Let's Start a Political Party

The idea · 21st June 2004, 06:49 PM

Who's interested?

First, let's give it a name. We need some ideas.

How about "Put your X here"?
How about "None of the above"?
How about "Competence plus integrity"?
How about "Kinder Gentler Party"?

Whyatica · 21st June 2004, 07:30 PM

None of the above sounds best.

crimresearch · 21st June 2004, 08:50 PM

How about the N P A?

'No Politicians Allowed' party

peptoabysmal · 21st June 2004, 09:20 PM

Uh...

FDP ... the Fair Dinkum Party.

rdaneel · 21st June 2004, 09:31 PM

Godless Materialist Party?

Mycroft · 21st June 2004, 10:17 PM

Let's just hijack the Libertarian party, I hear that's not too hard to do.

Frank Newgent · 21st June 2004, 10:59 PM

<marquee>NEWSFLASH:How about the League of Nihilistic Solipsism? If you are a genuine solipsist then you believe no one else could consider not joining the League. If you are not a genuine nihilist then you would not deny it. If you are not a genuine solipsist then you do not belong in the League. If you are a genuine nihilist then rejection of any other League is necessary.
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[size=1/4]thanks Cain[/size]

Mr Manifesto · 21st June 2004, 11:08 PM

Let's build a snowman.

rdaneel · 22nd June 2004, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Let's build a snowman.

Lets make it a strawman, more expertise around.

Frank Newgent · 24th June 2004, 06:08 AM

Quote:

<marquee>NEWSFLASH:How about the League of Nihilistic Solipsism? If you are a genuine solipsist then you believe no one else could consider not joining the League. If you are not a genuine nihilist then you would not deny it. If you are not a genuine solipsist then you do not belong in the League. If you are a genuine nihilist then rejection of any other League is necessary.
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The following is a Preamble to the party platform of the League of Nihilistic Solipsism.

1 - As representatives of the League of Nihilistic Solipsism, "we" hang tough in a world of epistemological failure and cosmic purposelessness; a world in which nihilical solipsists, along with other proto-phenomena and apparent p-zombies, are, every now and again, sovereign over existential horror and emotional anguish, and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her repudiation of all imposed values for the benefit of others' nonlinguistic illusions.

2 - "We" observe that the bodies of other human beings behave as my body does in similar circumstances and, so, infer that the mental life and series of mental events which characteristically accompany my bodily behaviour - today, quite possibly, suicide - are also present in the case of others. It is further observed that the banality inherent in any recognition that such behavior is not necessarily meaningful oft subverts critical tools and seems to make inescapable an environment where pointless ideas can be imposed forcibly with little resistance.

3 - Consequently, "we" defend each person's right to engage in any series of astounding improbabilities most likely destined to fail after a lifetime of meaningless suffering. And although within the world "we" picture one does not absolve his or her self of arbiting ultimate moral responsibility, there may very well be times when wandering the streets wearing a sign "I am not drunk. I am crazy. Give me some goddamn money!" will just have to do. It helps to be good looking and well spoken when alienated by a crippling spiritual emptiness.

4 - In the party platform "we" will set forth our basic principles and enumerate various policy stands derived from those principles. These specific policies are not the goal, however. Decades of scientific inquiry and careful research have ended within a perspective of utter futility for life and universal existence and the unavoidable conclusion that there is no point.

Dorian Gray · 24th June 2004, 06:29 AM

The We Know What's Best for America Party

GroundStrength · 24th June 2004, 06:55 AM

The Non-Stop Party!

AtheistArchon · 24th June 2004, 07:26 AM

- A political party consisting of... whom? Skeptics worldwide? Whose government shall we attach ourselves to?

- The ideal political party (in my mind anyway) is one of mere humanity. But meh, never happen.

CapelDodger · 24th June 2004, 02:50 PM

from AtheistArchon:

Quote:

The ideal political party (in my mind anyway) is one of mere humanity. But meh, never happen.

Not with that attitude. LNS - why take less?

CapelDodger · 24th June 2004, 03:03 PM

Frank Newgent: That's brilliant. I'm in, just for the social life. One so seldom gets to meet fellow solipsists (stolen, sadly).

Frank Newgent · 25th June 2004, 05:54 AM

The League reluctantly awards its ambassadorship to the Iraqi transitional government to American.

How about the League's Welsh adjutant to the US federal prosecutors' special counsel investigating possible White House felonies, CapelDodger?

[size=1/2]Scene from League's post-election party[/size]

BillyTK · 25th June 2004, 06:31 AM

I would join the League, except that no-one can prove to me why I should, and I don't really care anyway.

So I guess I'm a member by default?

Frank Newgent · 25th June 2004, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BillyTK

I would join the League, except that no-one can prove to me why I should, and I don't really care anyway.

So I guess I'm a member by default?

Join the League? You've always been in the League.

AtheistArchon · 25th June 2004, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Join the League? You've always been in the League.

