Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians

phantasmagoria7 · 2nd August 2012, 01:13 PM

Okay, so I'm sure many of you on here are already aware of the "dancing Israelis" on 9/11, so I'll refrain from even explaining, but unless anyone doesn't know, here's a link to the 9/11 Myths article about it:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

However, one of the things I'm wondering about is the call made to the Jersey City Police:

"Dispatcher: Jersey City police.

Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.

Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.

Dispatcher: He has what?

Caller: He's dressed like an Arab."

Unless I've overlooked, I can't seem to find anything mentioned about this on 9/11 Myths. Also, by doing a Google search with JREF mentioned, I'm only getting one result from this forum talking about this call, but I'd prefer to hear an actual opinion of what you think about it, as opposed to frivolous comments like, "Of course, man! The inside job was done by Jewish Palestinians pretending to be George Bush, dressed as Martha Stewart!":

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94942

So my question is:

Do you think the caller was just entirely mistaken and mistook the Israelis for "Palestinians" and wearing "sheikh uniform" and "mixing junk".

Was the caller right? Was there actually Palestinians "mixing some junk"?

Or do you think this was maybe just entirely a prank phone call?

Any other explanations are welcome too, of course.

I'm not making any arguments; I'm merely wanting opinions on the matter. Thanks!

Horatius · 2nd August 2012, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Any other explanations are welcome too, of course.

What's wrong with, "He's a stupid racist who decided to call the cops on the guys "dressed like an Arab"?"

ElMondoHummus · 2nd August 2012, 01:38 PM

I remember this happening, and then nothing else coming from it. I also recall some of the racist posters here trying to claim that it was a van full of Israelis who were involved in that nefarious "inside job". But really, I don't see it as being anything to be worked up over.

Recall that there were assaults on Sikhs around the nation in the wake of 9/11 because people thought they were dressed like Muslims. Lots of people can't tell them apart. So I'm really doubtful that a description of a person being "dressed like an Arab" really matters much. It may have been that they indeed Arabs, but again, there was practically no followup. Who knows how accurate the initial report was?

No one can discount original observations, such as the ones made in the 911 call you described. But at the same time, without confirming evidence, there's simply no way to properly contextualize it. A white van heading towards the Holland tunnel with some Arabic looking people inside is a piece of trivia about that point in history, no more. It's only trivia because there's no other information that raises it above that.

I'm not trying to be harsh about it. It's just that without any context, it's meaningless. It could be entirely accurate, or it could be a 100% mistaken observation (I recall one of my Filipino friends being mistaken for a Mexican. That amused both of us). There's just no way to tell without more information, and I've never seen any additional information that's credible. Just more hearsay (like the report of the van that was full of explosives; some people confuse this and that report, I think, yet there's no evidence that either have any level of accuracy).

It's trivia, I'm afraid. Without anything more, that's all it can be.

cjnewson88 · 2nd August 2012, 01:46 PM

I think Horatius got it in one..

phantasmagoria7 · 2nd August 2012, 01:47 PM

Thanks for the replies.

ElMondoHummus · 2nd August 2012, 01:52 PM

Oh, I just realized I forgot to answer you directly. My honest opinion of what I actually think it is is that it was a serious, honest 9/11 call where the caller honestly felt as though he was seeing something potentially nefarious, but which ultimately was nothing more than some mundane happenstance. The utter lack of followup by anyone - police, press, etc. - lends weight to that.

But I admit, we'll never know.

jaydeehess · 2nd August 2012, 01:53 PM

the customer service rep at the cable office here took a call in which the caller wanted to commend the work done by the tech who had been to her house the previous day. The caller did not recall his name and described him as "the Mexican gentleman".
He is a Canadian native North American

btw how do Arabic dressed people become jews?

ElMondoHummus · 2nd August 2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

btw how do Arabic dressed people become jews?

Stupidly wishful thinking on antisemites part.

Yes, yes, I know I could've played the bar mitzvah/conversion to Judaism joke here, but I decided against it

.

Justin39640 · 2nd August 2012, 02:25 PM

Lol that describes a lot of vans around here. Generally Arabs don't wear the traditional head wrap you see on tv. Most people around here mistake the Sikhs as Arabs cause of their head wraps. I always correct people on that.

jaydeehess · 3rd August 2012, 05:44 AM

<<sigh>> yes, I know of one person who refers to all persons from Morrocco to India with the same term, a short form of "Pakistani".

Robrob · 4th August 2012, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Caller: He's dressed like an Arab."

Yeah, funny how the CT nuts go from a guy dressed like Omar Sharif to "Teh Joos."

fuelair · 4th August 2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by phantasmagoria7

Okay, so I'm sure many of you on here are already aware of the "dancing Israelis" on 9/11, so I'll refrain from even explaining, but unless anyone doesn't know, here's a link to the 9/11 Myths article about it:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

However, one of the things I'm wondering about is the call made to the Jersey City Police:

"Dispatcher: Jersey City police.

Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.

Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.

Dispatcher: He has what?

