Who do YOU side with? - Page 2

BenBurch · 17th July 2012, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

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Is the thread title some how un-attractive to Conservatives? so none took the test?

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I think they took the test and found that they had so much Liberal in their results that they chose not to post.

The reality is that people label themselves a conservative, but still hold opinions that are at odds with that that label has come to mean, possibly because the meaning has evolved but they are still holding the opinions they did when they first cast their lots with conservatism.

aggle-rithm · 17th July 2012, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Is the thread title some how un-attractive to Conservatives? so none took the test?

Are the results heavily slanted towards the left, and the Right Thinkers

don't want to post their results? The one result that 74/75% each way seems suspect. Or a lie.

Or do conservatives just not take surveys like this?

I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney.

I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options.

Sabrina · 17th July 2012, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney.

I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options.

I did as well; thankfully most times when I did that there was one answer that was well in line with what I thought about the situation. I'm not sure I'm clear enough on my position in some cases to have to write it out myself, which was an option whenever I chose the "more options" selection.

As to casebro's question; while I couldn't possibly hope to speak for others, I can at least say that my opinion is that the answer is a little of every option offered. Not enough people may have seen the thread title, or may think it's a topic on some extremely divisive issue and may not want to get into a discussion that could end up in flaming each other, or people took the test but didn't bother to post their results here for any one of a number of different reasons (surprised by the results, don't want to discuss politics here, not interested in letting people know how they might vote in the election, etc). I also think that by and large, skeptical thinking is a much more Liberal trait than it is Conservative (at least in how we define "Conservative" these days anyway), so there may be a slightly Liberal bias on this forum as a result. I'd be interested to know what the results would be if someone posted the quiz on a strongly Conservative site, myself.

JMO though; again, I wouldn't dream of trying to speak for anyone here.

Beerina · 17th July 2012, 07:24 AM

Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity.

Somehow I don't think that's what they were getting at.

stokes234 · 17th July 2012, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

"Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity."

Says a tiny, tiny minority of the scientific community.

Francesca R · 17th July 2012, 08:00 AM

Never heard of many of those presidential candidates. My results are:

Quote:

84% Democratic 79% Green 58% Libertarian 57% Republican

Puppycow · 17th July 2012, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney.

I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options.

Oh, I didn't even realize I could do that. Guess I'll have to go back and retake it.

Ausmerican · 17th July 2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Maybe I was wrong, this site is not as open minded as I had thought, and is actually a bastion of liberality?

Or maybe "open minded" and "bastion of liberality" are not incompatible.

lib·er·al
[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA

adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2.
( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
To me that sounds like "open minded".

BenBurch · 17th July 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity.

Somehow I don't think that's what they were getting at.

Yeah, right.

http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-soil-...ys-linked.html
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-global-lakes.html
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-clima...derstorms.html
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-carbo...ss-forest.html
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-coral...sceptible.html
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-arcti...n-sea-ice.html

BenBurch · 17th July 2012, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ausmerican

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To me that sounds like "open minded".

And they are defining themselves as the polar opposite of all of those things.

Cleon · 17th July 2012, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity.

Fascinating. The Party Line appears to be changing away from "it's a hoax" to "it's a GOOD thing, really."

Francesca R · 17th July 2012, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ausmerican

Or maybe "open minded" and "bastion of liberality" are not incompatible.

[ . . . ]

To me that sounds like "open minded".

To me also. But that's not my impression of what meaning many folks in the US attach to "liberal", except (2)

pgwenthold · 17th July 2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

Okay, how is it possible that everyone is siding with American Voters over 50%?

I came in at 54%, so barely. And I came in at 46% with Indiana. Pretty sure that's a good thing.

pgwenthold · 17th July 2012, 08:45 AM

What fascinates me is not that most of those are reporting that they come in closer to Obama than Romney, but even those who are far more conservative and are more like Romney are also very similar to Obama (> 65% even). It shows you just how far right Obama is, that even conservatives are strongly in agreement. OTOH, you go left of Obama and you leave Romney in the dust (<20%).

