If God does not exist, can anything be morally wrong? - Page 6

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

If its justified

Who decides?

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

Who decides?

Are you thick? I have said the bible is moral compass.

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

Are you thick? I have said the bible is moral compass.

No, I'm not thick. I'm questioning your assertion that the bible is some kind of moral compass. I'm doing it by getting you to see the contradictions. It's upsetting you because it challenges your belief system and because you've so internalized it, you see it as a personal attack. It isn't.

Now answer the question.

LSSBB · 3rd July 2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

When you tried to disqualify my claim because of the origin.

Your OP is whether Morality comes from God. I was questioning the validity of the Bible as the communication method from God. If you cannot prove your concept of the Bible is the Word of God for all, then you need to be getting the Word of God establishing Morality via an alternate means. I don't see how that disqualifies the Origin of your claim, although a good definition of God and Bible may be in order. Do you wish to now modify your OP?

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

No, I'm not thick. I'm questioning your assertion that the bible is some kind of moral compass. I'm doing it by getting you to see the contradictions. It's upsetting you because it challenges your belief system and because you've so internalized it, you see it as a personal attack. It isn't.

Now answer the question.

I have answered you but just dont like the answer. One more time the bible is the inherent word of God which is the moral compass.

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

I have answered you but just dont like the answer. One more time the bible is the inherent word of God which is the moral compass.

No, you don't like the question and choose to answer one I didn't ask. That wasn't the question. Answer the question. Who decides whether it's murder or whether it's a killing?

simper · 3rd July 2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

Yeah

A troll providing a 5 page thread. Pretty impressive, well done.

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Your OP is whether Morality comes from God. I was questioning the validity of the Bible as the communication method from God. If you cannot prove your concept of the Bible is the Word of God for all, then you need to be getting the Word of God establishing Morality via an alternate means. I don't see how that disqualifies the Origin of your claim, although a good definition of God and Bible may be in order. Do you wish to now modify your OP?

My OP "If God does not exist, can anything be morally wrong?" if you say yes thats fine because thats your answer.

Jack by the hedge · 3rd July 2012, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

The bible offers us an objective set of morals do not lie, do not steal, do not commit adultery, do not bear false witness, etc.....These morals dont change depending on your opinion, your situation, or your preferences. They are based on Gods character and since God doesnt change these morals dont either.

Are you sure about that?

The bible codifies a set of laws. Quite a number of these laws seem reprehensible to most people today. Is it OK to cherry-pick only the laws you want to obey, or are you still morally obliged to put to death all the transgressors listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

kedo1981 · 3rd July 2012, 07:49 AM

So where do the Hindus and Buddhists get theirs?
Where did the thousands of non Jewish/christain societies that have existed get theirs?
Where do the Kung (bushmen) of Africa, one of the most peaceful groups of people on Earth, get theirs?

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by simper

A troll providing a 5 page thread. Pretty impressive, well done.

I am just not going to answer your ridiculous question.

Stomatopoda · 3rd July 2012, 07:51 AM

So, to sum up your position:

The Bible is true because it is the word of God.
How do you know this?
Because it says so in the Bible.
Why do you trust what the Bible says?
Because it's the word of God.

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

My OP "If God does not exist, can anything be morally wrong?" if you say yes thats fine because thats your answer.

Ok, you don't like the question about who decides whether something is murder or simple killing. Try this one instead.

Is it moral for me to beat my slave who killed the other slave?

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Are you sure about that?

The bible codifies a set of laws. Quite a number of these laws seem reprehensible to most people today. Is it OK to cherry-pick only the laws you want to obey, or are you still morally obliged to put to death all the transgressors listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

That's another debate old vs new covenant.

Jack by the hedge · 3rd July 2012, 07:52 AM

If my son is stubbornly disobedient, do I have to denounce him before the whole town and have him stoned to death?

The bible tells me so.

Careyp74 · 3rd July 2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by laca

Anything more than a vague suspicion?

