The prophecies of Ama

[Astreja]

Originally Posted by timhau

Actually, that seems to refer to the common cold.

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

Hepatitis C also fits the bill.

Not Hep C -- It can actually be cured now in many patients using combination therapy (Usually Interferon, Ribavirin and occasionally a third agent).

Common cold is still not curable. It qualifies as "past art," disease-wise (i.e. it existed long, long before the pseudo-prophesy and Maria Alvaran can't claim credit for "predicting" it.)

As for Aristeo's silly revisionist linguistics, two can play that game.

Perhaps when Maria said "Ama" she intended it to be an acronym for "Astreja, Arthwollipot, (Blue) Mountain, AdMan, Akuma Tennou and Agatha," and the lot of us should file a class action lawsuit for being associated with false prophesies.

Or perhaps she actually meant Throatwobbler Mangrove. Or Harry Potter. Or Batman.

And perhaps that tragic recent typhoon in the Philippines is the One True God retaliatating for lying women under bedsheets uttering false prophesies in its name -- But I certainly hope not. I expect better from gods, One True or otherwise.

Bottom line: Once the goalposts start moving and the post hoc bullseyes start being drawn, the word "prophesy" is rendered meaningless.

[PeaceCrusader]

Originally Posted by pakeha

Hi, PC.


I think your break down of the meaning of that 'word' is one of the lamest I've ever seen.
A mix of English and bad latin and a lot of wishful thinking.

I've only seen one worse.
A new age pyramid seller tried to convince me the word 'pyramid' meant 'the fire within'.
No, I didn't laugh in his face, I just smiled, nodded my head and walked away.

But back to PC.
Your medium is shown to be way wrong on every point she'd spoken of.
Remember the Pontius Pilate golem?
Angelina Imden?

Why even bring up this ridiculous claim and try to fit it to AIDS?

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

Pontius Pilate was a "golem". Jesus Christ created him from clay called “pila” similar to Him, and given life, when He was 12 years old, that is why he was called “Pilate” or in Filipino, “Pilato”. According to Ama, “Pilato” is “pila ito” or “this is pila”. Pila is a type of clay in the Philippines used to make earthenware. There is a town in Laguna province called Pila. Please read http://aristean.org/wp085.htm titled “Taken from the Jews”.

It is only the true God that can give life, eternal life. You and me are given life by the true God, and not by our parents because they are just soil, believe it or not.

Ama is the one who related the 19 prophecies including GOTACURAL.

[AdMan]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

Pontius Pilate was a "golem". Jesus Christ created him from clay called “pila” similar to Him, and given life, when He was 12 years old, that is why he was called “Pilate” or in Filipino, “Pilato”. According to Ama, “Pilato” is “pila ito” or “this is pila”. Pila is a type of clay in the Philippines used to make earthenware. There is a town in Laguna province called Pila. Please read http://aristean.org/wp085.htm titled “Taken from the Jews”.

It is only the true God that can give life, eternal life. You and me are given life by the true God, and not by our parents because they are just soil, believe it or not.

Ama is the one who related the 19 prophecies including GOTACURAL.

Oh, give it up, "Peace" Crusader. Nobody's buying your or the hag's nonsense. Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing over and over again, that people are going to believe it?

Try to THINK CRITICALLY for once. Those prophecies are either so vague that they are meaningless, or they did not come true. Ka Apaz is a fraud.

And the golem story? That's something that maybe a six-year-old child might believe, when she believed in Santa Claus.

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

Pontius Pilate was a "golem". Jesus Christ created him from clay called “pila” similar to Him, and given life, when He was 12 years old, that is why he was called “Pilate” or in Filipino, “Pilato”. According to Ama, “Pilato” is “pila ito” or “this is pila”. Pila is a type of clay in the Philippines used to make earthenware. There is a town in Laguna province called Pila. Please read http://aristean.org/wp085.htm titled “Taken from the Jews”.

It is only the true God that can give life, eternal life. You and me are given life by the true God, and not by our parents because they are just soil, believe it or not.

Ama is the one who related the 19 prophecies including GOTACURAL.

Not, No imaginary being is responsible for my life.

Also which god?

[Meadmaker]

Off topic, but a personal plea. Peace Crusader, please come back to the "crucifixion" thread. I was waiting with baited breath for your calendar explanations for Jewish fasting.