- What a great shot. It brings back creepy memories of that movie. Jack's face, of course, if enough on its own.

CapelDodger · 25th June 2004, 03:01 PM

Nihilism - what's not to like?

Solipsim - it's about YOU!

As adjutant in the White House inquiries, I pledge that the first thing I'll do is get Rumsfeld to stand on his tippy-toes for eight hours. That's not to get information, just for the sake of it.

Rather than classify "me" as Welsh (long story there), shouldn't this be a world-wide movement? There are lots of people out there that need the solace nihilistic solipsim has to offer "them".

Frank Newgent · 25th June 2004, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CapelDodger

Rather than classify "me" as Welsh (long story there), shouldn't this be a world-wide movement? There are lots of people out there that need the solace nihilistic solipsim has to offer "them".

Enjoyed your fun with nationalism. You saved me from being the thread killer.

Mentioned nationality only to compensate for the League's Iraqi ambassador. And out of concern that if broad-minded universal brotherhood clocks in prematurely that Big Mac wrappers will just end up all over the floor at The Hague.

Rear dwarf in the dinosaur suit? No more with Nihilistic Solipsism!

sorgoth · 25th June 2004, 08:06 PM

The Grumpy Old Skeptics!

Our party line: Your opinion is wrong .

CapelDodger · 26th June 2004, 04:25 PM

"Your" opinion may be wrong, but who the hell are "you"? As a Nihilistic Solipsist (damn, I've got myself an ideology. Never saw that coming) I recognise that as a manifestation of me being wrong. Which is democratic.

Go on, prove me right. To the satisfaction of crackmonkey. (Trick challenge : there is no satisfying crackmonkey. Gotta respect that.)

21st June 2004, 06:49 PM	#1
The idea Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,547	Let's Start a Political Party Who's interested? First, let's give it a name. We need some ideas. How about "Put your X here"? How about "None of the above"? How about "Competence plus integrity"? How about "Kinder Gentler Party"?
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21st June 2004, 07:30 PM	#2
Whyatica Chatroom Über-god Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 412	None of the above sounds best.
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21st June 2004, 08:50 PM	#3
crimresearch Alumbrado Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,618	How about the N P A? 'No Politicians Allowed' party
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21st June 2004, 09:20 PM	#4
peptoabysmal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,467	Uh... FDP ... the Fair Dinkum Party.
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21st June 2004, 09:31 PM	#5
rdaneel Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK!!! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 2,028	Godless Materialist Party?
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21st June 2004, 10:17 PM	#6
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,105	Let's just hijack the Libertarian party, I hear that's not too hard to do.
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21st June 2004, 10:59 PM	#7
Frank Newgent Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,672	No one but me to repudiate the party platform. <marquee>NEWSFLASH:How about the League of Nihilistic Solipsism? If you are a genuine solipsist then you believe no one else could consider not joining the League. If you are not a genuine nihilist then you would not deny it. If you are not a genuine solipsist then you do not belong in the League. If you are a genuine nihilist then rejection of any other League is necessary. </marquee> [size=1/4]thanks Cain[/size]
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21st June 2004, 11:08 PM	#8
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	Let's build a snowman.

22nd June 2004, 12:16 AM	#9
rdaneel Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK!!! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 2,028	Quote: Originally posted by Mr Manifesto Let's build a snowman. Lets make it a strawman, more expertise around.
	__________________ "Let me guess, my theories appall you, my heresies outrage you, I never answer letters, and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science!" - Agatha Heterodyne

24th June 2004, 06:08 AM	#10
Frank Newgent Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,672	Quote: <marquee>NEWSFLASH:How about the League of Nihilistic Solipsism? If you are a genuine solipsist then you believe no one else could consider not joining the League. If you are not a genuine nihilist then you would not deny it. If you are not a genuine solipsist then you do not belong in the League. If you are a genuine nihilist then rejection of any other League is necessary. </marquee> The following is a Preamble to the party platform of the League of Nihilistic Solipsism. 1 - As representatives of the League of Nihilistic Solipsism, "we" hang tough in a world of epistemological failure and cosmic purposelessness; a world in which nihilical solipsists, along with other proto-phenomena and apparent p-zombies, are, every now and again, sovereign over existential horror and emotional anguish, and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her repudiation of all imposed values for the benefit of others' nonlinguistic illusions. 2 - "We" observe that the bodies of other human beings behave as my body does in similar circumstances and, so, infer that the mental life and series of mental events which characteristically accompany my bodily behaviour - today, quite possibly, suicide - are also present in the case of others. It is further observed that the banality inherent in any recognition that such behavior is not necessarily meaningful oft subverts critical tools and seems to make inescapable an environment where pointless ideas can be imposed forcibly with little resistance. 3 - Consequently, "we" defend each person's right to engage in any series of astounding improbabilities most likely destined to fail after a lifetime of meaningless suffering. And although within the world "we" picture one does not absolve his or her self of arbiting ultimate moral responsibility, there may very well be times when wandering the streets wearing a sign "I am not drunk. I am crazy. Give me some goddamn money!" will just have to do. It helps to be good looking and well spoken when alienated by a crippling spiritual emptiness. 4 - In the party platform "we" will set forth our basic principles and enumerate various policy stands derived from those principles. These specific policies are not the goal, however. Decades of scientific inquiry and careful research have ended within a perspective of utter futility for life and universal existence and the unavoidable conclusion that there is no point.
	__________________ Disturbances of the semantic reactions in connection with faulty education and ignorance must be considered as sub-microscopic colloidal lesions - Alfred O. Korzybski

