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Old 19th December 2012, 11:20 AM   #1
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Cops cavity-search women stopped for littering

According to the Dallas Morning News, these women (a driver and her passenger) were stopped when an officer spotted them throwing some trash out of their car - which is perfectly okay in my book. However,

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They claim that a female trooper, Kelley Helleson, used her fingers to search their anuses and vaginas — using the same latex glove — while on the side of the road in full view of passing vehicles.

They said David Farrell, a state trooper, had called Helleson to the scene after stopping the women’s vehicle and questioning them about marijuana. Farrell told them he stopped them after seeing them throw cigarette butts out of the window, according to the lawsuit.

He asked for the search because he said the women were “acting weird,” the suit said.

Farrell searched their vehicle for marijuana but didn’t find any, they said. He then tried to “morph this situation into a DWI investigation,” the lawsuit said. Angel Dobbs passed a roadside sobriety test and the women were given warnings for littering, the suit said.
OK; now, we're talking about on the side of the open road - while cars go by - illuminated by the police car's spotlights - a state trooper gave the two women a cavity search, evidently using the same glove to search all the orifices.

Frankly it sounds more like the beginning of a cheesy porn flick and it's difficult to believe anything like this really happened. But, sure enough there's dashcam footage of the entire incident.
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Old 19th December 2012, 11:25 AM   #2
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Are police in Dallas actually trained? I can't see any sort of spin which will excuse this.
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Old 19th December 2012, 11:28 AM   #3
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Ok... what... the... frack? I can't wait to hear the trooper's rationale behind this one.
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Old 19th December 2012, 11:32 AM   #4
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Assuming it happened as claimed. I myself find it hard to believe this would be done by any trooper with functional brain cells, which leads me to suspect there may be more to the story. I have no idea what more there could be, but I am curious to see all the evidence. As I understand it, right now we have what the women stopped claim happened, and nothing else.

That being said, if this is an accurate (or even mostly accurate) account of what happened, I hope the troopers involved are fired, and possibly charged. I can't see how those actions wouldn't be consdiered criminal.
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I saw a bit of this on the morning news and there is dashcam video of the searches. I only saw a bit of it and I'm not positive that it will show what is claimed, but at least we know there is some evidence.

Obviously, the dashcam will do little to clear up where the cops hand goes once it is down the persons pants, but isn't that reason to not search in this manner?
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Are police in Dallas actually trained? I can't see any sort of spin which will excuse this.
Police in the US have some difficulty with boundaries. I can tell you that, growing up in Dallas, there were some pretty horrific examples of police brutality that made the news. I imagine there was a lot more examples that never saw the light of day, were buried by the press, or buried by the coroner. Living in LA county later, I saw lots of examples of police misconduct in the news there (you may recall a guy by the name of Rodney King). Portland Oregon has a pretty ****** up police force as well.

So really, in every city I've ever lived in for any length of time I saw examples of police behaving in the most unprofessional, thuggish and violent manner, more worthy of a criminal gang than a law enforcement organization.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
According to the Dallas Morning News, these women (a driver and her passenger) were stopped when an officer spotted them throwing some trash out of their car - which is perfectly okay in my book. However,



OK; now, we're talking about on the side of the open road - while cars go by - illuminated by the police car's spotlights - a state trooper gave the two women a cavity search, evidently using the same glove to search all the orifices.

Frankly it sounds more like the beginning of a cheesy porn flick and it's difficult to believe anything like this really happened. But, sure enough there's dashcam footage of the entire incident.
Joking aside, is his even the kind of thing they'd do outside a private room in a station?
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Old 19th December 2012, 12:03 PM   #8
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Joking aside, is his even the kind of thing they'd do outside a private room in a station?
I suspect not, which is part of the reason it has me so confused.

The dashcam video (you can watch the entire thing at the link) clearly shows the officer working her hand down the back of each woman's pants, then turning the subjects around and working her hand down the front of each woman's pants, while wearing a rubber glove. I'm familiar with frisk searches through the outside of one's clothing; but I can't imagine a non-invasive procedural reason for an officer to be sticking his/her hand down someone's pants. I realize that some are saying "we just have the womens' word" that the officer searches their orifices - but someone, please explain to me what the legitimate, non-cavity-search alternative is - tell me what this officer was doing if not what these women described?
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Old 19th December 2012, 12:07 PM   #9
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Old 19th December 2012, 12:38 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I suspect not, which is part of the reason it has me so confused.

