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aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by ehcks

Why is the supernatural always blurry and out of focus?

Because if you saw the supernatural in its pure form, you would go mad; MAD, I tell you!!!

aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Kid Eager

I didn't know there was a God of Crap Photography. I'll add it to my pantheon...

No fair! I need that one for MY collection!

aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Javman

That's not the deal..I don't imagine what I see...I know you all seen and heard from other's about what I do..I can asure you all what I do is real...God Bless

When a brain that is malfunctioning tells you it is working properly, don't listen to it.

aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

He's using his Kodak to take pictures of his computer monitor.

Of course, that's where spirits hang out these days.

Much more comfortable than the dusty closets they used to inhabit.

P.J. Denyer · 22nd August 2012, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

Because if you saw the supernatural in its pure form, you would go mad; MAD, I tell you!!!

Yep, there's definitely a connection between the two

Jack by the hedge · 22nd August 2012, 05:48 AM

Javman, as you appear to have put in your album second-generation pictures made by photographing your computer monitor, can you reassure us that these are all actually your photographs, or are you looking for odd shapes in other people's work too?

Learjet · 22nd August 2012, 05:49 AM

I'm sure I can do better than Javman. After all I practice every clear night.

Here is a photo of the spirit of my horse after it died and went to heaven. The constellation of Orion to be exact. He now lives happily amongst the stars, playing with Canis Major, Leo, Capricorn and all the other animals in the sky.

Tatyana · 22nd August 2012, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen

What, even the 'holy spirit'?

Zombies are presumably ok though, considering they chose one as their leader.

To be (semi) serious for a mo though, doesn't the bible talk about casting out spirits etc. I don't think believing in them would make you a bad Christian - though 'consorting' with them would probably do it. Photographing them would be a bit of a grey area but talking to them is presumably definitely out...

I am fairly certain that 'real' Christians would think this photographer was possessed by satan.

Originally Posted by Resume

Excluding the holy spirit of course.

I also thought that everyone knew that Catholics are not 'true' Christians.

aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Javman, as you appear to have put in your album second-generation pictures made by photographing your computer monitor, can you reassure us that these are all actually your photographs, or are you looking for odd shapes in other people's work too?

What happens if you take a spirit photograph of someone else's spirit photograph?

Ooooh....I just blew my own mind.

aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Tatyana

I also thought that everyone knew that Catholics are not 'true' Christians.

It's true, we are not.

Hail Satan.

Crossbow · 22nd August 2012, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Javman

That's not the deal..I don't imagine what I see...I know you all seen and heard from other's about what I do..I can asure you all what I do is real...God Bless

Well, if it means anything to you, I do think that your beliefs are quite sincere and deeply held, and that your various beliefs mean a great deal to you.

However, I do need to point out, that motivations (no matter how sincere and honest) cannot make a delusion be a reality.

Or allow me to put it this way ...

If what you say is true that there is some sort of paranormal world which one can photograph, then one would expect that there would be millions and millions of such photographs considering the vast numbers of cameras that are in the world. After all, cameras are almost a standard item in just about every cell phone.

Further, since today’s technology is so good (the mass of Pluto can be accurately measured, as well as the Gravitational Constant of the Universe, and the charge on an Electron, to name just a few things), then one would expect far more evidence of this paranormal world besides some photographs that you have taken.

I hope this helps!

bruto · 22nd August 2012, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Biscuit

Most of these cameras have a auto and a manual mode as well as specific scene settings such as "beach", "fireworks", "Interior" ect.

If you set the camera to a setting thats inappropriate, say "fireworks", inside a big box store you get some funky looking images. Add a bit of hand movement and I think I can take spirit photos too.

Many of the Kodak Photoshare models do not have a manual mode. You still get the scene settings, which may be enough to spoil a photograph, but it may be harder than on, say, a decent Canon. I'll have to do some experimenting.

Bad vibe · 22nd August 2012, 06:42 AM

Javman you should talk to Punshhh, you'd get on famously.

Biscuit · 22nd August 2012, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

Many of the Kodak Photoshare models do not have a manual mode. You still get the scene settings, which may be enough to spoil a photograph, but it may be harder than on, say, a decent Canon. I'll have to do some experimenting.

Someone posted a link to that model and it did have a "Manual" on the setting wheel.

Either way its been discovered he is taken photos of photos on a computer monitor.

