LA Police beating caught on tape (again).

Tmy · 25th June 2004, 07:23 AM

When the LA police ask for your name...........YOU BETTER TELL THEM!

Video Shows Police Hitting Suspect With Flashlight After Apparent Surrender

Police officers who arrested a man suspected of driving a stolen car were shown in televised news footage repeatedly hitting him with a flashlight after it appeared he had surrendered.

News footage shot from a helicopter showed the chase end on a Compton street and the suspect take off on foot. After a short pursuit, the man appeared to surrender to an officer. After several other officers arrived, the man was forced to the ground, where the videotape shows an officer striking him at least 10 times with a flashlight

crimresearch · 25th June 2004, 07:59 AM

Please...as anyone can plainly see, the officer is just trying to get the light to start working again, by repeatedly striking it on a solid object.

(For the sarcasm impaired, that was not what is going on in that video...on the other hand, the media has a track record of labelling any police use of force as brutality, and then mysteriously dropping all coverage of the story after more information comes forth).

Bottle or the Gun · 25th June 2004, 08:39 AM

He stole a car. Probably from some poor guy that will lose his job and not be able to pay the rent now because his car was jacked by some peice of garbage in a hurry to buy more crack after robbing a quickie-mart. Screw him. And when he gets out of jail, beat him again.

American · 25th June 2004, 08:49 AM

Good.

And anyone who doesn't think so, I hope it's your car that's stolen next time, and I hope you die in a high speed chase while walking down the street one day.

Flashlight nothing. He should have shot him in the head.

gnome · 25th June 2004, 09:47 AM

Damn right! Because we should institute beatings and the death penalty for thieves now, and give the police the power to distribute that justice without those stupid trials and lawyers and stuff...

gnome · 25th June 2004, 09:51 AM

Trials are for Communists! let the police beat the perps on the spot, they deserve it.

Virgil · 25th June 2004, 09:55 AM

Judge Dredd....

Bottle or the Gun · 25th June 2004, 09:55 AM

Screw him. I hope he lost IQ points like Rodney did. Maybe now he'll be too stupid to steal a car.

Rob Lister · 25th June 2004, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
Screw him. I hope he lost IQ points like Rodney did. Maybe now he'll be too stupid to steal a car.

I don't know. I think all the cops involved should be fined twenty dollars.

Lisa Simpson · 25th June 2004, 10:09 AM

Don't they teach cops anything in the academy anymore? Never, ever, ever beat the suspect when news helicopters are flying overhead.

Wait till you get back to the station.

Grammatron · 25th June 2004, 10:10 AM

Can't we all just get along?

Tony · 25th June 2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by gnome
...let the police beat the perps on the spot...

That is practically what we have right now, the only reason this is an issue is because it was caught on camera. Your rights as an American citizen effectively evaporate once you are in the custody (either arrested, detained or pulled over) of the police.

Rob Lister · 25th June 2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Tony

That is practically what we have right now, the only reason this is an issue is because it was caught on camera. Your rights as an American citizen effectively evaporate once you are in the custody (either arrested, detained or pulled over) of the police.

It's easy to get caught up in this. We don't want the cops to beat the hell out of someone.

This person has not been tried for any crime so we presume him innocent until such time as a jury finds him guilty.

Why not apply the same standard to the cops?

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 10:28 AM

Good for the police maybe if every villian realised they would get a good beating it would reduce the crime rate

i wonder if the police should now recieve anti aircraft weapons for use against news helicopters

Lisa Simpson · 25th June 2004, 10:28 AM

In Los Angeles, since Rodney King, the police are guilty. Being proved innocent is irrelevant.

I was watching the news this morning, and the in-studio guest was the chief of the LAPD. He was trying to tell the news media not to jump to conclusions. The female anchor said something along the lines of "we won't do that" but then immediately jumped in with a question comparing this incident to Rodney King.

Dorian Gray · 25th June 2004, 10:31 AM

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That is practically what we have right now, the only reason this is an issue is because it was caught on camera. Your rights as an American citizen effectively evaporate once you are in the custody (either arrested, detained or pulled over) of the police.

It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. F--- the Geneva Conventions. And F--- the Constitution. And justify it with fear and hatred and panic.

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray

It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. F--- the Geneva Conventions. And F--- the Constitution. And justify it with fear and hatred and panic.

