JREF Homepage Swift Blog Events Calendar $1 Million Paranormal Challenge The Amaz!ng Meeting Useful Links Support Us
James Randi Educational Foundation JREF Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   JREF Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events
Click Here To Donate

Notices


Welcome to the JREF Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.

Tags Amanda Knox , Raffaele Sollecito

View Poll Results: Why so much attention to the Amanda Knox case?
As it is a very important topic of discussion, which deserves 1000+ pages of talk 8 13.79%
As people are greedy for stories of lust and murder 17 29.31%
As there is politics involved 4 6.90%
I do not know/other option 29 50.00%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
Old 9th December 2012, 03:44 AM   #1
John Mekki
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
Why so much attention to the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

I was wondering, why so much attention to the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case?

Post your reply.
John Mekki is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 04:48 AM   #2
RoseMontague
Published Author
 
RoseMontague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 6,371
Originally Posted by John Mekki View Post
I was wondering, why so much attention to the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case?

Post your reply.
There is not a choice for all of the above and then some, or a Planet X option. If you get a chance see if you can track down my series, History of The Groundhog Day Massacre in Six Shots. If not, I am planning another series for Groundhog Day 2013.
__________________
"I have hated the words and I have loved them, and I hope I have made them right".
RoseMontague is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 04:50 AM   #3
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
People masturbate to Amanda Knox.
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 05:37 AM   #4
RoseMontague
Published Author
 
RoseMontague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 6,371
The actual posts in the threads including humor, FC, and FMF total in the neighborhood of 100,000 with more than 2 million views. I don't know that the AK is Hot reason really covers that much attention. Perhaps it is because Raffaele is cute. These options are missing from the poll as well.
__________________
"I have hated the words and I have loved them, and I hope I have made them right".
RoseMontague is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 06:08 AM   #5
Rolfe
Anti-homeopathy illuminati member
 
Rolfe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NT 150 511
Posts: 37,868
People enjoy puzzles, and a puzzle where the (original) officially-sanctioned answer was obviously wrong is a red rag to a bull.

Rolfe.
__________________
"The way we vote will depend, ultimately, on whether we are persuaded to hope or to fear." - Aonghas MacNeacail, June 2012.
Rolfe is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 07:04 AM   #6
joesixpack
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Edge of the continent, Pacific county, WA
Posts: 4,534
I don't actually have any more than a vague idea as to who these people are and the crime they were accused of. I can draw no meaningful distinction between myself and those who are very interested in the case other than that. I'm not certain why it would be interesting, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be, only that it doesn't interest me.

I answered the survey because it was in the sidebar on the forum homepage (I answered "other")
__________________
Generally sober 'til noon.
joesixpack is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 07:15 AM   #7
Ryokan
Insert something funny here
 
Ryokan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Norway
Posts: 8,980
Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
People masturbate to Amanda Knox.
I was surprised to see this, or rather something similar, wasn't an option. It's because she's a rather good looking girl.
Ryokan is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 07:16 AM   #8
CaptBang
Scholar
 
CaptBang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 117
It's been said already and bears repeating: people want to bang Amanda Knox, hence, their fascination. Besides sex, what else motivate most people who are not on bath salts to do anything?

Admit it—you would, or one of the other main actors.
__________________
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
CaptBang is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 07:45 AM   #9
Darth Rotor
Salted Sith Cynic
 
Darth Rotor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rat cheer
Posts: 35,992
The standard answer used to be: because she's hot, is dear little Foxy Knoxy.

Sadly, you don't have that as a choice on the poll.

The case began in 2007, and for me was quite close to home as at the time my daughter was about to go to college and was considering programs that might lead to foreign study.

What happened to Meredith, and for that matter Amanda, is a parent's nightmare.
__________________
Helicopters don't so much fly as beat the air into submission.
"Jesus wept, but did He laugh?"--F.H. Buckley____"There is one thing that was too great for God to show us when He walked upon our earth ... His mirth." --Chesterton__"If the barbarian in us is excised, so is our humanity."--D'rok__ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails."-- Robert Earl Keen__"Sturgeon spares none.". -- The Marquis
Darth Rotor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 07:54 AM   #10
Strawberry
Critical Thinker
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 480
Cases where there is a controversy about guilt or innocence will always garner more attention than cases where most agree about the issue.