Javman - Please tell us your exact methods and explain why you didn't tell us this to start with.

TjW · 22nd August 2012, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by MortFurd

This one looks like a barking seal to me. I can't find a snake face or a yellow car, either one.

In case you can't see the seal:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...4a497c65c8.jpg

Really? I see it as a Shmoo howling at the moon.

GeeMack · 22nd August 2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

It took me a little time to work out how Javman was able to take such dreadful, low-resolution pictures while using his camera set to 80 ISO. Then I looked at "Indian Spirit with two whitetail deer hanging" (third picture on the second page of his album) and all became clear: He's using his Kodak to take pictures of his computer monitor.

If you look at the picture full-size you can see the individual pixels of the monitor. The real giveaway is that you can plainly see the mouse pointer in the picture.

Good catch, Jack. Here's the actual size detail...

Quote:

So he's zooming right in on fragments of pictures, magnifying not only motion blur and pixellation, but digital compression artefacts too, then photographing the monitor. ~~Pareidolia~~ Sham without a doubt.

I fixed your misspelling.

Resume · 22nd August 2012, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by GeeMack

Good catch, Jack. Here's the actual size detail...

http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UX...rit+Detail.jpg

I fixed your misspelling.

So it's conscious fraud. Check.

Marcus · 22nd August 2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Javman

I never charge anyone for anything....I just show them the results..Thanks again

Just for fun you might want to try a simple test. Show your pictures to a group of people but don't tell them what is there. Have them write down what they think is there on a slip of paper and put it in a box without talking to anyone else.

They should all be Believers if possible, so more supernatural responses are given.

Compare these responses to your own conclusions.

deaman · 22nd August 2012, 08:08 AM

This is truly sad and pathetic.

All I experienced was webpages by a guy who does really terrible, out-of-focus pictures, see "anything" he wants in those terrible, out-of-focus pictures, and then names them creatively.

Other then that.........I am sorry.

Have you though about taking up a musical instrument?

Steve001 · 22nd August 2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Javman

That's not the deal..I don't imagine what I see...I know you all seen and heard from other's about what I do..I can asure you all what I do is real...God Bless

Since you don't recognize your use of your imagination, you are certainly deluding yourself.

Ellen Travis · 22nd August 2012, 08:37 AM

This is just ridiculous!

Everyone knows that angels are very difficult to photograph as, to put it simply, they are just sooo up themselves. Swirling around in clouds all day long, gazing into their little angel mirrors, plucking harps and swishing their hair around as if the whole world was looking at them.

Try to photograph one of them and they just thrust their hands into the lens and act like complete divas only with deep voices and a very choice selections of words let me tell you!

If you're not careful they'll have your camera off you and no mistake.

Seriously dude, come back when you have something a little more credible to share

GeeMack · 22nd August 2012, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Well, if it means anything to you, I do think that your beliefs are quite sincere and deeply held, and that your various beliefs mean a great deal to you.

It is possible. We've had at least a few cranks and nuts come through here who have claimed to see unusual things in pictures, and insisted that if we would look at those pictures long enough, we would see them too. Recently there was the guy who thinks he found Amelia Earhart's plane...

Originally Posted by 321xamt

Someone interested in studying the Amelia mystery will know what kind of aircraft to look for and how long it has been underwater. Jimfish, when you grabbed my .png of the airframe from my website, I'll bet you didn't take two minutes to study it. The plane has been underwater at 35 feet or so for 75 years and is not going to jump off the screen like a 3-d projection. It took me 6 months of image study to find it.

It took him 6 months of "study" to find something he was looking for in a picture. And there's the classic crackpot who stares at heavily processed graphical data files from NASA satellites for a very, very long time and believes he sees a solid surface on the Sun. There are plenty of examples in the 9/11 threads where Truthers "see" something they consider glaringly obvious in a YouTube video, and admonish the rational people to watch it again... and again... and again, until we see it, too. These people seem certain that the only reason we don't see what they see is because we haven't looked long enough. Although the pseudo-astrophysics guy in particular is arguably not sane, many of them seem quite sincere.

But as for Javman's pictures and claims, I don't think the beliefs are sincere at all. It appears to be an intentional attempt to deceive.

Originally Posted by Resume

So it's conscious fraud. Check.

