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Old 29th January 2013, 12:38 PM   #1081
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Originally Posted by Quad4_72 View Post
Yes, I did notice that. I also noticed that he thinks a barrel shroud and pistol grip = more innocent people killed.
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Don't you know that every time you attach an accessory, baby jesus cries?
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Lol! He'll be crying for DECADES now!!

http://www.zvirus.net/wp-content/upl...zombie-gun.jpg
Or maybe he wants to provoke reactions like to further justify his position that gun owners and a bit nuts.
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Old 29th January 2013, 12:41 PM   #1082
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Originally Posted by Unabogie View Post
No, people without access to guns aren't. It's just the people with arsenals we need to worry about.

Well, scratch that. Crazy people can just take the guns from other people's arsenals, like Adam Lanza did, and then go on a killing spree. You might be on to something here. Perhaps the problem is that people are amassing arsenals.

Thanks for the insight!
What you call an "arsenal" I call a collection.

I'm much more concerned with the person who only needs one.

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Or maybe he wants to provoke reactions like to further justify his position that gun owners and a bit nuts.
Too bad there isn't a word for that.
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Old 29th January 2013, 12:46 PM   #1083
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I'm much more concerned with the person who only needs one.



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Why?
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Old 29th January 2013, 12:51 PM   #1084
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Why?
Because a mass-shooter only needs one. More concerned relative to those with a collection.

Not to say everybody who wants just one is going to be a shooter - far from it. If I were to purchase the ACR I'd like, it would be my only one but only for financial reasons (and that was even before they doubled in price, thanks Diane! ).
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Old 29th January 2013, 01:16 PM   #1085
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For the USA, since so many criminals etc are armed, I'll add self defence. The rest of us are OK without need for DGUs.
I once asked you at what rate of homicide that would change, I dont remember you answering . . . . Clearly it must be somewhere between 2 and 5 per 100K . . .

Please forgive me if you provided the exact threshold and I missed it.
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Old 29th January 2013, 01:25 PM   #1086
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Originally Posted by triforcharity View Post
Lol! He'll be crying for DECADES now!!

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WOW!

I bet that would do a number on an unborn gay baby whale!

But, seriously, things like that give new dimension to the phrase "gilding the lily".
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Old 29th January 2013, 01:27 PM   #1087
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WOW!

I bet that would do a number on an unborn gay baby whale!

But, seriously, things like that give new dimension to the phrase "gilding the lily".
Can you translate that into hillbilly for me?
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Originally Posted by Xulld View Post
Because it would cost money, create crime where no crime existed before, and alienate a segment of society for no effect.

Are you really unable to understand?
So if they banned placing hello kitty stickers on the gun, would you be just as fired up?
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Originally Posted by Unabogie View Post
No, people without access to guns aren't. It's just the people with arsenals we need to worry about.

Well, scratch that. Crazy people can just take the guns from other people's arsenals, like Adam Lanza did, and then go on a killing spree. You might be on to something here. Perhaps the problem is that people are amassing arsenals.

Thanks for the insight!
What do you call an arsenal? Mayhaps over 20 guns? 10? I personally think more than 1.
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What do you call an arsenal? Mayhaps over 20 guns? 10? I personally think more than 1.
Surely you mean more than zero?
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Old 29th January 2013, 02:27 PM   #1091
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re:thaiboxerken...

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And you've convinced me to put you back on ignore.
Wise decision. She joins a very select few that I've honored with a spot on my list.
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So if they banned placing hello kitty stickers on the gun, would you be just as fired up?
I would. My daughter's pink .223 would have to have the stickers taken off.
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Old 30th January 2013, 01:19 AM   #1093
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"Blame Canada"

Apparently Chicago's violent crime problem is Canada's fault.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...195623390.html

However, it didn't mention that Smith and Wesson also manufactures the pistols for the RCMP.

This situation does seem to be somewhat of a pickle...
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Old 30th January 2013, 01:31 AM   #1094
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
What do you call an arsenal? Mayhaps over 20 guns? 10? I personally think more than 1.
My dictionary defines 'arsenal' as "a public building for storing, making, or repairing military equipment of all kinds".

But hey, if fabricating your own definition to suit an agenda works for you then I say go for it!

The recognized correct meaning for terms such as "assault rifle" and "high powered" are being completely ignored in the popular media so it's all good...
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I once asked you at what rate of homicide that would change, I dont remember you answering . . . . Clearly it must be somewhere between 2 and 5 per 100K . . .

Please forgive me if you provided the exact threshold and I missed it.
I cannot see it changing ever, it is not just about the rate of deaths but the whole UK gun culture would have to change.

If UK gun crime suddenly rocketed, it would be dealt with by more armed police, not the public and DGUs.
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I cannot see it changing ever, it is not just about the rate of deaths but the whole UK gun culture would have to change.

If UK gun crime suddenly rocketed, it would be dealt with by more armed police, not the public and DGUs.
Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
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Old 30th January 2013, 07:13 AM   #1097
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Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
A paranoid homeowner. Singular. To answer your (loaded) question: we don't know. Probably yes.

Home invasions do occur. It's rare. Fear over it is on par with fear about there being a pedophile behind every bush and corner. The NRA isn't alone in selling fear for profit.
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Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
You found a single, anecdotal case of a paranoid homeowner.

