Nutcases and stigmatisation

[Jonesboy]

Psychiatry is a modern social movement: it has social significances. Possibly the most significant social force of psychiatry today is found in its stigmatising program and its promotion of the nutcase, or nut-job. Psychiatry, acting out the demands of culture, uses mind control to stop people from showing socially unacceptable behaviour.

Stigmatisation is the main technique that psychiatry uses for social control. Terms psychiatrists use to promote stigmatisation include: depression, bipolar, schizo-, mental x, where x is illness, health, dysfunction, disorder, condition, state, etc. All these terms mean, or are names for, nutcase or nut-job.

Often, stigmatisation is not enough for social control. People's behaviour may still need eliminating or controlling. Psychiatry then employs back-up social strategems such as drugging, therapy, surgery and propaganda.

Regarding propaganda, it isn't just bogus theories that psychiatry uses to pressurize people into accepting their stigmatisation regime. Sweeteners are added. These include the suggestion of improved social standing for vulnerable groups like children, the aged, and the gullible, and the promise that succumbing to the righteousness of diagnosis will ensure that nutcases are doing the right thing.

CONCLUDING
All well and good, I say. Psychiatric stigmatisation, like sadomasachism, is a lifestyle choice, which any one of us is free to follow. But it isn't just about lifestyle choices. Entrepreneurial freedom, and the hope that one day we shall raise ourselves out of, and upon, the common herd, was a freedom bequethed to us by the founding fathers: their spirit is encapsulated in modern psychiatry and its industry, today.

[wollery]

No.

[Brian-M]

There's a stigma associated with buying a case of nuts?

[RussDill]

[StankApe]

Holy mackerel !!! shouldn't this be moved to the CT area? I don't see much science nor medicine going on in the OP!

[Kid Eager]

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Psychiatry is a modern social movement: it has social significances. Possibly the most significant social force of psychiatry today is found in its stigmatising program and its promotion of the nutcase, or nut-job. Psychiatry, acting out the demands of culture, uses mind control to stop people from showing socially unacceptable behaviour.

Stigmatisation is the main technique that psychiatry uses for social control. Terms psychiatrists use to promote stigmatisation include: depression, bipolar, schizo-, mental x, where x is illness, health, dysfunction, disorder, condition, state, etc. All these terms mean, or are names for, nutcase or nut-job.

Often, stigmatisation is not enough for social control. People's behaviour may still need eliminating or controlling. Psychiatry then employs back-up social strategems such as drugging, therapy, surgery and propaganda.

Regarding propaganda, it isn't just bogus theories that psychiatry uses to pressurize people into accepting their stigmatisation regime. Sweeteners are added. These include the suggestion of improved social standing for vulnerable groups like children, the aged, and the gullible, and the promise that succumbing to the righteousness of diagnosis will ensure that nutcases are doing the right thing.

CONCLUDING
All well and good, I say. Psychiatric stigmatisation, like sadomasachism, is a lifestyle choice, which any one of us is free to follow. But it isn't just about lifestyle choices. Entrepreneurial freedom, and the hope that one day we shall raise ourselves out of, and upon, the common herd, was a freedom bequethed to us by the founding fathers: their spirit is encapsulated in modern psychiatry and its industry, today.

No.

[Weak Kitten]

So...you would prefer that we go back to the days of trying to beat the bad behavior out of people? Or to back when people thought it was all demon possession?

As far as I've seen modern psychiatric medicine actually lowers the stigma of mental illness. Partially because so many things can be treated and made manageable by the proper application of psychiatric drugs. More importantly modern psychiatry has introduced to the public the idea that mental illness is a physical problem, thus removing the burden of blame from the patient.

For example, no longer do we talk about "shell shock" with embarrassed looks, wondering how the man could be such a coward. Now we call it PTSD and understand that it happens to even the bravest of people.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by StankApe

Holy mackerel !!! shouldn't this be moved to the CT area? I don't see much science nor medicine going on in the OP!

I agree. Pure CT hogwash.

