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Old 30th October 2012, 05:34 PM   #361
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F It's a fugged up role play where half-assed Freudian psychology, the myth of a past trauma forgotten and a very gullible woman dance for months or years and the truama, usually rape, is invented and believed often both by therapist and patient, and lives are ruined. Jenny Hill is only one case, but this crap goes on even as we speak in varying forms. Here's another recent one. This is a DID factory: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/288...rainwashed-her

This A-hole succeeded in getting a license in CA and opening up a center there. They suck insurance dollars in while engaging women in drama therapy to recall their pasts...it's sick, sick, sick. What's even sicker is, it's not stopped.
That is some ********** up $*** right there.

You're absolutely correct about it being a role playing game, though, only the real player is the theRapist. I think you'll find that these theRapists have Narcissistic personality disorder, and this is their method of both drawing attention to themselves and exerting absolute control over another human being. Jail is far too good for this sort of therapists.
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Old 30th October 2012, 05:37 PM   #362
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Hmm... both Byington's and Felicity's comments were voted into oblivion on Orphia's review. Could it be Satan?

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3JKBF7...wasThisHelpful
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Old 30th October 2012, 05:40 PM   #363
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Therapists aren't usually DID cases.
I've been a contact with the FMSF for about 15 years now so I have been pretty interested in every story I have come across where an MPD/DID patient then becomes a therapist who does MPD/DID therapy.
Sorry I can't give you names off the top of my head but there are plenty of former DID cases giving DID therapy.
Okay, one off the top of my head: the Executive Director of the FMSF Pam Freyd's daughter is one of them, giving DID therapy in Australia last I heard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Freyd
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I've been a contact with the FMSF for about 15 years now so I have been pretty interested in every story I have come across where an MPD/DID patient then becomes a therapist who does MPD/DID therapy.
Sorry I can't give you names off the top of my head but there are plenty of former DID cases giving DID therapy.
Okay, one off the top of my head: the Executive Director of the FMSF Pam Freyd's daughter is one of them, giving DID therapy in Australia last I heard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Freyd
You would know more than me, Roma. It's just that Felicity doesn't strike me as DID. If so, she's certainly emerged from her victim status, although she claims it left and right, to be an overall pain in the a$$. Still thinking on whether I should invest any time in her...hmm, hmm.
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Felicity may just be one of those kind of people who identify so strongly with another person's problems that she takes on their symptoms. Maybe Felicity just needs to get a life of her own, take up volunteering at an animal shelter, feed the hungry, anything, but just leave the mentally ill people alone. Posting web sites and comments etc. in the name of helping victims of child abuse probably gives Felicity a much needed feeling of importance and acceptance within the DID community, but she's not helping any real victims of child abuse, she is actually hurting their cause by making people cast doubts on their true stories and taking away the much needed resources for victims of child abuse. However, telling her this will only get you called a satan worshipping child molester and CIA conspirater.

Hey feel free to tell all of this to her, copy and paste it if you want, say hi to her from me
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I just voted up lots of anti Judi Byington reviews and comments at Amazon, and voted down lots of pro ones, and the overall rating of "Twenty Two Faces" went from three and a half stars to three stars.

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Old 30th October 2012, 11:22 PM   #367
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Also Orphia's review would make a nice top comment. if we can get enough votes in there. http://www.amazon.com/review/R3JKBF7...wasThisHelpful
Thanks, Altus! Good plan.

Right now, the most "helpful" critical review is this one:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R112O9K...=&nodeID=&tag=

37 of 58 people found the following review helpful
Interesting book - had to keep reading, September 8, 2012
By Alice
This review is from: Twenty-Two Faces (Perfect Paperback)
"I read this book almost nonstop. I'm not sure of all these things one way or the other, though the detail and story were amazing. The descriptions of her growing up were vivid and gave a full picture of her life. I recommend this book to those looking for an exciting read."


14 of 24 people found my review helpful so far.
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Both the guys I do Process.org with are performers here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPen-yczBnQ
Notice the same symbol we use for the site flagrantly displayed throughout. With the stupid tenuous links they try to make to me, I'm surprised nobody has gone about dissecting OhGr or Skinny Puppy (same fellows, different act) lyrics and trying to tie them back to my presumed "agenda".
Oh Noes! I bought a couple of Psychic TV records back in the Eighties.

