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Old 25th December 2012, 04:28 AM   #1
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Piers Morgan-dportation petition

Didn't see a thread on this so I though I would start one. This BBC article gives the details:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20838729

In summary in a interview with Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America Morgan said:

"You're a very stupid man, aren't you?

You have absolutely no coherent argument. You don't actually give a damn about the gun murder rate in America."

This has prompted a petition on the Whitehouse website demanding his deportation that had attracted 31,000 signatures as of the posting of the BBC article.

Now regardless of how you view Morgan's comments I have to wonder how far gone the gun lobby are. As Morgan himself put it after learning of the petition:

"Ironic US gun rights campaign to deport me for 'attacking Second Amendment rights' - is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?"

it does appear that for some gun lobbyists the Second Amendment is sacrosanct; the First? Not so much.
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:07 AM   #2
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Somehow I don't think anything will come of this petition.
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:12 AM   #3
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I am trying to udnerstand here....

1) american made a petition for the white house
2) that petition ask for somebody in britain to be deported because he poo-poo-ed gun advocate
3) I am still trying to warp my brain that so many people thought this was a good idea, or even that the USA could ask deportation of somebody in another country which broke no law in either country. Joke ? Poe ? Real ?

If this is a gun advocate PR joke , that is really bad taste. If it is not a poe, then I dunno. 31000K people ? come on !
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:28 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
I am trying to udnerstand here....

1) american made a petition for the white house
2) that petition ask for somebody in britain to be deported because he poo-poo-ed gun advocate
3) I am still trying to warp my brain that so many people thought this was a good idea, or even that the USA could ask deportation of somebody in another country which broke no law in either country. Joke ? Poe ? Real ?

If this is a gun advocate PR joke , that is really bad taste. If it is not a poe, then I dunno. 31000K people ? come on !
Piers Morgan is British and he lives in the US.

Presumably some people thought he could have his visa revoked for saying bad things about the 2nd amendment.

Something tells me that this is a non-story that is being hyped for fun.
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:45 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Piers Morgan is British and he lives in the US.

Presumably some people thought he could have his visa revoked for saying bad things about the 2nd amendment.

Something tells me that this is a non-story that is being hyped for fun.
Actually it fits in with a lot of coverage of the US gun issue here in the UK; which Piers Morgan seemed to sum up quite well even if I do find him rather a repulsive human being.

And here's a link to the petition, up to 59,998 as of writing this:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...dment/prfh5zHD
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Old 25th December 2012, 05:49 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Actually it fits in with a lot of coverage of the US gun issue here in the UK; which Piers Morgan seemed to sum up quite well even if I do find him rather a repulsive human being.

And here's a link to the petition, up to 59,998 as of writing this:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...dment/prfh5zHD
What I mean is that while Piers Morgan and many other people in the US and outside it, have no problem with his views, it is still a non-story because no matter how many people sign that petition, he won't be deported.

The number of people signing is also pretty small in the grand scheme of things and that is despite quite a lot of hype.

In fact, what is to stop me or you siging it, for fun?
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:05 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
What I mean is that while Piers Morgan and many other people in the US and outside it, have no problem with his views, it is still a non-story because no matter how many people sign that petition, he won't be deported.

The number of people signing is also pretty small in the grand scheme of things and that is despite quite a lot of hype.

In fact, what is to stop me or you siging it, for fun?
I find 60000 a lot , true it is only 1 out of 5000 american... But that is stilla lot.
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This is just retarded. Plain and simple.

Piers Morgan, and his stance on guns, is ignorant.

However, I agree with what he said about the 1st Amendment. For people to fail to understand that even the most repulsive, disgusting thoughts and words, are protected.

But to say he should be deported, is asinine. I mean, if we can't even do anything about the Westboro Baptist pukes, what makes people think that PM will be deported?

What's ironic, is the document that give him the right to free speech, is the same one that gives me and everyone else the right to keep my guns.

And guns are what gave us those rights.

Personally, I say **** him. Who gives a dead rats rotten ass what his opinion is. Certainly not me.
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Old 25th December 2012, 06:56 AM   #9
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I would deport him for crimes against journalism personally but hey you can keep him the Daily Mirror under him was a terrible paper
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Old 25th December 2012, 07:30 AM   #10
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I hoped he would be deported for being a total, absolute, complete and moronic jerk. It used to amaze me that people support violating someones civil rights because they don't like the person but they will defend to the death their own right to do the same thing.

Humans are craaaazy!

Piers Morgan participated in Donald Trump's ridiculous "Celebrity Apprentice" so he has no credibility with me.
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The petition is nothing more then a LOL. On a side not Piers Morgan is an idiot and is more then welcome to gtfo if is he is so opposed to how we roll.
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I would deport him for crimes against journalism personally but hey you can keep him the Daily Mirror under him was a terrible paper
Yea, but we would have to give the UK back all that money they gave us to take him...
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
I find 60000 a lot , true it is only 1 out of 5000 american... But that is stilla lot.
Over 30000 for "Secure resources and funding, and begin construction of a Death Star by 2016."

The most popular currently active petition is "Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group." (245000)
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
This is just retarded. Plain and simple.

Piers Morgan, and his stance on guns, is ignorant.

However, I agree with what he said about the 1st Amendment. For people to fail to understand that even the most repulsive, disgusting thoughts and words, are protected.
Are you sure about that? I wonder if the first amendment actually does protect him. As it is the wording itself does not, but there may indeed be case law that will protect him. The right to freedom of speech in the US is only that which has come about through Supreme Court decisions, and not the US constitution itself.

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I would deport him for crimes against journalism personally but hey you can keep him the Daily Mirror under him was a terrible paper
Well, the same amendment that would supposedly protect his right to freedom of speech would also protect his right to shoddy journalism. At least, I would assume so. But maybe the Supreme Court has made rulings on shoddy journalism too. I do not know.