Dessi · 17th July 2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Seems this site is overwhelmingly Liberal. It may be, but I hadn't thought so from other discussions. Maybe I was wrong, this site is not as open minded as I had thought, and is actually a bastion of liberality? Or maybe something else is going on here?

Not so much liberalism, just the baggage which comes with skepticism:

- most skeptics, even the conservative ones, reject prejudices against LGBT people, brown-skinned people, religious minorities, they usually don't like mixing church and state.

- most skeptics support mainstream scientific opinions on evolution, climate science, cosmology, generally reject myths about LGBT people. Interestingly enough, I think most people reject the fear-mongering around nuclear energy, GMOs, and vaccines (views which are generally attributed to the fringe left).

- most skeptics generally aren't religious fundamentalists, although there are plenty of religious skeptics on this site. This shapes opinions on the inerrancy of the bible, rigid gender roles, and rules defining sexual morality in predictable ways. Also makes distinctively religious beliefs like the view that human life is separate and distinct from animal life untenable, makes arguments for the inherent sacredness of human life somewhat impossible, which shapes opinions about stem cell research and abortion.

I think there's a lot of non-partisan reasons skeptics lean left on social, scientific, religious, and environmental issues. Generally a pretty mixed bag on immigration, economics, and healthcare issues.

BenBurch · 17th July 2012, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Fascinating. The Party Line appears to be changing away from "it's a hoax" to "it's a GOOD thing, really."

This was predicted by Capel Dodger like 6 years ago.

Francesca R · 17th July 2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dessi

- most skeptics, even the conservative ones, reject prejudices against LGBT people, brown-skinned people, religious minorities, they usually don't like mixing church and state.

- most skeptics support mainstream scientific opinions on evolution, climate science, cosmology, generally reject myths about LGBT people. Interestingly enough, I think most people reject the fear-mongering around nuclear energy, GMOs, and vaccines (views which are generally attributed to the fringe left).

Probably correct. IMO those stances are not "of the left" in many countries outside the US though. In Europe, Japan and Australasia for example, they're really the centre position.

AlBell · 17th July 2012, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

I'd like to discuss the trend I see in the overall results.

Seems this site is overwhelmingly Liberal. It may be, but I hadn't thought so from other discussions.

Yes, it is. You must not read much in Politics.

Quote:

Maybe I was wrong, this site is not as open minded as I had thought, and is actually a bastion of liberality? Or maybe something else is going on here?

Is the thread title some how un-attractive to Conservatives? so none took the test?

Are the results heavily slanted towards the left, and the Right Thinkers

don't want to post their results? The one result that 74/75% each way seems suspect. Or a lie.

Or do conservatives just not take surveys like this?

Anybody care to discuss the poll designs re: possible selection bias, or result bias ?

I don't.

AlBell · 17th July 2012, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

And they are defining themselves as the polar opposite of all of those things.

No, just trying to keep open-mindedness contained enough our brains don't fall out on the floor.

Drink a bit more koolaid and pick up your paycheck.

Upchurch · 17th July 2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

Seems this site is overwhelmingly Liberal.

I think an argument could be made that this site is nominally liberal and overwhelmingly non-extremist (with some notable exceptions, both liberal and conservative).

BenBurch · 17th July 2012, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I think an argument could be made that this site is nominally liberal and overwhelmingly non-extremist (with some notable exceptions, both liberal and conservative).

Conservatism stems from belief, usually, so anywhere beliefs are challenged is see by conservatives as "liberal."

SezMe · 17th July 2012, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Fascinating. The Party Line appears to be changing away from "it's a hoax" to "it's a GOOD thing, really."

Classic Tobacco Strategy through and through.

First, deny the science. When that peters out ...
Second: deny the problem. In this case, "...there's always been warming..."
Third: deny the solutions. In this case, some in the nutter camp are talking about "accomodation".

Classic strategy first put into practice in the smoke/lung cancer debate 5 decades ago and in continual use ever since. Global warming is just the latest round of play.