Looks that way, yep.

bruto · 22nd August 2012, 09:30 AM

If as represented, this stuff consists of pictures taken of a computer monitor (I'm not bothering to go back and check today) then I can think of no excuse for the behavior. The only possibility I see other than outright fraud is a level of stupidity and silliness so deep that sanity itself would be under question and the perpetrator would be far less damaged by accusations of wrongdoing.

JohnG · 22nd August 2012, 09:38 AM

But why take a picture of an image on a monitor?? Even if the images aren't his, why not save the image locally or failing that take a screenshot, then crop the image using any number of programs, freeware or otherwise*??? There is/was a CTist in one of the JFK threads who fancied himself an image analysis expert who also used to post images photographed off of computer monitors. Very strange.

Is this some experiment on Javman's part to test the credulity of the general public vs. that of skeptics? If so I'm not sure a public exhibition is always going to get accurate feedback. By that I mean that such a venue would probably tend to net both false positives (humoring the artist out of politeness) and false negatives (seeing the same things the artist claims to see but not necessarily wanting to say so in public).

*Some of which are included with the purchase of a digital camera.

Macgyver1968 · 22nd August 2012, 09:47 AM

Bahhh! He doesn't have the gift! I have the gift:

Spirit wig attacking Mike's head:

Spirit spears pierce the world's largest Compaq Presario desktop:

Spirits of dead Blues men attack me at the Balcony Club:

See?

Jack by the hedge · 22nd August 2012, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

If as represented, this stuff consists of pictures taken of a computer monitor (I'm not bothering to go back and check today) then I can think of no excuse for the behavior. The only possibility I see other than outright fraud is a level of stupidity and silliness so deep that sanity itself would be under question and the perpetrator would be far less damaged by accusations of wrongdoing.

It suggests either a curious, idiosyncratic solution to a lack of technical knowledge (knows how to upload pictures but doesn't know how to crop a portion of a picture) or a determination to make utterly sure all original Exif data is removed.

Neither makes much sense. I wonder if there's another explanation.

JohnG · 22nd August 2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

It suggests either a curious, idiosyncratic solution to a lack of technical knowledge (knows how to upload pictures but doesn't know how to crop a portion of a picture) or a determination to make utterly sure all original Exif data is removed.

Neither makes much sense. I wonder if there's another explanation.

A screenshot would've taken care of that.

Nice catch, BTW.

Craig B · 22nd August 2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Javman, ... By the way, do you ever hear the spirits, or is it just the photographs?

Naughty!

chillzero · 22nd August 2012, 10:38 AM

If these are photographs of someone else's photographs, then there may be some legal issues to consider. He may not even be able to post them here if he doesn't hold the copyright.

Earthborn · 22nd August 2012, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Then I looked at "Indian Spirit with two whitetail deer hanging" (third picture on the second page of his album) and all became clear: He's using his Kodak to take pictures of his computer monitor.

That explains some pictures, but not all. And he doesn't necessarily try to hide the fact that he takes pictures from screens; see picture 93, on page 7 titled "Mayan Spirit'snear ear of Ghost Hunter's international investigator". Picture 127 "man moping floor" is also obviously taken from a screen. Library scene in a horror movie perhaps?

B.S · 22nd August 2012, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen

... A (careful!) Google has produced some interesting cloud penis images but none as good as the one I remember from this book...

I have a cloud picture of one ... it's not the biggest and best, but isn't that always the way it is.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...822New0144.jpg

.

RenaissanceBiker · 22nd August 2012, 10:56 AM

I don't think he's coming back. PeaceCrusader's record is safe.

Psi Baba · 22nd August 2012, 10:59 AM

Who is Helmut?

gabeygoat · 22nd August 2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by JohnG

But why take a picture of an image on a monitor??

It adds one more layer of blurriness, oil stain rainbows, and reflections

So, ineffect, this:

Originally Posted by Javman

....there is NO TRICK Photography at all....

wasn't true. Either deliberately (lie) or not deliberately (has poor understanding of photography/tech)

aggle-rithm · 22nd August 2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Macgyver1968

Spirits of dead Blues men attack me at the Balcony Club:

See?

