FDNY Statements regarding WTC 7

Trojan · 26th July 2012, 08:37 AM

Does anyone have a link to the myrad of statements by the FDNY concerning the collapse of WTC 7 and their "foreknwledge"? I recall a good group of statements, but can't seem to find it.

thanks

Spindrift · 26th July 2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Trojan

Does anyone have a link to the myrad of statements by the FDNY concerning the collapse of WTC 7 and their "foreknwledge"? I recall a good group of statements, but can't seem to find it.

thanks

Since they didn't have any foreknowledge, do you mean statements stating that?

NoahFence · 26th July 2012, 08:44 AM

I don't believe that there are any "official" statements prior to the collapse. Only their educated belief that it was going to come down, and maybe one or two firefighters talking near a camera saying it's coming down.

Dave Rogers · 26th July 2012, 08:51 AM

The Gravysites links in the sticky thread at the top of this forum are a superb resource for this sort of information. For eyewitness accounts of WTC7, start here and follow the link at the bottom for a couple of pages.

Dave

jaydeehess · 26th July 2012, 08:53 AM

if memory serves, there was a thread along these lines not too long ago

Edx · 26th July 2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Since they didn't have any foreknowledge, do you mean statements stating that?

Yes they did have foreknowledge, just not in the way truthers claim and theres no possible way you could read their statements and remarks on it and come to that conclusion

I made a 2 part video series a while back with just a small section of them here.

PART 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvF_KOrRUyE
PART 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DPzY5-L54

Trojan · 26th July 2012, 01:32 PM

I like you videos -- just what I wanted to find - thanks

Crazytimes · 27th July 2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Edx

Yes they did have foreknowledge, just not in the way truthers claim and theres no possible way you could read their statements and remarks on it and come to that conclusion

I made a 2 part video series a while back with just a small section of them here.

PART 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvF_KOrRUyE
PART 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DPzY5-L54

Very good videos. I am shocked that people are still spewing this BS though -

"You have 2 videos on the same subject.
You can't take the heat?
My points are based in science, Just answer the questions.
I posted the RJ Lee Group, FEMA and USGA Evidence.
Univ of Copenhagen posted theirs on Bentham Open Physics, Why aren't you there disputing it, it's for peer review and has never been challenged in 4 years."
AnotherBoringWeek

notheist · 27th July 2012, 10:07 AM

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...ntsofwtc7fires

FDNY Chief Hayden: By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to col- lapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to col- lapse. "

Here is a guy who actually measured the leaning going on at WTC7. 47 story building don't lean unless there are some serious issues with it.

ElMondoHummus · 27th July 2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by notheist

47 story building don't lean unless there are some serious issues with it.

LOL, DEBUNKED!!

Although, if by "serious issues" you meant "the designers were on LSD", then yes, you may in fact be correct.

--------

ETA: Good grief. I just found a picture of this on Google...

It's as if that structure has no concept of personal space. Reminds me too much of this

:

cjnewson88 · 27th July 2012, 01:10 PM

ElMondo, those last two made me lol so hard at work now everyone is looking at me funny...

000063 · 27th July 2012, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Crazytimes

Very good videos. I am shocked that people are still spewing this BS though -

"You have 2 videos on the same subject.
You can't take the heat?
My points are based in science, Just answer the questions.
I posted the RJ Lee Group, FEMA and USGA Evidence.
Univ of Copenhagen posted theirs on Bentham Open Physics, Why aren't you there disputing it, it's for peer review and has never been challenged in 4 years."
AnotherBoringWeek

Isn't that the thing the editor quit over because she had supposedly vetted it and she had never seen it before?

Edx · 27th July 2012, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by 000063

Isn't that the thing the editor quit over because she had supposedly vetted it and she had never seen it before?

If you read the conversation between myself and that guy which I think takes place properly on my Richard Gage video he showed he didnt even know what Open Access was and tried to claim you didnt have to pay a fee to publish but was mixing up the free aspect to read it vs the pay aspect to publish. He promptly ignored this after I quoted the exact part he missed from their FAQ. Probably more amusingly he also claimed there had been no peer reviewed papers published on 911 AT ALL apart from the Bentham paper, seriously.

000063 · 27th July 2012, 08:59 PM

Which meant he was probably mixing up papers on 911 and papers from Truthers.

These are the unstoppable intellectual giants who are ferreting out the Troof, ladies and gents.