Come to think of it, any thread about any subject on which there is disagreement and firmly entrenched views on either side will rage on and on, while threads where there is broad agreement rarely go over two or three pages.
Strawberry is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 08:03 AM   #11
Bill Williams
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 5,191
Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
The standard answer used to be: because she's hot, is dear little Foxy Knoxy.

Sadly, you don't have that as a choice on the poll.

The case began in 2007, and for me was quite close to home as at the time my daughter was about to go to college and was considering programs that might lead to foreign study.

What happened to Meredith, and for that matter Amanda, is a parent's nightmare.
I go with this one. The Kerchers rank a little above the Knox/Mellas's on this... but it has been an unimaginable nightmare for both, not to mention the principals at trial.

In seriousness, wrongful convictions are a huge problem.
Bill Williams is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 08:14 AM   #12
Skeptical Greg
Agave Wine Connoisseur
 
Skeptical Greg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Just past 'Resume Speed'
Posts: 13,696
Blood, murder, sex, romance. mystery, overly ambitious if not corrupt judicial system.. All the elements of a juicy story with much controversy and everyone choosing sides...

If the forums had been around during the OJ trial, the threads would still be active today..

Oh, and did anyone mention that Amanda Knox is hot ?
__________________
" What if the Hokey Pokey is what it's all about? "

Prove your computer is not a wimp ! Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232

Last edited by Skeptical Greg; 9th December 2012 at 08:20 AM.
Skeptical Greg is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 09:13 AM   #13
Kestrel
Philosopher
 
Kestrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 5,025
Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
People enjoy puzzles, and a puzzle where the (original) officially-sanctioned answer was obviously wrong is a red rag to a bull.

Rolfe.
The Knox case also touches on many areas where public belief conflicts with actual science. False confessions, the reliability of DNA evidence, determining guilt from facial expressions or behavioral clues, reliability of eyewitness accounts. These make it a wonderful case for skeptical discussion.
Kestrel is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 10:10 AM   #14
Chris_Halkides
Philosopher
 
Chris_Halkides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,104
study abroad but be careful

I agree with Rolfe, Kestrel, and Darth Rotor. I am sometimes in a position of discussing students' plans to study abroad, and this case, along with the Dartmouth student in Spain, figure into those conversations. The Lindy Chamberlain case started out as a family who tragically lost an infant to a wild animal, yet from what I can gather, it became national news in Australia. The Duke lacrosse case started out as an ill-judged party, but the New York Times had over one hundred articles on it. Why some cases catch the public's imagination and not others is hard for me to say.

I chose option one because skeptics here and elsewhere found fault with the case where fault truly lay. I hope the next case like it runs to one thousand pages also, if that's what it takes to ferret out a false conviction.
__________________
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had
happened.” – Winston Churchill

Last edited by Chris_Halkides; 9th December 2012 at 10:15 AM.
Chris_Halkides is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 10:28 AM   #15
Rolfe
Anti-homeopathy illuminati member
 
Rolfe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NT 150 511
Posts: 37,868
Originally Posted by halides1 View Post
I hope the next case like it runs to one thousand pages also, if that's what it takes to ferret out a false conviction.

Well, the Lockerbie threads are currently pretty quiet, despite dynamite revelations and unfinished research into the SCCRC report (among other things). Principally due to a lack of critical mass of posters contributing.

Just sayin'....

Rolfe.
__________________
"The way we vote will depend, ultimately, on whether we are persuaded to hope or to fear." - Aonghas MacNeacail, June 2012.
Rolfe is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 10:31 AM   #16
RoseMontague
Published Author
 
RoseMontague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 6,371
Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
Well, the Lockerbie threads are currently pretty quiet, despite dynamite revelations and unfinished research into the SCCRC report (among other things). Principally due to a lack of critical mass of posters contributing.

Just sayin'....