[Turgor]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Psychiatry is a modern social movement:

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

it has social significances.

Yes, maybe, depends on what you will argue is the social significance. Let's see.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Possibly the most significant social force of psychiatry today is found in its stigmatising program and its promotion of the nutcase, or nut-job.

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Psychiatry, acting out the demands of culture, uses mind control to stop people from showing socially unacceptable behaviour.

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Stigmatisation is the main technique that psychiatry uses for social control.

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Terms psychiatrists use to promote stigmatisation include: depression, bipolar, schizo-, mental x, where x is illness, health, dysfunction, disorder, condition, state, etc. All these terms mean, or are names for, nutcase or nut-job.

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Often, stigmatisation is not enough for social control. People's behaviour may still need eliminating or controlling. Psychiatry then employs back-up social strategems such as drugging, therapy, surgery and propaganda.

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Regarding propaganda, it isn't just bogus theories that psychiatry uses to pressurize people into accepting their stigmatisation regime. Sweeteners are added. These include the suggestion of improved social standing for vulnerable groups like children, the aged, and the gullible, and the promise that succumbing to the righteousness of diagnosis will ensure that nutcases are doing the right thing.

No.

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

CONCLUDING
All well and good, I say. Psychiatric stigmatisation, like sadomasachism, is a lifestyle choice, which any one of us is free to follow. But it isn't just about lifestyle choices. Entrepreneurial freedom, and the hope that one day we shall raise ourselves out of, and upon, the common herd, was a freedom bequethed to us by the founding fathers: their spirit is encapsulated in modern psychiatry and its industry, today.

No.

So basically, no.

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I AGREE

[quarky]

Unfortunately, for me, I tend to agree with a lot of the points in the o.p.

We're whinny little bitches that inadvertently support a bunch of really crappy doctors.
YMMV. Brain damage is a different matter, for sure.

[annnnoid]

Originally Posted by quarky

Unfortunately, for me, I tend to agree with a lot of the points in the o.p.

We're whinny little bitches that inadvertently support a bunch of really crappy doctors.
YMMV. Brain damage is a different matter, for sure.

I always like what KPax said to his psychiatrist: " If you're a doctor, why aren't the patients cured?"

[RussDill]

Am I the only one that smells a bit of scientology here? Since this thread really needs to just be in CT, I'll just leave this here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8440369.html

[Libra]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

CONCLUDING
All well and good, I say. Psychiatric stigmatisation, like sadomasachism, is a lifestyle choice, which any one of us is free to follow. But it isn't just about lifestyle choices. Entrepreneurial freedom, and the hope that one day we shall raise ourselves out of, and upon, the common herd, was a freedom bequethed to us by the founding fathers: their spirit is encapsulated in modern psychiatry and its industry, today.

Spot on there, you must be correct.

The stigmatisation of female histeria once was a lifestyle choice too. It was thought that the stresses of living in a modern life (mid 19th centuray) caused the increase in female histeria observed. These cases were very profitable for physicians, as the patients needed repreat treatment and had no risk of death. Attempting to get away from the time-consuming practice of releaving this histeria by means of pelvic massaging, first hydrotherapy devices and subsequently the vibrator was developed. Entrepreneurial freedom did indeed cause that they then raised themselves out of it . . . and out of the more liberal slant on sex after this, the porn industry was born.

I am almost certain that the physicians planned this stigmatisation back then, knowing that the liberal take on sex would cause much return business in the form of patients seeking treatment for all sorts of STDs and eventually needing the service of plastic surgeons for reconstructive and augmentation surgeries of sexually strategic protruberances(I love this word), and then there's the HIV/AIDS thing and the pharma thing selling all those little blue pills and the breakdown of social fabric causing the increase in divorce and the need for psychotheratisps and the . . .

All connected I tell ya. One great Big conspiracy

Now where's that damn sarcasm icon . . . ah

[Jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Weak Kitten

So...you would prefer that we go back to the days of trying to beat the bad behavior out of people? Or to back when people thought it was all demon possession?

