[Merged] Mass shooting at Batman premiere in Denver - Page 3

lionking · 20th July 2012, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

Early this morning, one news reporter stated an automatic waepon was used, but I have not been able to substantiate that since.
I know Colorado makes it difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic rifle, but importing or stealing one is a possibility.

I heard a witness talk about a shotgun. All will be revealed soon I suppose.

UNLoVedRebel · 20th July 2012, 06:27 AM

The shooter did live right? We will definitely know more about his motivations, history later.

The Dark Lord · 20th July 2012, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

Early this morning, one news reporter stated an automatic waepon was used, but I have not been able to substantiate that since.
I know Colorado makes it difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic rifle, but importing or stealing one is a possibility.

It is the federal government that makes you go through a bunch of hassle to get a legal automatic weapon. They are also very expensive because there are not that many of them. There is pretty much no way he had a legal one. I guess it is possible that he had an illegal one but it is much more likely that it was just a regular semi-auto.

zeggman · 20th July 2012, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

As I said earlier, Martin Bryant wasn't mentally ill.

Well, now that it's appeared on the internet, it must be true.

He's being held in a mental health facility for people with serious mental illness. Maybe it was the stress of the trial that drove him over the edge.

Kestrel · 20th July 2012, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

No, you're right, that's not the same thing.

I suppose there are sociologists and criminologists looking at it, but I wonder why this is happening now (and for the past 25 years or so), but wasn't seen earlier?.

The Texas Tower Shootings^WP of 1966 were a similar event. A well armed lunatic trying to kill as many people as possible.

NoahFence · 20th July 2012, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

CT thread already!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=240322

Rolfe.

Not a CT thread.

Any further comment on it risks my membership.

lionking · 20th July 2012, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by zeggman

Well, now that it's appeared on the internet, it must be true.

He's being held in a mental health facility for people with serious mental illness. Maybe it was the stress of the trial that drove him over the edge.

You clearly know nothing about Bryant and Port Arthur.

bynmdsue · 20th July 2012, 06:31 AM

His name is James Holmes, aged 24.

The Dark Lord · 20th July 2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel

The shooter did live right? We will definitely know more about his motivations, history later.

He could choose not to talk. But I guess it doesn't make sense to do something like this and not say why you did it. But then again, it doesn't make sense to do something like this in the first place.

Hercules Rockefeller · 20th July 2012, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

It is the federal government that makes you go through a bunch of hassle to get a legal automatic weapon. They are also very expensive because there are not that many of them. There is pretty much no way he had a legal one. I guess it is possible that he had an illegal one but it is much more likely that it was just a regular semi-auto.

Isn't it relatively easy to convert say an AK-47 to fully automatic if you have access to to some decent machining tools?

MattusMaximus · 20th July 2012, 06:35 AM

Oh my... I hope there weren't any Denver forumites at the theater(s) in question. Anyone from Denver care to sound off?

UNLoVedRebel · 20th July 2012, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

He could choose not to talk. But I guess it doesn't make sense to do something like this and not say why you did it. But then again, it doesn't make sense to do something like this in the first place.

He will eventually. I mean, he's got nothing else to do for the rest of his life.

UNLoVedRebel · 20th July 2012, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by MattusMaximus

Oh my... I hope there weren't any Denver forumites at the theater(s) in question. Anyone from Denver care to sound off?

What city is paperskater from? She doesn't strike me as a batman fan tho.

The Dark Lord · 20th July 2012, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Isn't it relatively easy to convert say an AK-47 to fully automatic if you have access to to some decent machining tools?

I don't think that it is really that easy although someone who knew what they were doing could probably do it. Definitely illegal though.

bynmdsue · 20th July 2012, 06:39 AM

Neighbors report a small explosion as police robot enters Holmes' apartment.

Jeff Corey · 20th July 2012, 06:39 AM

Reply to Dark Lord:
Ok, a Colt M16A4 semi-automatic still can fire about 45 rounds per minute.

Noztradamus · 20th July 2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

Early this morning, one news reporter stated an automatic waepon was used, but I have not been able to substantiate that since.
I know Colorado makes it difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic rifle, but importing or stealing one is a possibility.

In cases like this I usually assume news reporters haven't got a clue and are just making up stuff for something to say.

That assumption proves correct 83% of the time.