It's true. Sloppy fingering enrages the spirit world.

deaman · 22nd August 2012, 12:23 PM

Since the OP is unable to operate a camera, I wonder how long it will take him to figure out how to operate the "new one" he's been torn, by the people in this thread, who've been subjected to his ridiculous photo gallery?

paiute · 22nd August 2012, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Javman

Listen all....I know I'm in a Hornets nest here...I just wanted to see the response that I knew that I would get from how you all think...Now I see why the 1 million dollar prize is never given up it's a sham from a NON-Believer who teaches many people the same things he believes in..sorta like an occult thing. He's your leader and you all follow disbelieving and never giving anyone a chance to show you anything otherwise...I thank you all for your participation in my pre-testing as well..just like His pre-testing..No one will move onto the final.

1. You knew we would be nonresponsive? Why don't you just wear a cilice and get it over with?
2. How can a NON-Believer teach us the things he believes in?
3. So let me get this straight - the nonbeliever teaches us what to believe in and then we follow it disbelieving?
4. See your GP and have him or her adjust your meds.

Biscuit · 22nd August 2012, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

It's true. Sloppy fingering enrages the spirit world.

[/obligatory girlfriend joke]

Biscuit · 22nd August 2012, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

That explains some pictures, but not all.

His pictures of clouds are generally in focus if not poorly framed. I think he does take some "real" photos.

Originally Posted by Earthborn

And he doesn't necessarily try to hide the fact that he takes pictures from screens; see picture 93, on page 7 titled "Mayan Spirit'snear ear of Ghost Hunter's international investigator". Picture 127 "man moping floor" is also obviously taken from a screen. Library scene in a horror movie perhaps?

Not hiding but not telling anyone either. I asked early in thread for his equipment list and technique. The OP would never lead someone to conclude his method was anything other than typical outdoor, first person, photography.

Originally Posted by Javman

I am a photographer who takes pictures of the Paranormal World that exists just beyond our owm dimension. I have well over 18,000 pictures of full Apparitions of People, Animals, Beings from above..Cars and etc. from their own dimensions. It doesn't matter if it's nightime..daytime or anytime..It's a gift that I have to be able to relate to them on a daily basis. I know that many people are skeptics when it comes to what I'm able to do..So be it...I know what is out there and around us in the spirit realm I deal with it everyday and it is very interesting to say the least. I can get pictures of Spirits anywhere and anytime...just looking to being able to share with everyone who are interested in this reality. I will add a photo taken just two days ago.....and let you all be the judge....there is NO TRICK Photography at all....what I see is what you are looking at..enjoy...Also, I have a web-site at Smugmug.com just look my name up in the search....Greg Geraci... there and click onto my Spirit pictures to see some of what I've taken...click on the picture and on the rightside it will give you what size you want to see it in...also, Please leave a comment thank You !!

All of the highlighted seems to imply that he goes out and takes the pictures himself and that we are looking at the original result. Obviously someone can take pictures of their computer monitor "nighttime....daytime or anytime."

I would certainly call zooming in on a digital picture on a computer screen and then using a digital camera to capture that a "trick."

drewid · 22nd August 2012, 02:22 PM

I keep meaning to take a photo of the floor in the toilets at work. It's a light grey resin with small, closely spaced, random dark grey dots. It's a pareidolia paradise looking for faces and characters in there, there must be many hundreds in the whole floor.

It's a great way to pass the time while, um, waiting for things to take their natural course.

22nd August 2012, 05:31 AM	#121
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by ehcks Why is the supernatural always blurry and out of focus? Because if you saw the supernatural in its pure form, you would go mad; MAD, I tell you!!!
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22nd August 2012, 05:34 AM	#122
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by Kid Eager I didn't know there was a God of Crap Photography. I'll add it to my pantheon... No fair! I need that one for MY collection!
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22nd August 2012, 05:38 AM	#123
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by Javman That's not the deal..I don't imagine what I see...I know you all seen and heard from other's about what I do..I can asure you all what I do is real...God Bless When a brain that is malfunctioning tells you it is working properly, don't listen to it.
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22nd August 2012, 05:42 AM	#124
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge He's using his Kodak to take pictures of his computer monitor. Of course, that's where spirits hang out these days. Much more comfortable than the dusty closets they used to inhabit.
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22nd August 2012, 05:56 AM	#129
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge Javman, as you appear to have put in your album second-generation pictures made by photographing your computer monitor, can you reassure us that these are all actually your photographs, or are you looking for odd shapes in other people's work too? What happens if you take a spirit photograph of someone else's spirit photograph? Ooooh....I just blew my own mind.
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22nd August 2012, 05:44 AM	#125
P.J. Denyer Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,185	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm Because if you saw the supernatural in its pure form, you would go mad; MAD, I tell you!!! Yep, there's definitely a connection between the two

22nd August 2012, 05:48 AM	#126
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,514	Javman, as you appear to have put in your album second-generation pictures made by photographing your computer monitor, can you reassure us that these are all actually your photographs, or are you looking for odd shapes in other people's work too?

