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Old 20th January 2013, 01:04 PM   #1
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Old 20th January 2013, 01:23 PM   #2
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"He was booked on two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death."

WTF? Why is he not beeing booked on five counts of murder? Shooting and killing a child isn't murder?
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Using legally owned weapons no doubt.
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Old 20th January 2013, 01:31 PM   #4
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"He was booked on two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death."

WTF? Why is he not beeing booked on five counts of murder? Shooting and killing a child isn't murder?
It may be easier to get no parole with that charge.
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These things happen all the time. Why get upset about it?
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Please, people. Now is not the time to politicize gun control. We need to wait at least a week before discussing gun violence. I ask the mods to lock all gun threads out of respect for the family.

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The best time to talk gun control is when no one is shot in the USA for a week.
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**** happens.
Which is totally not you being cavalier.
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If he didn't have a gun, he would've used a pencil and do just as much damage.
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Originally Posted by BenBurch View Post
It may be easier to get no parole with that charge.
It is a mandatory sentence in WA.
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If he didn't have a gun, he would've used a pencil and do just as much damage.
What I'm wondering is why the kids didn't just rush the shooter?
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What I'm wondering is why the kids didn't just rush the shooter?
No need if there had been just one good, God-fearing, NRA card-carrying CCW'er there.
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These things happen all the time. Why get upset about it?
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Because it's stupid and preventable.
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He used a gun? I guess a bicycle or swimming pool wasn't available.
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Because it's stupid and preventable.
Yea, but kids choke on food all the time and die. Why aren't we banning food?
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Yea, but kids choke on food all the time and die. Why aren't we banning food?
That reasoning you have right there is completely retarded. Kids choke on all kinds of things and we develop the Heimlich maneuver to clear their airway. We force retailers to warn of choking hazards. We do a lot to prevent choking. Food is also a little more important than guns; you can't eat a gun.

We should also do a lot more to prevent gun deaths. Access is the easiest thing to limit but morons think the reasoning "We need more guns to protect myself from guns" is sensible. Hell no it isn't. If you want a gun join the army. They don't belong in anyone's hands, from the most reasonable to the most psychotic. If you're going to put guns on the honor system then you need to regulate them.
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He used a gun? I guess a bicycle or swimming pool wasn't available.
That and he may not have had a drivers license so vehicles were out.
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He used a gun? I guess a bicycle or swimming pool wasn't available.
Alcohol.

He should have used alcohol.
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That reasoning you have right there is completely retarded. Kids choke on all kinds of things and we develop the Heimlich maneuver to clear their airway. We force retailers to warn of choking hazards. We do a lot to prevent choking. Food is also a little more important than guns; you can't eat a gun.

We should also do a lot more to prevent gun deaths. Access is the easiest thing to limit but morons think the reasoning "We need more guns to protect myself from guns" is sensible. Hell no it isn't. If you want a gun join the army. They don't belong in anyone's hands, from the most reasonable to the most psychotic. If you're going to put guns on the honor system then you need to regulate them.
Well said.
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Alcohol.

He should have used alcohol.
You beer grabbers are so predictable.
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That reasoning you have right there is completely retarded. Kids choke on all kinds of things and we develop the Heimlich maneuver to clear their airway. We force retailers to warn of choking hazards. We do a lot to prevent choking. Food is also a little more important than guns; you can't eat a gun.

We should also do a lot more to prevent gun deaths. Access is the easiest thing to limit but morons think the reasoning "We need more guns to protect myself from guns" is sensible. Hell no it isn't. If you want a gun join the army. They don't belong in anyone's hands, from the most reasonable to the most psychotic. If you're going to put guns on the honor system then you need to regulate them.
Then we need to make a law to ban choking. Then only criminals will choke to death and it won't matter.

If you're going to ban guns, you better ban fly swatters too, because those are deadly weapons.
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You beer grabbers are so predictable.

Don't mess with my 21st Amendment freedoms!
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Yea, but kids choke on food all the time and die. Why aren't we banning food?
Maybe if psychopaths decided to start fooding people to death we could see some Congressional action in order to try and prevent it.
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Access is the easiest thing to limit but morons think the reasoning "We need more guns to protect myself from guns" is sensible. Hell no it isn't. If you want a gun join the army. They don't belong in anyone's hands, from the most reasonable to the most psychotic. If you're going to put guns on the honor system then you need to regulate them.
My rights are more important than your uninformed and irrational opinion.
That bolded part is about as stupid a thing as I've seen posted on the internet in a while.

Given how much stupidity I have seen, that's saying something.
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Then we need to make a law to ban choking. Then only criminals will choke to death and it won't matter.

If you're going to ban guns, you better ban fly swatters too, because those are deadly weapons.
Look I know you're trying to be cute. Hell after I read that line you said about the pencils I was nearly convinced that you're caricaturing the argument to demonstrate how absurd it is. Even this last post seems to demonstrate that.

