'This is the Charm Blow, we are abandoning ship'

BenBurch · 25th February 2013, 04:21 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/us/cal...ren/index.html

Strange story here, a series of fragmentary distress calls from a person reporting his vessel named (probably) "Charmblow" 65 miles offshore, reported a loss of power, and then taking on water and electronics failures, and finally a call saying abandoning ship. Could not give a GPS position. Said two children aboard. Also something about improvising a life raft.

Only nobody has found a thing, and nobody has been reported missing, and nobody appears to know a vessel by that name, with the CG calling all the harbors in the area enquiring about such a vessel.

Hoax?

Or just what it appears?

Lithrael · 25th February 2013, 05:13 PM

Charmglow, surely. It's a popular grill brand.

Sam.I.Am · 25th February 2013, 06:01 PM

Probably a hoax but the CG has to investigate regardless. When the Scorpion was lost some jackass used their open channel radio call sign "Brandywine" to mislead the navy. Those types of people are sadly out there.

AJM8125 · 25th February 2013, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Hoax?

I certainly hope so. Things like this happens quite a bit here and the one common denominator is when there's people (or even animals) lost off the Pacific coast, there's usually somebody missing them. Whenever its happens here, we're usually bombarded with interviews from family and friends of the missing, which our local media never fails to ferret out. Those interviews will, almost certainly, be the lead story on our local newscasts. Haven't seen any such thing tonight.

Also missing are reports from the local pleasure and commercial boating community, a close-knit group who are usually aware of the identity of the vessels among their ranks.

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Or just what it appears?

I certainly hope not.

patchbunny · 25th February 2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lithrael

Charmglow, surely. It's a popular grill brand.

Was thinking Charm Blow Pops.

Mike! · 26th February 2013, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by patchbunny

Was thinking Charm Blow Pops.

Maybe it was like the 'Good Ship Lolly-pop'? Of course, with a name like "Charm Blow", they could have been drug smugglers too.

Pope130 · 26th February 2013, 06:11 AM

I wonder if it might be a mis-hearing of the French "Chambleaux" or "Chambeaux"?

Gawdzilla · 26th February 2013, 06:17 AM

1. Insurance scam?

2. A party who wished to make a credible exit?

P.J. Denyer · 26th February 2013, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Gawdzilla

1. Insurance scam?

2. A party who wished to make a credible exit?

Presumably in either of these cases they'd want to be identified?

AJM8125 · 26th February 2013, 07:49 AM

Still nobody reporting them missing.

The coast guard doesn't know who they are, where they came from or where they were going. All they had was radio contact.

Very odd.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=9007629

Cylinder · 26th February 2013, 07:57 AM

The audio of the first distress call is here.

Hellbound · 26th February 2013, 07:59 AM

Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases.

Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something.

Sabretooth · 26th February 2013, 08:02 AM

Something that struck me as odd when I first read the story: Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast?

Cleon · 26th February 2013, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Something that struck me as odd when I first read the story: Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast?

Well, I don't know about "common," but it's not unheard of.

Sabretooth · 26th February 2013, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Well, I don't know about "common," but it's not unheard of.

Yeah, but the Charm is obviously much smaller. Two adults to operate the ship? Doesn't sound like the type of boat I'd want to be on at that range.

Cleon · 26th February 2013, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Yeah, but the Charm is obviously much smaller. Two adults to operate the ship? Doesn't sound like the type of boat I'd want to be on at that range.

I wouldn't want to be on a replica of an 18th-century sailing ship in the face of a hurricane, either.

KoihimeNakamura · 26th February 2013, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Hellbound

Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases.

Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something.

If Deadliest Catch is nay expectation, they kind of do, but it's extremely inaccurate. They usually use a EPIRB for precise location.

TjW · 26th February 2013, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Hellbound

Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases.

Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something.

It could tell you whether it was coming from the direction of the ocean, I guess.
Two, a few miles apart could tell you if it's plausible that it's 65 miles offshore.
But you'd have to either have a policy of DFing every distress call.
For navigation, it usually works the other way around: You have a DF onboard, and pick two or more non-directional beacons (NDBs) with sufficient spread to give you a good cross fix. Plot the reverse headings from the known position of the beacons, and where the lines cross is more-or-less where you are.
But I think most people use GPS these days.

Hellbound · 26th February 2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by TjW

It could tell you whether it was coming from the direction of the ocean, I guess.
Two, a few miles apart could tell you if it's plausible that it's 65 miles offshore.
But you'd have to either have a policy of DFing every distress call.
For navigation, it usually works the other way around: You have a DF onboard, and pick two or more non-directional beacons (NDBs) with sufficient spread to give you a good cross fix. Plot the reverse headings from the known position of the beacons, and where the lines cross is more-or-less where you are.
But I think most people use GPS these days.

Makes sense. I was just thinking about triangulating from two ships to get, at least, a search area.

Of course, they may have done something like this, and be looking. I dunno.