Rolfe.
Reminds me of an old promise I made. Is there a resource of indexed documents and links available? Just send me a PM when you can.
__________________
"I have hated the words and I have loved them, and I hope I have made them right".
RoseMontague is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 10:33 AM   #17
RoseMontague
Published Author
 
RoseMontague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 6,371
Originally Posted by halides1 View Post

I chose option one because skeptics here and elsewhere found fault with the case where fault truly lay. I hope the next case like it runs to one thousand pages also, if that's what it takes to ferret out a false conviction.
You convinced me, both on the case and now for my vote. Good on you.
__________________
"I have hated the words and I have loved them, and I hope I have made them right".
RoseMontague is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 10:40 AM   #18
Antony
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: London, England
Posts: 1,321
Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
People enjoy puzzles, and a puzzle where the (original) officially-sanctioned answer was obviously wrong is a red rag to a bull.

Rolfe.
Added to that is indignation at an obviously wrong conviction; it is at least gratifying that there should be such a variety of people eager to add their voices to the blogosphere against an injustice.

What is more difficult to understand is that there should be a substantial group of people, with dedicated websites, clamouring to sustain the original guilty verdict, and that there should remain a core of them continuing to do so long after their case has completely collapsed.
Antony is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 11:03 AM   #19
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 25,449
Originally Posted by Rolfe View Post
People enjoy puzzles, and a puzzle where the (original) officially-sanctioned answer was obviously wrong is a red rag to a bull.

Rolfe.
People love to play Sherlock Holmes.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 11:09 AM   #20
Charlie Wilkes
Illuminator
 
Charlie Wilkes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,323
My assessment... it all began with The Narrative, as presented by Italian law enforcement and the tabloid media:

Meredith Kercher was a polite, serious British woman of impeccable character. "Foxy Knoxy" is a spoiled, selfish American with an unlimited sense of entitlement and no respect for others. "Foxy Knoxy" hated Meredith because Meredith was all the things "Foxy Knoxy" herself could never be. But the one thing "Foxy Knoxy" was really good at was using her sexuality to manipulate and control men. Therefore, she persuaded Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guede to collaborate with her on a brutal murder, partly out of spite, partly just for kicks. And she might have gotten away with it, if not for the keen insight of the Italian authorities, who represent the best of Europe's enlightened and humanistic governing institutions.

In 2007, The Narrative resonated with many Europeans. It also rang true for educated liberals in America. From both sides of the Atlantic, people came together on the Internet to form a social network built around The Narrative.

The Narrative does not, however, line up with facts. Amanda Knox is actually a friendly, kind-hearted person who never harbored the slightest ill will toward Meredith. To those who know her, the idea that she would commit murder is absurd. A careful examination of the evidence shows that the case against her and Raffaele was false and contrived. Meredith was killed by Rudy Guede, a disturbed young man who hung out on the periphery of the student scene in Perugia. Unfortunately, the authorities only figured this out after they had staked their pride and reputations to a public accusation against the wrong people.

Thus, for five years now, a fierce debate has raged, pitting those who cannot let go of The Narrative against those who understand what really happened.

A couple of factors have compounded the weight of the discussion on JREF.

First, the discussion brought in a wave of new people, including myself, who at first were suspected of being "woos," because we allege a complex conspiracy to hide the truth. Unlike the truthers or the anti-vaxers, however, we can point to countless cases where similar conspiracies have really unfolded and have been extensively documented - the Dreyfus Affair, Lindy Chamberlain, the Birmingham Six, Hernandez and Cruz, the West Memphis Three, the Norfolk Four, and hundreds of innocent people convicted of crimes that never happened during America's "satanic panic" in the 1980s.

Second, after Amanda and Raffaele were convicted in 2009, it became possible to share the extensive portfolio of forensic data compiled by the police and handed to the defense as part of the discovery process. All of this material was given to me along with permission to use it as I saw fit, and I saw fit to make any of it (except images of Meredith's body) available to anyone with a sincere interest in the case.

