Debunking Ancient Aliens

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 11:18 AM

This three hours video was released a couple of days ago. I've only started watching but it seems to be a pretty thorough (arguably unnecessary) debunking of every claim made by Ancient Aliens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuZmhb5yrsI

Ironically, despite the heavy skepticism and insight of the video above, the maker, Chris White, appears to believe in a biblical global flood. Go figure.

Aepervius · 30th September 2012, 12:02 PM

I am not 100% surprised. I have seen a lot of believer in one woo *excel* truly at debunking other "concurrent" woo.

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

Ironically, despite the heavy skepticism and insight of the video above, the maker, Chris White, appears to believe in a biblical global flood. Go figure.

Well there is infinitely more evidence for the flood than ancient aliens

AdMan · 30th September 2012, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Well there is infinitely more evidence for the flood than ancient aliens

How so?

Lanzy · 30th September 2012, 12:16 PM

Yep, something that really needed debunking.

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

How so?

Just so we clear the air - I was being tongue in cheek with the remark

But lets look at the evidence and my statement - There is a single reference to the Flood in the Bible. In all the texts writings etc there is zero mention of aliens, spaceships etc etc. So I contend 1 is infinitely larger than zero

But back to the documentary - I have to say these guys annoy me. I have always wondered how the Romans moved such big blocks. Oh they jacked them up built wheels around the ends and rolled them

Like thats it

Thats the big secret lol

ehcks · 30th September 2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

How so?

Floods actually happen.

AdMan · 30th September 2012, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Just so we clear the air - I was being tongue in cheek with the remark

Yeah, I figured it must have been a Poe.

I blame it on responding too quickly from my phone. Sorry for the derail.

Ancient aliens... uhm... yeah. Don't think I need to spend three hours learning how to debunk them.

Correa Neto · 30th September 2012, 03:40 PM

You know, the stooopid is strong with the people who believe in that crap.

Saw one episode where the guy with the weird hair claimed Excalibur used some alien DNA recognition technology. If you believe in such a thing, you are probably a lost case.

Stray Cat · 30th September 2012, 04:28 PM

Why only ancient aliens?

The modern ones don't have anything going for them either.

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

Yeah, I figured it must have been a Poe.

I blame it on responding too quickly from my phone. Sorry for the derail.

Ancient aliens... uhm... yeah. Don't think I need to spend three hours learning how to debunk them.

No need to explain - as to the doco, it is actually very well done. The guy gives a lot of interesting background to the particular cultures

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

Why only ancient aliens?

Why not? Should we just give up and quit challenging pseudoscience and woo?

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

No need to explain - as to the doco, it is actually very well done. The guy gives a lot of interesting background to the particular cultures

I've seen two hours of it and I'm extremely impressed. I think it would be very effective in swaying casual believers. It's got links to the specific segments so they don't even have to watch the whole thing.

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

Why not? Should we just give up and quit challenging pseudoscience and woo?

Well for mine the major difference is there is nothing expressly excluding aliens visiting the planet and potentially making contact. On the other hand it is demonstrable that aliens were not needed to erect Stone Henge

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

I've seen two hours of it and I'm extremely impressed. I think it would be very effective in swaying casual believers. It's got links to the specific segments so they don't even have to watch the whole thing.

I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Well for mine the major difference is there is nothing expressly excluding aliens visiting the planet and potentially making contact. On the other hand it is demonstrable that aliens were not needed to erect Stone Henge

I'm referring to challenging the dishonesty and often outright fraud perpetrated by the TV show Ancient Aliens. Just because the show is dumb and doesn't deserve any attention doesn't diminish the accomplishment of debunking it in such a concise and effective form. This video is excellent for addressing the pseudo-scientific and woo claims made on the show. I commend the creator of the video for committing himself to this project.

Except for 2:17:33: "Nookyooler"

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

Edit: For the record although I believe there is abundant life throughout the universe I don't believe that extra-terrestrials have ever visited Earth. Not because its impossible but because its improbable in the astronomical extreme (literally) and there is simply no credible evidence of it ever happening.

Chris L · 30th September 2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold

I can think of a number of careers it could have killed cold as well.

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold

This one for example:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=237442

RedRatSnake · 30th September 2012, 06:21 PM

I watched that program about how the pyramids were built i think it was a few years back, i thought that was an excellent explanation and has a lot of what looks to be solid evidence to back it up, as for the flood, i have always favored the theory about the black sea spilling over.

Tim

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

This one for example:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=237442

That was exactly the thread I was thinking about lol

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by RedRatSnake

I watched that program about how the pyramids were built i think it was a few years back, i thought that was an excellent explanation and has a lot of what looks to be solid evidence to back it up, as for the flood, i have always favored the theory about the black sea spilling over.