Tsukasa Buddha · 17th July 2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ausmerican

Jill Stein 94% on environmental, foreign policy, healthcare, economic, social, immigration, domestic policy, and science issues.
Barack Obama 91% on social, foreign policy, economic, healthcare, environmental, immigration, and science issues.
Stewart Alexander 78% on economic, healthcare, social, and immigration issues.
Ron Paul 51% on foreign policy and domestic policy issues.
Mitt Romney 11% no major issues.
Arizona Voters 69% on social, domestic policy, and science issues.
American Voters 77% on social, healthcare, domestic policy, and science issues.

Who is Alexander?

Alexander is the Socialist Party candidate.

Tiktaalik · 17th July 2012, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I think an argument could be made that this site is nominally liberal and overwhelmingly non-extremist (with some notable exceptions, both liberal and conservative).

Or that reality has a liberal bias.

Dessi · 17th July 2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Francesca R

Probably correct. IMO those stances are not "of the left" in many countries outside the US though. In Europe, Japan and Australasia for example, they're really the centre position.

The US is weird like that. Our liberals are the conservatives everywhere else, and our conservatives are...something else entirely.

Cleon · 17th July 2012, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dessi

The US is weird like that. Our liberals are the conservatives everywhere else, and our conservatives are...something else entirely.

I believe the technical term is "whack-a-doodle-doo."

IMST · 17th July 2012, 03:42 PM

Mine went Socialist, then Green, then Democrat. I'm reeling from not shock.

Axiom_Blade · 17th July 2012, 03:49 PM

No Rocky Anderson?

FAIL.

PS13 · 18th July 2012, 07:58 AM

Stein - 81% (social, health, environmental, immigration)

Obama - 79% (social, science, environmental)

Johnson - 67% (domestic, foreign, health)

Alexander - 65% (social, health, immigration)

McMillan - 59% (domestic, foreign, health)

Paul - 57% (domestic, foreign, health)

Romney - 36% (domestic)

Goode - 17% (domestic)

Florida voters - 79%

American voters - 80%

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81% - Green

79% - Democratic

62% - Libertarian

36% - Republican

Oliver · 18th July 2012, 12:19 PM

Ron Paul 90%
on foreign policy, domestic policy, economic, immigration, healthcare, environmental, and social issues. more info

Gary Johnson 81%
on foreign policy, economic, domestic policy, healthcare, social, and science issues. more info

Jimmy McMillan 71%
on economic, domestic policy, immigration, healthcare, and social issues. more info

Jill Stein 68%
on foreign policy, science, and healthcare issues. more info

Barack Obama 67%
on foreign policy, science, social, and environmental issues. more info

Mitt Romney 64%
on economic, domestic policy, immigration, and environmental issues. more info

Virgil Goode 59%
on economic and immigration issues. more info

Stewart Alexander 95%
on foreign policy and social issues. more info

American Voters 91%
on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, healthcare, social, immigration, science, and environmental issues. More info

Polaris · 19th July 2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I must have done something wrong. I got 94% Sauron the Great, 81% Emperor Palpatine, and 79% Fozzie Bear. I had no idea Fozzie was running!
Actually, I wound up with 84% Jill Stein, of whom I've never heard, then 82% Obama, then everybody else, with Romney dead last.

That's news to me, too. I thought he was busy running New Jersey.

Jarlaxle · 21st July 2012, 06:10 PM

More or less what I expected:

Candidates you side with...
99%
Ron Paul
on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, immigration, healthcare, environmental, science, and social issues.
92%
Gary Johnson
on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, healthcare, environmental, science, and social issues.
62%
Virgil Goode
on immigration and environmental issues.
62%
Mitt Romney
on immigration issues.
34%
Jimmy McMillan
no major issues.
16%
Stewart Alexander
no major issues.
6%
Jill Stein
no major issues.
2%
Barack Obama
no major issues.

And also what I expected here....
98%
Libertarian
62%
Republican
6%
Green
2%
Democratic

I find the fact I have the LEAST in common with Obama to be amusing.

Orphia Nay · 22nd July 2012, 12:30 AM

91%
Jill Stein
on social, economic, immigration, healthcare, science, domestic policy, and foreign policy issues.

91%
Barack Obama
on social, foreign policy, science, economic, healthcare, environmental, and immigration issues.