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My complaint has been filed.
Good work, Doug!
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I've done a bit of up and down-voting at Amazon, which I hope is helpful.

However, I used to be in Psychic TV, so this may count against us.
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I've done a bit of up and down-voting at Amazon, which I hope is helpful.
However, I used to be in Psychic TV, so this may count against us.
Thanks! Where do you see these votes going?
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Thanks! Where do you see these votes going?
Nowhere at all.

Look, this voting nonsense shouldn't persuade people. If they're interested in the book, they should read some positive and some negative reviews. Perhaps these reviews will be persuasive, but the meta-voting on reviews is just so much fluff.

Frankly, it strikes me that this strategy of encouraging others to vote down certain reviews and up the "good" ones is just so much gaming the system. Can we not at least pretend that ideas should win or lose in the marketplace according to their merit, and not which side they're on? I know deep down that this is what everyone here believes (and maybe I'm simply more naive than most), but let's act on that by encouraging others, perhaps, to judge each review on its merits, independently of any ideological filter.

I'm sure that the net result would be the same, more or less, but we would be the intellectually cleaner for it.
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Well, well, as of this writing, Orphia's review is the "most helpful" critical review. Folks reading for the first time, check it out.

http://www.amazon.com/Twenty-Two-Fac...owViewpoints=1

Any "journalist" doing 5 minutes of research on Judy's book, might think twice now and not just takes Judy's lies as truth. As several Utah newspapers, and an NPR and ABC affiliate have done.

JREF...the BS stops here! Great work!
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Nowhere at all.

Look, this voting nonsense shouldn't persuade people. If they're interested in the book, they should read some positive and some negative reviews. Perhaps these reviews will be persuasive, but the meta-voting on reviews is just so much fluff.

Frankly, it strikes me that this strategy of encouraging others to vote down certain reviews and up the "good" ones is just so much gaming the system. Can we not at least pretend that ideas should win or lose in the marketplace according to their merit, and not which side they're on? I know deep down that this is what everyone here believes (and maybe I'm simply more naive than most), but let's act on that by encouraging others, perhaps, to judge each review on its merits, independently of any ideological filter.

I'm sure that the net result would be the same, more or less, but we would be the intellectually cleaner for it.
Did you read the review? Byington's whole book is gaming the system...and she's gotten quite far: NPR, ABC, major Utah newspapers. Orphia got an statement from the AG's office in Utah that is very relevant to the book.

In the day when a journalist's only research might be clicking an Amazon review, I hardly think calling BS in a book in a review is out of the question. Merely putting the facts ahead of the fiction here.
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I've done a bit of up and down-voting at Amazon, which I hope is helpful.

However, I used to be in Psychic TV, so this may count against us.
Somewhere in me I think there is a long philosophical tirade brewing about the independent intellectual's -- and avant explorer's -- cultural shift from alternative nonsenses in opposition to institutional religions, to raw rationalism... though I'm betting Genesis won't be joining at the JREF forum any time soon?
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I'd like to read that if you ever get round to writing it.

(And, no, I don't think so.)
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Nowhere at all.

Look, this voting nonsense shouldn't persuade people. If they're interested in the book, they should read some positive and some negative reviews. Perhaps these reviews will be persuasive, but the meta-voting on reviews is just so much fluff.

Frankly, it strikes me that this strategy of encouraging others to vote down certain reviews and up the "good" ones is just so much gaming the system. Can we not at least pretend that ideas should win or lose in the marketplace according to their merit, and not which side they're on? I know deep down that this is what everyone here believes (and maybe I'm simply more naive than most), but let's act on that by encouraging others, perhaps, to judge each review on its merits, independently of any ideological filter.

I'm sure that the net result would be the same, more or less, but we would be the intellectually cleaner for it.
Pfft. Truth has a bias. Stand up for it, or shut up. No offense.
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Frankly, it strikes me that this strategy of encouraging others to vote down certain reviews and up the "good" ones is just so much gaming the system.
It sure is.