Thanks for the info, though

Buckaroo · 26th February 2013, 09:00 AM

Most likely a hoax. This kind of thing happens quite frequently, unfortunately; enough that there was a recent article in Boat U.S. Magazine discussing the problem. Jackasses do it for the lulz, getting a kick out of sending the Coast Guard out on wild goose chases (and indirectly jeopardizing the safety of other boaters). Penalties are stiff if the prankster is caught, but they rarely are.

The Mutha · 26th February 2013, 10:26 AM

CNN reporting that the Coast Guard has suspended their search.

Sabretooth · 26th February 2013, 10:30 AM

And they are thinking hoax...from the CNN email alert:

Quote:

The Coast Guard is suspending a search for a boat with four occupants reported missing off San Francisco, a guard commander said today. He said the case is "possibly a hoax."

dudalb · 26th February 2013, 11:30 AM

If it is a hoax, I hope they capture the jerks who did it and nail them with the heaviest penalaties possible.

BenBurch · 26th February 2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Yeah, but the Charm is obviously much smaller. Two adults to operate the ship? Doesn't sound like the type of boat I'd want to be on at that range.

Well, sounds as if they were operating as a motor boat.

If they had been able to make any sail, they would not have been dead in the water and could have been beating for shore even as she was taking on water.

fuelair · 26th February 2013, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

If it is a hoax, I hope they capture the jerks who did it and nail them with the heaviest penalaties possible.

At a minimum a nice slow keelhauling would be appropriate.

BenBurch · 26th February 2013, 06:45 PM

Just a thought that this could have been a family of itinerants who live "on the hook" -

There are some vessels off Key West that people live on and which seem to be in very bad shape.

catsmate1 · 27th February 2013, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hellbound

Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases.

Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something.

I'd have thought that even with GPS RDF would still be in use but I don't know much about the procedures.

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Something that struck me as odd when I first read the story: Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast?

A significant proportion of sailors are, frankly, nuts.

BenBurch · 27th February 2013, 09:58 AM

RDF needs two stations, or three if the stations are not themselves directional.

I am betting this was a very low power transmitter very near the CG station that received the call.

Checkmite · 27th February 2013, 10:24 AM

RDF only works if there's an active signal to home in on. My understanding is that the distress signals were short and sporadic.

Checkmite · 27th February 2013, 10:30 AM

Remember the exploding yacht that wasn't from last summer?

jj · 1st March 2013, 02:03 AM

Ought to find the creeps who did this, and send them the bill. Good thing nobody got hurt (I HOPE) chasing down this false alarm.

commandlinegamer · 1st March 2013, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast?

1979 Fastnet race^WP

I mention the above as there was a documentary on last night about the soon-to-be-retired Sea King helicopter, a mainstay of search-and-rescue operations in Britain for the last forty years and it mentioned the part they played saving people during the above fiasco.

TjW · 1st March 2013, 06:18 AM

There aren't many racing yachts that would race with children on board, though.

Sam.I.Am · 1st March 2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by TjW

There aren't many racing yachts that would race with children on board, though.

They make great moveable ballast and the sharks always start off with the smaller appetizers...

BenBurch · 1st March 2013, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

They make great moveable ballast and the sharks always start off with the smaller appetizers...

Sudden flash to that scene in "Das Boot" where everybody ran forward during the crash dive...

dudalb · 1st March 2013, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

Just a thought that this could have been a family of itinerants who live "on the hook" -

There are some vessels off Key West that people live on and which seem to be in very bad shape.

The waters off Northren California are a lot rougher and not really conducive to that kind of thing.

25th February 2013, 04:21 PM	#1
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,177	'This is the Charm Blow, we are abandoning ship' http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/us/cal...ren/index.html Strange story here, a series of fragmentary distress calls from a person reporting his vessel named (probably) "Charmblow" 65 miles offshore, reported a loss of power, and then taking on water and electronics failures, and finally a call saying abandoning ship. Could not give a GPS position. Said two children aboard. Also something about improvising a life raft. Only nobody has found a thing, and nobody has been reported missing, and nobody appears to know a vessel by that name, with the CG calling all the harbors in the area enquiring about such a vessel. Hoax? Or just what it appears?
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25th February 2013, 06:01 PM	#3
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25th February 2013, 08:05 PM	#5
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25th February 2013, 07:46 PM	#4
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,254	Originally Posted by BenBurch Hoax? I certainly hope so. Things like this happens quite a bit here and the one common denominator is when there's people (or even animals) lost off the Pacific coast, there's usually somebody missing them. Whenever its happens here, we're usually bombarded with interviews from family and friends of the missing, which our local media never fails to ferret out. Those interviews will, almost certainly, be the lead story on our local newscasts. Haven't seen any such thing tonight. Also missing are reports from the local pleasure and commercial boating community, a close-knit group who are usually aware of the identity of the vessels among their ranks. Originally Posted by BenBurch Or just what it appears? I certainly hope not.

26th February 2013, 06:11 AM	#7
Pope130 Muse Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 965	I wonder if it might be a mis-hearing of the French "Chambleaux" or "Chambeaux"?

26th February 2013, 06:17 AM	#8
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P.J. Denyer Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,131	Originally Posted by Gawdzilla 1. Insurance scam? 2. A party who wished to make a credible exit? Presumably in either of these cases they'd want to be identified?