79%
Stewart Alexander
on social, healthcare, immigration, and economic issues.

37%
Mitt Romney
on domestic policy, foreign policy, and environmental issues.

24%
Ron Paul
on environmental issues.

63%
American Voters

91% Green
91% Democratic
37% Republican
37% Libertarian

Alan · 22nd July 2012, 01:24 AM

95% with Jill Stein
91% with Barack Obama
85% with Stewart Alexander
63% Gary Johnson
31% with Ron Paul
5% with Mitt Romney
86% with American Voters

95% Green, 91% Democratic, 52% Libertarian, 5% Republican.

Death Blow · 22nd July 2012, 08:03 AM

Apparently Gary Johnson is my guy, with Ron Paul a close second. Not really much of a surprise there as I'm generally sympathetic to Libertarian ideology.

This turns out to be my breakdown:
91% Libertarian
70% Green
69% Democrat
64% Republican

balrog666 · 22nd July 2012, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney.

I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options.

It's biased towards what lying politicians say rather than what they do.

Utterly meaningless in the real world.

Tsukasa Buddha · 22nd July 2012, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by balrog666

It's biased towards what lying politicians say rather than what they do.

Utterly meaningless in the real world.

And you suggest voting based on...?

MattusMaximus · 22nd July 2012, 07:58 PM

C_Felix · 22nd July 2012, 10:13 PM

http://www.isidewith.com/results/32499330

81% Paul
80% Gary Johnson
76% Romney
69%* Obama

*(Huh-uh-huh.. He typed 69)

Death Blow · 23rd July 2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...78d3f3800f.png

You sir have made my day.

17th July 2012, 05:45 AM	#41
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,201	Originally Posted by casebro ... Is the thread title some how un-attractive to Conservatives? so none took the test? ... I think they took the test and found that they had so much Liberal in their results that they chose not to post. The reality is that people label themselves a conservative, but still hold opinions that are at odds with that that label has come to mean, possibly because the meaning has evolved but they are still holding the opinions they did when they first cast their lots with conservatism.
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17th July 2012, 05:54 AM	#42
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,155	Originally Posted by casebro Is the thread title some how un-attractive to Conservatives? so none took the test? Are the results heavily slanted towards the left, and the Right Thinkers don't want to post their results? The one result that 74/75% each way seems suspect. Or a lie. Or do conservatives just not take surveys like this? I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney. I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options.
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17th July 2012, 06:04 AM	#43
Sabrina Wicked Lovely Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spinning through space Posts: 6,874	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney. I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options. I did as well; thankfully most times when I did that there was one answer that was well in line with what I thought about the situation. I'm not sure I'm clear enough on my position in some cases to have to write it out myself, which was an option whenever I chose the "more options" selection. As to casebro's question; while I couldn't possibly hope to speak for others, I can at least say that my opinion is that the answer is a little of every option offered. Not enough people may have seen the thread title, or may think it's a topic on some extremely divisive issue and may not want to get into a discussion that could end up in flaming each other, or people took the test but didn't bother to post their results here for any one of a number of different reasons (surprised by the results, don't want to discuss politics here, not interested in letting people know how they might vote in the election, etc). I also think that by and large, skeptical thinking is a much more Liberal trait than it is Conservative (at least in how we define "Conservative" these days anyway), so there may be a slightly Liberal bias on this forum as a result. I'd be interested to know what the results would be if someone posted the quiz on a strongly Conservative site, myself. JMO though; again, I wouldn't dream of trying to speak for anyone here.
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17th July 2012, 07:24 AM	#44
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity. Somehow I don't think that's what they were getting at.
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17th July 2012, 07:44 AM	#45
stokes234 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: UK Posts: 2,295	Originally Posted by Beerina "Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity." Says a tiny, tiny minority of the scientific community.
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17th July 2012, 08:00 AM	#46
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 11,826	Never heard of many of those presidential candidates. My results are: Quote: 84% Democratic 79% Green 58% Libertarian 57% Republican