Tim

And just how elegant is that pyramid theory. It's simplicity is a real strength.

So how did they arrange a million blocks with such precision. Well ya see they didn't. They built the casing to mathematical precision and then filled in the hole

RedRatSnake · 30th September 2012, 07:09 PM

That is pretty good but there are the ramps inside that show wear and use for something.

I sure as hell don't think those skinny little undernourished gray dudes could help them out. lol

Tim

MG1962 · 30th September 2012, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by RedRatSnake

That is pretty good but there are the ramps inside that show wear and use for something.

I sure as hell don't think those skinny little undernourished gray dudes could help them out. lol

Tim

Levitation marks?

Stray Cat · 30th September 2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

Why not? Should we just give up and quit challenging pseudoscience and woo?

Is that really the only option you can think of?

Debunk the claim that aliens (ancient and modern) have visited this planet and you don't have to explain how they couldn't have built pyramids.

But thanks for your knee jerk reaction there... with the emphasis on 'jerk'.

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

Is that really the only option you can think of?

Debunk the claim that aliens (ancient and modern) have visited this planet and you don't have to explain how they couldn't have built pyramids.

But thanks for your knee jerk reaction there... with the emphasis on 'jerk'.

What are you talking about? The video I linked to is about a dreadful History Channel TV show called Ancient Aliens. It keenly and overwhelmingly debunks specific claims made on the show. Its a valid and worthy and admirable effort. Feel free to debunk or not debunk or partially debunk whatever you want.

RedRatSnake · 30th September 2012, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Stray Cat

Is that really the only option you can think of?

Debunk the claim that aliens (ancient and modern) have visited this planet and you don't have to explain how they couldn't have built pyramids.

But thanks for your knee jerk reaction there... with the emphasis on 'jerk'.

Suddenly ! i find myself in the Sarcasm thread ~~ LOL

Tim

AdMan · 30th September 2012, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Originally Posted by Scopedog

I've seen two hours of it and I'm extremely impressed. I think it would be very effective in swaying casual believers. It's got links to the specific segments so they don't even have to watch the whole thing.

I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold

While I didn't originally intend to, you guys convinced me it was worth taking a look.

I've watched about 1 1/2 hours and must say I agree that so far it is generally a very good, thorough and well-sourced documentary.

Not sure it would have "killed threads cold," but it certainly seems to be a useful tool in the ancient aliens debunking arsenal, especially for casual observers who aren't completely set in their wooish beliefs.

I have no idea if the filmmaker's motivations are in any way related to his religious beliefs, but as long as he keeps those out of the film, I don't have a problem.

I wonder if the Ancient Aliens show is going to respond at all... There should be some kind of campaign to have this aired on History Channel.

Scopedog · 30th September 2012, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by AdMan

I have no idea if the filmmaker's motivations are in any way related to his religious beliefs, but as long as he keeps those out of the film, I don't have a problem.

His flood beliefs are introduced in the section on Anunnaki near the end of the video. Its pretty transparent and silly. He has blinders on for the bible even though the flood evidence and theories are no better than the BS from Ancient Aliens. It reminds me of the criticisms from Christian figures regarding the coptic scroll that mentions Jesus having a wife. Every valid criticism of the Jesus' wife scroll (ie. the scroll is ancient fan fiction or an ancient political ploy) equally applies to every chapter of the bible.

AdMan · 30th September 2012, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

His flood beliefs are introduced in the section on Anunnaki near the end of the video. Its pretty transparent and silly. He has blinders on for the bible even though the flood evidence and theories are no better than the BS from Ancient Aliens.

Ah, that is too bad! I think it really damages his credibility--substituting one version of woo with another.

Can we get a version with the religious crap edited out?

23_Tauri · 1st October 2012, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

What are you talking about? The video I linked to is about a dreadful History Channel TV show called Ancient Aliens. It keenly and overwhelmingly debunks specific claims made on the show. Its a valid and worthy and admirable effort. Feel free to debunk or not debunk or partially debunk whatever you want.

I think it was was humour bypass to which Stray Cat was referring, Scopedog, and seeing your reaction it looks like he had a point.

kblood · 1st October 2012, 12:21 AM

fantalastic idea. Please do try. I challenge thee!

Scopedog · 1st October 2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by 23_Tauri

I think it was was humour bypass to which Stray Cat was referring, Scopedog, and seeing your reaction it looks like he had a point.

Oh, is that what it was was?

