| JREF Homepage | Swift Blog | Events Calendar | $1 Million Paranormal Challenge | The Amaz!ng Meeting | Useful Links | Support Us |
![]() |
|
|
|
|||||||
| Notices |
| Welcome to the JREF Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today. |
|
|
#81 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,643
|
Really? When I think of animal welfare I think of a vet being called to a house because the pony living there is malnourished and it's feet are in bad shape, or the 'animal cops' type things.
when I think of animal rights, I think of some goofy 20 yr old kid in a flannel shirt and a ski mask setting a bunch of chimps loose then burning the lab down. |
|
|
|
|
#82 |
|
Graduate Poster
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Western Wisconsin
Posts: 1,216
|
Is it wrong to eat meat? Well, there is no wrong or right but that's another discussion. But no, obviously based on our physiology we are equipped to do so and all living things need to eat.
Is it wrong to pump millions of animals full of drugs, force them to sometimes live in incredibly small spaces and even cut off parts of their body or hunt them for sport, all to fulfill our personal preferences rather than as necessity? I'd say probably, but then again I eat meat often so I guess that makes me a hypocrite. Oddly enough many people who make comments such as "I'll eat twice as much meat to compensate for the vegetarian" are quite in favor of eating beef, pork, chicken, venison, or hunting Turkeys or deer but would be appalled if such factory farming or hunting were to occur with dogs or cats or some other more beloved animal. I think most of those types, which would include myself, have some vague idea that what we do is wrong but we are so indoctrinated and love the taste so much that we have various justifications, don't think about it too closely or treat the whole thing as a joke so as to not have to worry about it. |
|
__________________
Insults come when a person cannot think of an intelligent response. |
|
|
|
|
|
#83 |
|
Other (please write in)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NeverLand
Posts: 9,898
|
|
|
__________________
As cultural anthropologists have always said "human culture" = "human nature". You might as well put a fish on the moon to test how it "swims naturally" without the "influence of water". -Earthborn |
|
|
|
|
|
#84 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,643
|
............seriously? wtf do "claims of the ideology" have to do with my perception of the terms?
please enlighten us as to the difference. I live in the real world, not in a textbook |
|
|
|
|
#85 |
|
Grammaton Cleric
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swingin' on a star
Posts: 7,123
|
Obama should respond to PETA by killing the turkeys with his bare hands.
Then kill the birds as well. |
|
__________________
"The perfect haiku would have just two syllables: Airwolf" ~ Ernest Cline "Science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop" ~ Dara O'Briain. |
|
|
|
|
|
#86 |
|
Other (please write in)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NeverLand
Posts: 9,898
|
You live in anecdotes. I don't judge atheism based on the actions of Dawkins, or Christianity based on the actions of Westboro.
Regan, Francione, and Singer (to name a few) have spent years creating internally consistent (and unique) arguments for animal rights. Actually, I have to wonder why your first example is of "animal welfare". I know of animal rights organisations that have done very similar things. The founders of Farm Sanctuary come to mind. |
|
__________________
As cultural anthropologists have always said "human culture" = "human nature". You might as well put a fish on the moon to test how it "swims naturally" without the "influence of water". -Earthborn |
|
|
|
|
|
#87 |
|
Muse
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Long Island
Posts: 741
|
This is the same PETA that claims dinosaurs (T-Rex and Velociraptors) were vegetarians.
Apparently the notion that animals eat other animals also gets under their craw. Is it Christmas yet? I'm dying to have a delicious hickory smoked honey baked ham |
|
|
|
|
#88 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 4,643
|
|
|
|
|
|
#89 |
|
Master Poster
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Sac'to CA
Posts: 2,339
|
I think Obama could legally draft the turkeys.
|
|
|
|
|
#90 |
|
Other (please write in)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NeverLand
Posts: 9,898
|
|
|
__________________
As cultural anthropologists have always said "human culture" = "human nature". You might as well put a fish on the moon to test how it "swims naturally" without the "influence of water". -Earthborn |
|
|
|
|
|
#91 |
|
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 22,792
|
|
|
|
|
|
#92 |
|
Adelaidean
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia, not that you'll read the "location" field.
Posts: 9,921
|
|
|
|
|
|
#93 |
|
Unimpressed Female
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia
Posts: 3,037
|
|
|
__________________
If anyone told you that I'm a nice person, they were either from a different level of existance, lying through their teeth or mentally instable. "We? That better be you and that invisible aardwarck in your pocket you are talking about, because I KNOW you are not stupid enough to open a giant can of whoop ass by claiming you know what I think." Stop Sylvia Browne |
|
|
|
|
|
#94 |
|
Illuminator
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 3,255
|
That's just the dumbest thing I ever heard. Obama helps PETA's cause by saving one animal. They don't like it.
Suppose aliens came down to eat us humans. ![]() And the alien president had a tradition to pardon one of my own kind. Yeah I'd be pretty glad about that and wouldn't want the AETH (Aliens for the Ethical Treatment of Humans) to say that's a tradition harmful to us humans. That's one more human that got to live. |
|
__________________
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
|
|
|
|
|
#95 |
|
Straussian
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,935
|
At three dollars a post, let's just call it $50 at this point, which I will donate to Bite Back, a really cool magazine that publicizes the good work of the Animal Liberation Front. Courtesy of the JREF.
|
|
__________________
Arrested Development is coming back! Michael (to GOB): Get rid of the Seaward. Lucille: I’ll leave when I’m good and ready. |
|
|
|
|
|
#96 |
|
Goddess of Legaltainment™
Administrator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 26,204
|
At $3 per post, $50 isn't an appropriate number as 50 is not evenly divisible by 3, so make it $51, or $54, or $57, or $60.