He/She was being nice.

Originally Posted by laca

But you just said that morality (A) is just peer pressure (B). So, according to you, if morality (A) is magical (C), so is peer pressure(B).

A=B, if A=C, B does not necessarily equal C. It is a logical fallacy known as Illicit Minor

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

Ok, you don't like the question about who decides whether something is murder or simple killing. Try this one instead.

Is it moral for me to beat my slave who killed the other slave?

I dont know whats the bible say I have never been asked that before.

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

That's another debate old vs new covenant.

Apparently there is no debate:

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

The reason my morality is objective is because its grounded in the bible and that will never change thats the whole point of the thread..............

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

I dont know whats the bible say I have never been asked that before.

If you don't know what the bible says, how can you claim it to be the source of objective morality?

So what does the bible say about the morality of me beating my slave?

Dave Rogers · 3rd July 2012, 07:55 AM

It seems to me that KILLUMINATI is entirely consistent on this, and that he would consider it perfectly moral to beat his slaves or kill his own daughter for having sex. Why anyone would want anything to do with anyone with such repulsive views, I don't know; I certainly don't.

Dave

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

Apparently there is no debate:

So why are you still asking?

Croydon Bob · 3rd July 2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

That's another debate old vs new covenant.

ANOTHER debate?

We're not having one debate here. You're making unsupported assertions and everyone else is running rings around you. There's no debate. Provide some evidence or admit defeat.

Jack by the hedge · 3rd July 2012, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

That's another debate old vs new covenant.

You said the bible didn't change, and quoted old testament commandments. Where in the bible does it say which of the laws it lists no longer apply?

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

If you don't know what the bible says, how can you claim it to be the source of objective morality?

So what does the bible say about the morality of me beating my slave?

Thats non sequitur

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

So why are you still asking?

LOL. I wasn't. I was asking another question you didn't like.

What does your bible say about the morality of me beating my slave who killed another slave for not doing what his master ordered?

RoboTimbo · 3rd July 2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

Thats non sequitur

You may freely treat them as two separate problems for you.

Foster Zygote · 3rd July 2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

The bible offers us an objective set of morals do not lie, do not steal, do not commit adultery, do not bear false witness, etc.....

The problem is that it offers so much more than that. It is an undeniable fact that the Bible commands that a daughter who does not bleed for her husband on her wedding night is to be put to death. It states that family members who freely choose another religion are to be killed immediately. It condones slavery by issuing a code of conduct for slave owners, even detailing the requirements for selling one's own daughter as a slave.

Quote:

These morals dont change depending on your opinion, your situation, or your preferences. They are based on Gods character and since God doesnt change these morals dont either.

Then you are telling us that you think it morally acceptable to kill a woman for having sex, or to own people as property. If God's morality hasn't changed then you have no grounds for thinking otherwise. Not without abandoning the core of your argument, that is.

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

You said the bible didn't change, and quoted old testament commandments. Where in the bible does it say which of the laws it lists no longer apply?

find me a list of commands in the OT I will wait

Careyp74 · 3rd July 2012, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

If you don't know what the bible says, how can you claim it to be the source of objective morality?

So what does the bible say about the morality of me beating my slave?

I think the gist is, his preacher told him that the bible says to follow the 10 commandments, and that is all he needs to know in order to be a moral person.

You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't use reasoning to get into in the first place. Where did I read that?

Foster Zygote · 3rd July 2012, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

That's another debate old vs new covenant.

So the Bible has changed. That would seem to contradict your claim that God's morality is fixed.

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

The problem is that it offers so much more than that. It is an undeniable fact that the Bible commands that a daughter who does not bleed for her husband on her wedding night is to be put to death. It states that family members who freely choose another religion are to be killed immediately. It condones slavery by issuing a code of conduct for slave owners, even detailing the requirements for selling one's own daughter as a slave.