24th June 2004, 06:29 AM	#11
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,193	The We Know What's Best for America Party

24th June 2004, 06:55 AM	#12
GroundStrength Scourge of the Attentionwhore Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Houston Baby! Posts: 649	The Non-Stop Party!

24th June 2004, 07:26 AM	#13
AtheistArchon Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 589	- A political party consisting of... whom? Skeptics worldwide? Whose government shall we attach ourselves to? - The ideal political party (in my mind anyway) is one of mere humanity. But meh, never happen.
AtheistArchon Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 589

24th June 2004, 02:50 PM	#14
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	from AtheistArchon: Quote: The ideal political party (in my mind anyway) is one of mere humanity. But meh, never happen. Not with that attitude. LNS - why take less?
	__________________ It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150

24th June 2004, 03:03 PM	#15
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	Frank Newgent: That's brilliant. I'm in, just for the social life. One so seldom gets to meet fellow solipsists (stolen, sadly).
	__________________ It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150

25th June 2004, 05:54 AM	#16
Frank Newgent Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,672	The League reluctantly awards its ambassadorship to the Iraqi transitional government to American. How about the League's Welsh adjutant to the US federal prosecutors' special counsel investigating possible White House felonies, CapelDodger? [size=1/2]Scene from League's post-election party[/size]
	__________________ Disturbances of the semantic reactions in connection with faulty education and ignorance must be considered as sub-microscopic colloidal lesions - Alfred O. Korzybski

25th June 2004, 06:31 AM	#17
BillyTK Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,625	I would join the League, except that no-one can prove to me why I should, and I don't really care anyway. So I guess I'm a member by default?
BillyTK Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,625	__________________ Part-timer.

25th June 2004, 11:33 AM	#18
Frank Newgent Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,672	Quote: Originally posted by BillyTK I would join the League, except that no-one can prove to me why I should, and I don't really care anyway. So I guess I'm a member by default? Join the League? You've always been in the League.
	__________________ Disturbances of the semantic reactions in connection with faulty education and ignorance must be considered as sub-microscopic colloidal lesions - Alfred O. Korzybski

25th June 2004, 11:40 AM	#19
AtheistArchon Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 589	Quote: Join the League? You've always been in the League. - What a great shot. It brings back creepy memories of that movie. Jack's face, of course, if enough on its own.
AtheistArchon Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 589

25th June 2004, 03:01 PM	#20
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	Nihilism - what's not to like? Solipsim - it's about YOU! As adjutant in the White House inquiries, I pledge that the first thing I'll do is get Rumsfeld to stand on his tippy-toes for eight hours. That's not to get information, just for the sake of it. Rather than classify "me" as Welsh (long story there), shouldn't this be a world-wide movement? There are lots of people out there that need the solace nihilistic solipsim has to offer "them".
	__________________ It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150

25th June 2004, 07:54 PM	#21
Frank Newgent Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,672	Quote: Originally posted by CapelDodger Rather than classify "me" as Welsh (long story there), shouldn't this be a world-wide movement? There are lots of people out there that need the solace nihilistic solipsim has to offer "them". Enjoyed your fun with nationalism. You saved me from being the thread killer. Mentioned nationality only to compensate for the League's Iraqi ambassador. And out of concern that if broad-minded universal brotherhood clocks in prematurely that Big Mac wrappers will just end up all over the floor at The Hague. Rear dwarf in the dinosaur suit? No more with Nihilistic Solipsism!
	__________________ Disturbances of the semantic reactions in connection with faulty education and ignorance must be considered as sub-microscopic colloidal lesions - Alfred O. Korzybski

25th June 2004, 08:06 PM	#22
sorgoth Muse Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 977	The Grumpy Old Skeptics! Our party line: Your opinion is wrong .
sorgoth Muse Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 977	__________________ L'univers et moi, nous sommes seuls ensemble.

26th June 2004, 04:25 PM	#23
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	"Your" opinion may be wrong, but who the hell are "you"? As a Nihilistic Solipsist (damn, I've got myself an ideology. Never saw that coming) I recognise that as a manifestation of me being wrong. Which is democratic. Go on, prove me right. To the satisfaction of crackmonkey. (Trick challenge : there is no satisfying crackmonkey. Gotta respect that.)
	__________________ It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150