But anyway, PETA sucks. So add another $3. |
|
|
|
|
#97 |
|
grumpy old skeptic
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Deep in the rain
Posts: 18,503
|
PETA is a ridiculous organization dedicated to anti-speciesist presjudice.
Cain, please post a receipt for your donation. |
|
__________________
The Power to Quit |
|
|
|
|
|
#98 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
|
|
|
|
|
|
#100 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
|
Juliet,
this is not maybe the right place and the right time to tell you but .. .. I love you! (*) The world would be a better place with more people like you. John (*) This has not to be intended as a marriage/boyfriend-girlfriendship proposal, just as a generic statement of affection. I do not want to create any problem with your husband/boyfriend .. |
|
|
|
|
#101 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
|
And here are my 10 dollars.
Yes, I should have donate more.. |
|
|
|
|
#103 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
|
|
|
|
|
|
#104 |
|
Straussian
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,935
|
I swear to science, Aspergers would be a blessing for some people on this forum. I assumed it was obvious 50 is not divisible by three; I also assumed it was obvious that I wasn't bothering to count up the posts. I'm simply guessing that fifty is nice, round, fair amount, which is what I'm giving. And in my first post I reserved the right to donate to a group that people here find even more loathsome than PETA, which is Bite Back. So that's what I'm doing. And here's evidence.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/biteback.png/ And one more thing: Dessi's the best.
|
|
__________________
Arrested Development is coming back! Michael (to GOB): Get rid of the Seaward. Lucille: I’ll leave when I’m good and ready. |
|
|
|
|
|
#105 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
|
I start to suspect that all the people who are writing anti-PETA posts here are here to instigate us to make donations to PETA.
Part of a pro-PETA consipracy, I fear.
|
|
|
|
|
#106 |
|
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,730
|
|
|
__________________
__________ Hiding from the
|
|
|
|
|
|
#107 |
|
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,730
|
|
|
__________________
__________ Hiding from the
|
|
|
|
|
|
#108 |
|
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,730
|
|
|
__________________
__________ Hiding from the
|
|
|
|
|
|
#109 |
|
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,730
|
Some humans can become quite ill on a vegan diet, and vegan diets can be out of reach for many low income folks.
There are people who care very much about animal suffering. They sneak into these places either at night or as 'employees' armed with tiny cameras. Many of their videos are on Youtube. Some of the night camera people steal sick egg laying hens from battery cages that are near death and rehab them. These sneaky films are causing quite the mess for these battery farmers. The public is no longer quite so in the dark. |
|
__________________
__________ Hiding from the
|
|
|
|
|
|
#110 |
|
Master Poster
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,730
|
|
|
__________________
__________ Hiding from the
|
|
|
|
|
|
#111 |
|
Straussian
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,935
|
|
|
__________________
Arrested Development is coming back! Michael (to GOB): Get rid of the Seaward. Lucille: I’ll leave when I’m good and ready. |
|
|
|
|
|
#112 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
|
BS.
I try to avoid meat since 10 years ago and I am healthy as a healthy horse. Avoid meat and your life expectancy will be more, not less. EDIT All people supporting unnecessary animal suffering should be reborn in a cage for chickens with no space to live and with their beak cut. For ten consecutive lives. |
|
|
|
|
#113 |
|
Grammaton Cleric
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swingin' on a star
Posts: 7,123
|
|
|
__________________
"The perfect haiku would have just two syllables: Airwolf" ~ Ernest Cline "Science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop" ~ Dara O'Briain. |
|
|
|
|
|
#114 |
|
Banned
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,570
|
|
|
|
|
|
#115 |
|
Skepticifimisticalationist
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Third in line
Posts: 14,879
|
If you want to actually help animals, I implore you to donate to your local Humane Society chapter or the ASPCA, and not PETA.
|
|
|
|
|
#116 |
|
Species traitor
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,061
|
Congratulations on supporting terrorism, Cain, Dessi and John. There is now blood on your hands. Not animal blood--that doesn't count. Also, not the blood of humans. The most important blood of all: property blood.
In response, I'm going to donate like $501 in steaks to me. (For the record, that is divisible by three.) |
|
|
|
|
#117 |
|
Grammaton Cleric
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swingin' on a star
Posts: 7,123
|
|
|
__________________
"The perfect haiku would have just two syllables: Airwolf" ~ Ernest Cline "Science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop" ~ Dara O'Briain. |
|
|
|
|
|
#118 |
|
Philosopher
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,167
|
Just as long as Eva Mendes is spared. If she's gonna get eaten by anybody I'm calling dibs.
I actually didn't have any turkey this Thanksgiving. I'm sort of the house chef but the kitchen is being remodeled and I didn't want my bird and dressing to taste of gypsum. I'll make up for it next year by cooking up a full spread and having plenty of weed on hand to whip up the appetites. Instead, I went and watched dozens of turkeys get fed to tigers, lions, cougars, etc. at a big cat sanctuary. I wonder what PETA would say about that. |
|
__________________
"There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Roy Moore of Alabama. The world would absolutely benefit by him being run over by any vehicle." - Lowpro |
|
|
|
|
|
#119 |
|
Muse
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 858
|
To be fair, only a very small percentage of that money will support terrorism. Most of it will go towards incendiary ad campaigns, nude models, Flash programmers, copyright lawyers (for the Flash games), insulin, and slave-labor Apple products for those brave crusaders of justice to play with while they track down whale boats to film themselves throwing soap at.
|
|
|
|
|
#120 |
|
grumpy old skeptic
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Deep in the rain
Posts: 18,503
|
|
|
__________________
The Power to Quit |
|
|
|
![]() |
| Bookmarks |
| Thread Tools | |
|
|