[Merged] Why won't Romney release his tax records? - Page 22

BenBurch · 12th August 2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Watching it again for giggles, I noticed that this line that slipped by me the first couple times I watched it:

Why not?

Is there a secret ritual involved?

"Thank you sir, may I have another!"

More probably "bend over and spread your wallet."

Alferd_Packer · 16th August 2012, 12:01 PM

Is the dirty little secret that Romney is trying to hide the fact that he took an amnesty for his Swiss tax shelter?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...s_to_see_.html

DavidJames · 16th August 2012, 12:09 PM

Well this issue can be put to bed.

Quote:

But I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent," he said.

From here.

Alferd_Packer · 16th August 2012, 12:13 PM

In other words, he had to take the IRS amnesty in 2009 for his Swiss accounts.

varwoche · 16th August 2012, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mitt Romney

But I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent

I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). I would be surprised if he didn't use some creative accounting, just based on what a liar he is.

NotJesus · 16th August 2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams).

You dream about paying taxes? How sad.

mhaze · 16th August 2012, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). I would be surprised if he didn't use some creative accounting, just based on what a liar he is.

He also mentioned that if you backed out the amounts that went to charity, his effective rate was about 20%.

I don't think there's much ability to use creative accounting in a matter like this.

There's the AMT.

ANTPogo · 16th August 2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

He also mentioned that if you backed out the amounts that went to charity.

And by "charity" he means "the LDS church".

MattusMaximus · 16th August 2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Well this issue can be put to bed.

From here.

Oh boo-hoo, poor Mitt.

And here I paid over twice that rate. One would think that with his hundreds of millions of dollars Romney could afford to pay a higher tax rate than me.

Rebel Yellow · 16th August 2012, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). I would be surprised if he didn't use some creative accounting, just based on what a liar he is.

"statistics will always lie. Statistics can be made to say anything. You show me anything that depicts institutional progress in America: school test scores, crime stats, arrest reports, anything that a politician can run on, anything that somebody can get a promotion on, and as soon as you invent that statistical category, fifty people in that institution will be at work trying to figure out a way to make it look as if progress is actually occurring when actually no progress is." - David Simon

Unabogie · 16th August 2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

And by "charity" he means "the LDS church".

Yeah, and he basically calls something that he gets to deduct from his taxes "more taxes"?

Another weird thing from Romney:

Quote:

"I'm sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don't believe it for a minute, by the way."

What don't you believe? They're your taxes. Either it's true or it's not. Why would it be a matter of belief to you? Why did he wait weeks and weeks to say this? And of course, his wife saying that his word is "golden" is just hilarious. Romney lies more than any politician I've ever seen. It's a whole campaign based on nothing but falsehoods. So why on earth should we take his word on this when he could PROVE it by simply releasing the same stack of paper he sent to John McCain, but refuses to?

The guy is just terrible at this.

mhaze · 16th August 2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

And by "charity" he means "the LDS church".

Sorry, you don't know that. You made that up.

Unabogie · 16th August 2012, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

Sorry, you don't know that. You made that up.

13% + 7% =20%. The LDS requires 10% tithing. So how do you imagine he tithed but didn't give the vast majority, if not all of his "charity", to them?

BenBurch · 16th August 2012, 06:40 PM

Parsing 13% - 13% on what? Adjusted net income. If you have any idea of how you can weasel around to make it really tiny, you know that this means he really paid maybe 5% on his gross, but actually netted far more than his net makes it appear.

Puppycow · 16th August 2012, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by mhaze

Sorry, you don't know that. You made that up.

Seems like a reasonable assumption. Mormons are well-known to be very good at tithing.

What Mormons Can Teach The IRS

Quote:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that each Mormon in good standing should tithe 10 percent of his or her income.

"That's written in stone, and preached from the pulpit," says Gordon Dahl, an economist at the University of California, San Diego, who is Mormon.

ETA: I'm not saying that's the only charity he gives to, but I'll bet it accounts for the lion's share.

MattusMaximus · 16th August 2012, 06:59 PM

From a Facebook conversation I just had on this issue...

My friend: President Obama paid a tax rate of ‎20.5% last year according to the LA times.

Me: Yup, and we know that because President Obama has made his tax records public. Why won't Romney do the same?