Then you are telling us that you think it morally acceptable to kill a woman for having sex, or to own people as property. If God's morality hasn't changed then you have no grounds for thinking otherwise. Not without abandoning the core of your argument, that is.

That would contradict Gods nature you're thinking of God as a human

Foster Zygote · 3rd July 2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

I dont know whats the bible say I have never been asked that before.

Wait a minute! You are saying that you don't know what the Bible has to say, yet you are advancing it as a source of objective morality?

Mark6 · 3rd July 2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

find me a list of commands in the OT I will wait

Several people already found you chapter and verse which COMMANDS you to kill your daughter if she has sex before wedding. Are you going to do it?

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

So the Bible has changed. That would seem to contradict your claim that God's morality is fixed.

Thats euthyphro's dilemma

Careyp74 · 3rd July 2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Wait a minute! You are saying that you don't know what the Bible has to say, yet you are advancing it as a source of objective morality?

Like I said, you don't need to know what the bible says, as long as your preacher tells you what's in it.

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Wait a minute! You are saying that you don't know what the Bible has to say, yet you are advancing it as a source of objective morality?

Yeah. If I have a problem with a slave I might look into it then.

Hokulele · 3rd July 2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

That's another debate old vs new covenant.

If morality is objective, why on earth would a god need a new covenant? Isn't that an example of your god changing his/her/its mind?

Dave Rogers · 3rd July 2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

Thats euthyphro's dilemma

And how do you, personally, resolve it?

Dave

simper · 3rd July 2012, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI

I am just not going to answer your ridiculous question.

Ok the bible is one of the most ridiculous pieces of fiction ever created. If your serious about this thread then I suppose we just agree to differ.

KlLLUMINATI · 3rd July 2012, 08:08 AM

You guys dont like my answer so keep questioning them which is pointless they will not change.

3rd July 2012, 07:45 AM	#204
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,497	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI When you tried to disqualify my claim because of the origin. Your OP is whether Morality comes from God. I was questioning the validity of the Bible as the communication method from God. If you cannot prove your concept of the Bible is the Word of God for all, then you need to be getting the Word of God establishing Morality via an alternate means. I don't see how that disqualifies the Origin of your claim, although a good definition of God and Bible may be in order. Do you wish to now modify your OP?
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3rd July 2012, 07:48 AM	#207
simper Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 318	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI Yeah A troll providing a 5 page thread. Pretty impressive, well done.
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3rd July 2012, 07:49 AM	#210
kedo1981 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 2,081	So where do the Hindus and Buddhists get theirs? Where did the thousands of non Jewish/christain societies that have existed get theirs? Where do the Kung (bushmen) of Africa, one of the most peaceful groups of people on Earth, get theirs?
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3rd July 2012, 07:51 AM	#212
Stomatopoda Muse Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 861	So, to sum up your position: The Bible is true because it is the word of God. How do you know this? Because it says so in the Bible. Why do you trust what the Bible says? Because it's the word of God.
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3rd July 2012, 07:52 AM	#216
Careyp74 Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 3,407	Originally Posted by laca Anything more than a vague suspicion? He/She was being nice. Originally Posted by laca But you just said that morality (A) is just peer pressure (B). So, according to you, if morality (A) is magical (C), so is peer pressure(B). A=B, if A=C, B does not necessarily equal C. It is a logical fallacy known as Illicit Minor
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3rd July 2012, 07:39 AM	#201
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI If its justified Who decides?

3rd July 2012, 07:40 AM	#202
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo Who decides? Are you thick? I have said the bible is moral compass.

3rd July 2012, 07:43 AM	#203
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI Are you thick? I have said the bible is moral compass. No, I'm not thick. I'm questioning your assertion that the bible is some kind of moral compass. I'm doing it by getting you to see the contradictions. It's upsetting you because it challenges your belief system and because you've so internalized it, you see it as a personal attack. It isn't. Now answer the question.