Caller: He's dressed like an Arab."

Unless I've overlooked, I can't seem to find anything mentioned about this on 9/11 Myths. Also, by doing a Google search with JREF mentioned, I'm only getting one result from this forum talking about this call, but I'd prefer to hear an actual opinion of what you think about it, as opposed to frivolous comments like, "Of course, man! The inside job was done by Jewish Palestinians pretending to be George Bush, dressed as Martha Stewart!":

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94942

So my question is:

Do you think the caller was just entirely mistaken and mistook the Israelis for "Palestinians" and wearing "sheikh uniform" and "mixing junk".

Was the caller right? Was there actually Palestinians "mixing some junk"?

Or do you think this was maybe just entirely a prank phone call?

Any other explanations are welcome too, of course.

I'm not making any arguments; I'm merely wanting opinions on the matter. Thanks!

Bush was dressed as Margaret Thatcher, not Martha Stewart*. Get your conspiracy stuff in order!!!

*And, it was for a quiet outing and a DP with Rove and Cheney.

leftysergeant · 4th August 2012, 10:05 PM

The caller seems to have been kind of babbling. How could he see them "mixing stuff" inside a van?

fuelair · 6th August 2012, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

The caller seems to have been kind of babbling. How could he see them "mixing stuff" inside a van?

Oviously the side door was open for ventilation to keep the fire up for the cauldron............

Robrob · 6th August 2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

The caller seems to have been kind of babbling. How could he see them "mixing stuff" inside a van?

The call seems to have been nothing more than a nutcase/prank call.

phantasmagoria7 · 6th August 2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Oviously the side door was open for ventilation to keep the fire up for the cauldron............

Or maybe they were making chocolate milk

jaydeehess · 7th August 2012, 12:09 PM

suburban Milwauke over the weekend an armed white supremacist with a 9/11 tatoo opened fire at a Sihk temple. Speculation is the gunman mistook it for a Mosque, or did not know the difference.

Gunman shot a responding officer and was subsequently shot and killed by police

Checkmite · 7th August 2012, 12:15 PM

Since nothing else was gassed/bombed/asploded in NYC on 9/11, I'm reasonably sure it wasn't terrorists mixing stuff. Maybe the guy was mistaken or maybe it was a prank call.

2nd August 2012, 01:13 PM	#1
phantasmagoria7 Scholar Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 61	Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians Okay, so I'm sure many of you on here are already aware of the "dancing Israelis" on 9/11, so I'll refrain from even explaining, but unless anyone doesn't know, here's a link to the 9/11 Myths article about it: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis However, one of the things I'm wondering about is the call made to the Jersey City Police: "Dispatcher: Jersey City police. Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building. Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform. Dispatcher: He has what? Caller: He's dressed like an Arab." Unless I've overlooked, I can't seem to find anything mentioned about this on 9/11 Myths. Also, by doing a Google search with JREF mentioned, I'm only getting one result from this forum talking about this call, but I'd prefer to hear an actual opinion of what you think about it, as opposed to frivolous comments like, "Of course, man! The inside job was done by Jewish Palestinians pretending to be George Bush, dressed as Martha Stewart!": http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94942 So my question is: Do you think the caller was just entirely mistaken and mistook the Israelis for "Palestinians" and wearing "sheikh uniform" and "mixing junk". Was the caller right? Was there actually Palestinians "mixing some junk"? Or do you think this was maybe just entirely a prank phone call? Any other explanations are welcome too, of course. I'm not making any arguments; I'm merely wanting opinions on the matter. Thanks!
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2nd August 2012, 01:28 PM	#2
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,890	Quote: Any other explanations are welcome too, of course. What's wrong with, "He's a stupid racist who decided to call the cops on the guys "dressed like an Arab"?"
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2nd August 2012, 01:38 PM	#3
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,945	I remember this happening, and then nothing else coming from it. I also recall some of the racist posters here trying to claim that it was a van full of Israelis who were involved in that nefarious "inside job". But really, I don't see it as being anything to be worked up over. Recall that there were assaults on Sikhs around the nation in the wake of 9/11 because people thought they were dressed like Muslims. Lots of people can't tell them apart. So I'm really doubtful that a description of a person being "dressed like an Arab" really matters much. It may have been that they indeed Arabs, but again, there was practically no followup. Who knows how accurate the initial report was? No one can discount original observations, such as the ones made in the 911 call you described. But at the same time, without confirming evidence, there's simply no way to properly contextualize it. A white van heading towards the Holland tunnel with some Arabic looking people inside is a piece of trivia about that point in history, no more. It's only trivia because there's no other information that raises it above that. I'm not trying to be harsh about it. It's just that without any context, it's meaningless. It could be entirely accurate, or it could be a 100% mistaken observation (I recall one of my Filipino friends being mistaken for a Mexican. That amused both of us). There's just no way to tell without more information, and I've never seen any additional information that's credible. Just more hearsay (like the report of the van that was full of explosives; some people confuse this and that report, I think, yet there's no evidence that either have any level of accuracy). It's trivia, I'm afraid. Without anything more, that's all it can be.
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2nd August 2012, 01:46 PM	#4
cjnewson88 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The van with the big antenna Posts: 1,289	I think Horatius got it in one..
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2nd August 2012, 01:47 PM	#5
phantasmagoria7 Scholar Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 61	Thanks for the replies.
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2nd August 2012, 01:52 PM	#6
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,945	Oh, I just realized I forgot to answer you directly. My honest opinion of what I actually think it is is that it was a serious, honest 9/11 call where the caller honestly felt as though he was seeing something potentially nefarious, but which ultimately was nothing more than some mundane happenstance. The utter lack of followup by anyone - police, press, etc. - lends weight to that. But I admit, we'll never know.
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2nd August 2012, 01:53 PM	#7
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	the customer service rep at the cable office here took a call in which the caller wanted to commend the work done by the tech who had been to her house the previous day. The caller did not recall his name and described him as "the Mexican gentleman". He is a Canadian native North American btw how do Arabic dressed people become jews?