*silence*

SezMe · 16th August 2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

What don't you believe?

I read his comment differently. What he doesn't believe is that someone told Harry that information. I think Romney thinks that Harry pulled his comment out of his (Harry) nether regions. Actually, I give that belief some credibility.

applecorped · 16th August 2012, 07:18 PM

Only a douche would refute this post.

BenBurch · 16th August 2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Only a douche would refute this post.

Oh yeah!??!!

Well! let me tell you that is most...

Um....

Never mind.

applecorped · 16th August 2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Oh yeah!??!!

Well! let me tell you that is most...

Um....

Never mind.

As I thought.

balrog666 · 16th August 2012, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by ANTPogo

And by "charity" he means "the LDS church".

Even if your guess was true, SO WHAT?

Puppycow · 16th August 2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Parsing 13% - 13% on what? Adjusted net income. If you have any idea of how you can weasel around to make it really tiny, you know that this means he really paid maybe 5% on his gross, but actually netted far more than his net makes it appear.

A reporter should ask Romney that question:

"Mr. Romney, when you said that you paid 13% taxes did you mean 13% of adjusted net income?"

It would be hard to give a weasel answer to that question. It's a simple and reasonable yes or no question. If he refuses to answer it, it would look like he's hiding something.

BTW, what was the 13.9% tax rate of the one return we do know about based on? Gross or adjusted net?

thaiboxerken · 16th August 2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by balrog666

Even if your guess was true, SO WHAT?

Because the LDS church isn't so much a charity, as it's a cult that requires 10% tithing from it's members.

eeyore1954 · 16th August 2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

Yeah, and he basically calls something that he gets to deduct from his taxes "more taxes"?

Another weird thing from Romney:

What don't you believe? They're your taxes. Either it's true or it's not. Why would it be a matter of belief to you? Why did he wait weeks and weeks to say this? And of course, his wife saying that his word is "golden" is just hilarious. Romney lies more than any politician I've ever seen. It's a whole campaign based on nothing but falsehoods. So why on earth should we take his word on this when he could PROVE it by simply releasing the same stack of paper he sent to John McCain, but refuses to?

The guy is just terrible at this.

He doesn't believe anyone told Harry Reid.

ETA. I see SezMe already posted this. Sorry

balrog666 · 16th August 2012, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Because the LDS church isn't so much a charity, as it's a cult that requires 10% tithing from it's members.

As opposed to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, or Scientology??

Pull the other one now!

applecorped · 16th August 2012, 08:07 PM

I can't vote until I know a candidates tax status.

tyr_13 · 16th August 2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by balrog666

As opposed to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, or Scientology??

Pull the other one now!

Do you really suspect that thai considers any of those charities?

eeyore1954 · 16th August 2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

A reporter should ask Romney that question:

"Mr. Romney, when you said that you paid 13% taxes did you mean 13% of adjusted net income?"

It would be hard to give a weasel answer to that question. It's a simple and reasonable yes or no question. If he refuses to answer it, it would look like he's hiding something.

BTW, what was the 13.9% tax rate of the one return we do know about based on? Gross or adjusted net?

Total taxes divided by AGI. Which is the typical way.

thaiboxerken · 16th August 2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by balrog666

As opposed to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, or Scientology??

Pull the other one now!

All cults, yes, I agree.

DavidJames · 16th August 2012, 08:53 PM

Ann Romney was on Rock Center tonight and explained why more tax returns weren't and never will be provided.

It's the media and his opponents fault. The more we release the more they attack us (paraphrased).

I'm really sorry and ashamed and welling up with pity for them. I'm meany head for wanting him to share his taxes with the people he wants to elect him president of the U.S. How dare we ask him for that? How dare we?

Skeptic Ginger · 16th August 2012, 08:55 PM

Perhaps it's been posted already, but apparently Romney lied about his returns before. Rachel Maddow reported tonight that Romney told reporters he filed Mass. tax returns establishing his required 7 year residency prior to running for Gov., but he lived in Utah some of that time. He said, trust me, to the reporters just like now, but when the returns were finally seen, it turned out he had to retroactively refile for 2 years (or so) he hadn't filed as a Mass resident.