26th July 2012, 08:37 AM	#1
Trojan Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 407	FDNY Statements regarding WTC 7 Does anyone have a link to the myrad of statements by the FDNY concerning the collapse of WTC 7 and their "foreknwledge"? I recall a good group of statements, but can't seem to find it. thanks

26th July 2012, 08:40 AM	#2
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,445	Originally Posted by Trojan Does anyone have a link to the myrad of statements by the FDNY concerning the collapse of WTC 7 and their "foreknwledge"? I recall a good group of statements, but can't seem to find it. thanks Since they didn't have any foreknowledge, do you mean statements stating that?
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26th July 2012, 08:44 AM	#3
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,296	I don't believe that there are any "official" statements prior to the collapse. Only their educated belief that it was going to come down, and maybe one or two firefighters talking near a camera saying it's coming down.
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26th July 2012, 08:51 AM	#4
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In a world lit only by fire. Posts: 17,894	The Gravysites links in the sticky thread at the top of this forum are a superb resource for this sort of information. For eyewitness accounts of WTC7, start here and follow the link at the bottom for a couple of pages. Dave
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26th July 2012, 10:05 AM	#6
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by Spindrift Since they didn't have any foreknowledge, do you mean statements stating that? Yes they did have foreknowledge, just not in the way truthers claim and theres no possible way you could read their statements and remarks on it and come to that conclusion I made a 2 part video series a while back with just a small section of them here. PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvF_KOrRUyE PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DPzY5-L54
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26th July 2012, 08:53 AM	#5
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,798	if memory serves, there was a thread along these lines not too long ago

26th July 2012, 01:32 PM	#7
Trojan Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 407	I like you videos -- just what I wanted to find - thanks

27th July 2012, 08:45 AM	#8
Crazytimes Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 348	Originally Posted by Edx Yes they did have foreknowledge, just not in the way truthers claim and theres no possible way you could read their statements and remarks on it and come to that conclusion I made a 2 part video series a while back with just a small section of them here. PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvF_KOrRUyE PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DPzY5-L54 Very good videos. I am shocked that people are still spewing this BS though - "You have 2 videos on the same subject. You can't take the heat? My points are based in science, Just answer the questions. I posted the RJ Lee Group, FEMA and USGA Evidence. Univ of Copenhagen posted theirs on Bentham Open Physics, Why aren't you there disputing it, it's for peer review and has never been challenged in 4 years." AnotherBoringWeek

27th July 2012, 10:07 AM	#9
notheist Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Detroit Posts: 196	https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7li...ntsofwtc7fires FDNY Chief Hayden: By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to col- lapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to col- lapse. " Here is a guy who actually measured the leaning going on at WTC7. 47 story building don't lean unless there are some serious issues with it.
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27th July 2012, 12:26 PM	#10
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,938	Originally Posted by notheist 47 story building don't lean unless there are some serious issues with it. LOL, *DEBUNKED!!* Although, if by "serious issues" you meant "the designers were on LSD", then yes, you may in fact be correct. -------- ETA: Good grief. I just found a picture of this on Google... It's as if that structure has no concept of personal space. Reminds me too much of this :
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27th July 2012, 01:10 PM	#11
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27th July 2012, 08:03 PM	#12
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,734	Originally Posted by Crazytimes Very good videos. I am shocked that people are still spewing this BS though - "You have 2 videos on the same subject. You can't take the heat? My points are based in science, Just answer the questions. I posted the RJ Lee Group, FEMA and USGA Evidence. Univ of Copenhagen posted theirs on Bentham Open Physics, Why aren't you there disputing it, it's for peer review and has never been challenged in 4 years." AnotherBoringWeek Isn't that the thing the editor quit over because she had supposedly vetted it and she had never seen it before?
	__________________ No, I'd like you to answer the question in two, simple, coherent sentences. ... That's how you present credible arguments in written form. -ergo, on me giving him a 2 digit number I can think of two reasons why bedunkers are often so loathe to explain their theories using plain, concise language--words even. - ergo

27th July 2012, 08:11 PM	#13
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by 000063 Isn't that the thing the editor quit over because she had supposedly vetted it and she had never seen it before? If you read the conversation between myself and that guy which I think takes place properly on my Richard Gage video he showed he didnt even know what Open Access was and tried to claim you didnt have to pay a fee to publish but was mixing up the free aspect to read it vs the pay aspect to publish. He promptly ignored this after I quoted the exact part he missed from their FAQ. Probably more amusingly he also claimed there had been no peer reviewed papers published on 911 AT ALL apart from the Bentham paper, seriously.
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	__________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSkepticalIdealist

27th July 2012, 08:59 PM	#14
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,734	Which meant he was probably mixing up papers on 911 and papers from Truthers. These are the unstoppable intellectual giants who are ferreting out the Troof, ladies and gents.
	__________________ No, I'd like you to answer the question in two, simple, coherent sentences. ... That's how you present credible arguments in written form. -ergo, on me giving him a 2 digit number I can think of two reasons why bedunkers are often so loathe to explain their theories using plain, concise language--words even. - ergo