17th July 2012, 08:11 AM	#47
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,788	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm I'm a moderate conservative. My result was 82% Obama, 79% Romney. I found it interesting that for most questions neither of the two "extreme" options were appropriate, so I had to look for more options. Oh, I didn't even realize I could do that. Guess I'll have to go back and retake it.
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17th July 2012, 08:29 AM	#48
Ausmerican Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,381	Originally Posted by casebro Maybe I was wrong, this site is not as open minded as I had thought, and is actually a bastion of liberality? Or maybe "open minded" and "bastion of liberality" are not incompatible. lib·er·al [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Show IPA adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. 2. ( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. 3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism. 4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties. 5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers. To me that sounds like "open minded".
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17th July 2012, 08:34 AM	#49
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,201	Originally Posted by Beerina Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity. Somehow I don't think that's what they were getting at. Yeah, right. http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-soil-...ys-linked.html http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-global-lakes.html http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-clima...derstorms.html http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-carbo...ss-forest.html http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-coral...sceptible.html http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-arcti...n-sea-ice.html
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17th July 2012, 08:35 AM	#50
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,201	Originally Posted by Ausmerican ... To me that sounds like "open minded". And they are defining themselves as the polar opposite of all of those things.
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17th July 2012, 08:37 AM	#51
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,534	Originally Posted by Beerina Global warming is not a threat to the environment -- it is a boon to it and humanity. Fascinating. The Party Line appears to be changing away from "it's a hoax" to "it's a GOOD thing, really."
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17th July 2012, 08:38 AM	#52
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 11,826	Originally Posted by Ausmerican Or maybe "open minded" and "bastion of liberality" are not incompatible. [ . . . ] To me that sounds like "open minded". To me also. But that's not my impression of what meaning many folks in the US attach to "liberal", except (2)

17th July 2012, 08:39 AM	#53
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,073	Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha Okay, how is it possible that everyone is siding with American Voters over 50%? I came in at 54%, so barely. And I came in at 46% with Indiana. Pretty sure that's a good thing.
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17th July 2012, 08:45 AM	#54
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,073	What fascinates me is not that most of those are reporting that they come in closer to Obama than Romney, but even those who are far more conservative and are more like Romney are also very similar to Obama (> 65% even). It shows you just how far right Obama is, that even conservatives are strongly in agreement. OTOH, you go left of Obama and you leave Romney in the dust (<20%).
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17th July 2012, 08:52 AM	#55
Dessi Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,923	Originally Posted by casebro Seems this site is overwhelmingly Liberal. It may be, but I hadn't thought so from other discussions. Maybe I was wrong, this site is not as open minded as I had thought, and is actually a bastion of liberality? Or maybe something else is going on here? Not so much liberalism, just the baggage which comes with skepticism: - most skeptics, even the conservative ones, reject prejudices against LGBT people, brown-skinned people, religious minorities, they usually don't like mixing church and state. - most skeptics support mainstream scientific opinions on evolution, climate science, cosmology, generally reject myths about LGBT people. Interestingly enough, I think most people reject the fear-mongering around nuclear energy, GMOs, and vaccines (views which are generally attributed to the fringe left). - most skeptics generally aren't religious fundamentalists, although there are plenty of religious skeptics on this site. This shapes opinions on the inerrancy of the bible, rigid gender roles, and rules defining sexual morality in predictable ways. Also makes distinctively religious beliefs like the view that human life is separate and distinct from animal life untenable, makes arguments for the inherent sacredness of human life somewhat impossible, which shapes opinions about stem cell research and abortion. I think there's a lot of non-partisan reasons skeptics lean left on social, scientific, religious, and environmental issues. Generally a pretty mixed bag on immigration, economics, and healthcare issues.
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17th July 2012, 09:02 AM	#56
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,201	Originally Posted by Cleon Fascinating. The Party Line appears to be changing away from "it's a hoax" to "it's a GOOD thing, really." This was predicted by Capel Dodger like 6 years ago.
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17th July 2012, 09:04 AM	#57
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 11,826	Originally Posted by Dessi - most skeptics, even the conservative ones, reject prejudices against LGBT people, brown-skinned people, religious minorities, they usually don't like mixing church and state. - most skeptics support mainstream scientific opinions on evolution, climate science, cosmology, generally reject myths about LGBT people. Interestingly enough, I think most people reject the fear-mongering around nuclear energy, GMOs, and vaccines (views which are generally attributed to the fringe left). Probably correct. IMO those stances are not "of the left" in many countries outside the US though. In Europe, Japan and Australasia for example, they're really the centre position.