Wow thats a leap, from perp breaking the law being beaten back to torturing iraqis

Tony · 25th June 2004, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by Dorian Gray

It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue.

Not true, the investigations into the prison abuse began in January. It was in the news. It was only when the pictures were produced that it became the big, new sensationalized news story.

Contrast that with this incident where the likelihood of these cops being held accountable without the footage would have been nil.

zenith-nadir · 25th June 2004, 10:36 AM

I say good. Beat the living crap out of him. Perhaps next time he will respect other people's property instead of stealing cars. Now watch the liberals climb down my throat...that is until they get T-boned at an intersection and paralyzed like my friend Cal did by a perp running from the cops in a stolen automobile.

Psi Baba · 25th June 2004, 10:37 AM

Just business as usual for the
Lillywhite A$$holes Pummelling the Defenseless.

Rob Lister · 25th June 2004, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray

It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. F--- the Geneva Conventions. And F--- the Constitution. And justify it with fear and hatred and panic.

I don't recall ever being involved with the torture of prisoners. I do recall the prosecution of some that were/may have been.

You should stop F--- the Constitution and allow the justice system to do its job. You may be able to justify your post with fear and hatred, but it is not reasonable that you do so, in my opinion.

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Psi Baba
Just business as usual for the
Lillywhite A$$holes Pummelling the Defenseless.

I take it your going to sign up and help change the image accepting the pressure and responsibility that comes with the job

gnome · 25th June 2004, 10:40 AM

That's at least three people that want the cops to be able to beat perpetrators on the spot...

And yes I will jump down your throat for it...

Will you still agree when they beat the wrong man? or beat someone who's been a thorn in their side politically, and SAY they saw him stealing something?

Just what kind of country do you think America should be?

Bjorn · 25th June 2004, 10:41 AM

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Screw him. And when he gets out of jail, beat him again.

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Flashlight nothing. He should have shot him in the head.

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I hope he lost IQ points like Rodney did. Maybe now he'll be too stupid to steal a car.

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I think all the cops involved should be fined twenty dollars.

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Good for the police maybe if every villian realised they would get a good beating it would reduce the crime rate

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Beat the living crap out of him.

Soooo many of you mocking our American standards of law and order .... innocent until found guilty .... punishment is not metered out by the police. Five big police guys beat up one guy that had already surrendered and you cheer.

And this is supposedly a skeptic forum ....

gnome · 25th June 2004, 10:42 AM

To those cheering the police and saying they should have the right to beat suspects... answer one more question... SERIOUSLY. I dare you to answer honestly... if the police were beating you mistakenly would you still agree they had the right? Or only if it happens to other people?

Since when is "getting" criminals more important than our freedom? What the heck happened?

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnome
That's at least three people that want the cops to be able to beat perpetrators on the spot...

And yes I will jump down your throat for it...

Will you still agree when they beat the wrong man? or beat someone who's been a thorn in their side politically, and SAY they saw him stealing something?

Just what kind of country do you think America should be?

OH confusion here, because i read the report in the link and this man was definately not the 'wrong man' and given he was driving a stolen car in excess of the speed limit IMHO he deserved all he got

btw i live in britain and also think our police should engauge in a more 'hands on' approach when its clear the suspect has broken the law

Rob Lister · 25th June 2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Bjorn
Soooo many of you mocking our American standards of law and order .... innocent until found guilty .... punishment is not metered out by the police. Five big police guys beat up one guy that had already surrendered and you cheer.

And this is supposedly a skeptic forum ....

I believe I suggested they should be fined. My suggestion hinged on their first being tried and found guilty of the reported crime. I made this clear in subsequent posts.

Bjorn · 25th June 2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Rob Lister

I believe I suggested they should be fined. My suggestion hinged on their first being tried and found guilty of the reported crime. I made this clear in subsequent posts.

I saw that and should have deleted your quote. Sorry.

Tony · 25th June 2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by gnome
To those cheering the police and saying they should have the right to beat suspects... answer one more question... SERIOUSLY. I dare you to answer honestly... if the police were beating you mistakenly would you still agree they had the right? Or only if it happens to other people?

Since when is "getting" criminals more important than our freedom? What the heck happened?

Mark this day on your calendar. We finally agree on something.

