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Old 26th December 2012, 04:28 PM   #161
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your lack of ability to read sarcasm is stundie worthy

most of your posts are stundie worthy,many of the anti-gun posts have been like watching an eplileptic type with his feet while frothing at the mouth filled with smugmatic angry rage!!

If you only knew how much I laugh at the posts in these threads. Heck I had stopped posting in them (cuz it was about as pointless as putting hats on jellyfish) but I have been lurking for the LULZ!!!


nothing ever got solved by pointing at screaming at it.... well, I guess a few folks got burned as witches that way
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Old 26th December 2012, 04:35 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by StankApe View Post
your lack of ability to read sarcasm is stundie worthy

most of your posts are stundie worthy,many of the anti-gun posts have been like watching an eplileptic type with his feet while frothing at the mouth filled with smugmatic angry rage!!

If you only knew how much I laugh at the posts in these threads. Heck I had stopped posting in them (cuz it was about as pointless as putting hats on jellyfish) but I have been lurking for the LULZ!!!


nothing ever got solved by pointing at screaming at it.... well, I guess a few folks got burned as witches that way
Well only after they check to see if they float... No wait, that's a duck. You have to see if they weight more than a log... or was that a stone. Witch math is hard.
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Old 26th December 2012, 04:50 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Brian-M View Post
It has been done... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ool-crash.html

Three students in critical condition, five others injured. Don't know if it was a Holden, though.
I'll give you that, but intent hasn't been proven.

My post was to refute the specious logic raised that cars are deadlier than guns.

a) cars aren't designed to kill

b) cars aren't the weapon of choice in a mass killing

c) Australia has never had anyone try to commit mass murder in a school with a car (Holden, Ford, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota or otherwise)



Anyway, the analogy is specious as one requires a licence to drive a car and the road laws are heavily policed. One also requires a licence to own a gun and the laws are heavily policed. One needs to fence a pool with childproof gates in order to install a pool, and these are inspected upon completion. The availability of prescription drugs is regulated and narcotics are on the banned substances list. All these laws are designed to reduce the death rate associated with the items, not to remove or infringe upon personal rights.

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Old 26th December 2012, 04:56 PM   #164
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i start to understand where the problem is with the US and their gun nutters. sick, just sick.
Because I shoot weapons with my child, family, and friends?

Cool, your baseless and ignorant opinion is noted, and dismissed as exactly that.
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:10 PM   #165
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Freedom?

You might want to have a look at this set of indices, where Australia is rated higher than the US as far as freedom is concerned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

Of course, because you put emotion over reason, you will reject this analysis.
Really? This is what you've stooped to? This opinion piece, based on nothing factual, just a person's opinion?

Awesome. We'll make sure to start using letters to the editor over scientific research..... Good call!!

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And you didn't address my points at all. Because you can't.
No, because they're stupid, and don't come close to addressing the problem. Because YOU can't.
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Calling guns a "guy thing" is demeaning to women?
Yes, I'd agree. So would my wife, and both her sisters. And their mother (as crazy as that old woman is)....

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Cars are a guy thing... tools are a guy thing....
Sometimes.

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There's a ton of "guy things" that women also use. I just don't hear any women doing the whole "pry them from my cold, dead hands" crap.
Actually, my wife used those exact words yesterday.

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This I'll buy. Although the "passion" sometimes, to me, borders on paranoid. That's the problem with the gun culture.
I don't understand. Can you elaborate for me?
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:31 PM   #167
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So only adults should learn how to shoot firearms?

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Old 26th December 2012, 05:33 PM   #168
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We don't give a **** how they do it in Australia. Nor do we give a **** how Australians feel about our guns.
By "we" you mean "people who agree with you." You don't seem to give a **** how gun control advocates feel about your guns either. You're post here is pointless.
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:35 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
I actually agree with you. Giving a firearm to a child without any supervision is definitely a no go. Letting a child hold a firearm for a picture though? Perfectly acceptable. I know this sounds absolutely deplorable to some of the individuals on this forum (Especially the foreigners who don't understand our culture), but us responsible gun owners feel that educating children about the proper use of guns at a young age is much more responsible then shielding them from them their whole lives and telling them "Guns are bad be very afraid!"
I take it you're against laws prohibiting children from doing other adult activities?
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:37 PM   #170
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Some?