HotNostril · 1st October 2012, 10:46 PM

I DVR every episode of ancient aliens! I like to play a little game with myself when I can't sleep. I turn It on, get comfortable and close my eyes. Everytime someone says, "what if" , " perhaps" and "quite possibly" I reply ....in my head of course...." Monkeys will fly outta my butt"

It's more entertaining than counting sheep and I have never made it past 25 minutes without falling asleep

HotNostril · 1st October 2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Scopedog

Oh, is that what it was was?

I DVR every episode of ancient aliens! I like to play a little game with myself when I can't sleep. I turn It on, get comfortable and close my eyes. Everytime someone says, "what if" , " perhaps" and "quite possibly" I reply ....in my head of course...." Monkeys will fly outta my butt"

It's more entertaining than counting sheep and I have never made it past 25 minutes without falling asleep

Cheesy One · 2nd October 2012, 05:41 AM

Certainly a show that makes many large presumptions and sees aliens everywhere it looks. Upon realizing the backgrounds of some of the regular speakers on it didn't help it either.

Bikewer · 2nd October 2012, 07:05 AM

Makes you wonder.... Lets say the aliens live sufficiently far away that they can only visit every 3000 years or so....
Wouldn't they get all cheesed off about how we've been treating their keen stuff?

"Look what you did to our pyramids, you cretins! And you can hardly even read the Nazca lines any more. Boy, do something nice for primitives and what thanks do you get?"

CynicalSkeptic · 2nd October 2012, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by HotNostril

I DVR every episode of ancient aliens! I like to play a little game with myself when I can't sleep. I turn It on, get comfortable and close my eyes. Everytime someone says, "what if" , " perhaps" and "quite possibly" I reply ....in my head of course...." Monkeys will fly outta my butt"

It's more entertaining than counting sheep and I have never made it past 25 minutes without falling asleep

Originally Posted by HotNostril

I DVR every episode of ancient aliens! I like to play a little game with myself when I can't sleep. I turn It on, get comfortable and close my eyes. Everytime someone says, "what if" , " perhaps" and "quite possibly" I reply ....in my head of course...." Monkeys will fly outta my butt"

It's more entertaining than counting sheep and I have never made it past 25 minutes without falling asleep

Double post is evidence of aliens.

HotNostril · 2nd October 2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

Double post is evidence of aliens.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gK2BnYU_Ae...iens-thumb.jpg

Lol ! His hair is also evidence of aliens.

I Ratant · 2nd October 2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

Makes you wonder.... Lets say the aliens live sufficiently far away that they can only visit every 3000 years or so....
Wouldn't they get all cheesed off about how we've been treating their keen stuff?

"Look what you did to our pyramids, you cretins! And you can hardly even read the Nazca lines any more. Boy, do something nice for primitives and what thanks do you get?"

.
I have this theory that I have that is mine.
It's every 3600 years, when Nibaru makes its pass through the Solar System.
The Nibaruians fly here in their water-soluble space ships and land and build things like pyramids and henges, but find their space ships have dissolved in our wet atmosphere, so they're stranded here, and can't get back to Nibaru which is sailing out of the Solar System and beyond their reach.
As there is no debris from these space ships, it all having washed away... there's no way to disprove this theory I have that is mine.

MaGZ · 4th October 2012, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Correa Neto

You know, the stooopid is strong with the people who believe in that crap.

Saw one episode where the guy with the weird hair claimed Excalibur used some alien DNA recognition technology. If you believe in such a thing, you are probably a lost case.

I think the weird hair guy is milking this gig for all he can get.

30th September 2012, 11:18 AM	#1
Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Debunking Ancient Aliens This three hours video was released a couple of days ago. I've only started watching but it seems to be a pretty thorough (arguably unnecessary) debunking of every claim made by Ancient Aliens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuZmhb5yrsI Ironically, despite the heavy skepticism and insight of the video above, the maker, Chris White, appears to believe in a biblical global flood. Go figure.
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30th September 2012, 12:02 PM	#2
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AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,175	Originally Posted by MG1962 Well there is infinitely more evidence for the flood than ancient aliens How so?
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MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Scopedog Ironically, despite the heavy skepticism and insight of the video above, the maker, Chris White, appears to believe in a biblical global flood. Go figure. Well there is infinitely more evidence for the flood than ancient aliens