Among other things, this included hundreds of crime scene photos, several hours of crime scene video, a battery of DNA test results, and a map showing the location and identity of every fingerprint recovered from the cottage where the murder took place. It was a vast trove of primary source material in the hands of people who enjoy nothing more than to analyze it and discuss what it means.
Charlie Wilkes is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 11:34 AM   #21
DallasDad
Muse
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 738
The only thing I know about Amanda Knox is that her name has taken up way too much space in various venues, including JREF. My assumption is that she must be pretty, otherwise no one would really care. I have not bothered to try locating a photo in order to validate my guess.
DallasDad is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 12:16 PM   #22
PhantomWolf
Penultimate Amazing
 
PhantomWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base
Posts: 11,438
Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
People masturbate to Amanda Knox.
Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
It's because she's a rather good looking girl.
Originally Posted by CaptBang View Post
It's been said already and bears repeating: people want to bang Amanda Knox, hence, their fascination. Besides sex, what else motivate most people who are not on bath salts to do anything?

Admit it—you would, or one of the other main actors.
Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
The standard answer used to be: because she's hot, is dear little Foxy Knoxy.
Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg View Post
Oh, and did anyone mention that Amanda Knox is hot ?
All I can say is that certain peoiple obviously have very low standards.
__________________

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
My Apollo Page.
PhantomWolf is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 01:10 PM   #23
Bill Williams
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 5,191
Originally Posted by Antony View Post
Added to that is indignation at an obviously wrong conviction; it is at least gratifying that there should be such a variety of people eager to add their voices to the blogosphere against an injustice.

What is more difficult to understand is that there should be a substantial group of people, with dedicated websites, clamouring to sustain the original guilty verdict, and that there should remain a core of them continuing to do so long after their case has completely collapsed.
Correct me if I am wrong, but those websites grew as catalogues of the prosecution's case - often relayed from the courtroom on the very day some lurid factoid was addressed by the prosecution.

It led to a critical mass of outrage - which might have been appropriate outrage if there'd been a sliver of truth to what the prosecution was claiming.

I don't want to take this discussion off topic.... but this is one of the continuing fascinations for me. Discussing this case with folk from those websites is like being in a timewarp.... there is unquestioned loyalty to the prosecution case, without so much as a nod to the defence or to the decisions at not one, but two fact-finding trials.

If there were no such repositories of information that harkens back to 2008 - 2009, I'm not sure I'd follow this. The attention I pay to it is perhaps more suspect that most - I cannot explain how some people can be at this for so long and not know that there's been a defence case, a decision to convict, an appeal, a new DNA analysis, the collapse of the prosecution's case, and a thoroughly convincing acquittal.

The Hellmann motivation's report is a complete trashing of the court which convicted.... but even the court which convicted trashed major elements of the prosecution's case (motive, mixed blood, psychopathology (or lack of same) of the two students).

Yet there are some stragglers who insist on going on as if psychopathology belongs to this, as if mixed blood is a given, as if there is any motive whatsoever for the two students to have been involved.

It's amazing.
Bill Williams is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 01:54 PM   #24
John Mekki
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 537
I am seeing that the option "As it is a very important topic of discussion, which deserves 1000+ pages of talk " is not getting much replies..
John Mekki is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 01:59 PM   #25
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
What happened to Meredith, and for that matter Amanda, is a parent's nightmare.
How about the world finding out that your daughter's a whore? That's gotta be a parent's nightmare.
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:02 PM   #26
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
All I can say is that certain peoiple obviously have very low standards.
Oh whatever. She's a cute girl albeit trashly once you acquire the information. The still pics show she was clearly attractive at the time of the murders.
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:07 PM   #27
anglolawyer
Philosopher
 
anglolawyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: surrey, england
Posts: 7,938
Murder, sex and justice/injustice are all compelling. I confess to a voyeuristic interest. I vote for the first three buttons in the poll.
anglolawyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:16 PM   #28
Chris_Halkides
Philosopher
 
Chris_Halkides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,104
alive and well