Grammatron · 25th June 2004, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by TAILGUNNER

I take it your going to sign up and help change the image accepting the pressure and responsibility that comes with the job

If that's the way those/that officer handles pressure and responsibility perhaps he needs to find a more suitable job, like a tollbooth attendant.

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Grammatron

If that's the way those/that officer handles pressure and responsibility perhaps he needs to find a more suitable job, like a tollbooth attendant.

Not sure what your saying

are you signing up to change it and see how you cope in a similar situation or are you just going to sit back in a place of saftey and criticise because you can

Bjorn · 25th June 2004, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by TAILGUNNER
OH confusion here, because i read the report in the link and this man was definately not the 'wrong man' and given he was driving a stolen car in excess of the speed limit IMHO he deserved all he got

Great to know where you stand: If someones steal a car and drives in excess of the speed limit you think it's OK if he's beaten up by the police.

Where is that in the law again? Or don't you think it matters if the police follows the law or not?

Tmy · 25th June 2004, 10:54 AM

Typical cop groupies. The police do no wrong, perp had it coming, these cops havent been found to have done any wrongdoing bla bla.

THERES A F'N VIDEO!!! And dont give me that angle of the camera crap. Its so easy to find Scott Peterson or Kobe Bryant guilty the second you hear of wrongdoing. But for the police, a video means nothing to the cop ass kissers.

Quick, someoen que the "they have a tough job" and "adrenalin" lines.

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Tmy
Typical cop groupies. The police do no wrong, perp had it coming, these cops havent been found to have done any wrongdoing bla bla.

THERES A F'N VIDEO!!! And dont give me that angle of the camera crap. Its so easy to find Scott Peterson or Kobe Bryant guilty the second you hear of wrongdoing. But for the police, a video means nothing to the cop ass kissers.

Quick, someoen que the "they have a tough job" and "adrenalin" lines.

OK so the video shows clearly everything that happened from the start to the finish and from it you can gauge the full emotions of the officers involved?the risks they had to take to capture this criminal? The level of personal threat they felt due to the criminals actions

because until thats the case having a F'N VIDEO doesnt quite mean a lot does it

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bjorn
Great to know where you stand: If someones steal a car and drives in excess of the speed limit you think it's OK if he's beaten up by the police.

Where is that in the law again? Or don't you think it matters if the police follows the law or not?

Never said it was in the law if you care to read back i said IMHO the perp got what he deserved

Grammatron · 25th June 2004, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by TAILGUNNER

Not sure what your saying

are you signing up to change it and see how you cope in a similar situation or are you just going to sit back in a place of saftey and criticise because you can

I am saying if you crack under pressure and can't follow the rules you are obviously not right for the job.

Mr. Skinny · 25th June 2004, 11:18 AM

I saw the video on the news the other night. It appeard to me that the cop was striking the suspect on his left arm with his flashlight.

My first thought was that he was (rather forcefully, I admit) trying to get the suspect to bring his hands out from under him and out to his sides (or behind his back).

An almost identical situation occured here in Dayton yesterday. The cops takled a suspect. He went down with his hands under him. On of the cops immediately starts wacking his upper arm with a collapsible police baton. Didn't see any national coverage of that film clip....but DPD doesn't have the "Rodney King rep" to contend with.

I'll wait for the investigation results, but mostly it looks like "much ado about nothing".

Bjorn · 25th June 2004, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by TAILGUNNER
Never said it was in the law if you care to read back i said IMHO the perp got what he deserved

I covered that already when I asked: Or don't you think it matters if the police follows the law or not?.

Now we know the answer.

Tmy · 25th June 2004, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by TAILGUNNER

OK so the video shows clearly everything that happened from the start to the finish and from it you can gauge the full emotions of the officers involved?the risks they had to take to capture this criminal? The level of personal threat they felt due to the criminals actions

because until thats the case having a F'N VIDEO doesnt quite mean a lot does it

So because the cops have a stressful job its ok for them to wail on people??? Who doesnt get stressed out at work. What happens to you if you beat down a customer or client or whatever.

Just cause your upset doesnt give youthe OK to step out of police parameters. Its unprofessional to say the least.

Next time theres a story about some kid spitting in a customers burger I wanna hear what "happened from the start to the finish and from it you can gauge the full emotions of the burger jockey."