Maybe I'm too invested in one side of this, because from my perspective, gun nuts as a whole make themselves all but immune to satire.
Yes, some. Not all. Not even a majority. Some. You're too used to using that broad brush. Stop it.

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Look at gun nut Ted Nugent, telling a hepped-up crowd of fellow gun nuts at a gun nut convention that he's gonna end up dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected.
Which I found particularly stupid, as did most in my circles.

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Look at the gun nut who sued a gun company because he handed his 8-year-old a machine gun, and, golly gee, the kid ended up blowing his own brains out.
IMO, the father should have been brought up on negligent homicide, and booked into jail. As did, again, most everybody I shot with yesterday.

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Or look at Adam Lanza's gun nut mother, arming her mentally ill son against the day when Newtown CT reverts to the law of the jungle.
Which you have no idea how he got. The only thing we do know, is that he got the weapons, somehow.
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:42 PM   #171
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Yes.
What about children that enlist in the military?

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Old 26th December 2012, 05:42 PM   #172
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By "we" you mean "people who agree with you." You don't seem to give a **** how gun control advocates feel about your guns either.
No, I mean, we, as in, the huge number of Americans that I've talked to about this exact topic.

And no, I don't care what GC advocates THINK. What I do care about, is what they try to DO with my guns.

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You're post here is pointless.
And your post is any better?
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:43 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I take it you're against laws prohibiting children from doing other adult activities?
Such as?
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:51 PM   #174
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What about children that enlist in the military?

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Children should not be able to enlist in the military.
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Old 26th December 2012, 05:53 PM   #175
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Such as?
Starring in pornographic movies.
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Old 26th December 2012, 06:01 PM   #176
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Starring in pornographic movies.

So just as extras and in supporting roles?
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So just as extras and in supporting roles?
Only with adult supervision.
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Old 26th December 2012, 06:06 PM   #178
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how do you know?
Oh please.

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your argument from emotion is amusing, pointless and is just you wanting to take things away from people due to political reasons. (most anti-gun people make the silly assumption that ALL gun owners are right winged jesus followers, which is completely wrong)
Ah.. I see. You're one of them there folks who think "gun control" means "Gun Banning" - which makes you paranoid, thus the spike in gun ownership. See, it's not black and white. And anybody who thinks it is, is mistaken. People who advocate for gun CONTROL aren't asking for a ban on guns. Do both extremes exist? Sure. But as with pretty much everything you can conjure up, the extremes are hardly the norm.

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every single argument against gun ownership in the USA has been based on nothing but calling the opposition names, hyperbole, and emotion.
That's a lot of wrong packed into a sentence. not too shabby.

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If you have a problem with the 2nd amendment, then lobby to repeal it. Otherwise, close the piehole.
Ah.. black and white again.
Problem = Remove. Got it.

Till you and YOUR KIND are able to have a reasonable discussion, nothing will get done. I'll bet you've waxed your skies already and are headed for the top of slippery slope, eh?
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Old 26th December 2012, 06:25 PM   #179
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Children should not be able to enlist in the military.
But they can. So, take that up with congress.

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Starring in pornographic movies.
Sorry, you're taking this in a WHOLE nother direction.

Let's talk about things that are LEGAL, shall we? Because that, is just stupid.

Nice attempt at getting me banned though.....
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Old 26th December 2012, 06:36 PM   #180
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Pornography IS legal.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Pornography IS legal.
Child pornography is not.

Wanna take another stab?
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
Child pornography is not.

Wanna take another stab?
I didn't ask what is legal or not.

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I take it you're against laws prohibiting children from doing other adult activities?
I asked what other adult activities should be legal. Apparently, you're not against some laws that make it illegal for children to do adult things.
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Now you're using sophistry.......

Wanna actually try again? Or is that just a one trick show?
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Old 26th December 2012, 07:17 PM   #184
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Now you're using sophistry.......