As far as I've seen modern psychiatric medicine actually lowers the stigma of mental illness. Partially because so many things can be treated and made manageable by the proper application of psychiatric drugs. More importantly modern psychiatry has introduced to the public the idea that mental illness is a physical problem, thus removing the burden of blame from the patient.

For example, no longer do we talk about "shell shock" with embarrassed looks, wondering how the man could be such a coward. Now we call it PTSD and understand that it happens to even the bravest of people.

But mental illness is itself a stigma, as I said. Mental illness is a deliberately engineered stigma, engineered by by psychiatry working for cultural demands, as I said. Psychiatry adds sweeteners so that its stigmatised can accept their stigmatisation, as I said.

As you say, one way to make stigmatisation acceptable is by saying that, unlike the rest of us (!), the nutcase is affected by his physical state and so can't help being a nut. Yes, their theory is that stupid.

PTSD and flashbacks were never illnesses. They were called illnesses for one reason. PTSD is a natural healing reaction to a shock so the psychiatrists wanted to get rid of it and replace it with drugs - its more profitable because it prolongs the anguish.

[Jonesboy]

Originally Posted by RussDill

Am I the only one that smells a bit of scientology here? Since this thread really needs to just be in CT, I'll just leave this here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8440369.html

Yes, you are right. Anyone who doesn't believe in psychiatry must, therefore, believe in Xenu.

Are you serious?

[Jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Libra

Spot on there, you must be correct.

The stigmatisation of female histeria once was a lifestyle choice too. It was thought that the stresses of living in a modern life (mid 19th centuray) caused the increase in female histeria observed. These cases were very profitable for physicians, as the patients needed repreat treatment and had no risk of death. Attempting to get away from the time-consuming practice of releaving this histeria by means of pelvic massaging, first hydrotherapy devices and subsequently the vibrator was developed. Entrepreneurial freedom did indeed cause that they then raised themselves out of it . . . and out of the more liberal slant on sex after this, the porn industry was born.

I am almost certain that the physicians planned this stigmatisation back then, knowing that the liberal take on sex would cause much return business in the form of patients seeking treatment for all sorts of STDs and eventually needing the service of plastic surgeons for reconstructive and augmentation surgeries of sexually strategic protruberances(I love this word), and then there's the HIV/AIDS thing and the pharma thing selling all those little blue pills and the breakdown of social fabric causing the increase in divorce and the need for psychotheratisps and the . . .

All connected I tell ya. One great Big conspiracy

Now where's that damn sarcasm icon . . . ah

There are great opportunities in the land of freedom for millionaire doctors to increase their freedom through stimatisation programs. Even as I speak, billions are being made by Abe's disciples.

[Stomatopoda]

Poe.

[phunk]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

But mental illness is itself a stigma, as I said. Mental illness is a deliberately engineered stigma, engineered by by psychiatry working for cultural demands, as I said. Psychiatry adds sweeteners so that its stigmatised can accept their stigmatisation, as I said.

As you say, one way to make stigmatisation acceptable is by saying that, unlike the rest of us (!), the nutcase is affected by his physical state and so can't help being a nut. Yes, their theory is that stupid.

PTSD and flashbacks were never illnesses. They were called illnesses for one reason. PTSD is a natural healing reaction to a shock so the psychiatrists wanted to get rid of it and replace it with drugs - its more profitable because it prolongs the anguish.

I'm curious, why do you think the bolded part is true. Do you think you are somehow separate from your physical state?

I'm also curious how you can not see the irony in calling people nutcases while discussing stigmatisation.

[Jonesboy]

Originally Posted by phunk

I'm curious, why do you think the bolded part is true. Do you think you are somehow separate from your physical state?

I'm also curious how you can not see the irony in calling people nutcases while discussing stigmatisation.

No, look - I BOLDED it because that is what the other person (Weak Kitten) said. It's obviously rubbish. Weak Kitten said "modern psychiatry has introduced to the public the idea that mental illness is a physical problem, thus removing the burden of blame from the patient."