The dashcam video (you can watch the entire thing at the link) clearly shows the officer working her hand down the back of each woman's pants, then turning the subjects around and working her hand down the front of each woman's pants, while wearing a rubber glove. I'm familiar with frisk searches through the outside of one's clothing; but I can't imagine a non-invasive procedural reason for an officer to be sticking his/her hand down someone's pants. I realize that some are saying "we just have the womens' word" that the officer searches their orifices - but someone, please explain to me what the legitimate, non-cavity-search alternative is - tell me what this officer was doing if not what these women described?
That is not a cavity search in the usual sense of the word. No, remove your pants, drop, squat and cough.

Now putting her hands in the britches of the suspects in not SOP at all, and quite invasive. If she handled the anus and genitals of the suspects, I would assume that is a major law suit about to be won and the termination of some careers.
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Sure looks suspicious, but we also don't have all the audio and video. I suppose if the women said something (even sarcastically) like "Oh right, sure, I'm hiding a gun in my underwear" or something, it might warrant that kind of action though.
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Old 19th December 2012, 12:58 PM   #12
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I watched the video. That wasn't a cavity search.
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If that was a cavity search, then I wonder if that cop has a sideline in closeup magic, or something. Those are some fast fingers.
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Old 19th December 2012, 01:53 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
If that was a cavity search, then I wonder if that cop has a sideline in closeup magic, or something. Those are some fast fingers.
It's just as well. When a female cop cavity searches another woman, it's better to have two cameras, with one in front to catch the perp's facial expressions.

That's the way every video I've ever seen does it.
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Old 19th December 2012, 02:02 PM   #16
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It's just as well. When a female cop cavity searches another woman, it's better to have two cameras, with one in front to catch the perp's facial expressions.

That's the way every video I've ever seen does it.
If that cop is as good as she looks you'd need a camera down below as well. One of those double frame rate ones Peter Jackson uses, otherwise she could have given her a bikini wax between frames.
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That is not a cavity search in the usual sense of the word. No, remove your pants, drop, squat and cough.
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Assuming it happened as claimed. I myself find it hard to believe this would be done by any trooper with functional brain cells, which leads me to suspect there may be more to the story. I have no idea what more there could be, but I am curious to see all the evidence. As I understand it, right now we have what the women stopped claim happened, and nothing else.

That being said, if this is an accurate (or even mostly accurate) account of what happened, I hope the troopers involved are fired, and possibly charged. I can't see how those actions wouldn't be consdiered criminal.
The video form the dash-cam is pretty damning. While I can't rule out the possibility that there is more here than meets the eye, if I take that video at face value, the only reason for the invasive search was the first trooper's observation that he smelled marijuana in the car. Even if this is "probable cause" for an invasive body search (a mind-boggling idea in and of itself), to do this on the side of the road is simply inexcusable. Maybe there's more to the story, but I have a hard time imagining what there could be that would justify that. I hate to see the taxpayers of Dallas get stuck with the bill, but I think these women are in line for some serious money.
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The video form the dash-cam is pretty damning. While I can't rule out the possibility that there is more here than meets the eye, if I take that video at face value, the only reason for the invasive search was the first trooper's observation that he smelled marijuana in the car. Even if this is "probable cause" for an invasive body search (a mind-boggling idea in and of itself), to do this on the side of the road is simply inexcusable. Maybe there's more to the story, but I have a hard time imagining what there could be that would justify that. I hate to see the taxpayers of Dallas get stuck with the bill, but I think these women are in line for some serious money.
Yup. There's a reason the "pat down" exists and it's because society tends to frown upon both undressing in public and police officers shoving their hands down citizens' pants, unless there's something dangerous reasonably believed to be in there. While I acknowledge the power of the vagina, I don't consider it per se dangerous.

No, it's not truly a cavity search but it's gross, demeaning, and potentially traumatizing. I don't think the words "sexual assault" are out of line.
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Yup. There's a reason the "pat down" exists and it's because society tends to frown upon both undressing in public and police officers shoving their hands down citizens' pants, unless there's something dangerous reasonably believed to be in there. While I acknowledge the power of the vagina, I don't consider it per se dangerous.