22nd August 2012, 05:53 AM	#128
Tatyana Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Experiment 1: Flame and Flesh Posts: 3,431	Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen What, even the 'holy spirit'? Zombies are presumably ok though, considering they chose one as their leader. To be (semi) serious for a mo though, doesn't the bible talk about casting out spirits etc. I don't think believing in them would make you a bad Christian - though 'consorting' with them would probably do it. Photographing them would be a bit of a grey area but talking to them is presumably definitely out... I am fairly certain that 'real' Christians would think this photographer was possessed by satan. Originally Posted by Resume Excluding the holy spirit of course. I also thought that everyone knew that Catholics are not 'true' Christians.

22nd August 2012, 05:57 AM	#130
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by Tatyana I also thought that everyone knew that Catholics are not 'true' Christians. It's true, we are not. Hail Satan.
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22nd August 2012, 06:08 AM	#131
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,349	Originally Posted by Javman That's not the deal..I don't imagine what I see...I know you all seen and heard from other's about what I do..I can asure you all what I do is real...God Bless Well, if it means anything to you, I do think that your beliefs are quite sincere and deeply held, and that your various beliefs mean a great deal to you. However, I do need to point out, that motivations (no matter how sincere and honest) cannot make a delusion be a reality. Or allow me to put it this way ... If what you say is true that there is some sort of paranormal world which one can photograph, then one would expect that there would be millions and millions of such photographs considering the vast numbers of cameras that are in the world. After all, cameras are almost a standard item in just about every cell phone. Further, since today’s technology is so good (the mass of Pluto can be accurately measured, as well as the Gravitational Constant of the Universe, and the charge on an Electron, to name just a few things), then one would expect far more evidence of this paranormal world besides some photographs that you have taken. I hope this helps!
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22nd August 2012, 06:23 AM	#132
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,261	Originally Posted by Biscuit Most of these cameras have a auto and a manual mode as well as specific scene settings such as "beach", "fireworks", "Interior" ect. If you set the camera to a setting thats inappropriate, say "fireworks", inside a big box store you get some funky looking images. Add a bit of hand movement and I think I can take spirit photos too. Many of the Kodak Photoshare models do not have a manual mode. You still get the scene settings, which may be enough to spoil a photograph, but it may be harder than on, say, a decent Canon. I'll have to do some experimenting.
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22nd August 2012, 06:42 AM	#133
Bad vibe Thinker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 232	Javman you should talk to Punshhh, you'd get on famously.

22nd August 2012, 06:57 AM	#134
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,923	Originally Posted by bruto Many of the Kodak Photoshare models do not have a manual mode. You still get the scene settings, which may be enough to spoil a photograph, but it may be harder than on, say, a decent Canon. I'll have to do some experimenting. Someone posted a link to that model and it did have a "Manual" on the setting wheel. Either way its been discovered he is taken photos of photos on a computer monitor. Javman - Please tell us your exact methods and explain why you didn't tell us this to start with.
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22nd August 2012, 07:00 AM	#135
TjW Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 10,115	Originally Posted by MortFurd This one looks like a barking seal to me. I can't find a snake face or a yellow car, either one. In case you can't see the seal: http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...4a497c65c8.jpg Really? I see it as a Shmoo howling at the moon.
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22nd August 2012, 07:17 AM	#136
GeeMack Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Not Bandiagara Posts: 7,241	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge It took me a little time to work out how Javman was able to take such dreadful, low-resolution pictures while using his camera set to 80 ISO. Then I looked at "Indian Spirit with two whitetail deer hanging" (third picture on the second page of his album) and all became clear: He's using his Kodak to take pictures of his computer monitor. If you look at the picture full-size you can see the individual pixels of the monitor. The real giveaway is that you can plainly see the mouse pointer in the picture. Good catch, Jack. Here's the actual size detail... Quote: So he's zooming right in on fragments of pictures, magnifying not only motion blur and pixellation, but digital compression artefacts too, then photographing the monitor. ~~Pareidolia~~ Sham without a doubt. I fixed your misspelling.

