often people are being really insensitive to people who have mental health issues.
All too often folks will see legitimate mental health issues in someone who is taking the piss, because it gives them a chance to seem morally superior to others.

Seriously, trollin 101 here, claim a mental defect and watch folks fight it out.
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I really hope most of the people in this thread who have answered in such a wanker-ish manner are unaware of the things that MN Brant has previously posted.

All too often people are being really insensitive to people who have mental health issues.
Making fun of people on internet forums who claim to have mental health issues is a major mental health issue of mine.
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All too often folks will see legitimate mental health issues in someone who is taking the piss, because it gives them a chance to seem morally superior to others.

Seriously, trollin 101 here, claim a mental defect and watch folks fight it out.
Having read some of MNBrant's other posts, I don't think so as many of his posts hint at paranoia.

Even if MNBrant is trolling, I would rather be caught out and respond in a friendly and humane fashion.

To answer the OP, no I don't think your friend is a spy. As many other posters have pointed out, he probably picked it up my mistake or when he was distracted.
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Perhaps your friend is not a spy but everyone who posts in this thread is?

I moved your kettle last night btw.

If you really are still having all these paranoid thoughts then seek medical help because, in all honesty, most of your rants reek of crazy.
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Hey, if you read his earlier posts, he has sought help and is on medication. He seems to be trying his best to cope with his symptoms, without doping himself into complete zombie-hood. I don't think "most of your rants reek of crazy" is altogether the most helpful thing to say under the circumstances.

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An actual spy would have photographed the address book with a ring or belt buckle camera while you were in the kitchen or something and you would never have known about it. Only a rank amateur would take the entire book while visiting.
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It amazes me the number of people who continually fall for this obvious Poe.
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Hey, if you read his earlier posts, he has sought help and is on medication. He seems to be trying his best to cope with his symptoms, without doping himself into complete zombie-hood. I don't think "most of your rants reek of crazy" is altogether the most helpful thing to say under the circumstances.

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Whereas Mr Paranoid asking for suggestions about his real life friend from a bunch of anonymous forum posters is believable?

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It amazes me the number of people who continually fall for this obvious Poe.
Is that your expert diagnosis, having interviewed and examined the OP and read his medical history?

Maybe he is lying about his mental health condition, maybe not. Either way, the intelligent thing to do is either to take his posts at face value or to ignore them; poking fun or enabling the delusions is IMO a really crappy way to behave.
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Is that your expert diagnosis, having interviewed and examined the OP and read his medical history?

Maybe he is lying about his mental health condition, maybe not. Either way, the intelligent thing to do is either to take his posts at face value or to ignore them; poking fun or enabling the delusions is IMO a really crappy way to behave.
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An actual spy would have photographed the address book with a ring or belt buckle camera while you were in the kitchen or something and you would never have known about it. Only a rank amateur would take the entire book while visiting.
My friend visited me the other day, and my address book was untouched as far as I know. Could he be a spy?

To the op - no, it's extremely unlikely anyone is spying on you. And definitely not by taking things so obviously and visibly
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It amazes me the number of people who continually fall for this obvious Poe.
Is that your expert diagnosis, having interviewed and examined the OP and read his medical history?

Maybe he is lying about his mental health condition, maybe not. Either way, the intelligent thing to do is either to take his posts at face value or to ignore them; poking fun or enabling the delusions is IMO a really crappy way to behave.
Perhaps you aren't familiar with the term? "Poe" is internet slang for someone intentionally "posing" as a lunatic or someone with an otherwise outrageous POV. Sort of a passive Troll.
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Perhaps you aren't familiar with the term? "Poe" is internet slang for someone intentionally "posing" as a lunatic or someone with an otherwise outrageous POV. Sort of a passive Troll.

The label implies that it's difficult or impossible to determine if the person or claim is serious or just a parody. However, overtly accusing someone or something of being a Poe is meant to imply that they or it shouldn't be taken seriously, which is exactly what Agatha is arguing against.

Unfortunately, it seems there are number of people who would rather ridicule a potentially ill person than take the chance of showing sympathy for someone who isn't actually ill. That's really kind of sad...

(And before anyone points to my previous post in the thread, I did offer a serious alternative. The second sentence was meant as a light-hearted quip.)

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