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AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,175	Originally Posted by MG1962 Just so we clear the air - I was being tongue in cheek with the remark Yeah, I figured it must have been a Poe. I blame it on responding too quickly from my phone. Sorry for the derail. Ancient aliens... uhm... yeah. Don't think I need to spend three hours learning how to debunk them.
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Correa Neto Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hunting rocks somewhere in Brazil Posts: 7,176	You know, the stooopid is strong with the people who believe in that crap. Saw one episode where the guy with the weird hair claimed Excalibur used some alien DNA recognition technology. If you believe in such a thing, you are probably a lost case.
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30th September 2012, 05:10 PM	#11
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by AdMan Yeah, I figured it must have been a Poe. I blame it on responding too quickly from my phone. Sorry for the derail. Ancient aliens... uhm... yeah. Don't think I need to spend three hours learning how to debunk them. No need to explain - as to the doco, it is actually very well done. The guy gives a lot of interesting background to the particular cultures

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Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by Stray Cat Why only ancient aliens? Why not? Should we just give up and quit challenging pseudoscience and woo?
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30th September 2012, 05:43 PM	#13
Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by MG1962 No need to explain - as to the doco, it is actually very well done. The guy gives a lot of interesting background to the particular cultures I've seen two hours of it and I'm extremely impressed. I think it would be very effective in swaying casual believers. It's got links to the specific segments so they don't even have to watch the whole thing.
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30th September 2012, 05:44 PM	#14
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Scopedog Why not? Should we just give up and quit challenging pseudoscience and woo? Well for mine the major difference is there is nothing expressly excluding aliens visiting the planet and potentially making contact. On the other hand it is demonstrable that aliens were not needed to erect Stone Henge

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MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Scopedog I've seen two hours of it and I'm extremely impressed. I think it would be very effective in swaying casual believers. It's got links to the specific segments so they don't even have to watch the whole thing. I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold

30th September 2012, 06:09 PM	#16
Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by MG1962 Well for mine the major difference is there is nothing expressly excluding aliens visiting the planet and potentially making contact. On the other hand it is demonstrable that aliens were not needed to erect Stone Henge I'm referring to challenging the dishonesty and often outright fraud perpetrated by the TV show Ancient Aliens. Just because the show is dumb and doesn't deserve any attention doesn't diminish the accomplishment of debunking it in such a concise and effective form. This video is excellent for addressing the pseudo-scientific and woo claims made on the show. I commend the creator of the video for committing himself to this project. Except for 2:17:33: "Nookyooler" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH Edit: For the record although I believe there is abundant life throughout the universe I don't believe that extra-terrestrials have ever visited Earth. Not because its impossible but because its improbable in the astronomical extreme (literally) and there is simply no credible evidence of it ever happening.
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Chris L Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,153	Originally Posted by MG1962 I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold I can think of a number of careers it could have killed cold as well.
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Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by MG1962 I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold This one for example: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=237442
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30th September 2012, 06:21 PM	#19
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	I watched that program about how the pyramids were built i think it was a few years back, i thought that was an excellent explanation and has a lot of what looks to be solid evidence to back it up, as for the flood, i have always favored the theory about the black sea spilling over. Tim

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MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by Scopedog This one for example: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=237442 That was exactly the thread I was thinking about lol

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MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by RedRatSnake I watched that program about how the pyramids were built i think it was a few years back, i thought that was an excellent explanation and has a lot of what looks to be solid evidence to back it up, as for the flood, i have always favored the theory about the black sea spilling over. Tim And just how elegant is that pyramid theory. It's simplicity is a real strength. So how did they arrange a million blocks with such precision. Well ya see they didn't. They built the casing to mathematical precision and then filled in the hole

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RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	That is pretty good but there are the ramps inside that show wear and use for something. I sure as hell don't think those skinny little undernourished gray dudes could help them out. lol Tim

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MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Originally Posted by RedRatSnake That is pretty good but there are the ramps inside that show wear and use for something. I sure as hell don't think those skinny little undernourished gray dudes could help them out. lol Tim Levitation marks?

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Stray Cat Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Land That Time Forgot Posts: 6,510	Originally Posted by Scopedog Why not? Should we just give up and quit challenging pseudoscience and woo? Is that really the only option you can think of? Debunk the claim that aliens (ancient and modern) have visited this planet and you don't have to explain how they couldn't have built pyramids. But thanks for your knee jerk reaction there... with the emphasis on 'jerk'.
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Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by Stray Cat Is that really the only option you can think of? Debunk the claim that aliens (ancient and modern) have visited this planet and you don't have to explain how they couldn't have built pyramids. But thanks for your knee jerk reaction there... with the emphasis on 'jerk'. What are you talking about? The video I linked to is about a dreadful History Channel TV show called Ancient Aliens. It keenly and overwhelmingly debunks specific claims made on the show. Its a valid and worthy and admirable effort. Feel free to debunk or not debunk or partially debunk whatever you want.
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30th September 2012, 09:17 PM	#26
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by Stray Cat Is that really the only option you can think of? Debunk the claim that aliens (ancient and modern) have visited this planet and you don't have to explain how they couldn't have built pyramids. But thanks for your knee jerk reaction there... with the emphasis on 'jerk'. Suddenly ! i find myself in the Sarcasm thread ~~ LOL Tim