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I hoped he would be deported for being a total, absolute, complete and moronic jerk. It used to amaze me that people support violating someones civil rights because they don't like the person but they will defend to the death their own right to do the same thing.
I don't get it. Are you actually supporting deporting him for being a jerk and in the process of being amazed that someone's civil rights are in danger for not being liked?

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The petition is nothing more then a LOL. On a side not Piers Morgan is an idiot and is more then welcome to gtfo if is he is so opposed to how we roll.
Would you say that anyone living in the US should either support all laws as they exist now or else gtfo? Because that would presumably mean that anyone who opposed slavery in the US pre-1863 should gtfo if they didn't like the way the US rolled.
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Do people really not realize the petition is a joke?
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
...snip...

Piers Morgan , and his stance on guns, is ignorant.


...snip...
Fixed that for you.

And please, please Americans your 1st amendment most be upheld, you must not allow him to be deported for expressing his opinion, that would be a terrible stain on America's reputation and a win for Them!!!




He is an odious, dishonest, egotist - we don't want him back!
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Do people really not realize the petition Piers Morgan is a joke?
Fixed that for you. Don't know why but some folks keep making typos when talking about Morgan.


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You let Prize Moron in and gave him a job.

He's your problem now.
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Yea, but we would have to give the UK back all that money they gave us to take him...
And the rest. Now you've got him the price has gone waaay up.
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The right to freedom of speech in the US is only that which has come about through Supreme Court decisions, and not the US constitution itself.
So which SCOTUS free speech opinion was based on something other than the Constitution?
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You let Prize Moron in and gave him a job.

He's your problem now.
Just keep him away from your phone system
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In the unlikely even you deport (or just plain run him out of the country) we don't want him back!!!
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Old 25th December 2012, 01:06 PM   #23
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The White House petition site while started with noble intent, has devolved into just another canvas for budding internet comedians to ply their craft just like craigslist and Amazon product reviews.
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I am wholly opposed to the deportation of Piers Morgan.
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I am wholly opposed to the deportation of Piers Morgan.
Please don't deport him, he might return to the UK.
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Maybe we should start one for Celene Dion...
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I am wholly opposed to the deportation of Piers Morgan.
A counter-petition to No. 10 to ask he be stopped at Heathrow is in order.
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
This is just retarded. Plain and simple.

Piers Morgan, and his stance on guns, is ignorant.

However, I agree with what he said about the 1st Amendment. For people to fail to understand that even the most repulsive, disgusting thoughts and words, are protected.

But to say he should be deported, is asinine. I mean, if we can't even do anything about the Westboro Baptist pukes, what makes people think that PM will be deported?

What's ironic, is the document that give him the right to free speech, is the same one that gives me and everyone else the right to keep my guns.

And guns are what gave us those rights.

Personally, I say **** him. Who gives a dead rats rotten ass what his opinion is. Certainly not me.
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Who really gives a **** what a load of neo-religious gun nuts think about anyone from anywhere?
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Sadly bigots and hypocrites (think 1st Amendment) still walk among us.
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The petition is nothing more then a LOL. ...
Regardless, among the people vocalizing to send the foreigner home are some serious bigots.
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Regardless, among the people vocalizing to send the foreigner home are some serious bigots.
Why call them bigots - the hypocrite label I can understand but not the bigot label. I am sure some of them are bigots but this reaction seems to be based on something he has actually said/done and his personal characteristics so not really how we usually use the label bigot?
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We have spent so many years trying to get him out of this country, please don't send that **** Piers Morgan back to us. I will never forgive him for the front page he did on the Mirror when I was still serving.
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Who really gives a **** what a load of neo-religious gun nuts think about anyone from anywhere?
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
This is just retarded. Plain and simple.

Piers Morgan, and his stance on guns, is ignorant.

However, I agree with what he said about the 1st Amendment. For people to fail to understand that even the most repulsive, disgusting thoughts and words, are protected.

But to say he should be deported, is asinine. I mean, if we can't even do anything about the Westboro Baptist pukes, what makes people think that PM will be deported?

What's ironic, is the document that give him the right to free speech, is the same one that gives me and everyone else the right to keep my guns.

And guns are what gave us those rights.

Personally, I say **** him. Who gives a dead rats rotten ass what his opinion is. Certainly not me.
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Fixed that for you.

And please, please Americans your 1st amendment most be upheld, you must not allow him to be deported for expressing his opinion, that would be a terrible stain on America's reputation and a win for Them!!!




He is an odious, dishonest, egotist - we don't want him back!
LOL!! Figures.....
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Morgan replaced Larry King on CNN as an interviewer of celebs. I personally think he is the best interviewer of such that I have heard in a long time. Don't know about his other endeavors.

The gun people here are paranoid and angry and unbending and their lobby, the NRA, is borderline treasonous (fantasist dreaming of armed rebellion against "repressive" U.S. government.)

Should the White House shut down its public petition initiative? Well, the Enraged Right, with its list of imagined grievances, has hi-jacked the petition initiative with stupid statement-making, such as the petition to deport Morgan or the one to (name the state) secede from the United States.
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
So which SCOTUS free speech opinion was based on something other than the Constitution?
Well, maybe I worded it badly, but the point I meant was that there is no explicit right to free speech. Rather the First Amendment merely forbade Congress from infringing it and later the Supreme Court argued that the Fourteenth Amendment made it applicable to all lawmaking bodies at state level, superseding the original restriction which was only at a federal level. This "incorporation doctrine" has been assumed to follow from this bit in the 14th:

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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I guess that if we assume Piers Morgan is a person, then he would get equal protection to a citizen.
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Do people really not realize the petition is a joke?
There's the problem of Poe's law.
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