17th July 2012, 09:18 AM	#58
AlBell Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,507	Originally Posted by casebro I'd like to discuss the trend I see in the overall results. Seems this site is overwhelmingly Liberal. It may be, but I hadn't thought so from other discussions. Yes, it is. You must not read much in Politics. Quote: Maybe I was wrong, this site is not as open minded as I had thought, and is actually a bastion of liberality? Or maybe something else is going on here? Is the thread title some how un-attractive to Conservatives? so none took the test? Are the results heavily slanted towards the left, and the Right Thinkers don't want to post their results? The one result that 74/75% each way seems suspect. Or a lie. Or do conservatives just not take surveys like this? Anybody care to discuss the poll designs re: possible selection bias, or result bias ? I don't.
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17th July 2012, 09:22 AM	#59
AlBell Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,507	Originally Posted by BenBurch And they are defining themselves as the polar opposite of all of those things. No, just trying to keep open-mindedness contained enough our brains don't fall out on the floor. Drink a bit more koolaid and pick up your paycheck.
AlBell Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,507	__________________ "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher, Economics: Share The Wealth. Obamanomics: Share The Pain. Important things in life–beauty, grace, redemption, compassion, loyalty, love–are beyond the reach of reason. Which doesn’t make them any less real.

17th July 2012, 09:44 AM	#60
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Originally Posted by casebro Seems this site is overwhelmingly Liberal. I think an argument could be made that this site is nominally liberal and overwhelmingly non-extremist (with some notable exceptions, both liberal and conservative).

17th July 2012, 09:59 AM	#61
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,201	Originally Posted by Upchurch I think an argument could be made that this site is nominally liberal and overwhelmingly non-extremist (with some notable exceptions, both liberal and conservative). Conservatism stems from belief, usually, so anywhere beliefs are challenged is see by conservatives as "liberal."
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17th July 2012, 10:32 AM	#62
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,367	Originally Posted by Cleon Fascinating. The Party Line appears to be changing away from "it's a hoax" to "it's a GOOD thing, really." Classic Tobacco Strategy through and through. First, deny the science. When that peters out ... Second: deny the problem. In this case, "...there's always been warming..." Third: deny the solutions. In this case, some in the nutter camp are talking about "accomodation". Classic strategy first put into practice in the smoke/lung cancer debate 5 decades ago and in continual use ever since. Global warming is just the latest round of play.

17th July 2012, 11:27 AM	#63
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,919	Originally Posted by Ausmerican Jill Stein 94% on environmental, foreign policy, healthcare, economic, social, immigration, domestic policy, and science issues. Barack Obama 91% on social, foreign policy, economic, healthcare, environmental, immigration, and science issues. Stewart Alexander 78% on economic, healthcare, social, and immigration issues. Ron Paul 51% on foreign policy and domestic policy issues. Mitt Romney 11% no major issues. Arizona Voters 69% on social, domestic policy, and science issues. American Voters 77% on social, healthcare, domestic policy, and science issues. Who is Alexander? Alexander is the Socialist Party candidate.
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17th July 2012, 12:24 PM	#64
Tiktaalik Half True Scotsperson Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,990	Originally Posted by Upchurch I think an argument could be made that this site is nominally liberal and overwhelmingly non-extremist (with some notable exceptions, both liberal and conservative). Or that reality has a liberal bias.