Also, regarding my use of the term nutcase. I will accept nutcase even as a personal description. But I will never accept the downgrading to the physically terminal, biochemically sad descriptions of psychiatry, not for myself, nor for others.

[phunk]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

No, look - I BOLDED it because that is what the other person (Weak Kitten) said. It's obviously rubbish. Weak Kitten said "modern psychiatry has introduced to the public the idea that mental illness is a physical problem, thus removing the burden of blame from the patient."

Also, regarding my use of the term nutcase. I will accept nutcase even as a personal description. But I will never accept the downgrading to the physically terminal, biochemically sad descriptions of psychiatry, not for myself, nor for others.

Uhm, no, I bolded it when I quoted you, to make it easy to see what I was referring to.

You are a dualist then I take it? You think the mind exists separate from the body, and isn't affected by physical problems in the brain?

[Wolrab]

Looks to me that someone is upset with their psychiatrist. I'd wager court appointed.

[Dancing David]

Originally Posted by quarky

Unfortunately, for me, I tend to agree with a lot of the points in the o.p.

We're whinny little bitches that inadvertently support a bunch of really crappy doctors.
YMMV. Brain damage is a different matter, for sure.

I am not whiny and your idea is full of ****, people living with schizophrenia are not imagining it. It is quite real for them, same for bipolar disorder and depression.

Thanks for supporting the idea that treatment is stigmatization.

How many *********** psychiatrists do you actually know, what is the sample size that you base your opinion on? What about the variety of mental health supports, do you condemn them all as well?

[Dancing David]

Originally Posted by annnnoid

I always like what KPax said to his psychiatrist: " If you're a doctor, why aren't the patients cured?"

Huh, I suppose you think people with diabetes are stigmatized by treatment, why aren't diabetics cured?

-heart disease
-rheumatism
-high blood pressure

Huh?

[Dancing David]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

But mental illness is itself a stigma, as I said. Mental illness is a deliberately engineered stigma, engineered by by psychiatry working for cultural demands, as I said. Psychiatry adds sweeteners so that its stigmatised can accept their stigmatisation, as I said.

No my clients were stigmatized because they did not bathe, talked to auditory hallucinations and stuck out like a boil.

[Dancing David]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

No, look - I BOLDED it because that is what the other person (Weak Kitten) said. It's obviously rubbish. Weak Kitten said "modern psychiatry has introduced to the public the idea that mental illness is a physical problem, thus removing the burden of blame from the patient."

Also, regarding my use of the term nutcase. I will accept nutcase even as a personal description. But I will never accept the downgrading to the physically terminal, biochemically sad descriptions of psychiatry, not for myself, nor for others.

Who said PSMI is terminal, you?

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Psychiatry is a modern social movement: it has social significances. Possibly the most significant social force of psychiatry today is found in its stigmatising program and its promotion of the nutcase, or nut-job. Psychiatry, acting out the demands of culture, uses mind control to stop people from showing socially unacceptable behaviour.

Stigmatisation is the main technique that psychiatry uses for social control. Terms psychiatrists use to promote stigmatisation include: depression, bipolar, schizo-, mental x, where x is illness, health, dysfunction, disorder, condition, state, etc. All these terms mean, or are names for, nutcase or nut-job.

Often, stigmatisation is not enough for social control. People's behaviour may still need eliminating or controlling. Psychiatry then employs back-up social strategems such as drugging, therapy, surgery and propaganda.

Regarding propaganda, it isn't just bogus theories that psychiatry uses to pressurize people into accepting their stigmatisation regime. Sweeteners are added. These include the suggestion of improved social standing for vulnerable groups like children, the aged, and the gullible, and the promise that succumbing to the righteousness of diagnosis will ensure that nutcases are doing the right thing.