Link

thaiboxerken · 16th August 2012, 08:58 PM

That's right, SKeptic Ginger. Also, it's weird that the GOP is so entrenched into this "voter fraud" issue, while their nominee is guilty of..voter fraud.

varwoche · 16th August 2012, 09:04 PM

It's a fact that Romney tithes -- it's on the tax returns he released. This is hardly a surprise seeing as he was a bishop in the church.

Originally Posted by NBC News

Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, gave $4.1 million to the church over the past two years (amounting to 9.7 percent of his gross adjusted income, according to the two years' worth of tax returns he has released).

Robrob · 16th August 2012, 09:17 PM

Romney paid 13% for the past(?) decade.

I paid 28% for the past decade.

Someone has some 'spalinin' to do.

Quote:

Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, gave $4.1 million to the church over the past two years (amounting to 9.7 percent of his gross adjusted income, according to the two years' worth of tax returns he has released).

Strange that Romney claims to have given 7% to charity.

varwoche · 16th August 2012, 09:34 PM

Imagine the campaign ad:

I'm Mitt Romney, I'm filthy rich, and I pay a lower tax rate than you. My tax plan calls for this disparity to increase. Vote for me.

Originally Posted by Romney's tax plan

Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates

link

SezMe · 16th August 2012, 10:17 PM

Do you moonlight as a political consultant?

R.Mackey · 16th August 2012, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by varwoche

Imagine the campaign ad: [indent]I'm Mitt Romney, I'm filthy rich, and I pay a lower tax rate than you. My tax plan calls for this disparity to increase. Vote for me.

I think this is the salient point. I can't blame Romney for hiring big-time accountants and exploiting the tax laws. I might do the same in his place. But I don't see him acknowledging his unfair advantage, or even trying to defend it. It's a big game to him.

The fact he's so squirrelly about his taxes suggests that he knows the system is rigged, embarrassingly so -- yet he intends to keep it that way. Assuming he has no even worse reason to hide his returns (as many have speculated without evidence).

Alferd_Packer · 17th August 2012, 03:43 AM

Then there is the theory that he had to pay a fine and plea for amnesty in 2009 because of his undeclared holdings in the Swiss bank account.

Regnad Kcin · 17th August 2012, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Ann Romney was on Rock Center tonight and explained why more tax returns weren't and never will be provided.

It's the media and his opponents fault. The more we release the more they attack us (paraphrased).

Astounding.

Well, not really, but inane all the same.

Monketey Ghost · 17th August 2012, 06:37 AM

I think Reid floated a turd to keep the issue in the light, and I hope Reid has to pay a price if it turns out to be untrue that "someone" told him about Romney's taxes.

That said, I really, really hope Romney isn't allowed to get away with not responding, and setting a new standard for what the public needs to know about their candidates for POTUS. The longer this goes on, and it seems Romney has promised it will never be answered, the more of a weasel he appears.