I haven't mentioned anything about banning guns so much as I mentioned that they don't belong in anyone's hands regardless of training or lack thereof.

The canard of what's deadly versus what isn't what's worth discussing because that's you just trying to move the argument away. The discussion HAS TO BE about access; who gets to use them and how are they permitted to be used. I personally want to go scorched earth and remove them all for reasons I've already said. If I were to develop a device that could immediately trigger a heart attack in anyone I point it with just a button press from range there would be absolutely no possible argument in favor of allowing people to have them on the honor's system; at the very least they'd be regulated stringently and any murder that occurred through their use would absolutely have to initiate a reevaluation of their availability.

Fly swatters are not nearly as deadly as guns (they are deadly to flies and other small things). Fly swatters don't have any sort of range; they're glorified slap-extenders. They do not belong in the same discussion of deadliness that guns are in.

I know you're used to using rote phrases meant to stop the gun accessibility discussion. But the fact is we've been dealt a bad hand by bad people in preventing the discussion in first place. Whenever a person is killed with a gun the fact that people aren't discussing "how can we make this stop" is strange and silly. You have to at least have the discussion even if it doesn't change anything. When people actively try to eliminate attempts to improve on it that's just wrong.
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My rights are more important than your uninformed and irrational opinion.
That bolded part is about as stupid a thing as I've seen posted on the internet in a while.

Given how much stupidity I have seen, that's saying something.
Considering you see everything you type I'm sure you've seen more stupidity than I can imagine.

However I really should amend that statement because I do see the contradiction of saying they don't belong in anyone's hands and then saying they belong in anyone's hands. I've stumbled over my wide brush.
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That reasoning you have right there is completely retarded. Kids choke on all kinds of things and we develop the Heimlich maneuver to clear their airway. We force retailers to warn of choking hazards. We do a lot to prevent choking. Food is also a little more important than guns; you can't eat a gun.

We should also do a lot more to prevent gun deaths. Access is the easiest thing to limit but morons think the reasoning "We need more guns to protect myself from guns" is sensible. Hell no it isn't. If you want a gun join the army. They don't belong in anyone's hands, from the most reasonable to the most psychotic. If you're going to put guns on the honor system then you need to regulate them.
The Bill of Rights recognized in the 2nd Amendment and the Supreme Court has ruled in Heller that an individual citizen of the republic not in the prohibited class has a right to own a firearm in common use for self defense, period

That right is further incorporated onto the individual states through the due process clause of the 14th Amendment as ruled in McDonald.
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Considering you see everything you type I'm sure you've seen more stupidity than I can imagine.
When you can get over an emotional state, please share a thought with us.
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The Bill of Rights recognized in the 2nd Amendment and the Supreme Court has ruled in Heller that an individual citizen of the republic not in the prohibited class has a right to own a firearm in common use for self defense, period

That right is further incorporated onto the individual states through the due process clause of the 14th Amendment as ruled in McDonald.
I know that. If the only defense to owning a gun is that it's your right by the Constitution and that prevents the discussion on the obvious problem of guns and the insane amount of violence that comes from them then we're going to be stuck with the same problem.
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When you can get over an emotional state, please share a thought with us.
O.o I get that you're trying to frame me as the one being in an emotional state but I think anyone reading your previous post would see the irony. How about you share a thought with us rather than a critique of a part of what I've said. Actually discuss rather than tease out and caricature.
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If I start a gun control thread and there is a completely rational discussion, can I get Randi's million?
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If I start a gun control thread and there is a completely rational discussion, can I get Randi's million?
How about for ten bucks?
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The Bill of Rights recognized in the 2nd Amendment and the Supreme Court has ruled in Heller that an individual citizen of the republic not in the prohibited class has a right to own a firearm in common use for self defense, period

That right is further incorporated onto the individual states through the due process clause of the 14th Amendment as ruled in McDonald.
The conservatives in the Supreme Court, you mean.
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My rights are more important than your uninformed and irrational opinion.
That bolded part is about as stupid a thing as I've seen posted on the internet in a while.

Given how much stupidity I have seen, that's saying something.
You cling to this right with the same irrational fervor as any religious nut.
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I know that. If the only defense to owning a gun is that it's your right by the Constitution and that prevents the discussion on the obvious problem of guns and the insane amount of violence that comes from them then we're going to be stuck with the same problem.

You think the Constitution should be changed to restrict guns? I don't think so. The reason is because the Constitution says we can have guns.
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Old 20th January 2013, 05:33 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
**** happens.
**** happens!
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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
My rights are more important than your uninformed and irrational opinion.
Surely under the first amendment they are precisely equal.
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You think the Constitution should be changed to restrict guns? I don't think so. The reason is because the Constitution says we can have guns.
And the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true.
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