[Akuma Tennou]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

I'd take the guess that pakeha knows exactly what a golem is (or is not).

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Pontius Pilate was a "golem". Jesus Christ created him from clay called “pila” similar to Him, and given life, when He was 12 years old, that is why he was called “Pilate” or in Filipino, “Pilato”. According to Ama, “Pilato” is “pila ito” or “this is pila”. Pila is a type of clay in the Philippines used to make earthenware. There is a town in Laguna province called Pila. Please read http://aristean.org/wp085.htm titled “Taken from the Jews”.

Pilate had been given a Filipino name? Can you prove it, or that's merely a coincidence?

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

It is only the true God that can give life, eternal life. You and me are given life by the true God, and not by our parents because they are just soil, believe it or not.

Oh, that Jesus god never mentioned ever in the OT. Yeah, I get it.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Ama is the one who related the 19 prophecies including GOTACURAL.

19 prophecies, 19 fails. I see a pattern here.

[fromdownunder]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Ama is the one who related the 19 prophecies including GOTACURAL.

This would be the same Ama who predicted that World War III would break out before the London Olympics? And you would be the same PC who promised to strop believing in Ama if that particular and specific prophesy did not come through?

Well, that makes her wrong, and you a liar.

Norm

[Astreja]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

Did you not get the "in Jewish legend" bit, Aristeo? Golems are mythical. They are storybook creatures, not real entities.

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Pontius Pilate was a "golem".

Nonsense. Pontius Pilate was a man.

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It is only the true God that can give life, eternal life. You and me are given life by the true God, and not by our parents because they are just soil, believe it or not.

I believe the above statement to be absolutely false. I believe that all life (including the lives of any and all gods that might exist) arises from natural and completely mindless chemical processes.

I also believe that "eternal life" is an impossibility. Moreover, I don't actually want eternal life, and I certainly do not want to spend eternity in the presence of the god that you believe in.

Stop repeating superstitious nonsense, Aristeo. Just stop it. The only reason I'm not laughing at you right now is that I'm appalled by your gullibility and infuriated by your inability to engage in genuine dialogue.

I don't even pity you any more.

[pakeha]

Hi, PC.
A golem is precisely what you claimed Pontius Pilate was.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

Pontius Pilate was a "golem". Jesus Christ created him from clay called “pila” similar to Him, and given life, when He was 12 years old, that is why he was called “Pilate” or in Filipino, “Pilato”. ...
Ama is the one who related the 19 prophecies including GOTACURAL.

Created from clay, brought to life by magic.
Your medium added some additional details, such as the golem was adopted by Tiberius Caesar and actually 'grew' from a 12 year old to manhood.
Very imaginative.
But imaginary, of course.

Who communicated the GOTACURAL nonsense was a medium claiming to channel a spirit. A practise forbidden in Christianity, PC.

Originally Posted by Akuma Tennou

I'd take the guess that pakeha knows exactly what a golem is (or is not). ...

Golems are an interesting subject and I was amused to see PC's medium claimed Pontius Pilate was one such.

Originally Posted by Astreja

Did you not get the "in Jewish legend" bit, Aristeo? Golems are mythical. They are storybook creatures, not real entities. ...

It's impressive how mediumship can take in people to the point they believe this sort of thing, isn't it?
Mediumship is a dangerous scam, IMO.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Pontius Pilate was a "golem". Jesus Christ created him from clay called “pila” similar to Him, and given life, when He was 12 years old, that is why he was called “Pilate” or in Filipino, “Pilato”. According to Ama, “Pilato” is “pila ito” or “this is pila”. Pila is a type of clay in the Philippines used to make earthenware. There is a town in Laguna province called Pila.

Christ was living in 1st century Palestine. He had no access to clay from the Philippines.

Fail.

[pakeha]

But, mojo, are you saying the medium is really stretching it with the idea Pontius Pilate had a Tagalog^WP name?

Especially since there's no evidence the language existed in the 1st century CE?

[sleepy_lioness]

Yeah, apart from that the story's totally plausible.

[timhau]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Christ was living in 1st century Palestine. He had no access to clay from the Philippines.

Now you're confusing me. Who is this Clay from the Philippines?