RenaissanceBiker · 20th July 2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

Ok, a Colt M16A4 semi-automatic still can fire about 45 rounds per minute.

And be more accurate doing it.

casebro · 20th July 2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

At least you are honest about the consequences of your ridiculous (IMO) gun laws.

See, I don't view owning and carrying guns a particularly important "freedom". One outrage (Port Arthur) led to heavy restrictions on gun ownership in Australia. There hasn't been a mass shooting murder in the 16 years since.

And how is you overall death by violence rate doing?

The mass murder rate in the U.S. IS way down.

It's pretty easy to have enough bludgeoning and stabbing deaths to make up for a couple mass murders. And the idea of an armed citizenry does prevent crime.

zeggman · 20th July 2012, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

You clearly know nothing about Bryant and Port Arthur.

Quote:

Bryant was referred for psychiatric treatment several times during his childhood. In 1984, a psychological evaluation by Dr Eric Cunningham Dax described him as mentally retarded and stated that he had a personality disorder.

Quote:

On Monday 13 November 2006, Bryant was moved into Hobart's Wilfred Lopes Centre, a secure mental health unit run by the Tasmanian Department of Health and Human Services. The 35-bed unit for inmates with serious mental illness is staffed inside with doctors, nurses and other support workers.

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bryant-martin.htm

Kestrel · 20th July 2012, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

What? Prima facie?

As I said earlier, Martin Bryant wasn't mentally ill. Neither was Julian Knight, to name another Australian mass killer before gun restrictions.

The legal definition of insanity excludes a lot of people who are in fact insane.

MattusMaximus · 20th July 2012, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel

What city is paperskater from? She doesn't strike me as a batman fan tho.

I just checked her Facebook, and she does live there, as do some other prominent skeptics whom I know. And it would not surprise me if they were all interested in going to the DKR premier.

I'm starting to get worried

The Mutha · 20th July 2012, 06:43 AM

posted before finishing my thought...

lionking · 20th July 2012, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by casebro

And how is you overall death by violence rate doing?

Way less than the US. Of course apologists for the high homicide rates in the US try to take off the gang-related murders. They don't count for some reason.

The Mutha · 20th July 2012, 06:45 AM

BBC this morning was stating that the gunman was found with a rifle and a hand gun. They interviewed an eye witness who stated that the main shooting happened in one theatre, but that there were victims in the adjoining theatres from the bullets going through the walls.

I also doubt that it was a fully automatic rifle, chances are both weapons were semi-automatic, but it plays better on TV to say automatic...

Montag451 · 20th July 2012, 06:46 AM

Horrible news.

I predict that Fox News, NRA, wing nut contingent of the right wing will start to try and turn this into an argument about violence in films, not about allowing guns into the hands of people who shouldn't.

Just read a report (The Telegraph) that his mother new nothing about the shooting, but when told her son my be involved said "You have the right person".

lionking · 20th July 2012, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by zeggman

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bryant-martin.htm

Just as I thought. He had low IQ and was classed as having a disability. Try going to a disability support agency some day and try to tell them that their clients are insane.

Kestrel · 20th July 2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel

What city is paperskater from? She doesn't strike me as a batman fan tho.

Paperskater lives out here to the west of Denver. Other side of town from the shootings.

MattusMaximus · 20th July 2012, 06:49 AM

I'm contacting some skeptics whom I know live in Denver to see if they're okay.

zeggman · 20th July 2012, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Just as I thought. He had low IQ and was classed as having a disability. Try going to a disability support agency some day and try to tell them that their clients are insane.

Some are, some aren't. The ones who kill dozens of people for no reason clearly are.

bynmdsue · 20th July 2012, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Stephanolpoulos: I'm going to go to Brian Ross. You've been investigating the background of Jim Holmes here. You found something that might be significant.

Ross: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado.

Stephanolpoulos: Okay, we'll keep looking at that. Brian Ross, thanks very much.

Not the right guy, but keep playing.

MattusMaximus · 20th July 2012, 06:53 AM

I just heard back from Bryan Bonner of Warning Radio. He said he wasn't there but he knew a lot of people who were and he's still waiting for a casualty list.

The Dark Lord · 20th July 2012, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Way less than the US. Of course apologists for the high homicide rates in the US try to take off the gang-related murders. They don't count for some reason.

