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Old 15th December 2012, 09:19 AM   #1
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Is Thomas Kincaid the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler?

I believe Hitler and Thomas stye of painting have a lot in common.
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Evidence? Samples? Show us something here.
The difference would be that Hitler likely actually painted his pictures himself instead of having them produced on assembly lines.
Not that I'm a fan of Kincaid's "art". I think it's crap.
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This post was basically frivolous in that I'm an atheist who doelsn't believe in anything supernatural. This includes woo woo of all kinds. The only similarities between Hitler and Kincade is that both were atrocious artists with Hitlers art being just a bit better.

Maybe if Hitler had specialized in cutsy garbage like Kincade he sould have supported himself with seasonal postcards featuring snow, Chris Kringle and bunnys.
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Another thing they both have in common: They are both dead!!!!!!!!1111!
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I don't think you can compare them. One was a tyrannical despot forcing his twisted ideals on masses of common people, resulting in uncountable atrocities.


Hitler, on the other hand, did wear a really ugly moustasche.
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Another thing they both have in common: They are both dead!!!!!!!!1111!
You know who else is dead? Hitler.
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At this point I should point out that my paintings from college looked a lot like both of their painting styles while resembling Hitler's just a bit more. And like Hitler I always avoided putting people in my work because....well I always thought people ruined it.
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Kincaid was actually a decent artist, but he decided to go for the money and create what sold. Whether you like it or hate it, you can't argue with his sales figures.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
I believe Hitler and Thomas stye of painting have a lot in common.
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Looking at some Hitler:

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isc...ac.6D7pggDYHNM

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/2.../LON106_wa.jpg
This one I linked to here strikes me as one of the more garish Hitler paintings -- the color seems awful, and he puts way too much random crosshatchy stubble stuff in the foreground where you see it even if you don't want to.

This Hitler painting doesn't strike me as all that bad:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-REuDIiw3kU...vel+Europe.jpg Hitler, after all, loved architecture, and maybe it shows.

Thomas Kinkaid:

http://www.bransongrandvillage.com/i...-Thomas001.jpg


It looks to me like Kinkaid is lusher, fuller, more chock full o' details, especially insanely cheerful ones.

Hitler, from what I understand, was rather lazy -- I can't imagine him working hard enough to paint something with as much ghastly over-pretty detail in it as Kinkaid, with all that careful but horrible rendering of lighting effects.

Some of the Hitler stuff is not awful. All of the Kinkaid is worse than awful, imo.

I doubt Hitler had the skill to get all the deer and other critters right.

These are my untrained first impressions.

Hitler was, at least, a self-styled intellectual -- knew some Schopenhauer and Wagner. Kinkaid is just going for sheer kitsch. Kinkaid shows more industry, more chops.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
This post was basically frivolous in that I'm an atheist who doelsn't believe in anything supernatural. This includes woo woo of all kinds. The only similarities between Hitler and Kincade is that both were atrocious artists with Hitlers art being just a bit better.

Maybe if Hitler had specialized in cutsy garbage like Kincade he sould have supported himself with seasonal postcards featuring snow, Chris Kringle and bunnys.
I'm not going to pay any attention to this thread. You left out an apostrophe in "Hitlers".
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Oh god when I see those Kinkaide paintings I feel like I've wandered into the ficiton section of a D&D shop.

Twee I can handle. I'm even capable of managing a little "syrupy" but that stuff is like spoon feeding yourself an entire gallon of icing.
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Why are all of Kinkaide's houses on fire inside? Even in broad daylight all windows are full of a ruddy orange glow that speaks of internal fires raging.
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I do think he was a very angry, very sick man.
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And like Hitler I always avoided putting people in my work because....well I always thought people ruined it.
That's OK, as long as you don't strive to make reality imitate your art.
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No. Whatever else, Kincaid had technical skill.
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I don't think you can compare them. One was a tyrannical despot forcing his twisted ideals on masses of common people, resulting in uncountable atrocities.


Hitler, on the other hand, did wear a really ugly moustasche.
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http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/2.../LON106_wa.jpg
This one I linked to here strikes me as one of the more garish Hitler paintings -- the color seems awful, and he puts way too much random crosshatchy stubble stuff in the foreground where you see it even if you don't want to.
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That's the one I like, Kind of a Post Impressionist feel to it.
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Heh.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=post-...r:70,s:0,i:305

calebprime on art: "Van Gogh puts way too much field-with-daubs-of-flowers in the foreground, where you don't want to see it."

I'd be hard pressed to say why I like the Van Gogh and don't like the Hitler, other than prejudice. So, I admit incompetence. But everything Van Gogh did looks good to me, or better than good.

Maybe if I saw a better reproduction of the Hitler --or the original -- I'd like the color more. So any discussion of color-choice is compromised by distortion from the reproductions.

I think that in the Hitler I don't like the white strokes in the foreground field, because they're not differentiated from where they meet the buildings, and even extend into the buildings, especially toward the left.

That to me neither looks realistic, clever, nor good-to-look-at. If that's the way the artist felt, I don't want to go there.

I can't see why Hitler puts his purple-white little hill so much in the center in what is an otherwise peaceful scene, and how those impatient strokes are supposed to work with the sky.


As I'm seeing the Hitler in reproduction now, the color combinations are truly queasy. And when I look at the white strokes as they meet the buildings, they seem to leap off the ground for no reason. Not passion-strokes, but impatient strokes. It looks like amateur painting to me, but I couldn't say exactly why. That's where training would come in.