3rd July 2012, 07:45 AM	#205
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo No, I'm not thick. I'm questioning your assertion that the bible is some kind of moral compass. I'm doing it by getting you to see the contradictions. It's upsetting you because it challenges your belief system and because you've so internalized it, you see it as a personal attack. It isn't. Now answer the question. I have answered you but just dont like the answer. One more time the bible is the inherent word of God which is the moral compass.

3rd July 2012, 07:47 AM	#206
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI I have answered you but just dont like the answer. One more time the bible is the inherent word of God which is the moral compass. No, you don't like the question and choose to answer one I didn't ask. That wasn't the question. Answer the question. Who decides whether it's murder or whether it's a killing?

3rd July 2012, 07:48 AM	#208
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by LSSBB Your OP is whether Morality comes from God. I was questioning the validity of the Bible as the communication method from God. If you cannot prove your concept of the Bible is the Word of God for all, then you need to be getting the Word of God establishing Morality via an alternate means. I don't see how that disqualifies the Origin of your claim, although a good definition of God and Bible may be in order. Do you wish to now modify your OP? My OP "If God does not exist, can anything be morally wrong?" if you say yes thats fine because thats your answer.

3rd July 2012, 07:49 AM	#209
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,421	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI The bible offers us an objective set of morals do not lie, do not steal, do not commit adultery, do not bear false witness, etc.....These morals dont change depending on your opinion, your situation, or your preferences. They are based on Gods character and since God doesnt change these morals dont either. Are you sure about that? The bible codifies a set of laws. Quite a number of these laws seem reprehensible to most people today. Is it OK to cherry-pick only the laws you want to obey, or are you still morally obliged to put to death all the transgressors listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

3rd July 2012, 07:50 AM	#211
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by simper A troll providing a 5 page thread. Pretty impressive, well done. I am just not going to answer your ridiculous question.

3rd July 2012, 07:51 AM	#213
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI My OP "If God does not exist, can anything be morally wrong?" if you say yes thats fine because thats your answer. Ok, you don't like the question about who decides whether something is murder or simple killing. Try this one instead. Is it moral for me to beat my slave who killed the other slave?

3rd July 2012, 07:51 AM	#214
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge Are you sure about that? The bible codifies a set of laws. Quite a number of these laws seem reprehensible to most people today. Is it OK to cherry-pick only the laws you want to obey, or are you still morally obliged to put to death all the transgressors listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy? That's another debate old vs new covenant.

3rd July 2012, 07:52 AM	#215
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,421	If my son is stubbornly disobedient, do I have to denounce him before the whole town and have him stoned to death? The bible tells me so.

3rd July 2012, 07:52 AM	#217
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo Ok, you don't like the question about who decides whether something is murder or simple killing. Try this one instead. Is it moral for me to beat my slave who killed the other slave? I dont know whats the bible say I have never been asked that before.

3rd July 2012, 07:53 AM	#218
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI That's another debate old vs new covenant. Apparently there is no debate: Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI The reason my morality is objective is because its grounded in the bible and that will never change thats the whole point of the thread..............

3rd July 2012, 07:54 AM	#219
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI I dont know whats the bible say I have never been asked that before. If you don't know what the bible says, how can you claim it to be the source of objective morality? So what does the bible say about the morality of me beating my slave?

3rd July 2012, 07:55 AM	#220
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	It seems to me that KILLUMINATI is entirely consistent on this, and that he would consider it perfectly moral to beat his slaves or kill his own daughter for having sex. Why anyone would want anything to do with anyone with such repulsive views, I don't know; I certainly don't. Dave
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3rd July 2012, 07:55 AM	#221
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo Apparently there is no debate: So why are you still asking?

3rd July 2012, 07:55 AM	#222
Croydon Bob Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Location: Croydon! Posts: 468	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI That's another debate old vs new covenant. ANOTHER debate? We're not having one debate here. You're making unsupported assertions and everyone else is running rings around you. There's no debate. Provide some evidence or admit defeat.