Hell, our non-gun homicide rate is probably higher than your overall homicide rate. Clearly the problem isn't the guns. And if it were, wouldn't it follow that as gun laws have become less restrictive in the US in past 25 years or so, that there would be more homicides? There isn't.

BStrong · 20th July 2012, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Isn't it relatively easy to convert say an AK-47 to fully automatic if you have access to to some decent machining tools?

No - not unless the machinist in question knows exactly what he's doing.

lionking · 20th July 2012, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by zeggman

Some are, some aren't. The ones who kill dozens of people for no reason clearly are.

Oh I see. "Clearly".

Just for starters, which of the 9/11 hijackers were clearly insane?

I stand by the assessment of Martin Bryant as not insane when he carried out the murders, but how about you have a crack at another I mentioned, Julian Knight? He has become well qualified while in jail.

NoahFence · 20th July 2012, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Just for starters, which of the 9/11 hijackers were clearly insane?

Um... all of 'em?

lionking · 20th July 2012, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Um... all of 'em?

Well that's news. What mental illness were they suffering?

Look, this guy might turn out to be mentally ill, but it's not axiomatic that a mass murderer must be mentally ill. This is hardly controversial. Unless someone can produce evidence that all mass murderers are mentally ill.

zeggman · 20th July 2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Oh I see. "Clearly".

Just for starters, which of the 9/11 hijackers were clearly insane?

I stand by the assessment of Martin Bryant as not insane when he carried out the murders, but how about you have a crack at another I mentioned, Julian Knight? He has become well qualified while in jail.

So, diagnosed with a personality disorder before the murders, and currently being held in a psychiatric facility for people with serious mental illness, but during a brief moment of sanity he went out and killed a bunch of people for no reason.

Having already found you were spouting nonsense about one of your homegrown psychos, I have no interest in derailing the thread further. Even if there is an occasional exception, "mental illness" remains the most plausible explanation for this type of behavior.

zeggman · 20th July 2012, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Well that's news. What mental illness were [the 9/11 hijackers] suffering?

Fundie brain freeze.

MattusMaximus · 20th July 2012, 07:08 AM

Matt Baxter of Warning Radio is okay, as is (I assume) Karen Stollznow (they're partners). He says he lives pretty close to the theater in question and is pretty shaken up, though.

Still waiting to hear from others...

20th July 2012, 06:23 AM	#81
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,650	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey Early this morning, one news reporter stated an automatic waepon was used, but I have not been able to substantiate that since. I know Colorado makes it difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic rifle, but importing or stealing one is a possibility. I heard a witness talk about a shotgun. All will be revealed soon I suppose.
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20th July 2012, 06:27 AM	#82
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 5,507	The shooter did live right? We will definitely know more about his motivations, history later.
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20th July 2012, 06:27 AM	#83
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey Early this morning, one news reporter stated an automatic waepon was used, but I have not been able to substantiate that since. I know Colorado makes it difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic rifle, but importing or stealing one is a possibility. It is the federal government that makes you go through a bunch of hassle to get a legal automatic weapon. They are also very expensive because there are not that many of them. There is pretty much no way he had a legal one. I guess it is possible that he had an illegal one but it is much more likely that it was just a regular semi-auto.
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20th July 2012, 06:28 AM	#84
zeggman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,761	Originally Posted by lionking As I said earlier, Martin Bryant wasn't mentally ill. Well, now that it's appeared on the internet, it must be true. He's being held in a mental health facility for people with serious mental illness. Maybe it was the stress of the trial that drove him over the edge.
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20th July 2012, 06:29 AM	#86
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,314	Originally Posted by Rolfe CT thread already! http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=240322 Rolfe. Not a CT thread. Any further comment on it risks my membership.
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20th July 2012, 06:29 AM	#85
Kestrel Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: DM79 Posts: 4,203	Originally Posted by Rolfe No, you're right, that's not the same thing. I suppose there are sociologists and criminologists looking at it, but I wonder why this is happening now (and for the past 25 years or so), but wasn't seen earlier?. The Texas Tower Shootings^WP of 1966 were a similar event. A well armed lunatic trying to kill as many people as possible.