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Can we not at least pretend that ideas should win or lose in the marketplace according to their merit, and not which side they're on?
We can pretend that's how it should be, but it would be foolish to pretend that's how it is.
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My thoughts are sort of forming here, and I'm finding myself wanting to get them down in writing, the gist of it being a response to Kimberly Nelson, and the entire news media in general, in regards to honest and responsible journalism.

Imagine you put up a shingle and called yourself a Doctor. Not just any sort of Doctor, but a specialist in some specific disease. It's a disease that has no definite cure, and no clear prognosis, but it can cause death, potentially. Now say further that you have zero qualifications except that you look good in a lab coat and you have a pretty good memory of what you learned in your high school biology class several years back.

Sufferers of this illness will come to your office, you'll charge a fee for your services, and you'll prescribe medicines that you sell to your suffering patients. These medicines consist of m&ms with the "m"s rubbed off.

Because of the nature of the disease, some patients will see improvement, some won't, some will die, but they'll all be a bit poorer for having been paying you for make believe services for the duration of their treatment.

Now your brother confronts you "How can you sell candy and medical services to sick people like that? You're stealing from them!"

"Pfft" you say, "there's no cure for what they have, they'll get better or worse regardless of what I do, I just sell them the illusion of doing something to improve their health. They wouldn't come to me if they couldn't afford it. I'm not really hurting anyone"

When you confront a typical journalist about the his or her shoddy work and mercenary sensationalism, they respond "Hey, news has never been about good reporting. We are in the business of selling advertising, we need readership/viewership to sell that, so we report stories that generate attention. We give people what they want."

The trouble is, when people turn to the news, just like when they go to a Doctor, they have an expectation that due diligence has been done (or is being done) on their behalf. This is actually what they are paying for. This is why I don't ask my neighbor what to do about my son's terrible cough and bloody sputum, this is why I don't ask my neighbor about what's happening in the world outside of local gossip.

It is the same crime, selling snake oil as medicine and selling unchecked accusations, claims, and stories as fact.
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I've done a bit of up and down-voting at Amazon, which I hope is helpful.

However, I used to be in Psychic TV, so this may count against us.
This deserves its own thread in HLA!
So many questions...
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Did they pull comments again on ABC?

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc...dutF2O1Bg.cspx

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Did they pull comments again on ABC?
Looks like
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My thoughts are sort of forming here, and I'm finding myself wanting to get them down in writing, the gist of it being a response to Kimberly Nelson, and the entire news media in general, in regards to honest and responsible journalism.
This is a very important topic to me, and if you do decide to cohere a piece, I'd love to post it on Dysgenics.com if you'd like.

One thing that continuously irritates me about journalism is that the old school has simply and adamantly -- even angrily -- refused to enter the 21st century. I go sometimes to journalistic symposiums and lectures and listen to these embittered old dinosaurs bemoaning the fact that now any blogger is a journalist. But that's not technology's fault. It's THEIR fault as journalists. It's their fault that they are no better than bloggers, or that they haven't been able to demonstrate how they are better. They run their reports, they pick and chose their quotes to fit their story, and they carry on as though print space is still a hard commodity. It's not. We now have the ability, online, to list all of our sources. We can footnote, and we can leave full back-up. That should be the norm. With the advent of the internet, the bar should have been raised, not lowered. Real journalistic reports should look more like academic papers now -- maybe not in written style, but certainly in citation. That pathetic piece of a recording the incompetent Ms. Nelson put into her report should have had a link online to the full recording. We shouldn't be left to take it on faith that whatever light they were babbling about actually had anything to do with Byington's ridiculous story. Put together your clips for the purposes of a report, but put the full outtake online. I would like to know what kinds of idiotic insane ramblings Byington may well have went off on that were left on the editing room floor? I wonder how coherent and lucid Jenny Hill actually appeared in a full dialogue. My feeling is that the real story was quite obvious to Kimberly Nelson and her flunkies -- it just wasn't the story they were determined to tell.
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She even misspelled "altar."
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Kimberly Nelson announced her 22 Faces report on Facebook, and at least for the moment, the comments are open to anyone (i.e. you don't have to "like" her page to leave a comment).

https://www.facebook.com/abc4k.nelson?filter=1

Might not be a bad idea to leave her a brief comment letting her know how we feel about her integrity as a journalist. If the comments stay respectful, maybe she'll even offer a response, although I suspect she'll just delete them without comment the next time she gets around to checking the page.
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Doug, do you know anything about Ellen Lacter? She seems pretty big in the DID therapy world. I see Byington slinging her name around on the Facebook discussion.
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Whoever Joan Fitzpatrick is, She's awesome!