No, it's not truly a cavity search but it's gross, demeaning, and potentially traumatizing. I don't think the words "sexual assault" are out of line.
It appears to be a case of the "War on Drugs" gone wild. Seriously, do we really need to allow police officers to violate people this way, just so they can't get away with hiding a few grams of marijuana?
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It appears to be a case of the "War on Drugs" gone wild. Seriously, do we really need to allow police officers to violate people this way, just so they can't get away with hiding a few grams of marijuana?
If the police acted in the way alleged in Australia I believe they would be charged with sexual assault.
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The phrase used in Dallas (and Houston) by the police in the 70's was "You might beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

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Kind of hard to tell if the cop was merely searching the crotch or the body cavity. The second search seemed to take longer.

It doesn't show the cop changing gloves between women. That alone is an infectious disease hazard. You could spread herpes from one person to the other. And definitely searching the anal area then the vaginal area could easily cause a bladder infection hazard.

I didn't see any oral cavity search.

I think the cop claiming the women were acting weird and he smelled pot to be very specious. And having not found any pot suggests it's doubtful he actually really smelled any.

I think the cop was unprofessional. He should have ticketed them for littering and left it at that. Seemed like he wanted to find something and wasted everyone's time looking.
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If the police acted in the way alleged in Australia I believe they would be charged with sexual assault.
Why? Can't a female cop search a female suspect?

I did think snapping the bra was a little tacky.
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It appears to be a case of the "War on Drugs" gone wild. Seriously, do we really need to allow police officers to violate people this way, just so they can't get away with hiding a few grams of marijuana?
I agree with you here. I thought the cops could pat people down at the scene to find weapons and really needed more to go on than they're acting funny or I think I smell something to do an on scene cavity search. I wonder what the dept policy is on that?
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I think the cop was unprofessional. He should have ticketed them for littering and left it at that. Seemed like he wanted to find something and wasted everyone's time looking.
Probably having a bad day or one/both of the women got smart mouthed with him/them, so, boom, let's show them the power of being a cop. Exactly the sort of officer who should be flushed with no pension or benefits; better to do it now before someone ends up in a hospital or grave.
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I watched the video. That wasn't a cavity search.
Didn't seem like it with the first woman especially. The second woman it was harder to say where the cop actually stuck her fingers.
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Whether it was a technically-correct "cavity search" in the definite procedural sense of the word, it was an invasive assault and out of line.
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I do not think any cop should have the authority to do that . . . . . keep giving them the ok and our rights keep going away.
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The officers involved need harsh disciplining. This is absolutely not ok.
And the only actual "crime" being investigated was a cigarette butt being thrown out the window?
Except for the unprovable but frequently levied claim of a "smell of marijuana."
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Why? Can't a female cop search a female suspect?
Not in those circumstances they can't, and certainly not over such a trivial offence as possessing grass.
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Not in those circumstances they can't, and certainly not over such a trivial offence as possessing grass.
Well on that point, I totally agree with you.
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That is way too much authority. Search the car, if there is no evidence, let them go. There is no way an officer should be allowed to perform a search like that unless the suspect is under arrests.
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According to the updated link, the female trooper has now been suspended.
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If the police acted in the way alleged in Australia I believe they would be charged with sexual assault.
If the DA finds credible evidence of the claim by the women, the officer will most certainly be brought up on charges.

This whole situation is ****** up. To do that, especially on the side of the road, is absurd.
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The video form the dash-cam is pretty damning. While I can't rule out the possibility that there is more here than meets the eye, if I take that video at face value, the only reason for the invasive search was the first trooper's observation that he smelled marijuana in the car. Even if this is "probable cause" for an invasive body search (a mind-boggling idea in and of itself), to do this on the side of the road is simply inexcusable. Maybe there's more to the story, but I have a hard time imagining what there could be that would justify that. I hate to see the taxpayers of Dallas get stuck with the bill, but I think these women are in line for some serious money.
Yeah, I missed that there was dash cam footage before.

While this most likely was not a cavity search, still definately inappropriate and an abuse of position.

The ONLY way I could think this would be even remotely tolerable is if the women had made specific comments about having drugs in their pants (or if there was strong evidence they were, at the time, carrying drugs...and no, "I thought I smelled pot" isn't strong evidence). Even then, on the side of the road is not the right place for this kind of search.
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Old 20th December 2012, 06:57 AM   #38
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This is what it takes apparently, can't have a people just choosing to use a gate way drug. Don't mess with Texas.
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Your state really does suck.
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The officers involved need harsh disciplining.
Yes, especially the female trooper. Very harsh disciplining. In public.
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