20th July 2012, 06:31 AM	#87
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,650	Originally Posted by zeggman Well, now that it's appeared on the internet, it must be true. He's being held in a mental health facility for people with serious mental illness. Maybe it was the stress of the trial that drove him over the edge. You clearly know nothing about Bryant and Port Arthur.
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20th July 2012, 06:31 AM	#88
bynmdsue Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,385	His name is James Holmes, aged 24.

20th July 2012, 06:33 AM	#89
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel The shooter did live right? We will definitely know more about his motivations, history later. He could choose not to talk. But I guess it doesn't make sense to do something like this and not say why you did it. But then again, it doesn't make sense to do something like this in the first place.
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20th July 2012, 06:33 AM	#90
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,382	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord It is the federal government that makes you go through a bunch of hassle to get a legal automatic weapon. They are also very expensive because there are not that many of them. There is pretty much no way he had a legal one. I guess it is possible that he had an illegal one but it is much more likely that it was just a regular semi-auto. Isn't it relatively easy to convert say an AK-47 to fully automatic if you have access to to some decent machining tools?
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20th July 2012, 06:35 AM	#91
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Oh my... I hope there weren't any Denver forumites at the theater(s) in question. Anyone from Denver care to sound off?
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20th July 2012, 06:36 AM	#92
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 5,507	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord He could choose not to talk. But I guess it doesn't make sense to do something like this and not say why you did it. But then again, it doesn't make sense to do something like this in the first place. He will eventually. I mean, he's got nothing else to do for the rest of his life.
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20th July 2012, 06:37 AM	#93
UNLoVedRebel Hard Knocks Doctorate Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: School of Hard Knocks Posts: 5,507	Originally Posted by MattusMaximus Oh my... I hope there weren't any Denver forumites at the theater(s) in question. Anyone from Denver care to sound off? What city is paperskater from? She doesn't strike me as a batman fan tho.
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20th July 2012, 06:38 AM	#94
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller Isn't it relatively easy to convert say an AK-47 to fully automatic if you have access to to some decent machining tools? I don't think that it is really that easy although someone who knew what they were doing could probably do it. Definitely illegal though.
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20th July 2012, 06:39 AM	#95
bynmdsue Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,385	Neighbors report a small explosion as police robot enters Holmes' apartment.

20th July 2012, 06:39 AM	#96
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,794	Reply to Dark Lord: Ok, a Colt M16A4 semi-automatic still can fire about 45 rounds per minute.
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20th July 2012, 06:40 AM	#97
Noztradamus Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,846	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey Early this morning, one news reporter stated an automatic waepon was used, but I have not been able to substantiate that since. I know Colorado makes it difficult to legally purchase a fully automatic rifle, but importing or stealing one is a possibility. In cases like this I usually assume news reporters haven't got a clue and are just making up stuff for something to say. That assumption proves correct 83% of the time.
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20th July 2012, 06:40 AM	#98
RenaissanceBiker Eats shoots and leaves. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 6,799	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey Ok, a Colt M16A4 semi-automatic still can fire about 45 rounds per minute. And be more accurate doing it.
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20th July 2012, 06:40 AM	#99
casebro Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,792	Originally Posted by lionking At least you are honest about the consequences of your ridiculous (IMO) gun laws. See, I don't view owning and carrying guns a particularly important "freedom". One outrage (Port Arthur) led to heavy restrictions on gun ownership in Australia. There hasn't been a mass shooting murder in the 16 years since. And how is you overall death by violence rate doing? The mass murder rate in the U.S. IS way down. It's pretty easy to have enough bludgeoning and stabbing deaths to make up for a couple mass murders. And the idea of an armed citizenry does prevent crime.
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20th July 2012, 06:41 AM	#100
zeggman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,761	Originally Posted by lionking You clearly know nothing about Bryant and Port Arthur. Quote: Bryant was referred for psychiatric treatment several times during his childhood. In 1984, a psychological evaluation by Dr Eric Cunningham Dax described him as mentally retarded and stated that he had a personality disorder. Quote: On Monday 13 November 2006, Bryant was moved into Hobart's Wilfred Lopes Centre, a secure mental health unit run by the Tasmanian Department of Health and Human Services. The 35-bed unit for inmates with serious mental illness is staffed inside with doctors, nurses and other support workers. http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bryant-martin.htm
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20th July 2012, 06:42 AM	#101
Kestrel Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: DM79 Posts: 4,203	Originally Posted by lionking What? Prima facie? As I said earlier, Martin Bryant wasn't mentally ill. Neither was Julian Knight, to name another Australian mass killer before gun restrictions. The legal definition of insanity excludes a lot of people who are in fact insane.