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AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,175	Originally Posted by MG1962 Originally Posted by Scopedog I've seen two hours of it and I'm extremely impressed. I think it would be very effective in swaying casual believers. It's got links to the specific segments so they don't even have to watch the whole thing. I have it saved to favorites - I can think of many threads here where this doco would have killed the thread cold While I didn't originally intend to, you guys convinced me it was worth taking a look. I've watched about 1 1/2 hours and must say I agree that so far it is generally a very good, thorough and well-sourced documentary. Not sure it would have "killed threads cold," but it certainly seems to be a useful tool in the ancient aliens debunking arsenal, especially for casual observers who aren't completely set in their wooish beliefs. I have no idea if the filmmaker's motivations are in any way related to his religious beliefs, but as long as he keeps those out of the film, I don't have a problem. I wonder if the Ancient Aliens show is going to respond at all... There should be some kind of campaign to have this aired on History Channel.
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30th September 2012, 09:43 PM	#28
Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by AdMan I have no idea if the filmmaker's motivations are in any way related to his religious beliefs, but as long as he keeps those out of the film, I don't have a problem. His flood beliefs are introduced in the section on Anunnaki near the end of the video. Its pretty transparent and silly. He has blinders on for the bible even though the flood evidence and theories are no better than the BS from Ancient Aliens. It reminds me of the criticisms from Christian figures regarding the coptic scroll that mentions Jesus having a wife. Every valid criticism of the Jesus' wife scroll (ie. the scroll is ancient fan fiction or an ancient political ploy) equally applies to every chapter of the bible.
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30th September 2012, 11:02 PM	#29
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,175	Originally Posted by Scopedog His flood beliefs are introduced in the section on Anunnaki near the end of the video. Its pretty transparent and silly. He has blinders on for the bible even though the flood evidence and theories are no better than the BS from Ancient Aliens. Ah, that is too bad! I think it really damages his credibility--substituting one version of woo with another. Can we get a version with the religious crap edited out?
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23_Tauri Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 4,947	Originally Posted by Scopedog What are you talking about? The video I linked to is about a dreadful History Channel TV show called Ancient Aliens. It keenly and overwhelmingly debunks specific claims made on the show. Its a valid and worthy and admirable effort. Feel free to debunk or not debunk or partially debunk whatever you want. I think it was was humour bypass to which Stray Cat was referring, Scopedog, and seeing your reaction it looks like he had a point.
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1st October 2012, 12:21 AM	#31
kblood Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Aalborg Posts: 1,082	fantalastic idea. Please do try. I challenge thee!

1st October 2012, 06:59 PM	#32
Scopedog Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 283	Originally Posted by 23_Tauri I think it was was humour bypass to which Stray Cat was referring, Scopedog, and seeing your reaction it looks like he had a point. Oh, is that what it was was?
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1st October 2012, 10:46 PM	#33
HotNostril Student Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 42	I DVR every episode of ancient aliens! I like to play a little game with myself when I can't sleep. I turn It on, get comfortable and close my eyes. Everytime someone says, "what if" , " perhaps" and "quite possibly" I reply ....in my head of course...." Monkeys will fly outta my butt" It's more entertaining than counting sheep and I have never made it past 25 minutes without falling asleep
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1st October 2012, 10:52 PM	#34
HotNostril Student Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 42	Originally Posted by Scopedog Oh, is that what it was was? I DVR every episode of ancient aliens! I like to play a little game with myself when I can't sleep. I turn It on, get comfortable and close my eyes. Everytime someone says, "what if" , " perhaps" and "quite possibly" I reply ....in my head of course...." Monkeys will fly outta my butt" It's more entertaining than counting sheep and I have never made it past 25 minutes without falling asleep
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2nd October 2012, 05:41 AM	#35
Cheesy One Scholar Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: The Moon Posts: 75	Certainly a show that makes many large presumptions and sees aliens everywhere it looks. Upon realizing the backgrounds of some of the regular speakers on it didn't help it either.

2nd October 2012, 07:05 AM	#36
Bikewer Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 9,528	Makes you wonder.... Lets say the aliens live sufficiently far away that they can only visit every 3000 years or so.... Wouldn't they get all cheesed off about how we've been treating their keen stuff? "Look what you did to our pyramids, you cretins! And you can hardly even read the Nazca lines any more. Boy, do something nice for primitives and what thanks do you get?"