(for the Munchausen remark)
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Felicity Lee "liked her own comment. It's like she's giving herself a high five! Perhaps she forgot that she hadn't logged out and then logged back in in her other identity.
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Doug, do you know anything about Ellen Lacter? She seems pretty big in the DID therapy world. I see Byington slinging her name around on the Facebook discussion.
Yes. Lacter is a "ritual abuse" "expert", which you can be too if you swallow your dignity. She and I go way back to her trying to defend S.M.A.R.T. after I wrote my report on their conference: http://www.process.org/discept/2009/...nference-2009/

I say "defend", but it was really no different from the trash you see on Amazon now, where your direct criticisms are completely ignored in a deluge of rhetoric and appeals to the sanctity of belief. Ellen Lacter and Valerie Sinason, a notorious British panic monger, did a presentation for the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation this year. Their topic? Ritual Abuse, naturally. Shows you what I've been trying to make people understand for years: the ISSTD is BS. A disgrace to the field of Psychology. Ellen Lacter doesn't strike me as at all bright -- like Byington. Very low-watt bulbs from what I gather by their written remarks and beliefs in general. It was on Lacter's site that I found the silly line “Pray a perimeter of protection against everything of witchcraft”.
"Witch hunter" here clearly isn't a pejorative label. It's a literal description.
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I've done a bit of up and down-voting at Amazon, which I hope is helpful.

However, I used to be in Psychic TV, so this may count against us.
Woot, and yay!

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Nowhere at all.

Look, this voting nonsense shouldn't persuade people. If they're interested in the book, they should read some positive and some negative reviews. Perhaps these reviews will be persuasive, but the meta-voting on reviews is just so much fluff.

Frankly, it strikes me that this strategy of encouraging others to vote down certain reviews and up the "good" ones is just so much gaming the system. Can we not at least pretend that ideas should win or lose in the marketplace according to their merit, and not which side they're on? I know deep down that this is what everyone here believes (and maybe I'm simply more naive than most), but let's act on that by encouraging others, perhaps, to judge each review on its merits, independently of any ideological filter.

I'm sure that the net result would be the same, more or less, but we would be the intellectually cleaner for it.
To mangle Mark Twain, the truth needs help getting its boots on.
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Furthermore, we skeptics don't fall for appeals to popularity, but a vast amount of people do. We're just giving them a push towards the facts.
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Amazon must have taken some type of action against Felicity's sock-puppeting. I think only 1 review of hers remains up under the name of BlueMoon!
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Old 31st October 2012, 03:36 PM   #392
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It's a fugged up role play where half-assed Freudian psychology, the myth of a past trauma forgotten and a very gullible woman dance for months or years and the truama, usually rape, is invented and believed often both by therapist and patient, and lives are ruined. Jenny Hill is only one case, but this crap goes on even as we speak in varying forms. Here's another recent one. This is a DID factory: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/288...rainwashed-her

This A-hole succeeded in getting a license in CA and opening up a center there. They suck insurance dollars in while engaging women in drama therapy to recall their pasts...it's sick, sick, sick. What's even more sick is, it's not stopped.
My sincere apologies to Roma, Stormy and Jennette. I should have never posted what I did above. It's not "very gullible" women who get ensnared, it's vulnerable women...a temporary vulnerability (depression, divorce, illness) can be all it takes to start a woman--it usually is women--down this path. Drugs, drama therapy, social isolation and a determined "therapist" can be a mix for some pretty awful mind-phuking. As Doug mentioned, the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation---Judy praises them up and down while Colin Ross is a past president and very active---is the biggest breeder I know of of this harmful belief system. Pseudoscience is their name...sucking women and insurance dollars in is their game. Byington totally ignores the incidence of high-profile malpractice suits among the ISSTD membership (using two of its members/past presidents in her blurb endorsements) one of the latest being the one cited above which has morphed into three lawsuits by three different women. http://www.isst-d.org/ http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/h...efbff5cf4.html
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Kimberly Nelson announced her 22 Faces report on Facebook, and at least for the moment, the comments are open to anyone (i.e. you don't have to "like" her page to leave a comment).