12th August 2012, 04:39 PM	#841
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,134	Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer Watching it again for giggles, I noticed that this line that slipped by me the first couple times I watched it: Why not? Is there a secret ritual involved? "Thank you sir, may I have another!" More probably "bend over and spread your wallet."
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16th August 2012, 12:01 PM	#842
Alferd_Packer Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7,205	Is the dirty little secret that Romney is trying to hide the fact that he took an amnesty for his Swiss tax shelter? http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...s_to_see_.html
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16th August 2012, 12:09 PM	#843
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,085	Well this issue can be put to bed. Quote: But I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent," he said. From here.
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16th August 2012, 12:13 PM	#844
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16th August 2012, 12:22 PM	#845
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Originally Posted by Mitt Romney But I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). I would be surprised if he didn't use some creative accounting, just based on what a liar he is.
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16th August 2012, 12:40 PM	#846
NotJesus Unsaviory Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LA Posts: 5,467	Originally Posted by varwoche I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). You dream about paying taxes? How sad.
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16th August 2012, 05:57 PM	#847
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,385	Originally Posted by varwoche I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). I would be surprised if he didn't use some creative accounting, just based on what a liar he is. He also mentioned that if you backed out the amounts that went to charity, his effective rate was about 20%. I don't think there's much ability to use creative accounting in a matter like this. There's the AMT.
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16th August 2012, 06:00 PM	#848
ANTPogo Unique Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 9,350	Originally Posted by mhaze He also mentioned that if you backed out the amounts that went to charity. And by "charity" he means "the LDS church".
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16th August 2012, 06:05 PM	#849
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by DavidJames Well this issue can be put to bed. From here. Oh boo-hoo, poor Mitt. And here I paid over twice that rate. One would think that with his hundreds of millions of dollars Romney could afford to pay a higher tax rate than me.
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16th August 2012, 06:15 PM	#850
Rebel Yellow Thinker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 150	Originally Posted by varwoche I wish we could see how he calculated the 13% (a rate I pay in my dreams). I would be surprised if he didn't use some creative accounting, just based on what a liar he is. "statistics will always lie. Statistics can be made to say anything. You show me anything that depicts institutional progress in America: school test scores, crime stats, arrest reports, anything that a politician can run on, anything that somebody can get a promotion on, and as soon as you invent that statistical category, fifty people in that institution will be at work trying to figure out a way to make it look as if progress is actually occurring when actually no progress is." - David Simon
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16th August 2012, 06:17 PM	#851
Unabogie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,846	Originally Posted by ANTPogo And by "charity" he means "the LDS church". Yeah, and he basically calls something that he gets to deduct from his taxes "more taxes"? Another weird thing from Romney: Quote: "I'm sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don't believe it for a minute, by the way." What don't you believe? They're your taxes. Either it's true or it's not. Why would it be a matter of belief to you? Why did he wait weeks and weeks to say this? And of course, his wife saying that his word is "golden" is just hilarious. Romney lies more than any politician I've ever seen. It's a whole campaign based on nothing but falsehoods. So why on earth should we take his word on this when he could PROVE it by simply releasing the same stack of paper he sent to John McCain, but refuses to? The guy is just terrible at this.
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16th August 2012, 06:18 PM	#852
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,385	Originally Posted by ANTPogo And by "charity" he means "the LDS church". Sorry, you don't know that. You made that up.
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16th August 2012, 06:20 PM	#853
Unabogie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,846	Originally Posted by mhaze Sorry, you don't know that. You made that up. 13% + 7% =20%. The LDS requires 10% tithing. So how do you imagine he tithed but didn't give the vast majority, if not all of his "charity", to them?

16th August 2012, 06:40 PM	#854
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,134	Parsing 13% - 13% on what? Adjusted net income. If you have any idea of how you can weasel around to make it really tiny, you know that this means he really paid maybe 5% on his gross, but actually netted far more than his net makes it appear.
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16th August 2012, 06:56 PM	#855
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,743	Originally Posted by mhaze Sorry, you don't know that. You made that up. Seems like a reasonable assumption. Mormons are well-known to be very good at tithing. What Mormons Can Teach The IRS Quote: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that each Mormon in good standing should tithe 10 percent of his or her income. "That's written in stone, and preached from the pulpit," says Gordon Dahl, an economist at the University of California, San Diego, who is Mormon. ETA: I'm not saying that's the only charity he gives to, but I'll bet it accounts for the lion's share.
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16th August 2012, 06:59 PM	#856
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16th August 2012, 07:17 PM	#857
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	Originally Posted by Unabogie What don't you believe? I read his comment differently. What he doesn't believe is that someone told Harry that information. I think Romney thinks that Harry pulled his comment out of his (Harry) nether regions. Actually, I give that belief some credibility.