[PeaceCrusader]

Originally Posted by devnull

PC, let's say I believe everything you say - gotacural is aids, the war is coming etc etc.

So what? What is the next step, in your mind?

If you believe in what the spirit of Ama says, then change your unbelief in God to belief in the only true God who created you and who gave life to you. Change your ways. If before you are haughty, be humble. If before you belittle people, change that for we are all equal in the sight of God. Read the Holy Bible.

I cannot save you. Religion cannot save you. Salvation to eternal life in Heaven can only be achieved by one’s efforts – his belief in the only true God and his works.

[PeaceCrusader]

Originally Posted by Astreja

Did you not get the "in Jewish legend" bit, Aristeo? Golems are mythical. They are storybook creatures, not real entities.


Nonsense. Pontius Pilate was a man.


I believe the above statement to be absolutely false. I believe that all life (including the lives of any and all gods that might exist) arises from natural and completely mindless chemical processes.

I also believe that "eternal life" is an impossibility. Moreover, I don't actually want eternal life, and I certainly do not want to spend eternity in the presence of the god that you believe in.

Stop repeating superstitious nonsense, Aristeo. Just stop it. The only reason I'm not laughing at you right now is that I'm appalled by your gullibility and infuriated by your inability to engage in genuine dialogue.

I don't even pity you any more.

Yes, “(in Jewish legend)” is part of the definition from The World Book Dictionary. I did not know that “golem” is a Jewish legend. It was mentioned by pakeha and since it was the first time that I heard the word, I looked it up in the dictionary. In my previous post, I quoted what the dictionary says.

When did this legend start? Before Pontius Pilate was created or after he was created? Source of the legend? Who was the legend referring to?

I also did not know before that Pontius Pilate was created in the image of Jesus until I heard what Ama said regarding the going of the Holy Family to Jerusalem when He was 12 years old. That is why Ama asked which is usually asked by older people, “Who was crucified: Jesus or Pontius Pilate?” Because they looked exactly similar.

I have also mentioned in “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?” thread that when Pontius Pilate died and was buried, Ama, the one who gave the 19 prophecies, said that it flooded and the earth shook that is why they threw one of the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus to the sea and it calmed down. The nail floated and found its way to Paris. These are the additional info regarding Pontius Pilate.

What I am relating to you are what I heard from Ama. It is up to you whether you will believe Him or not.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

If you believe in what the spirit of Ama says, then change your unbelief in God to belief in the only true God who created you and who gave life to you. Change your ways.

We should believe in God if the 2012 London Olympics were cancelled because of the outbreak of World War III?

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Read the Holy Bible.

What should we do about all the instances in which the Holy Bible contradicts what the "spirit of Ama" says?

[Multivac]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

What is a golem? The World Book Dictionary defines golem as “(in Jewish legend), an artificially constructed human being, given life by magic rites.”

I've hilighted the important part. It is a legend, a myth, a fable, a made up story. It is fictional.

[Multivac]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

If you believe in what the spirit of Ama says, then change your unbelief in God to belief in the only true God who created you and who gave life to you.

I know exactly who gave me life, and neither of them was a god.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Change your ways. If before you are haughty, be humble.

Never been haughty, although I have been naughty.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

If before you belittle people, change that for we are all equal in the sight of God.

I try not to belittle people, but I am only human. You are right, we are all equal in the non-existent eyes of a non-existent god.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Read the Holy Bible.

I have read the bible in the past, but have no intention of rereading it as there are thousand of other works of fiction that are more entertaining and better written.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

I cannot save you. Religion cannot save you. Salvation to eternal life in Heaven can only be achieved by one’s efforts – his belief in the only true God and his works.

I don't need to be saved, thankyou, and heaven - if it existed - sounds like a very dull place to me.

[Astreja]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

I did not know that “golem” is a Jewish legend.

And yet you quoted a dictionary definition that clearly states that it is a legend. Don't you actually read what you post?

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When did this legend start? Before Pontius Pilate was created or after he was created? Source of the legend? Who was the legend referring to?

A legend is a fictional story and may not refer to anything in the real world.

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I also did not know before that Pontius Pilate was created in the image of Jesus until I heard what Ama said...

"Ama" is a fictional creation of the lying medium and fraud artist Maria Alvaran. Every prediction that Maria has given so far has been debunked as nonsense.