TAILGUNNER · 25th June 2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Grammatron

I am saying if you crack under pressure and can't follow the rules you are obviously not right for the job.

And obviously every human being is able to garentee that in a stressful situation they would react in the perfect way

I dont think so, so should we suspend every cop just in case they crack forget their records of arrests and a job well done they being human are clearly not right for the job

Wheel in ROBOCOP somebody that should stop the beatings of criminals

25th June 2004, 07:23 AM	#1
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	LA Police beating caught on tape (again). When the LA police ask for your name...........YOU BETTER TELL THEM! Video Shows Police Hitting Suspect With Flashlight After Apparent Surrender Police officers who arrested a man suspected of driving a stolen car were shown in televised news footage repeatedly hitting him with a flashlight after it appeared he had surrendered. News footage shot from a helicopter showed the chase end on a Compton street and the suspect take off on foot. After a short pursuit, the man appeared to surrender to an officer. After several other officers arrived, the man was forced to the ground, where the videotape shows an officer striking him at least 10 times with a flashlight
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25th June 2004, 07:59 AM	#2
crimresearch Alumbrado Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 10,618	Please...as anyone can plainly see, the officer is just trying to get the light to start working again, by repeatedly striking it on a solid object. (For the sarcasm impaired, that was not what is going on in that video...on the other hand, the media has a track record of labelling any police use of force as brutality, and then mysteriously dropping all coverage of the story after more information comes forth).
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25th June 2004, 08:39 AM	#3
Bottle or the Gun Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 890	He stole a car. Probably from some poor guy that will lose his job and not be able to pay the rent now because his car was jacked by some peice of garbage in a hurry to buy more crack after robbing a quickie-mart. Screw him. And when he gets out of jail, beat him again.
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25th June 2004, 09:47 AM	#5
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,869	Damn right! Because we should institute beatings and the death penalty for thieves now, and give the police the power to distribute that justice without those stupid trials and lawyers and stuff...
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25th June 2004, 09:51 AM	#6
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,869	Trials are for Communists! let the police beat the perps on the spot, they deserve it.
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25th June 2004, 08:49 AM	#4
American Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: CA Posts: 3,842	Good. And anyone who doesn't think so, I hope it's your car that's stolen next time, and I hope you die in a high speed chase while walking down the street one day. Flashlight nothing. He should have shot him in the head.

25th June 2004, 09:55 AM	#7
Virgil Muse Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 682	Judge Dredd....
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25th June 2004, 10:06 AM	#9
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Quote: Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun Screw him. I hope he lost IQ points like Rodney did. Maybe now he'll be too stupid to steal a car. I don't know. I think all the cops involved should be fined twenty dollars.

25th June 2004, 10:09 AM	#10
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,057	Don't they teach cops anything in the academy anymore? Never, ever, ever beat the suspect when news helicopters are flying overhead. Wait till you get back to the station.
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25th June 2004, 10:10 AM	#11
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25th June 2004, 10:15 AM	#12
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,759	Quote: Originally posted by gnome ...let the police beat the perps on the spot... That is practically what we have right now, the only reason this is an issue is because it was caught on camera. Your rights as an American citizen effectively evaporate once you are in the custody (either arrested, detained or pulled over) of the police.
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25th June 2004, 10:21 AM	#13
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Quote: Originally posted by Tony That is practically what we have right now, the only reason this is an issue is because it was caught on camera. Your rights as an American citizen effectively evaporate once you are in the custody (either arrested, detained or pulled over) of the police. It's easy to get caught up in this. We don't want the cops to beat the hell out of someone. This person has not been tried for any crime so we presume him innocent until such time as a jury finds him guilty. Why not apply the same standard to the cops?

25th June 2004, 10:28 AM	#14
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Good for the police maybe if every villian realised they would get a good beating it would reduce the crime rate i wonder if the police should now recieve anti aircraft weapons for use against news helicopters
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25th June 2004, 10:31 AM	#16
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,195	Quote: That is practically what we have right now, the only reason this is an issue is because it was caught on camera. Your rights as an American citizen effectively evaporate once you are in the custody (either arrested, detained or pulled over) of the police. It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. F--- the Geneva Conventions. And F--- the Constitution. And justify it with fear and hatred and panic.