22nd August 2012, 07:30 AM	#137
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,144	Originally Posted by GeeMack Good catch, Jack. Here's the actual size detail... http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UX...rit+Detail.jpg I fixed your misspelling. So it's conscious fraud. Check.
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22nd August 2012, 07:52 AM	#138
Marcus Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austin Posts: 1,866	Originally Posted by Javman I never charge anyone for anything....I just show them the results..Thanks again Just for fun you might want to try a simple test. Show your pictures to a group of people but don't tell them what is there. Have them write down what they think is there on a slip of paper and put it in a box without talking to anyone else. They should all be Believers if possible, so more supernatural responses are given. Compare these responses to your own conclusions.

22nd August 2012, 08:08 AM	#139
deaman Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,781	I understand accordian lessons are cheap. This is truly sad and pathetic. All I experienced was webpages by a guy who does really terrible, out-of-focus pictures, see "anything" he wants in those terrible, out-of-focus pictures, and then names them creatively. Other then that.........I am sorry. Have you though about taking up a musical instrument?
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22nd August 2012, 08:24 AM	#140
Steve001 Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 549	Originally Posted by Javman That's not the deal..I don't imagine what I see...I know you all seen and heard from other's about what I do..I can asure you all what I do is real...God Bless Since you don't recognize your use of your imagination, you are certainly deluding yourself.
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22nd August 2012, 08:37 AM	#141
Ellen Travis Thinker Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 131	This is just ridiculous! Everyone knows that angels are very difficult to photograph as, to put it simply, they are just sooo up themselves. Swirling around in clouds all day long, gazing into their little angel mirrors, plucking harps and swishing their hair around as if the whole world was looking at them. Try to photograph one of them and they just thrust their hands into the lens and act like complete divas only with deep voices and a very choice selections of words let me tell you! If you're not careful they'll have your camera off you and no mistake. Seriously dude, come back when you have something a little more credible to share
Ellen Travis Thinker Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 131

22nd August 2012, 08:37 AM	#142
GeeMack Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Not Bandiagara Posts: 7,241	Originally Posted by Crossbow Well, if it means anything to you, I do think that your beliefs are quite sincere and deeply held, and that your various beliefs mean a great deal to you. It is possible. We've had at least a few cranks and nuts come through here who have claimed to see unusual things in pictures, and insisted that if we would look at those pictures long enough, we would see them too. Recently there was the guy who thinks he found Amelia Earhart's plane... Originally Posted by 321xamt Someone interested in studying the Amelia mystery will know what kind of aircraft to look for and how long it has been underwater. Jimfish, when you grabbed my .png of the airframe from my website, I'll bet you didn't take two minutes to study it. The plane has been underwater at 35 feet or so for 75 years and is not going to jump off the screen like a 3-d projection. It took me 6 months of image study to find it. It took him 6 months of "study" to find something he was looking for in a picture. And there's the classic crackpot who stares at heavily processed graphical data files from NASA satellites for a very, very long time and believes he sees a solid surface on the Sun. There are plenty of examples in the 9/11 threads where Truthers "see" something they consider glaringly obvious in a YouTube video, and admonish the rational people to watch it again... and again... and again, until we see it, too. These people seem certain that the only reason we don't see what they see is because we haven't looked long enough. Although the pseudo-astrophysics guy in particular is arguably not sane, many of them seem quite sincere. But as for Javman's pictures and claims, I don't think the beliefs are sincere at all. It appears to be an intentional attempt to deceive. Originally Posted by Resume So it's conscious fraud. Check. Looks that way, yep.