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I have also mentioned in “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?” thread that when Pontius Pilate died and was buried, Ama, the one who gave the 19 prophecies, said that it flooded and the earth shook that is why they threw one of the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus to the sea and it calmed down.

Complete and utter mythological nonsense.

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What I am relating to you are what I heard from Ama. It is up to you whether you will believe Him or not.

How many times, Aristeo, must I tell you that I reject the "Ama" lies of Maria Alvaran with every fiber of My being, and reject unconditionally and for all time the bogus "salvation" and "heaven" of your hypothetical god? You want us to believe you, but you disrespect our disbelief.

I have reported you to the Moderators, and will continue to do so until you stop preaching about "Ama" and stop repeating the lies of Maria Alvaran.

[X]

PeaceCrusader:

Given the numerous failed prophecies of Ama (especially the one about the 2012 Olympics not taking place due to WWIII, which you yourself said your faith in Ama would hinge upon), why do you continue to accept her claims uncritically?

Why do you unquestioningly accept the stories she spins about Pilate being a Hispanic name (in the middle east 2,00 years ago!) meaning created from a certain clay (which no one in the region had access to) and how Pilate was created by Jesus and looked like Jesus, and floating nails finding their way to Paris, and 3 nails somehow winding up in 4 or 5 places at the same time?

It has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread that Amas prophecies are WRONG!

It has been shown to you that all the wild tales she spins are no only unsupported by the Bible, but are physically, historically and logistically impossible.

Ama is a con artist and a fraud. She has conned you. Whatever time and money you've invested in her, it is time to let it go. I realize you may feel, having devoted so much time and energy to following Ama, that leaving means admitting that your efforts were wasted. At this stage, though, it's better to admit to wasting time than to continue to waste your life on this rubbish.

Please, PeaceCrusader. Leave the Ama cult. She hasn't told you one single thing that is true, and several things provable untrue. It's time to let go.

[Astreja]

Originally Posted by X

PeaceCrusader: Ama is a con artist and a fraud. She has conned you. Whatever time and money you've invested in her, it is time to let it go. I realize you may feel, having devoted so much time and energy to following Ama, that leaving means admitting that your efforts were wasted. At this stage, though, it's better to admit to wasting time than to continue to waste your life on this rubbish.

Thank you for that, X. Aristeo, here's a real-life analogy about why it's a bad idea to continue wasting time when you have a chance to make a change for the better.

I was in a relationship for 26 years, and finally walked out in May 2000.

Do I regret the years I wasted there? Yes. I also lost tens of thousands of dollars when I gave up 50% of the value of a completely paid-off house as part of the divorce settlement. I spent 6 months in counselling, gained a lot of weight, and was on long-term prescription medications for the first time in My life.

Do I regret leaving? No. Absolutely not. Not for a moment. Leaving that marriage was the best thing I ever did. It freed Me to pursue goals of My own choosing. In the past 12 years, this is what I accomplished:

• Learned how to drive.
• Learned how to play several new musical instruments, succeeded at 4 music exams (2 in violin, 2 in clarinet), and have performed with a choir and 3 community bands. I can wander off to the Symphony or a rock concert or a theatre performance whenever I want, without feeling obligated to buy tickets for anyone but Myself.
• Wrote half a dozen novels and contributed to several blogs.
• Achieved a purple belt in Shotokan karate.
• Started a new career in medicine.
• Created a massive concrete sculpture and completed a painting I had been struggling with.
• Gained control over insomnia of nearly 50 years' duration, cured a nasty case of gastroesophageal reflux, and got off all prescription meds.
• Finally attained financial stability, built up some retirement savings, and have now nearly paid off My new house, too.

None of this would have happened if I had stayed where I was. I had to be willing to lose it all in order to gain what I have now.

Are you satisfied to spend the rest of your life in your little Australian house, Aristeo, offering unwanted religious advice to people who don't believe you? Or would you rather have life in abundance?

What could you accomplish if you weren't worried about hurting "Ama's" feelings, or of losing your "salvation" in some heaven that may not even exist? What could you be doing with all that time if you weren't spending it defending the nonsense of a false prophet?

Your future starts now. You can have something better, but only if you take out the trash first. (Springy G hands Aristeo a large green garbage bag) Whenever you're ready.