17th July 2012, 12:59 PM	#65
Dessi Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 1,923	Originally Posted by Francesca R Probably correct. IMO those stances are not "of the left" in many countries outside the US though. In Europe, Japan and Australasia for example, they're really the centre position. The US is weird like that. Our liberals are the conservatives everywhere else, and our conservatives are...something else entirely.
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17th July 2012, 01:36 PM	#66
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,534	Originally Posted by Dessi The US is weird like that. Our liberals are the conservatives everywhere else, and our conservatives are...something else entirely. I believe the technical term is "whack-a-doodle-doo."
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17th July 2012, 03:42 PM	#67
IMST If Charlie Parker Was a Gunslinger, There'd Be a Whole Lot of Dead Copycats Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,130	Mine went Socialist, then Green, then Democrat. I'm reeling from not shock.
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17th July 2012, 03:49 PM	#68
Axiom_Blade Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,748	No Rocky Anderson? FAIL.

18th July 2012, 07:58 AM	#69
PS13 Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 288	Stein - 81% (social, health, environmental, immigration) Obama - 79% (social, science, environmental) Johnson - 67% (domestic, foreign, health) Alexander - 65% (social, health, immigration) McMillan - 59% (domestic, foreign, health) Paul - 57% (domestic, foreign, health) Romney - 36% (domestic) Goode - 17% (domestic) Florida voters - 79% American voters - 80% __________________ 81% - Green 79% - Democratic 62% - Libertarian 36% - Republican
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18th July 2012, 12:19 PM	#70
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Ron Paul 90% on foreign policy, domestic policy, economic, immigration, healthcare, environmental, and social issues. more info Gary Johnson 81% on foreign policy, economic, domestic policy, healthcare, social, and science issues. more info Jimmy McMillan 71% on economic, domestic policy, immigration, healthcare, and social issues. more info Jill Stein 68% on foreign policy, science, and healthcare issues. more info Barack Obama 67% on foreign policy, science, social, and environmental issues. more info Mitt Romney 64% on economic, domestic policy, immigration, and environmental issues. more info Virgil Goode 59% on economic and immigration issues. more info Stewart Alexander 95% on foreign policy and social issues. more info American Voters 91% on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, healthcare, social, immigration, science, and environmental issues. More info
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19th July 2012, 12:19 PM	#71
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,171	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I must have done something wrong. I got 94% Sauron the Great, 81% Emperor Palpatine, and 79% Fozzie Bear. I had no idea Fozzie was running! Actually, I wound up with 84% Jill Stein, of whom I've never heard, then 82% Obama, then everybody else, with Romney dead last. That's news to me, too. I thought he was busy running New Jersey.
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21st July 2012, 06:10 PM	#72
Jarlaxle Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New England Posts: 452	More or less what I expected: Candidates you side with... 99% Ron Paul on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, immigration, healthcare, environmental, science, and social issues. 92% Gary Johnson on economic, foreign policy, domestic policy, healthcare, environmental, science, and social issues. 62% Virgil Goode on immigration and environmental issues. 62% Mitt Romney on immigration issues. 34% Jimmy McMillan no major issues. 16% Stewart Alexander no major issues. 6% Jill Stein no major issues. 2% Barack Obama no major issues. And also what I expected here.... 98% Libertarian 62% Republican 6% Green 2% Democratic I find the fact I have the LEAST in common with Obama to be amusing.

22nd July 2012, 12:30 AM	#73
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,410	91% Jill Stein on social, economic, immigration, healthcare, science, domestic policy, and foreign policy issues. 91% Barack Obama on social, foreign policy, science, economic, healthcare, environmental, and immigration issues. 79% Stewart Alexander on social, healthcare, immigration, and economic issues. 37% Mitt Romney on domestic policy, foreign policy, and environmental issues. 24% Ron Paul on environmental issues. 63% American Voters 91% Green 91% Democratic 37% Republican 37% Libertarian
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22nd July 2012, 01:24 AM	#74
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	95% with Jill Stein 91% with Barack Obama 85% with Stewart Alexander 63% Gary Johnson 31% with Ron Paul 5% with Mitt Romney 86% with American Voters 95% Green, 91% Democratic, 52% Libertarian, 5% Republican.

22nd July 2012, 08:03 AM	#75
Death Blow Student Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 34	Apparently Gary Johnson is my guy, with Ron Paul a close second. Not really much of a surprise there as I'm generally sympathetic to Libertarian ideology. This turns out to be my breakdown: 91% Libertarian 70% Green 69% Democrat 64% Republican
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