CONCLUDING
All well and good, I say. Psychiatric stigmatisation, like sadomasachism, is a lifestyle choice, which any one of us is free to follow. But it isn't just about lifestyle choices. Entrepreneurial freedom, and the hope that one day we shall raise ourselves out of, and upon, the common herd, was a freedom bequethed to us by the founding fathers: their spirit is encapsulated in modern psychiatry and its industry, today.

Ooops! Sorry, I thought this was about stigmataism - the science of holes in body parts for religious purposes. Never mind!! Carry on!!!

[fuelair]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Psychiatry is a modern social movement: it has social significances. Possibly the most significant social force of psychiatry today is found in its stigmatising program and its promotion of the nutcase, or nut-job. Psychiatry, acting out the demands of culture, uses mind control to stop people from showing socially unacceptable behaviour.

Stigmatisation is the main technique that psychiatry uses for social control. Terms psychiatrists use to promote stigmatisation include: depression, bipolar, schizo-, mental x, where x is illness, health, dysfunction, disorder, condition, state, etc. All these terms mean, or are names for, nutcase or nut-job.

Often, stigmatisation is not enough for social control. People's behaviour may still need eliminating or controlling. Psychiatry then employs back-up social strategems such as drugging, therapy, surgery and propaganda.

Regarding propaganda, it isn't just bogus theories that psychiatry uses to pressurize people into accepting their stigmatisation regime. Sweeteners are added. These include the suggestion of improved social standing for vulnerable groups like children, the aged, and the gullible, and the promise that succumbing to the righteousness of diagnosis will ensure that nutcases are doing the right thing.

CONCLUDING
All well and good, I say. Psychiatric stigmatisation, like sadomasachism, is a lifestyle choice, which any one of us is free to follow. But it isn't just about lifestyle choices. Entrepreneurial freedom, and the hope that one day we shall raise ourselves out of, and upon, the common herd, was a freedom bequethed to us by the founding fathers: their spirit is encapsulated in modern psychiatry and its industry, today.

Oops! Sorry I thought this was about astigmatism which affects some people's eyes so they have to wear glasses - but tht's not why I do. anyway this is apparently about mind - and I don't. So, carry on toot sweet!!!

[dafydd]

I thought it was about bad eyesight.

[jdc324]

Originally Posted by quarky

Unfortunately, for me, I tend to agree with a lot of the points in the o.p.

We're whinny little bitches that inadvertently support a bunch of really crappy doctors.
YMMV. Brain damage is a different matter, for sure.

Wow. People with mental health problems are "whinny little bitches"?

Really?

[RussDill]

Originally Posted by Jonesboy

Yes, you are right. Anyone who doesn't believe in psychiatry must, therefore, believe in Xenu.

Are you serious?

Its not that you 'don't believe in psychiatry', its that you believe it to be some massive conspiracy.

[Weak Kitten]

To call it "mental illness" or "a mental condition" is no worse than calling diabetes a "physical illness". Really it's just a note that it is brain chemistry rather than a problem with a different part of the body.

Frankly I am a little confused about what you upset about. Could you please give us all some examples of this "stigmatization"? Or do you simply feel that giving a common categorical name for brain chemical and physical problems is inappropriate?

[quarky]

Originally Posted by Dancing David

I am not whiny and your idea is full of ****, people living with schizophrenia are not imagining it. It is quite real for them, same for bipolar disorder and depression.

Thanks for supporting the idea that treatment is stigmatization.

How many *********** psychiatrists do you actually know, what is the sample size that you base your opinion on? What about the variety of mental health supports, do you condemn them all as well?

I totally suck, obviously.

The mental condition of my suckiness has, as of yet, remained non-examined.

You, of all people, should have some empathy for my mental illness, and even suggestions of treatment for it.

Instead, you meet my illness with hostility.

This is indicative of the very madness, and its healers, of which I express my skepticism...and await the cure.

Buddists amongst us might be familiar with the story of the sane King, choosing to drink the water of madness.

DD, this isn't the first time you've been hostile towards my opinions.
I forgive you, but only because of my own mental illness, and the lack of its cure so far.