22nd August 2012, 09:30 AM	#143
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,261	If as represented, this stuff consists of pictures taken of a computer monitor (I'm not bothering to go back and check today) then I can think of no excuse for the behavior. The only possibility I see other than outright fraud is a level of stupidity and silliness so deep that sanity itself would be under question and the perpetrator would be far less damaged by accusations of wrongdoing.
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22nd August 2012, 09:38 AM	#144
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,450	But why take a picture of an image on a monitor?? Even if the images aren't his, why not save the image locally or failing that take a screenshot, then crop the image using any number of programs, freeware or otherwise??? There is/was a CTist in one of the JFK threads who fancied himself an image analysis expert who also used to post images photographed off of computer monitors. Very strange. Is this some experiment on Javman's part to test the credulity of the general public vs. that of skeptics? If so I'm not sure a public exhibition is always going to get accurate feedback. By that I mean that such a venue would probably tend to net both false positives (humoring the artist out of politeness) and false negatives (seeing the same things the artist claims to see but not necessarily wanting to say so in public). Some of which are included with the purchase of a digital camera.
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22nd August 2012, 09:47 AM	#145
Macgyver1968 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 3,681	Bahhh! He doesn't have the gift! I have the gift: Spirit wig attacking Mike's head: Spirit spears pierce the world's largest Compaq Presario desktop: Spirits of dead Blues men attack me at the Balcony Club: See?
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22nd August 2012, 09:47 AM	#146
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,514	Originally Posted by bruto If as represented, this stuff consists of pictures taken of a computer monitor (I'm not bothering to go back and check today) then I can think of no excuse for the behavior. The only possibility I see other than outright fraud is a level of stupidity and silliness so deep that sanity itself would be under question and the perpetrator would be far less damaged by accusations of wrongdoing. It suggests either a curious, idiosyncratic solution to a lack of technical knowledge (knows how to upload pictures but doesn't know how to crop a portion of a picture) or a determination to make utterly sure all original Exif data is removed. Neither makes much sense. I wonder if there's another explanation.

22nd August 2012, 10:06 AM	#147
JohnG Pedantic Bore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Abandon All Hope Posts: 4,450	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge It suggests either a curious, idiosyncratic solution to a lack of technical knowledge (knows how to upload pictures but doesn't know how to crop a portion of a picture) or a determination to make utterly sure all original Exif data is removed. Neither makes much sense. I wonder if there's another explanation. A screenshot would've taken care of that. Nice catch, BTW.
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22nd August 2012, 10:16 AM	#148
Craig B Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4,335	Originally Posted by shuttlt Javman, ... By the way, do you ever hear the spirits, or is it just the photographs? Naughty!
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22nd August 2012, 10:38 AM	#149
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,269	If these are photographs of someone else's photographs, then there may be some legal issues to consider. He may not even be able to post them here if he doesn't hold the copyright.

22nd August 2012, 10:50 AM	#150
Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 5,677	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge Then I looked at "Indian Spirit with two whitetail deer hanging" (third picture on the second page of his album) and all became clear: He's using his Kodak to take pictures of his computer monitor. That explains some pictures, but not all. And he doesn't necessarily try to hide the fact that he takes pictures from screens; see picture 93, on page 7 titled "Mayan Spirit'snear ear of Ghost Hunter's international investigator". Picture 127 "man moping floor" is also obviously taken from a screen. Library scene in a horror movie perhaps?
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22nd August 2012, 10:54 AM	#151
B.S Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 393	Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen ... A (careful!) Google has produced some interesting cloud penis images but none as good as the one I remember from this book... I have a cloud picture of one ... it's not the biggest and best, but isn't that always the way it is. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...822New0144.jpg .

22nd August 2012, 10:56 AM	#152
RenaissanceBiker Eats shoots and leaves. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 6,869	I don't think he's coming back. PeaceCrusader's record is safe.
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22nd August 2012, 10:59 AM	#153
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,209	Who is Helmut?
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22nd August 2012, 11:50 AM	#154
gabeygoat Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis, Oregon Posts: 672	Originally Posted by JohnG But why take a picture of an image on a monitor?? It adds one more layer of blurriness, oil stain rainbows, and reflections So, ineffect, this: Originally Posted by Javman ....there is NO TRICK Photography at all.... wasn't true. Either deliberately (lie) or not deliberately (has poor understanding of photography/tech)
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22nd August 2012, 12:20 PM	#155
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,303	Originally Posted by Macgyver1968 Spirits of dead Blues men attack me at the Balcony Club: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i4...a/Imgp0190.jpg See? It's true. Sloppy fingering enrages the spirit world.
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22nd August 2012, 12:23 PM	#156
deaman Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,781	Depends? Since the OP is unable to operate a camera, I wonder how long it will take him to figure out how to operate the "new one" he's been torn, by the people in this thread, who've been subjected to his ridiculous photo gallery?
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