3rd July 2012, 07:56 AM	#223
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,421	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI That's another debate old vs new covenant. You said the bible didn't change, and quoted old testament commandments. Where in the bible does it say which of the laws it lists no longer apply?

3rd July 2012, 07:56 AM	#224
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo If you don't know what the bible says, how can you claim it to be the source of objective morality? So what does the bible say about the morality of me beating my slave? Thats non sequitur

3rd July 2012, 07:57 AM	#225
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI So why are you still asking? LOL. I wasn't. I was asking another question you didn't like. What does your bible say about the morality of me beating my slave who killed another slave for not doing what his master ordered?

3rd July 2012, 07:58 AM	#226
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 21,875	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI Thats non sequitur You may freely treat them as two separate problems for you.

3rd July 2012, 07:58 AM	#227
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,400	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI The bible offers us an objective set of morals do not lie, do not steal, do not commit adultery, do not bear false witness, etc..... The problem is that it offers so much more than that. It is an undeniable fact that the Bible commands that a daughter who does not bleed for her husband on her wedding night is to be put to death. It states that family members who freely choose another religion are to be killed immediately. It condones slavery by issuing a code of conduct for slave owners, even detailing the requirements for selling one's own daughter as a slave. Quote: These morals dont change depending on your opinion, your situation, or your preferences. They are based on Gods character and since God doesnt change these morals dont either. Then you are telling us that you think it morally acceptable to kill a woman for having sex, or to own people as property. If God's morality hasn't changed then you have no grounds for thinking otherwise. Not without abandoning the core of your argument, that is.
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3rd July 2012, 07:59 AM	#228
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge You said the bible didn't change, and quoted old testament commandments. Where in the bible does it say which of the laws it lists no longer apply? find me a list of commands in the OT I will wait

3rd July 2012, 08:01 AM	#229
Careyp74 Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 3,407	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo If you don't know what the bible says, how can you claim it to be the source of objective morality? So what does the bible say about the morality of me beating my slave? I think the gist is, his preacher told him that the bible says to follow the 10 commandments, and that is all he needs to know in order to be a moral person. You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't use reasoning to get into in the first place. Where did I read that?

3rd July 2012, 08:01 AM	#230
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,400	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI That's another debate old vs new covenant. So the Bible has changed. That would seem to contradict your claim that God's morality is fixed.
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3rd July 2012, 08:03 AM	#231
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote The problem is that it offers so much more than that. It is an undeniable fact that the Bible commands that a daughter who does not bleed for her husband on her wedding night is to be put to death. It states that family members who freely choose another religion are to be killed immediately. It condones slavery by issuing a code of conduct for slave owners, even detailing the requirements for selling one's own daughter as a slave. Then you are telling us that you think it morally acceptable to kill a woman for having sex, or to own people as property. If God's morality hasn't changed then you have no grounds for thinking otherwise. Not without abandoning the core of your argument, that is. That would contradict Gods nature you're thinking of God as a human

3rd July 2012, 08:03 AM	#232
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,400	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI I dont know whats the bible say I have never been asked that before. Wait a minute! You are saying that you don't know what the Bible has to say, yet you are advancing it as a source of objective morality?
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3rd July 2012, 08:04 AM	#233
Mark6 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,176	Originally Posted by KlLLUMINATI find me a list of commands in the OT I will wait Several people already found you chapter and verse which COMMANDS you to kill your daughter if she has sex before wedding. Are you going to do it?
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3rd July 2012, 08:04 AM	#234
KlLLUMINATI Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 477	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote So the Bible has changed. That would seem to contradict your claim that God's morality is fixed. Thats euthyphro's dilemma

3rd July 2012, 08:04 AM	#235
Careyp74 Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 3,407	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Wait a minute! You are saying that you don't know what the Bible has to say, yet you are advancing it as a source of objective morality? Like I said, you don't need to know what the bible says, as long as your preacher tells you what's in it.