I can't see any reason why the building on the right is all washed out by white paint -- that's maybe the way it looked to him at the time, but it doesn't look good to me.


Van Gogh I've already fallen in love with, so I trust him even if I don't get it at first. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Turner, for example, is doing angels and birds, so all that motion and crazy brush strokes make sense, plus he puts his angel right in the center.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Engli...r:89,s:0,i:362


In good art, there's some kind of way the technique serves the expressive intent, the theme, the subject matter.

Van Gogh at his most rapturous was still a master, but I don't have the ability to say why.


Please, someone who knows what she's talking about, help me out here!



eta: another attempt at flaw-finding with the Hitler: The church is center, but it's sort of dominated by the rather sickly trio of trees. The trees dominate, but they seem to be drawn in this perfunctory way.
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Why are all of Kinkaide's houses on fire inside? Even in broad daylight all windows are full of a ruddy orange glow that speaks of internal fires raging.
Because in every Kinkaide house there is some sort of satan coven in the midst of some sort of sacrificial ritual... obviously.
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Originally Posted by calebprime View Post
Heh.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=post-...r:70,s:0,i:305

calebprime on art: "Van Gogh puts way too much field-with-daubs-of-flowers in the foreground, where you don't want to see it."

I'd be hard pressed to say why I like the Van Gogh and don't like the Hitler, other than prejudice. So, I admit incompetence. But everything Van Gogh did looks good to me, or better than good.

Maybe if I saw a better reproduction of the Hitler --or the original -- I'd like the color more. So any discussion of color-choice is compromised by distortion from the reproductions.

I think that in the Hitler I don't like the white strokes in the foreground field, because they're not differentiated from where they meet the buildings, and even extend into the buildings, especially toward the left.

That to me neither looks realistic, clever, nor good-to-look-at. If that's the way the artist felt, I don't want to go there.

I can't see why Hitler puts his purple-white little hill so much in the center in what is an otherwise peaceful scene, and how those impatient strokes are supposed to work with the sky.


As I'm seeing the Hitler in reproduction now, the color combinations are truly queasy. And when I look at the white strokes as they meet the buildings, they seem to leap off the ground for no reason. Not passion-strokes, but impatient strokes. It looks like amateur painting to me, but I couldn't say exactly why. That's where training would come in.

I can't see any reason why the building on the right is all washed out by white paint -- that's maybe the way it looked to him at the time, but it doesn't look good to me.


Van Gogh I've already fallen in love with, so I trust him even if I don't get it at first. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Turner, for example, is doing angels and birds, so all that motion and crazy brush strokes make sense, plus he puts his angel right in the center.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Engli...r:89,s:0,i:362


In good art, there's some kind of way the technique serves the expressive intent, the theme, the subject matter.

Van Gogh at his most rapturous was still a master, but I don't have the ability to say why.


Please, someone who knows what she's talking about, help me out here!



eta: another attempt at flaw-finding with the Hitler: The church is center, but it's sort of dominated by the rather sickly trio of trees. The trees dominate, but they seem to be drawn in this perfunctory way.
As another Van Gogh lover, I agree completely. I've attempted to copy several of his paintings, and still can't tell you why his techniques worked so well for him but are so hideous for me, and for so many others who have sincerely tried.

Sometimes, I think the man had a magickal brush. It was delivered by space aliens wrapped in tin foil on a dark and starry night...but I'll never know how he knew just what to do with it.
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More on Hitler the artist.

http://schikelgruber.net/artistic.html

Of particular interest to me are the two watercolors a ways into the article, on the right side.

One of them I actually like -- the perspective has this weird quality -- drawing you into this narrow courtyard.

It's right over this caption:

Quote:
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compositions are not mediocre, some
are quite decent and show a real
artistic sensitivity and talent. But
most of the good ones are more
remarkable for their architectural
composition than for the delicacy or
the inspiration of the work.
I do think that frustrated artists are dangerous!

That's why I'm going to go practice, now.
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can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?
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can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?
That would be attacking Kinkaid.
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What IS that building? If it's a house, why does it have a bell tower? If it's a church, why does it have multiple stories? Why is there a barn door at left? And why is it so close to the stream that it will flood in any heavy rain?

And, yeah, it's on fire.
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can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?
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Maybe it's not on fire, maybe it's just something inside that makes it seem that way. Or someone.

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What IS that building? If it's a house, why does it have a bell tower? If it's a church, why does it have multiple stories? Why is there a barn door at left? And why is it so close to the stream that it will flood in any heavy rain?

And, yeah, it's on fire.
I believe it is an IHOP with a firestation attached, obviously.
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So should we be purging the young in order to get the reincarnation of Kincaide-Hitler?
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Old 17th December 2012, 01:02 PM   #37
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Not all of Kinkaide's work is awful. My aunt has a rare copy of one of his earlier works, before he got too religious. It's of a lovely rustic abortion clinic, with thatched roof, improbable variety of floral life, and cobblestone paths. It's probably worth a lot of money now, almost as much as the notorious "F da Police" print of Norman Rockwell's.
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His rural abortion clinic period is right up there with Hitler's Sad Clown phase....
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Old 17th December 2012, 01:18 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by headscratcher4 View Post
His rural abortion clinic period is right up there with Hitler's Sad Clown phase....
And Rubens's "Skinny Women" period.
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Old 17th December 2012, 01:47 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
And Rubens's "Skinny Women" period.
That was before he met Shirley Partridge.
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