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
How about the world finding out that your daughter's a whore? That's gotta be a parent's nightmare.
If you think that the clear majority of young people in college are celibate the whole time they are students, I suggest you think twice (I teach at a university). The Italian authorities with the conscious or unwitting help of the media portrayed Ms. Knox as a woman of loose morals, but they had to resort to falsehoods and subterfuge in order to do it. In reality all four flatmates were sexually active, drank lightly, smoke marijuana--in other words acted like normal 20 something young women. One of the great fascinations for me in this case was learning that misogyny is alive, well, and still quite damaging in the twenty-first century.
__________________
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had
happened.” – Winston Churchill

Last edited by Chris_Halkides; 9th December 2012 at 03:19 PM. Reason: fixed extra word and added "in the 21st century"
Chris_Halkides is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:18 PM   #29
Charlie Wilkes
Illuminator
 
Charlie Wilkes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,323
Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
Oh whatever. She's a cute girl albeit trashly once you acquire the information. The still pics show she was clearly attractive at the time of the murders.
I have gotten to know her, and I have become friends with her mother and stepfather. She is a delightful person, she is respected and dearly loved by her family and friends, and there is nothing trashy about her.
Charlie Wilkes is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:28 PM   #30
PhantomWolf
Penultimate Amazing
 
PhantomWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base
Posts: 11,438
Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
Oh whatever. She's a cute girl albeit trashly once you acquire the information. The still pics show she was clearly attractive at the time of the murders.
While I would say she's not unattractive, and perhaps cute in the girl next door, sort of cute, she wouldn't make it onto the list of the world's million hottest women, so I really can't see why some people are supposedly so gaga over her looks. Presonally I think she's fairly plain in the looks department.

Though to be honest it usually seems to be used a bunt force ad hominen used again anyone that supported her innocence, in the idea that people only supported her in the hopes of getting laid by the supposed bombshell.

In reality she isn't that pretty. She has lightbrown/blondish hair, and breasts, and isn't overly ugly. So, as I said, some people obviously have very low standards.
__________________

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
My Apollo Page.

Last edited by PhantomWolf; 9th December 2012 at 02:34 PM.
PhantomWolf is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:29 PM   #31
Chris_Halkides
Philosopher
 
Chris_Halkides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,104
deja vu all over again

Originally Posted by DallasDad View Post
The only thing I know about Amanda Knox is that her name has taken up way too much space in various venues, including JREF. My assumption is that she must be pretty, otherwise no one would really care. I have not bothered to try locating a photo in order to validate my guess.
We are all agreed that Amanda is attractive. In the universe of possibilities, this might explain why straight men and gay women would take an interest, but it falls on its face as an explanation for why gay men or straight women would. Other potentially wrongful accusations/convictions have become major stories without the issue of the attractiveness of the defendant's being raised as an issue. The West Memphis Three and the Duke lacrosse three come to mind in the U.S., but there are better examples from Great Britain, such as Barry George. I wrote much the same thing as my comments above almost two years ago in a thread in forum community, and I had hoped never to have to revisit the topic. I hoped in vain.

However, there are empirical reasons to reject Amanda's attractiveness as the prime mover here at JREFF, reasons that have become apparent since that long-ago FC thread. Bruce Fisher's site, Injustice in Perugia, changed its name to Injustice Anywhere. I suggest forum members pay it a visit. I have started threads on the Hank Skinner case, and Skinner is a balding, middle-aged, slightly pudgy man. RoseMontague has participated in the discussion of the Sabrina Misseri case; Sabrina, it must be ruefully admitted, is a woman; however, she is not especially attractive, if I may say so without intending to be ungentlemanly.
__________________
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had
happened.” – Winston Churchill

Last edited by Chris_Halkides; 9th December 2012 at 03:16 PM. Reason: added final sentence in first paragraph
Chris_Halkides is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 02:43 PM   #32
Strawberry
Critical Thinker
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 480
Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
While I would say she's not unattractive, and perhaps cute in the girl next door, sort of cute, she wouldn't make it onto the list of the world's million hottest women, so I really can't see why some people are supposedly so gaga over her looks. Presonally I think she's fairly plain in the looks department.