20th July 2012, 06:43 AM	#102
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel What city is paperskater from? She doesn't strike me as a batman fan tho. I just checked her Facebook, and she does live there, as do some other prominent skeptics whom I know. And it would not surprise me if they were all interested in going to the DKR premier. I'm starting to get worried
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20th July 2012, 06:43 AM	#103
The Mutha thoroughly confused, but valiantly trying... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 1,504	posted before finishing my thought...
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20th July 2012, 06:44 AM	#104
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,650	Originally Posted by casebro And how is you overall death by violence rate doing? Way less than the US. Of course apologists for the high homicide rates in the US try to take off the gang-related murders. They don't count for some reason.
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20th July 2012, 06:45 AM	#105
The Mutha thoroughly confused, but valiantly trying... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 1,504	BBC this morning was stating that the gunman was found with a rifle and a hand gun. They interviewed an eye witness who stated that the main shooting happened in one theatre, but that there were victims in the adjoining theatres from the bullets going through the walls. I also doubt that it was a fully automatic rifle, chances are both weapons were semi-automatic, but it plays better on TV to say automatic...
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20th July 2012, 06:46 AM	#106
Montag451 Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Peru Posts: 372	Horrible news. I predict that Fox News, NRA, wing nut contingent of the right wing will start to try and turn this into an argument about violence in films, not about allowing guns into the hands of people who shouldn't. Just read a report (The Telegraph) that his mother new nothing about the shooting, but when told her son my be involved said "You have the right person".

20th July 2012, 06:47 AM	#107
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,650	Originally Posted by zeggman http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bryant-martin.htm Just as I thought. He had low IQ and was classed as having a disability. Try going to a disability support agency some day and try to tell them that their clients are insane.
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20th July 2012, 06:48 AM	#108
Kestrel Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: DM79 Posts: 4,203	Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel What city is paperskater from? She doesn't strike me as a batman fan tho. Paperskater lives out here to the west of Denver. Other side of town from the shootings.

20th July 2012, 06:49 AM	#109
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	I'm contacting some skeptics whom I know live in Denver to see if they're okay.
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20th July 2012, 06:49 AM	#110
zeggman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,761	Originally Posted by lionking Just as I thought. He had low IQ and was classed as having a disability. Try going to a disability support agency some day and try to tell them that their clients are insane. Some are, some aren't. The ones who kill dozens of people for no reason clearly are.
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20th July 2012, 06:52 AM	#111
bynmdsue Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,385	Quote: Stephanolpoulos: I'm going to go to Brian Ross. You've been investigating the background of Jim Holmes here. You found something that might be significant. Ross: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado. Stephanolpoulos: Okay, we'll keep looking at that. Brian Ross, thanks very much. Not the right guy, but keep playing.

20th July 2012, 06:53 AM	#112
MattusMaximus Intellectual Gladiator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the midst of a vast, beautiful & uncaring universe Posts: 14,175	I just heard back from Bryan Bonner of Warning Radio. He said he wasn't there but he knew a lot of people who were and he's still waiting for a casualty list.
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20th July 2012, 06:54 AM	#113
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by lionking Way less than the US. Of course apologists for the high homicide rates in the US try to take off the gang-related murders. They don't count for some reason. Hell, our non-gun homicide rate is probably higher than your overall homicide rate. Clearly the problem isn't the guns. And if it were, wouldn't it follow that as gun laws have become less restrictive in the US in past 25 years or so, that there would be more homicides? There isn't.
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20th July 2012, 06:54 AM	#114
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,803	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller Isn't it relatively easy to convert say an AK-47 to fully automatic if you have access to to some decent machining tools? No - not unless the machinist in question knows exactly what he's doing.

20th July 2012, 06:55 AM	#115
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 29,650	Originally Posted by zeggman Some are, some aren't. The ones who kill dozens of people for no reason clearly are. Oh I see. "Clearly". Just for starters, which of the 9/11 hijackers were clearly insane? I stand by the assessment of Martin Bryant as not insane when he carried out the murders, but how about you have a crack at another I mentioned, Julian Knight? He has become well qualified while in jail.
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