2nd August 2012, 01:59 PM	#8
ElMondoHummus 0.25 short of being half-witted Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere north of the South Pole Posts: 11,945	Originally Posted by jaydeehess btw how do Arabic dressed people become jews? Stupidly wishful thinking on antisemites part. Yes, yes, I know I could've played the bar mitzvah/conversion to Judaism joke here, but I decided against it .
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2nd August 2012, 02:25 PM	#9
Justin39640 Illuminator Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 3,646	Lol that describes a lot of vans around here. Generally Arabs don't wear the traditional head wrap you see on tv. Most people around here mistake the Sikhs as Arabs cause of their head wraps. I always correct people on that.
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3rd August 2012, 05:44 AM	#10
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	<<sigh>> yes, I know of one person who refers to all persons from Morrocco to India with the same term, a short form of "Pakistani".

4th August 2012, 06:23 PM	#11
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Quote: Caller: He's dressed like an Arab." Yeah, funny how the CT nuts go from a guy dressed like Omar Sharif to "Teh Joos."
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4th August 2012, 08:54 PM	#12
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,947	Originally Posted by phantasmagoria7 Okay, so I'm sure many of you on here are already aware of the "dancing Israelis" on 9/11, so I'll refrain from even explaining, but unless anyone doesn't know, here's a link to the 9/11 Myths article about it: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis However, one of the things I'm wondering about is the call made to the Jersey City Police: "Dispatcher: Jersey City police. Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building. Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform. Dispatcher: He has what? Caller: He's dressed like an Arab." Unless I've overlooked, I can't seem to find anything mentioned about this on 9/11 Myths. Also, by doing a Google search with JREF mentioned, I'm only getting one result from this forum talking about this call, but I'd prefer to hear an actual opinion of what you think about it, as opposed to frivolous comments like, "Of course, man! The inside job was done by Jewish Palestinians pretending to be George Bush, dressed as Martha Stewart!": http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94942 So my question is: Do you think the caller was just entirely mistaken and mistook the Israelis for "Palestinians" and wearing "sheikh uniform" and "mixing junk". Was the caller right? Was there actually Palestinians "mixing some junk"? Or do you think this was maybe just entirely a prank phone call? Any other explanations are welcome too, of course. I'm not making any arguments; I'm merely wanting opinions on the matter. Thanks! Bush was dressed as Margaret Thatcher, not Martha Stewart. Get your conspiracy stuff in order!!! And, it was for a quiet outing and a DP with Rove and Cheney.
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4th August 2012, 10:05 PM	#13
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,613	The caller seems to have been kind of babbling. How could he see them "mixing stuff" inside a van?
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6th August 2012, 11:51 AM	#14
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,947	Originally Posted by leftysergeant The caller seems to have been kind of babbling. How could he see them "mixing stuff" inside a van? Oviously the side door was open for ventilation to keep the fire up for the cauldron............
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6th August 2012, 01:30 PM	#15
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Originally Posted by leftysergeant The caller seems to have been kind of babbling. How could he see them "mixing stuff" inside a van? The call seems to have been nothing more than a nutcase/prank call.
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6th August 2012, 03:54 PM	#16
phantasmagoria7 Scholar Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 61	Originally Posted by fuelair Oviously the side door was open for ventilation to keep the fire up for the cauldron............ Or maybe they were making chocolate milk
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7th August 2012, 12:09 PM	#17
jaydeehess Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: I beedunk 40 miles from the border Posts: 10,810	suburban Milwauke over the weekend an armed white supremacist with a 9/11 tatoo opened fire at a Sihk temple. Speculation is the gunman mistook it for a Mosque, or did not know the difference. Gunman shot a responding officer and was subsequently shot and killed by police

7th August 2012, 12:15 PM	#18
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,881	Since nothing else was gassed/bombed/asploded in NYC on 9/11, I'm reasonably sure it wasn't terrorists mixing stuff. Maybe the guy was mistaken or maybe it was a prank call.
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