25th June 2004, 10:34 AM	#17
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. F--- the Geneva Conventions. And F--- the Constitution. And justify it with fear and hatred and panic. Wow thats a leap, from perp breaking the law being beaten back to torturing iraqis
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	__________________ Karma comes with the "storm." cynicism is the fastest growing religion even with your many names i above all know who you are There's no god so why are all the non believers so hung up on proving it to the believers 'go away' whinged GroundStrength in his best paranoid voice but i simply refused to go

25th June 2004, 10:35 AM	#18
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,759	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. Not true, the investigations into the prison abuse began in January. It was in the news. It was only when the pictures were produced that it became the big, new sensationalized news story. Contrast that with this incident where the likelihood of these cops being held accountable without the footage would have been nil.
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25th June 2004, 10:36 AM	#19
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	I say good. Beat the living crap out of him. Perhaps next time he will respect other people's property instead of stealing cars. Now watch the liberals climb down my throat...that is until they get T-boned at an intersection and paralyzed like my friend Cal did by a perp running from the cops in a stolen automobile.
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25th June 2004, 10:37 AM	#20
Psi Baba Homo Skepticalis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Occupying my barstool Posts: 3,179	Just business as usual for the Lillywhite A$$holes Pummelling the Defenseless.
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25th June 2004, 10:38 AM	#21
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray It's the same principle that is in operation in the US Armed Forces. We torture prisoners, it's only because there were pictures that could be distributed that it's an issue. F--- the Geneva Conventions. And F--- the Constitution. And justify it with fear and hatred and panic. I don't recall ever being involved with the torture of prisoners. I do recall the prosecution of some that were/may have been. You should stop F--- the Constitution and allow the justice system to do its job. You may be able to justify your post with fear and hatred, but it is not reasonable that you do so, in my opinion.

25th June 2004, 10:39 AM	#22
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Quote: Originally posted by Psi Baba Just business as usual for the Lillywhite A$$holes Pummelling the Defenseless. I take it your going to sign up and help change the image accepting the pressure and responsibility that comes with the job
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25th June 2004, 10:40 AM	#23
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,869	That's at least three people that want the cops to be able to beat perpetrators on the spot... And yes I will jump down your throat for it... Will you still agree when they beat the wrong man? or beat someone who's been a thorn in their side politically, and SAY they saw him stealing something? Just what kind of country do you think America should be?
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25th June 2004, 10:41 AM	#24
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Quote: Screw him. And when he gets out of jail, beat him again. Quote: Flashlight nothing. He should have shot him in the head. Quote: I hope he lost IQ points like Rodney did. Maybe now he'll be too stupid to steal a car. Quote: I think all the cops involved should be fined twenty dollars. Quote: Good for the police maybe if every villian realised they would get a good beating it would reduce the crime rate Quote: Beat the living crap out of him. Soooo many of you mocking our American standards of law and order .... innocent until found guilty .... punishment is not metered out by the police. Five big police guys beat up one guy that had already surrendered and you cheer. And this is supposedly a skeptic forum ....
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25th June 2004, 10:42 AM	#25
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,869	To those cheering the police and saying they should have the right to beat suspects... answer one more question... SERIOUSLY. I dare you to answer honestly... if the police were beating you mistakenly would you still agree they had the right? Or only if it happens to other people? Since when is "getting" criminals more important than our freedom? What the heck happened?
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25th June 2004, 10:44 AM	#26
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Quote: Originally posted by gnome That's at least three people that want the cops to be able to beat perpetrators on the spot... And yes I will jump down your throat for it... Will you still agree when they beat the wrong man? or beat someone who's been a thorn in their side politically, and SAY they saw him stealing something? Just what kind of country do you think America should be? OH confusion here, because i read the report in the link and this man was definately not the 'wrong man' and given he was driving a stolen car in excess of the speed limit IMHO he deserved all he got btw i live in britain and also think our police should engauge in a more 'hands on' approach when its clear the suspect has broken the law
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	__________________ Karma comes with the "storm." cynicism is the fastest growing religion even with your many names i above all know who you are There's no god so why are all the non believers so hung up on proving it to the believers 'go away' whinged GroundStrength in his best paranoid voice but i simply refused to go

25th June 2004, 10:44 AM	#27
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Quote: Originally posted by Bjorn Soooo many of you mocking our American standards of law and order .... innocent until found guilty .... punishment is not metered out by the police. Five big police guys beat up one guy that had already surrendered and you cheer. And this is supposedly a skeptic forum .... I believe I suggested they should be fined. My suggestion hinged on their first being tried and found guilty of the reported crime. I made this clear in subsequent posts.