https://www.facebook.com/abc4k.nelson?filter=1

Might not be a bad idea to leave her a brief comment letting her know how we feel about her integrity as a journalist. If the comments stay respectful, maybe she'll even offer a response, although I suspect she'll just delete them without comment the next time she gets around to checking the page.
Very impressive and factual series of comments on the page. Felicity has taken to calling folks "skeptics". Looks like she might have found the site. Hi, Felicity. ;-) Why don't you try a local skeptic meeting in WA? Bring friends. Get those women out of the DID narrative and thinking for themselves. It's so healthy. Whoops, that would totally suck for the future of your business wouldn't it, if women thought for themselves rather than turning to the DID narrative to explain away everything, now wouldn't it? In the words of Emily Latilla, "Nevermind."
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I'm glad we've been focusing on Amazon.

When you start Googling "Judy Byington" and click on the first suggestion, this:



you get this page of results:



and Amazon is the number one result of the search. Higher than Judy's site!

Yay for Amazon market share, and yay for all you lot and putting your skepticism and rational thinking up there!

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Judy Byington's Vanity Publisher commenting as her under Orphia's comments???

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3JKBF7...wasThisHelpful

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Scott Sommers and Douglas Misicko uses the alias Doug Mesner through blogs on radiofreesatan.com, atheistnexus.org and process.org to encourage friends to give 22 Faces one star ratings on Amazon and Barnes & Noble, plus write false, misleading and liable personal attacks on Judy Byington in deliberate attempts to discredit her.
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Tate publishing has a pony in this game. They are a vanity "Christian" publisher that soaks people for $4,000 to enter a publishing contract with them. Ryan Tate, their president, threatens everyone with libel and lawsuits....even his own employees. Wondering if he got some minion to post this under Byington's account...which they could have set up for her on Amazon. They most likely have access to her page as videos by them and schedules are being updated on a regular basis. I hardly think Byington is doing this herself.

The minion forgot to post as Byington. LOL, LOL, LOL. Judy would be saying "buy MY book" and she never passes up a chance to say "I". (Don't worry Tate, if you change/delete it, I got a nice fat screen shot.)

If we can get Amazon on Tate's arse, for sockpuppeting, (notice to votes from nowhere) this would be such a win...and Doug, another whole journalistic foray into the absurd of belief systems. (God clearly is on Ryan Tate's side.) I am sure plenty of Tate employees would love to talk to you. He's got quite the reputation among his employees and in the publishing industry.

For a great read on Ryan Tate's ethics, take a peek. http://journalrecord.com/2012/05/31/...-general-news/

Play the MP3 at the top to see how low this Ryan Tate man will go...and notice how Jesus is on Ryan's side the entire time! This unfolding story of the debunking of Judy Byington is starting to rival most fiction.
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What on earth is a "liable personal attack"?

Does she mean "libellous"?

This is a professional writer allegedly posting this gibberish, isn't it?
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The frequency of grammatical and spelling errors from an alleged author is kinda funny.

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ETA - Matthew Best - jinx, buy me a Coke.
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No way. I was here first. You buy me a Coke!
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I guess Christian vanity publishers have standards as high or higher than Christian diploma mills.
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The frequency of grammatical and spelling errors from an alleged author is kinda funny.



ETA - Matthew Best - jinx, buy me a Coke.
Could be someone at Tate wiggin' out...look how many times he/she posted. http://www.amazon.com/review/R3JKBF7...wasThisHelpful

Mr. Tate be known to wig @ The Wiggers Ball every now and then. Listen to this tirade.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/video...ng-25-16521269
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