I'm sorry for the perverse degree of my psychotic empathy.

No one can relate to the trials and tribulations of the anti-sociopathic personality.
You think I don't freaking suffer?
You think your suffering is more righteous than mine?

Bring it on, MF.

I'm ready to rumble, on account of my (as yet identified) illness, and the lack of drugs available. I would love to be less empathetic.

I would love to tell you all to "bug-off".

But I can't.

Because I can't afford the shrinks, and the pills don't exist yet.

Hopefully, we will never have this debate again.

I have huge guns, but I'm not allowed to use them.

[quarky]

Arguing with me has got to suck.
Imagine how I suffer, knowing this?

[quarky]

Originally Posted by jdc324

Wow. People with mental health problems are "whinny little bitches"?

Really?

I certainly am.

Be glad that you don't suffer from whinny little bitch syndrome, and its seriously offensive ramifications.

Maybe I'm the only one suffering from this new syndrome?

Christ, please forgive me and treat me with the best psychotherapy, coupled with universal health care.


(sigh.)

Nobody freaking understands me, do they?

[Brian-M]

Originally Posted by quarky

Be glad that you don't suffer from whinny little bitch syndrome, and its seriously offensive ramifications.

I've seen what this syndrome did to Anakin Skywalker. A truly devastating condition.

[Dancing David]

Originally Posted by quarky

I totally suck, obviously.

You say something judgmental and foolish, and now you self implode.

What you said in regards to people with mental illness is an opinion with no merits.

Having an MI Does not make someone a 'whiny little bitch'. It is just more moral crap stigma.

Quote:

The mental condition of my suckiness has, as of yet, remained non-examined.

You, of all people, should have some empathy for my mental illness, and even suggestions of treatment for it.

Your self image is your problem, your statement about mental illness was inappropriate.

If you want help quit drinking and go get help.

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Instead, you meet my illness with hostility.

You made a ******** statement and now blame a speculative condition. I never let my friends and clients pretend that their illness made them rude.

So you have a condition that made you claim other people were 'whiny little butches'.
Call me sceptical at best. That would be ignorance, rudeness and meanness.

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This is indicative of the very madness, and its healers, of which I express my skepticism...and await the cure.

And what illness is that, personality disorders are not mental illness. If you want help go get it, don't call other people 'whiny little bitches'.

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Buddists amongst us might be familiar with the story of the sane King, choosing to drink the water of madness.

DD, this isn't the first time you've been hostile towards my opinions.
I forgive you, but only because of my own mental illness, and the lack of its cure so far.

What a crock, you poor behavior is the result of which mental illness, rudeness is not an illness.

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I'm sorry for the perverse degree of my psychotic empathy.

I have know plenty of psychotic people, is that what is going on, or are you just making this up?
Exactly what kind of psychosis are you experiencing?

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No one can relate to the trials and tribulations of the anti-sociopathic personality.
You think I don't freaking suffer?
You think your suffering is more righteous than mine?

You had no call to say what you did, so keep digging that hole Quarky. Your suffering is no reason to call others 'whiny little bitches'.

take accountability for your choices

If you want help go get it but don't make some mockery of treatment by pretending it is mental illness that makes you rude.

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Bring it on, MF.

Oh internet tough guy, you say something dumb and now you get all sorry and aggressive. More poor choices.

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I'm ready to rumble, on account of my (as yet identified) illness

********

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, and the lack of drugs available. I would love to be less empathetic.

this is not even funny Quarky, it is offesive.

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I would love to tell you all to "bug-off".

But I can't.

Because I can't afford the shrinks, and the pills don't exist yet.

Hopefully, we will never have this debate again.

I have huge guns, but I'm not allowed to use them.

Your opinion are part of the problem, don't worry, I shall let your ignorance be.

Don't blame an MI for your rudeness and ignorance.
Bye Quarky, see you in April.

[quarky]

Oh great.

Ignored now, am I?

That's bound to help my condition a lot.

[quarky]

Mu innate cruelty has been demonstrated here for years.