25th June 2004, 10:48 AM	#28
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Quote: Originally posted by Rob Lister I believe I suggested they should be fined. My suggestion hinged on their first being tried and found guilty of the reported crime. I made this clear in subsequent posts. I saw that and should have deleted your quote. Sorry.
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25th June 2004, 10:48 AM	#29
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,759	Quote: Originally posted by gnome To those cheering the police and saying they should have the right to beat suspects... answer one more question... SERIOUSLY. I dare you to answer honestly... if the police were beating you mistakenly would you still agree they had the right? Or only if it happens to other people? Since when is "getting" criminals more important than our freedom? What the heck happened? Mark this day on your calendar. We finally agree on something.
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25th June 2004, 10:51 AM	#30
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Quote: Originally posted by TAILGUNNER I take it your going to sign up and help change the image accepting the pressure and responsibility that comes with the job If that's the way those/that officer handles pressure and responsibility perhaps he needs to find a more suitable job, like a tollbooth attendant.
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25th June 2004, 10:53 AM	#31
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Quote: Originally posted by Grammatron If that's the way those/that officer handles pressure and responsibility perhaps he needs to find a more suitable job, like a tollbooth attendant. Not sure what your saying are you signing up to change it and see how you cope in a similar situation or are you just going to sit back in a place of saftey and criticise because you can
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25th June 2004, 10:54 AM	#32
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Quote: Originally posted by TAILGUNNER OH confusion here, because i read the report in the link and this man was definately not the 'wrong man' and given he was driving a stolen car in excess of the speed limit IMHO he deserved all he got Great to know where you stand: If someones steal a car and drives in excess of the speed limit you think it's OK if he's beaten up by the police. Where is that in the law again? Or don't you think it matters if the police follows the law or not?
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25th June 2004, 10:59 AM	#34
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Quote: Originally posted by Tmy Typical cop groupies. The police do no wrong, perp had it coming, these cops havent been found to have done any wrongdoing bla bla. THERES A F'N VIDEO!!! And dont give me that angle of the camera crap. Its so easy to find Scott Peterson or Kobe Bryant guilty the second you hear of wrongdoing. But for the police, a video means nothing to the cop ass kissers. Quick, someoen que the "they have a tough job" and "adrenalin" lines. OK so the video shows clearly everything that happened from the start to the finish and from it you can gauge the full emotions of the officers involved?the risks they had to take to capture this criminal? The level of personal threat they felt due to the criminals actions because until thats the case having a F'N VIDEO doesnt quite mean a lot does it
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25th June 2004, 11:01 AM	#35
TAILGUNNER Thinker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 148	Quote: Originally posted by Bjorn Great to know where you stand: If someones steal a car and drives in excess of the speed limit you think it's OK if he's beaten up by the police. Where is that in the law again? Or don't you think it matters if the police follows the law or not? Never said it was in the law if you care to read back i said IMHO the perp got what he deserved
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25th June 2004, 11:18 AM	#36
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Quote: Originally posted by TAILGUNNER Not sure what your saying are you signing up to change it and see how you cope in a similar situation or are you just going to sit back in a place of saftey and criticise because you can I am saying if you crack under pressure and can't follow the rules you are obviously not right for the job.
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25th June 2004, 11:18 AM	#37
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,192	I saw the video on the news the other night. It appeard to me that the cop was striking the suspect on his left arm with his flashlight. My first thought was that he was (rather forcefully, I admit) trying to get the suspect to bring his hands out from under him and out to his sides (or behind his back). An almost identical situation occured here in Dayton yesterday. The cops takled a suspect. He went down with his hands under him. On of the cops immediately starts wacking his upper arm with a collapsible police baton. Didn't see any national coverage of that film clip....but DPD doesn't have the "Rodney King rep" to contend with. I'll wait for the investigation results, but mostly it looks like "much ado about nothing".
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25th June 2004, 11:19 AM	#38
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Quote: Originally posted by TAILGUNNER Never said it was in the law if you care to read back i said IMHO the perp got what he deserved I covered that already when I asked: Or don't you think it matters if the police follows the law or not?. Now we know the answer.
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