Wanna actually try again? Or is that just a one trick show?
Sophistry? Hardly. I think learning how to kill should be restricted to adults. Just as you think pornography should be restricted to adults.
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So, one trick. Gotcha.

I don't teach my son how to kill. So, thanks for playing.
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Sophistry? Hardly. I think learning how to kill should be restricted to adults. Just as you think pornography should be restricted to adults.
You seriously don't see the false analogy here?
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So, one trick. Gotcha.

I don't teach my son how to kill. So, thanks for playing.
Learning how to shoot a gun = killing.
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Learning how to shoot a gun = killing.
Major logic fail!
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Learning how to shoot a gun = killing.
Time to stop.
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Time to stop.
Nope. The reason for target practice is to become a better killer, whether a person wants to kill or not is a different question. I learn martial arts to be a better fighter, but choose not to fight.
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Ok, glad I wasn't the only one who went, WTF?

Ken, go to sleep man. I think you've had enough for the day....
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Ok, glad I wasn't the only one who went, WTF?

Ken, go to sleep man. I think you've had enough for the day....
Then what is the purpose to become a better marksman?
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To shoot more accurately. For entertainment and sporting values.
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To shoot more accurately. For entertainment and sporting values.
Which could be gained in many other avenues. Why a firearm?
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Nope. The reason for target practice is to become a better killer, whether a person wants to kill or not is a different question. I learn martial arts to be a better fighter, but choose not to fight.
The reason I was taught to shoot and hunt as a child was that if the depression ever came back, I could feed myself and my family, if necassary.

You might find that odd or funny depending, but for people who lived through the depression,hunting and fishing is what kept them from starving.

Make of that what you will, but any martial artist that looks down their nose at someone training in another martial discipline is more of a character out of an HK martial arts movie than a social critic.
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Hunting is killing. However, I can respect that. These people above that want to pretend that learning to shoot is just for fun, and not learning how to kill, is silly.

Learning martial arts is learning how to fight, it doesn't matter if it's Aikido or Muay Thai. It's fighting. When I teach kids, I tell them that what they are doing is learning how to fight. Not just "target practice."
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Nope. The reason for target practice is to become a better killer, whether a person wants to kill or not is a different question. I learn martial arts to be a better fighter, but choose not to fight.
I guess that depends upon what kind of martial arts you are learning. As far as I am concerned, some of what passes for martial arts training is little more than learning how to dance at a McDojo.

Ask a real soldier if target practice is the same as learning how to kill. They might laugh at you.

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Hunting is killing. However, I can respect that. These people above that want to pretend that learning to shoot is just for fun, and not learning how to kill, is silly.

Learning martial arts is learning how to fight, it doesn't matter if it's Aikido or Muay Thai. It's fighting. When I teach kids, I tell them that what they are doing is learning how to fight. Not just "target practice."
Yes it does indeed matter. Learning modern sports karate is not learning how to fight except in the most abstract. Same with almost all forms of modern fencing. You might as well claim bowling is learning how to repel assaults.

We are not several steps from shooting however. Your hyperbole is all around misplaced.
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Old 26th December 2012, 09:00 PM   #199
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
I guess that depends upon what kind of martial arts you are learning. As far as I am concerned, some of what passes for martial arts training is little more than learning how to dance at a McDojo.
Regardless, they believe they are learning how to fight.

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Ask a real soldier if target practice is the same as learning how to kill. They might laugh at you.

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Ask a soldier if target practice isn't the major focus of learning how to kill.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Hunting is killing. However, I can respect that. These people above that want to pretend that learning to shoot is just for fun, and not learning how to kill, is silly.

Learning martial arts is learning how to fight, it doesn't matter if it's Aikido or Muay Thai. It's fighting. When I teach kids, I tell them that what they are doing is learning how to fight. Not just "target practice."
You mean you don't tell them that "my kung fu is the strongest!" and go down the street to the nearest dojo to kick some unworthy student booty?

A stereotype based on fictional depictions written by individuals completely ignorant of reality isn't true?

I might need to reassess my opinions.
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