[pakeha]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Yes, “(in Jewish legend)” is part of the definition from The World Book Dictionary. I did not know that “golem” is a Jewish legend. It was mentioned by pakeha and since it was the first time that I heard the word, I looked it up in the dictionary. In my previous post, I quoted what the dictionary says.

When did this legend start? Before Pontius Pilate was created or after he was created? Source of the legend? Who was the legend referring to?

I also did not know before that Pontius Pilate was created in the image of Jesus until I heard what Ama said regarding the going of the Holy Family to Jerusalem when He was 12 years old. That is why Ama asked which is usually asked by older people, “Who was crucified: Jesus or Pontius Pilate?” Because they looked exactly similar.

I have also mentioned in “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?” thread that when Pontius Pilate died and was buried, Ama, the one who gave the 19 prophecies, said that it flooded and the earth shook that is why they threw one of the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus to the sea and it calmed down. The nail floated and found its way to Paris. These are the additional info regarding Pontius Pilate.

What I am relating to you are what I heard from Ama. It is up to you whether you will believe Him or not.

Correct me if I'm wrong, PC, but the golem question was discussed months ago.
Did you really not follow it at all?

The things Maria Alvaran has told her little inner circle can only be described as a monument to her bold crassness and the vulnerability of the group.
Today, with Internet, her stories are debunked with ease, as we've shown you again and again.

PC. Are you really not aware that your religion forbids mediumship?

Originally Posted by Astreja

...[*]Gained control over insomnia of nearly 50 years' duration, cured a nasty case of gastroesophageal reflux, and got off all prescription meds. ...

Go,girl!

[George152]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Not, No imaginary being is responsible for my life.

Also which god?

I have a list of some 5000 wannabe deities that PC might like to browse through and tell us which ones are and which ones are not and the thought processes that he brings to such a selection process

[Akuma Tennou]

Oh lol, from another thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=249271) an engineered HIV cures a girl from leukaemia. Engineered HIVs are really a great achievement of modern medicine: past weekend French Telethon was aired and searchers told many times it was a good field of study. Looks like HIV GOTTA CURE ALL diseases, wink wink.

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Yes, “(in Jewish legend)” is part of the definition from The World Book Dictionary. I did not know that “golem” is a Jewish legend. It was mentioned by pakeha and since it was the first time that I heard the word, I looked it up in the dictionary. In my previous post, I quoted what the dictionary says.

When did this legend start? Before Pontius Pilate was created or after he was created? Source of the legend? Who was the legend referring to?

I also did not know before that Pontius Pilate was created in the image of Jesus until I heard what Ama said regarding the going of the Holy Family to Jerusalem when He was 12 years old. That is why Ama asked which is usually asked by older people, “Who was crucified: Jesus or Pontius Pilate?” Because they looked exactly similar.

I have also mentioned in “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?” thread that when Pontius Pilate died and was buried, Ama, the one who gave the 19 prophecies, said that it flooded and the earth shook that is why they threw one of the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus to the sea and it calmed down. The nail floated and found its way to Paris. These are the additional info regarding Pontius Pilate.

What I am relating to you are what I heard from Ama. It is up to you whether you will believe Him or not.

That is a resounding not, There is no reason to believe someone who has been wrong in every prediction they have made.

[poblob14]

Originally Posted by Multivac

I know exactly who gave me life, and neither of them was a god.

My mom was. YOU TALKIN' ABOUT MY MOMMA???

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

That is why Ama asked which is usually asked by older people, “Who was crucified: Jesus or Pontius Pilate?” Because they looked exactly similar.

No, it's because they're senile. Seriously, this is "usually asked by older people"? What older people go around asking this?

[halleyscomet]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

When did this legend start? Before Pontius Pilate was created or after he was created? Source of the legend? Who was the legend referring to?

You cannot date a legend based upon a fictional event as you are trying to do. Since Jesus never created Pontius Pilate for clay, you cannot attempt to date the origin of the Golem legend to it.

As for the start of the Golem legend, it can be dated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem#Earliest_stories

A little research can be an astoundingly easy thing to do. You should try it.

[Rincewind]

Originally Posted by Astreja

And yet you quoted a dictionary definition that clearly states that it is a legend. Don't you actually read what you post?

