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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Milton Keynes UK
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Piers Morgan-dportation petition
Didn't see a thread on this so I though I would start one. This BBC article gives the details:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20838729 In summary in a interview with Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America Morgan said: "You're a very stupid man, aren't you? You have absolutely no coherent argument. You don't actually give a damn about the gun murder rate in America." This has prompted a petition on the Whitehouse website demanding his deportation that had attracted 31,000 signatures as of the posting of the BBC article. Now regardless of how you view Morgan's comments I have to wonder how far gone the gun lobby are. As Morgan himself put it after learning of the petition: "Ironic US gun rights campaign to deport me for 'attacking Second Amendment rights' - is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?" it does appear that for some gun lobbyists the Second Amendment is sacrosanct; the First? Not so much. |
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Somehow I don't think anything will come of this petition.
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Bierland. I mean , germany.
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I am trying to udnerstand here....
1) american made a petition for the white house 2) that petition ask for somebody in britain to be deported because he poo-poo-ed gun advocate 3) I am still trying to warp my brain that so many people thought this was a good idea, or even that the USA could ask deportation of somebody in another country which broke no law in either country. Joke ? Poe ? Real ? If this is a gun advocate PR joke , that is really bad taste. If it is not a poe, then I dunno. 31000K people ? come on ! |
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Omnes Blessant Ultima necat "I want, and this is my last and most dear wish, I want that the last of the king be strangled with the guts of the last priest" (Jean Meslier / 1664-1729 / Testament) A very early french atheist, a catholic priest in life. |
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Actually it fits in with a lot of coverage of the US gun issue here in the UK; which Piers Morgan seemed to sum up quite well even if I do find him rather a repulsive human being.
And here's a link to the petition, up to 59,998 as of writing this: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...dment/prfh5zHD |
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What I mean is that while Piers Morgan and many other people in the US and outside it, have no problem with his views, it is still a non-story because no matter how many people sign that petition, he won't be deported.
The number of people signing is also pretty small in the grand scheme of things and that is despite quite a lot of hype. In fact, what is to stop me or you siging it, for fun? |
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Bierland. I mean , germany.
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Omnes Blessant Ultima necat "I want, and this is my last and most dear wish, I want that the last of the king be strangled with the guts of the last priest" (Jean Meslier / 1664-1729 / Testament) A very early french atheist, a catholic priest in life. |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2009
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This is just retarded. Plain and simple.
Piers Morgan, and his stance on guns, is ignorant. However, I agree with what he said about the 1st Amendment. For people to fail to understand that even the most repulsive, disgusting thoughts and words, are protected. But to say he should be deported, is asinine. I mean, if we can't even do anything about the Westboro Baptist pukes, what makes people think that PM will be deported? What's ironic, is the document that give him the right to free speech, is the same one that gives me and everyone else the right to keep my guns. And guns are what gave us those rights. Personally, I say **** him. Who gives a dead rats rotten ass what his opinion is. Certainly not me. |
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I would deport him for crimes against journalism personally but hey you can keep him the Daily Mirror under him was a terrible paper
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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I hoped he would be deported for being a total, absolute, complete and moronic jerk. It used to amaze me that people support violating someones civil rights because they don't like the person but they will defend to the death their own right to do the same thing.
Humans are craaaazy! Piers Morgan participated in Donald Trump's ridiculous "Celebrity Apprentice" so he has no credibility with me. |
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The petition is nothing more then a LOL. On a side not Piers Morgan is an idiot and is more then welcome to gtfo if is he is so opposed to how we roll.
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Over 30000 for "Secure resources and funding, and begin construction of a Death Star by 2016."
The most popular currently active petition is "Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group." (245000) |
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Are you sure about that? I wonder if the first amendment actually does protect him. As it is the wording itself does not, but there may indeed be case law that will protect him. The right to freedom of speech in the US is only that which has come about through Supreme Court decisions, and not the US constitution itself.
Well, the same amendment that would supposedly protect his right to freedom of speech would also protect his right to shoddy journalism. At least, I would assume so. But maybe the Supreme Court has made rulings on shoddy journalism too. I do not know. I don't get it. Are you actually supporting deporting him for being a jerk and in the process of being amazed that someone's civil rights are in danger for not being liked? Would you say that anyone living in the US should either support all laws as they exist now or else gtfo? Because that would presumably mean that anyone who opposed slavery in the US pre-1863 should gtfo if they didn't like the way the US rolled. |
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Do people really not realize the petition is a joke?
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Fixed that for you.
And please, please Americans your 1st amendment most be upheld, you must not allow him to be deported for expressing his opinion, that would be a terrible stain on America's reputation and a win for Them!!! He is an odious, dishonest, egotist - we don't want him back! |
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If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008
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You let Prize Moron in and gave him a job.
He's your problem now. |
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In the unlikely even you deport (or just plain run him out of the country) we don't want him back!!!
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The White House petition site while started with noble intent, has devolved into just another canvas for budding internet comedians to ply their craft just like craigslist and Amazon product reviews.
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I am wholly opposed to the deportation of Piers Morgan.
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Maybe we should start one for Celene Dion...
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A Piers Morgan is for life not just for Xmas. Keep him.
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Who really gives a **** what a load of neo-religious gun nuts think about anyone from anywhere?
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Sadly bigots and hypocrites (think 1st Amendment) still walk among us.
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(*Tired of continuing to hear the "Democrat Party" repeatedly I've decided to adopt the name, |
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Why call them bigots - the hypocrite label I can understand but not the bigot label. I am sure some of them are bigots but this reaction seems to be based on something he has actually said/done and his personal characteristics so not really how we usually use the label bigot?
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If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008
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We have spent so many years trying to get him out of this country, please don't send that **** Piers Morgan back to us. I will never forgive him for the front page he did on the Mirror when I was still serving.
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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Morgan replaced Larry King on CNN as an interviewer of celebs. I personally think he is the best interviewer of such that I have heard in a long time. Don't know about his other endeavors.
The gun people here are paranoid and angry and unbending and their lobby, the NRA, is borderline treasonous (fantasist dreaming of armed rebellion against "repressive" U.S. government.) Should the White House shut down its public petition initiative? Well, the Enraged Right, with its list of imagined grievances, has hi-jacked the petition initiative with stupid statement-making, such as the petition to deport Morgan or the one to (name the state) secede from the United States. |
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Well, maybe I worded it badly, but the point I meant was that there is no explicit right to free speech. Rather the First Amendment merely forbade Congress from infringing it and later the Supreme Court argued that the Fourteenth Amendment made it applicable to all lawmaking bodies at state level, superseding the original restriction which was only at a federal level. This "incorporation doctrine" has been assumed to follow from this bit in the 14th:
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There's the problem of Poe's law.
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