26th February 2013, 07:49 AM	#10
AJM8125 NWO Black Ops Tagger Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: **** Creek, California Posts: 15,254	Still nobody reporting them missing. The coast guard doesn't know who they are, where they came from or where they were going. All they had was radio contact. Very odd. http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=9007629

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Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,925	Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases. Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something.

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Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,532	Originally Posted by Sabretooth Something that struck me as odd when I first read the story: Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast? Well, I don't know about "common," but it's not unheard of.
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26th February 2013, 08:07 AM	#15
Sabretooth No Ordinary Rabbit Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wyoming, NY Posts: 6,149	Originally Posted by Cleon Well, I don't know about "common," but it's not unheard of. Yeah, but the Charm is obviously much smaller. Two adults to operate the ship? Doesn't sound like the type of boat I'd want to be on at that range.
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Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,532	Originally Posted by Sabretooth Yeah, but the Charm is obviously much smaller. Two adults to operate the ship? Doesn't sound like the type of boat I'd want to be on at that range. I wouldn't want to be on a replica of an 18th-century sailing ship in the face of a hurricane, either.
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26th February 2013, 08:45 AM	#18
TjW Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: up in the air Posts: 9,993	Originally Posted by Hellbound Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases. Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something. It could tell you whether it was coming from the direction of the ocean, I guess. Two, a few miles apart could tell you if it's plausible that it's 65 miles offshore. But you'd have to either have a policy of DFing every distress call. For navigation, it usually works the other way around: You have a DF onboard, and pick two or more non-directional beacons (NDBs) with sufficient spread to give you a good cross fix. Plot the reverse headings from the known position of the beacons, and where the lines cross is more-or-less where you are. But I think most people use GPS these days.
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Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,925	Originally Posted by TjW It could tell you whether it was coming from the direction of the ocean, I guess. Two, a few miles apart could tell you if it's plausible that it's 65 miles offshore. But you'd have to either have a policy of DFing every distress call. For navigation, it usually works the other way around: You have a DF onboard, and pick two or more non-directional beacons (NDBs) with sufficient spread to give you a good cross fix. Plot the reverse headings from the known position of the beacons, and where the lines cross is more-or-less where you are. But I think most people use GPS these days. Makes sense. I was just thinking about triangulating from two ships to get, at least, a search area. Of course, they may have done something like this, and be looking. I dunno. Thanks for the info, though

26th February 2013, 09:00 AM	#20
Buckaroo Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 1,717	Most likely a hoax. This kind of thing happens quite frequently, unfortunately; enough that there was a recent article in Boat U.S. Magazine discussing the problem. Jackasses do it for the lulz, getting a kick out of sending the Coast Guard out on wild goose chases (and indirectly jeopardizing the safety of other boaters). Penalties are stiff if the prankster is caught, but they rarely are.
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26th February 2013, 10:30 AM	#22
Sabretooth No Ordinary Rabbit Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wyoming, NY Posts: 6,149	And they are thinking hoax...from the CNN email alert: Quote: The Coast Guard is suspending a search for a boat with four occupants reported missing off San Francisco, a guard commander said today. He said the case is "possibly a hoax."
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,177	Originally Posted by Sabretooth Yeah, but the Charm is obviously much smaller. Two adults to operate the ship? Doesn't sound like the type of boat I'd want to be on at that range. Well, sounds as if they were operating as a motor boat. If they had been able to make any sail, they would not have been dead in the water and could have been beating for shore even as she was taking on water.
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,177	Just a thought that this could have been a family of itinerants who live "on the hook" - There are some vessels off Key West that people live on and which seem to be in very bad shape.
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catsmate1 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Dublin (the one in Ireland) Posts: 7,125	Originally Posted by Hellbound Does the Coast Guard not have radio direction finders? I know they're not necessarily common equipment, but they'd seem to be a logical item for someone involved in search and rescue on the ocean to have, at least on larger ships or bases. Not criticizing, just curious. I also don't know much abotut he details of how RDFs work, so maybe the signal wasn't strong enough or long enough or something. I'd have thought that even with GPS RDF would still be in use but I don't know much about the procedures. Originally Posted by Sabretooth Something that struck me as odd when I first read the story: Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast? A significant proportion of sailors are, frankly, nuts.
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,177	RDF needs two stations, or three if the stations are not themselves directional. I am betting this was a very low power transmitter very near the CG station that received the call.
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commandlinegamer Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mazes of Menace Posts: 5,903	Originally Posted by Sabretooth Is it common for sailing vessels to venture out 65 miles when rough seas are forecast? 1979 Fastnet race^WP I mention the above as there was a documentary on last night about the soon-to-be-retired Sea King helicopter, a mainstay of search-and-rescue operations in Britain for the last forty years and it mentioned the part they played saving people during the above fiasco.
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Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by TjW There aren't many racing yachts that would race with children on board, though. They make great moveable ballast and the sharks always start off with the smaller appetizers...
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BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,177	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am They make great moveable ballast and the sharks always start off with the smaller appetizers... Sudden flash to that scene in "Das Boot" where everybody ran forward during the crash dive...
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