Though to be honest it usually seems to be used a bunt force ad hominen used again anyone that supported her innocence, in the idea that people only supported her in the hopes of getting laid by the supposed bombshell.

In reality she isn't that pretty. She has lightbrown/blondish hair, and breasts, and isn't overly ugly. So, as I said, some people obviously have very low standards.
The same thing happens in the WM3 case. If you're a supporter, the nons accuse you of worshipping Damien Echols/being a Damien groupie, etc. Its self defeating in the end, because people like that fall for their own mythology and end up weakening their own arguments. For example, so convinced that supporters would be terribly wounded by any derogatory comment against Echols, the nons wasted about 90% of their energy insulting him and planning parties for his execution night, instead of dealing with case facts.
Strawberry is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:07 PM   #33
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by Charlie Wilkes View Post
I have gotten to know her, and I have become friends with her mother and stepfather. She is a delightful person, she is respected and dearly loved by her family and friends, and there is nothing trashy about her.
I don't think you'd be saying that circa 2007.
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:10 PM   #34
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by halides1 View Post
If you think that the clear majority of young people in college are celibate the whole time they are students, I suggest you think twice (I teach at a university). The the Italian authorities with the conscious or unwitting help of the media portrayed Ms. Knox as a woman of loose morals, but they had to resort to falsehoods and subterfuge in order to do it.
I am well aware of that. Even in the information age, most young women try to keep their ONS's on the DL.
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:29 PM   #35
Chris_Halkides
Philosopher
 
Chris_Halkides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,104
I would genuinely like to know

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
I don't think you'd be saying that circa 2007.
Why do you believe so?
__________________
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had
happened.” – Winston Churchill
Chris_Halkides is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:35 PM   #36
Chris_Halkides
Philosopher
 
Chris_Halkides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 7,104
unique circumstances

Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
I am well aware of that. Even in the information age, most young women try to keep their ONS's on the DL.
Are you aware of the circumstances under which Amanda's list of lifetime intimate partners was written and became public?
__________________
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had
happened.” – Winston Churchill
Chris_Halkides is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:45 PM   #37
PhantomWolf
Penultimate Amazing
 
PhantomWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base
Posts: 11,438
Originally Posted by UNLoVedRebel View Post
I don't think you'd be saying that circa 2007.
From what I know of her life in 2007, she wasn't really that much different to most Uni Students of the time.
__________________

It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
My Apollo Page.
PhantomWolf is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:45 PM   #38
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by halides1 View Post
Are you aware of the circumstances under which Amanda's list of lifetime intimate partners was written and became public?
Yes
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 03:56 PM   #39
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
From what I know of her life in 2007, she wasn't really that much different to most Uni Students of the time.
She seemed to have engaged in a lot of uncommitted sex with different number of partners in a short period of time. I'm not saying this is unusual or "different" but when a woman engages in this type of behavior and it becomes known, often she gets branded--especially by other women--as a "whore."

I'm not saying this is how I perceive her, I'm saying this is how the public likely does due to the information that's been released.

Also, pinning the blame for a murder on someone you know is innocent would be described as "different."

Last edited by Baylor; 9th December 2012 at 03:58 PM.
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2012, 04:13 PM   #40
Baylor
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 6,101
Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
While I would say she's not unattractive, and perhaps cute in the girl next door, sort of cute, she wouldn't make it onto the list of the world's million hottest women, so I really can't see why some people are supposedly so gaga over her looks. Presonally I think she's fairly plain in the looks department.

Though to be honest it usually seems to be used a bunt force ad hominen used again anyone that supported her innocence, in the idea that people only supported her in the hopes of getting laid by the supposed bombshell.

In reality she isn't that pretty. She has lightbrown/blondish hair, and breasts, and isn't overly ugly. So, as I said, some people obviously have very low standards.
I don't think she's been compared to celebrities or ever been deemed a "bombshell."

At the time of the murders, she did have the "girl next door" looks which often elicits sexual fantasies in men. (young & fertile, easy access, attainable/not much competition)
Baylor is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

JREF Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:39 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2001-2013, James Randi Educational Foundation. All Rights Reserved.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.