16th August 2012, 07:18 PM	#858
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16th August 2012, 07:19 PM	#859
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16th August 2012, 07:22 PM	#860
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16th August 2012, 07:26 PM	#861
balrog666 Eigenmode: Cynic Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,527	Originally Posted by ANTPogo And by "charity" he means "the LDS church". Even if your guess was true, SO WHAT?
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16th August 2012, 07:31 PM	#862
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,743	Originally Posted by BenBurch Parsing 13% - 13% on what? Adjusted net income. If you have any idea of how you can weasel around to make it really tiny, you know that this means he really paid maybe 5% on his gross, but actually netted far more than his net makes it appear. A reporter should ask Romney that question: "Mr. Romney, when you said that you paid 13% taxes did you mean 13% of adjusted net income?" It would be hard to give a weasel answer to that question. It's a simple and reasonable yes or no question. If he refuses to answer it, it would look like he's hiding something. BTW, what was the 13.9% tax rate of the one return we do know about based on? Gross or adjusted net?
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16th August 2012, 07:41 PM	#863
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,963	Originally Posted by balrog666 Even if your guess was true, SO WHAT? Because the LDS church isn't so much a charity, as it's a cult that requires 10% tithing from it's members.
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16th August 2012, 07:49 PM	#864
eeyore1954 Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,112	Originally Posted by Unabogie Yeah, and he basically calls something that he gets to deduct from his taxes "more taxes"? Another weird thing from Romney: What don't you believe? They're your taxes. Either it's true or it's not. Why would it be a matter of belief to you? Why did he wait weeks and weeks to say this? And of course, his wife saying that his word is "golden" is just hilarious. Romney lies more than any politician I've ever seen. It's a whole campaign based on nothing but falsehoods. So why on earth should we take his word on this when he could PROVE it by simply releasing the same stack of paper he sent to John McCain, but refuses to? The guy is just terrible at this. He doesn't believe anyone told Harry Reid. ETA. I see SezMe already posted this. Sorry
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16th August 2012, 07:59 PM	#865
balrog666 Eigenmode: Cynic Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,527	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Because the LDS church isn't so much a charity, as it's a cult that requires 10% tithing from it's members. As opposed to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, or Scientology?? Pull the other one now!
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16th August 2012, 08:07 PM	#866
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16th August 2012, 08:09 PM	#867
tyr_13 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Falconer, NY Posts: 9,657	Originally Posted by balrog666 As opposed to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, or Scientology?? Pull the other one now! Do you really suspect that thai considers any of those charities?
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16th August 2012, 08:31 PM	#868
eeyore1954 Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,112	Originally Posted by Puppycow A reporter should ask Romney that question: "Mr. Romney, when you said that you paid 13% taxes did you mean 13% of adjusted net income?" It would be hard to give a weasel answer to that question. It's a simple and reasonable yes or no question. If he refuses to answer it, it would look like he's hiding something. BTW, what was the 13.9% tax rate of the one return we do know about based on? Gross or adjusted net? Total taxes divided by AGI. Which is the typical way.
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16th August 2012, 08:33 PM	#869
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,963	Originally Posted by balrog666 As opposed to the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, or Scientology?? Pull the other one now! All cults, yes, I agree.
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16th August 2012, 08:53 PM	#870
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,085	Ann Romney was on Rock Center tonight and explained why more tax returns weren't and never will be provided. It's the media and his opponents fault. The more we release the more they attack us (paraphrased). I'm really sorry and ashamed and welling up with pity for them. I'm meany head for wanting him to share his taxes with the people he wants to elect him president of the U.S. How dare we ask him for that? How dare we?
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16th August 2012, 08:55 PM	#871
Skeptic Ginger formerly skeptigirl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shifting through paradigms Posts: 40,540	Perhaps it's been posted already, but apparently Romney lied about his returns before. Rachel Maddow reported tonight that Romney told reporters he filed Mass. tax returns establishing his required 7 year residency prior to running for Gov., but he lived in Utah some of that time. He said, trust me, to the reporters just like now, but when the returns were finally seen, it turned out he had to retroactively refile for 2 years (or so) he hadn't filed as a Mass resident. Link
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16th August 2012, 08:58 PM	#872
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,963	That's right, SKeptic Ginger. Also, it's weird that the GOP is so entrenched into this "voter fraud" issue, while their nominee is guilty of..voter fraud.
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16th August 2012, 09:04 PM	#873
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	It's a fact that Romney tithes -- it's on the tax returns he released. This is hardly a surprise seeing as he was a bishop in the church. Originally Posted by NBC News Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, gave $4.1 million to the church over the past two years (amounting to 9.7 percent of his gross adjusted income, according to the two years' worth of tax returns he has released).
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16th August 2012, 09:17 PM	#874
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Romney paid 13% for the past(?) decade. I paid 28% for the past decade. Someone has some 'spalinin' to do. Quote: Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, gave $4.1 million to the church over the past two years (amounting to 9.7 percent of his gross adjusted income, according to the two years' worth of tax returns he has released). Strange that Romney claims to have given 7% to charity.
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16th August 2012, 09:34 PM	#875
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,230	Imagine the campaign ad: I'm Mitt Romney, I'm filthy rich, and I pay a lower tax rate than you. My tax plan calls for this disparity to increase. Vote for me. Originally Posted by Romney's tax plan Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates link
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