How about a cross-reference of the many actual home invasions?
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Old 30th January 2013, 12:23 PM   #1099
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Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
I see so we must always find all possible influences for any persons actions and then blame those influences and not the person themselves . . . . I see.

Perhaps we should find what is influencing your inability to comprehend the concept of personal responsibility and restrict their ability to influence you?

Yes, no? Why?
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I cannot see it changing ever, it is not just about the rate of deaths but the whole UK gun culture would have to change.

If UK gun crime suddenly rocketed, it would be dealt with by more armed police, not the public and DGUs.
Your avoiding my question instead of answering it.

You said that you would not carry a defensive deadly weapon because were you live the rate of deadly encounters is not at the point in which you feel it would be needed. I am paraphrasing so please correct me if this meaning is not correct.

So the corollary is very clear.

At what rate would you carry? You are not the only person to make such statements, so anyone else that agrees with this assessment, please do feel free to answer and let me know what the rate of homicide would need to be for you to feel the need was relevant.

You cannot on one hand say this and have no rate at which you would carry. Definition of irrational.

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You simply cannot know what you claim to know about not only what the response would be, but if it would be effective.
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Originally Posted by Sabretooth View Post
You found a single, anecdotal case of a paranoid homeowner.

How about a cross-reference of the many actual home invasions?
The guy blowing away the kid who drove into the wrong driveway is an extreme example, but it's far from the only one. People end up shooting their own kid who is sneaking home after staying out late. Or the drunk that walks into the wrong unit in a row of identical townhouses.

Yes, there are home invasions. Some of them are actually fights between rival gangs. Some are attempts to rob the guy growing pot in his basement. Some are unarmed burglaries gone wrong. The burglars were just looking for stuff to steal and it didn't look like anyone was home. Few are homes targeted at random by criminal gangs intent on mayhem and murder.

That loaded firearm kept ready fight off home invaders is far more likely be used on an innocent person.
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Old 31st January 2013, 03:27 AM   #1102
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Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
Just like the number of massacres does not spur the USA to do much about guns, neither does the number of supposed DGUs that are clearly murder.

If the British had a run of deaths in the name of self defence, but which were murder, I am sure we would act. It beggars belief that the USA will do precious little about this problem.
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Your avoiding my question instead of answering it.

You said that you would not carry a defensive deadly weapon because were you live the rate of deadly encounters is not at the point in which you feel it would be needed. I am paraphrasing so please correct me if this meaning is not correct.

So the corollary is very clear.

At what rate would you carry? You are not the only person to make such statements, so anyone else that agrees with this assessment, please do feel free to answer and let me know what the rate of homicide would need to be for you to feel the need was relevant.

You cannot on one hand say this and have no rate at which you would carry. Definition of irrational.
I would not carry in normal day to day life. Just like the majority of Americans do right now. It is the minority who feel the need/want to have a gun for self defence. We know from the New York map of gun owners published in the newspaper that streets have some with and some without guns. I would be one of those without. Even in the highest crime areas there are people who do not have guns.

Do you think there should be a number of deaths beyond which it should be law that you have to carry a gun?

As for rate of homicide, I would need there to be a war on and the UK is being invaded before I would carry.

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That loaded firearm kept ready fight off home invaders is far more likely be used on an innocent person.
OK, when you make sweeping opinions like that, you are going to have to back it up.

How many of the 11,000+ firearm homicides last year can be classified as the killing of an innocent person incorrectly thought to be invading a home (or other property)?
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I would not carry in normal day to day life. Just like the majority of Americans do right now. It is the minority who feel the need/want to have a gun for self defence. We know from the New York map of gun owners published in the newspaper that streets have some with and some without guns. I would be one of those without. Even in the highest crime areas there are people who do not have guns.

Do you think there should be a number of deaths beyond which it should be law that you have to carry a gun?

As for rate of homicide, I would need there to be a war on and the UK is being invaded before I would carry.



Neither do you.
Ok so clearly more caveats exist for you than just the probability of needing a deadly weapon.

I am honest with my bias. I stated clearly that I neglected to carry before I experienced the death of my friend. Stats did not matter before, and do not matter after.

That such a situation can occur is all that matters to me. That it happened means it can happen again.

It really is that simple for me. 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. I am not psychic, so instead I am prepared.
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Originally Posted by Autolite View Post
My dictionary defines 'arsenal' as "a public building for storing, making, or repairing military equipment of all kinds".

But hey, if fabricating your own definition to suit an agenda works for you then I say go for it!

The recognized correct meaning for terms such as "assault rifle" and "high powered" are being completely ignored in the popular media so it's all good...
wow, why do you get to pick the correct definition of a word I'm using that just doesn't fit the context? That's just dishonesty at work.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arsenal
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Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
Yes. It's just the price we pay for freedom to own guns along with the other senseless gun crimes.
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Ok so clearly more caveats exist for you than just the probability of needing a deadly weapon.

I am honest with my bias. I stated clearly that I neglected to carry before I experienced the death of my friend. Stats did not matter before, and do not matter after.

That such a situation can occur is all that matters to me. That it happened means it can happen again.

It really is that simple for me. 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. I am not psychic, so instead I am prepared.
Do you wear armor as well? Why or why not?
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