Given that PC doesn't really read anything anybody else posts, I guess this would be par for the course.

[Rincewind]

Originally Posted by Akuma Tennou

Pilate had been given a Filipino name? Can you prove it, or that's merely a coincidence?

Let's face it - Jesus was given a Mexican name....

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by Rincewind

Let's face it - Jesus was given a Mexican name....

There is your error. The name jesus originates from the familiar greeting given to the chief Greek god Zeus. Everyone used to greet him saying "Hey, Zeus" eventually becoming the hispanic "jesus", and further anglisised into the modern jebus. Prove me wrong PC.

[Akuma Tennou]

Originally Posted by Rincewind

Let's face it - Jesus was given a Mexican name....

<offtopic>Ha! I just finished reading your astounding adventures in English, the French version was really good but not that funny though</offtopic>

Originally Posted by abaddon

There is your error. The name jesus originates from the familiar greeting given to the chief Greek god Zeus. Everyone used to greet him saying "Hey, Zeus" eventually becoming the hispanic "jesus", and further anglisised into the modern jebus. Prove me wrong PC.

But since Filipino uses a lot of Spanish/Latin roots... can't you see it? I'm Ama-zed of such a revelation.

[gabeygoat]

Just wanna say, I'm glad PC is posting again. All his weird stories are entertaining, and most of all, I learn a lot (not from PC, but from the rest of y'all).

[PeaceCrusader]

Originally Posted by pakeha

Correct me if I'm wrong, PC, but the golem question was discussed months ago.
Did you really not follow it at all?

The things Maria Alvaran has told her little inner circle can only be described as a monument to her bold crassness and the vulnerability of the group.
Today, with Internet, her stories are debunked with ease, as we've shown you again and again.

PC. Are you really not aware that your religion forbids mediumship?


Go,girl!

Yes, I remember you mentioning about “golem” months ago in the “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?” thread. I said that Pontius Pilate was a “golem” because based on what I heard of what Ama, the one who said about the 19 prophecies being discussed here, related, Jesus created Pontius Pilate from clay and breathed life into it when He was 12 years old. Do you believe what Ama said? I did not know the word “golem”. I did not know that it was a legend. I did not know that it was a Jewish legend. Now, I can relate to what He said to what is being discussed here.

Maria Liwayway Alvaran does not have a “little inner circle”. Her spirit leaves her body when Ama appropriates it. It is called in Filipino, “lakip”, the spirit of a person leaves his body to give way to an extraneous spirit whereas “sanib” is where the spirit of the person remains in his body and the extraneous spirit inserts himself into his body.

So Ama is the one relating the event and not Maria Liwayway Alvaran or Ka Apaz. He is the one who related the creation of Pontius Pilate from clay and the place where the soil is “pila”. “pila”, BTW, is also a type of clay in the Philippines used to make earthenware. Ama related that Jesus gave life to it who looked exactly like Himself and who was adopted by Tiberius Caesar, the newly installed Emperor of the Roman Empire.

Yes, “Today, with Internet, her stories are debunked with ease” – and can be proven as well with ease. So be discerning. I believe in what Ama said because I believe that He is the spirit of Jesus Christ.

If God can make Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ and lived with the people, can He not make Himself talk to people as a spirit?

Christianity, in Exodus 20, says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

It also says in 1 John 4:1-3: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

How can we discern the good spirit and the bad spirit if we do not scrutinize what they say? Pick up what will be good for your soul and discard what will be bad.

[devnull]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

If you believe in what the spirit of Ama says, then change your unbelief in God to belief in the only true God who created you and who gave life to you. Change your ways. If before you are haughty, be humble. If before you belittle people, change that for we are all equal in the sight of God. Read the Holy Bible.

I cannot save you. Religion cannot save you. Salvation to eternal life in Heaven can only be achieved by one’s efforts – his belief in the only true God and his works.

Do you believe you've made a solid case for belief in Ama's teachings?

[Akuma Tennou]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Ama related that Jesus gave life to it who looked exactly like Himself and who was adopted by Tiberius Caesar, the newly installed Emperor of the Roman Empire.

You've already said that, but I'm not sure I understand. You're saying Pilate was... black ?

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Yes, “Today, with Internet, her stories are debunked with ease” – and can be proven as well with ease. So be discerning.

Discerning? Anyone who will look for Alvaran on Google will find JREF first. They'll know how much a failure her prediction of WW3 was. The more you speak about her, the more her true face will be known to the internets. Please continue spamming her nonsense. We couldn't help you — and I'm really sorry for that — but we'll help others to not fall into her trap of deception. Discernment there shall be.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

I believe in what Ama said because I believe that He is the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Of course not! You've chosen to stay with Alvaran, even when noticing the huge failure of her prophecies, only because you've spent too much time to turn your back on her now. But you're fully aware she's nothing but a false prophet.

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Christianity, in Exodus 20, says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

Could you remind me what's in the front cover of your Pasióng Mahal?

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

It also says in 1 John 4:1-3: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

Yeah, some even predict WW3 and imaginary diseases...

[fromdownunder]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

How can we discern the good spirit and the bad spirit if we do not scrutinize what they say? Pick up what will be good for your soul and discard what will be bad.

For the sake of the discussion, let's assume that the spirit exists. I would suggest that 19 failed prophesies constitute a "bad spirit", and should be discarded. How is WWIII going? Did the Olympics happen or not? Where is the Chinese 2 Billion strong army?

How is your eBay business selling used duct tape and pre-loved door stoppers going? Or did you buy any of this stuff in anticipation of WWIII in the first place? I am willing to bet that you did not, because you do not truly believe Ama-geddon's failures. You are not trying to convince anybody here of anything. You are simply trying to justify, in some curious manner, your utter failure at life because you fell for a fakir and need some sort of personal atonement for a completely wasted life. So sad.

Norm

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

I said that Pontius Pilate was a “golem” because based on what I heard of what Ama, the one who said about the 19 prophecies being discussed here, related...

That would be the 19 prophecies that were all wrong, trivial, or both.

[PeaceCrusader]

Originally Posted by devnull

Do you believe you've made a solid case for belief in Ama's teachings?

Yes, I believe in Ama’s teachings. They are what is found in the Holy Bible. And more.

You know, it was prophecy that brought me to this group. I used to check what the various “psychics” say of what is in store the following year. Then I checked at the end of the following year whether what they predicted came true or not.

What I read in 1982 in the 1980-03-30 issue of the Philippine Panorama are the 19 prophecies being discussed here. It had been two years since that Sunday magazine supplement had been published. I did not have the time to go to the address mentioned in the article as I was leaving for overseas work. It was only in 1983 during my home leave when I was able to go to the address.

Not only does He discuss the Holy Bible but He also gives us new light to the stories in it like, for example, how Pontius Pilate was created, the birth of Jesus, His crucifixion, the story of the two thieves crucified with Jesus, the missing 18 years, etc.

Did you know that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I believed that the spirit who we talk to is Jesus Christ? After believing Him in 1994, five years later, in 1999, I checked His revelations that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17. In 2006, I have proven both dates to be true and correct. The year when Jesus was born? 33 BC. The year when He was crucified? 1 BC.

[Mashuna]

Originally Posted by PeaceCrusader

Yes, I believe in Ama’s teachings. They are what is found in the Holy Bible. And more.

You know, it was prophecy that brought me to this group. I used to check what the various “psychics” say of what is in store the following year. Then I checked at the end of the following year whether what they predicted came true or not.

What I read in 1982 in the 1980-03-30 issue of the Philippine Panorama are the 19 prophecies being discussed here. It had been two years since that Sunday magazine supplement had been published. I did not have the time to go to the address mentioned in the article as I was leaving for overseas work. It was only in 1983 during my home leave when I was able to go to the address.

Not only does He discuss the Holy Bible but He also gives us new light to the stories in it like, for example, how Pontius Pilate was created, the birth of Jesus, His crucifixion, the story of the two thieves crucified with Jesus, the missing 18 years, etc.

Did you know that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I believed that the spirit who we talk to is Jesus Christ? After believing Him in 1994, five years later, in 1999, I checked His revelations that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17. In 2006, I have proven both dates to be true and correct. The year when Jesus was born? 33 BC. The year when He was crucified? 1 BC.

Oh dear. It's like trying to get through to a golem.

[fromdownunder]

Originally Posted by Mashuna

Oh dear. It's like trying to get through to a golem.

Or a 'bot.

Norm