Swiss factory shooting leaves several dead

Dcdrac · 27th February 2013, 07:23 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rland-shooting

Another country with lax gun controls has a tragedy...

Nessie · 27th February 2013, 09:35 AM

It does not matter what gun laws or how many or few guns there are, a massacre is still possible and will sadly happen.

According to the BBC the shooter had worked in the factory for 10 years and there was an incident in the canteen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21601323

It would be interesting to find out if it was his military issue gun and what was behind the shooting.

The biggest issue with guns in Switzerland is domestic homicides

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912

"Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns,"

Interestingly the suicide rate has halved as whilst guns were kept in the home, bullets were not

"But over the last 20 years, now that the majority of soldiers don't have ammunition at home, we have seen a decrease in gun violence and a dramatic decrease in gun-related suicides. Today we see maybe 200 gun suicides per year and it used to be 400, 20 years ago. "

StankApe · 27th February 2013, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dcdrac

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rland-shooting

Another country with lax gun controls has a tragedy...

nononono,

you people used Switzerland as an example of how the terrible USA was at fault because of how the Swiss were so responsible with all of these gun owners. You don't get to turn around and blame the guns.

consistency or bust

BenBurch · 27th February 2013, 09:54 AM

No guns == no shootings.

StankApe · 27th February 2013, 10:03 AM

guns are here, they aren't going anywhere, get used to it.

guns will NEVER be gone in the USA. get used to it.

gun ownership crosses party lines, get used to it

you will never amend the constitution to get rid of guns, get used to it

Ryokan · 27th February 2013, 10:10 AM

That's nice. Good debating skills. Got anything to say about the actual incident this thread is about?

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2013, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by StankApe

guns are here, they aren't going anywhere, get used to it.

guns will NEVER be gone in the USA. get used to it.

gun ownership crosses party lines, get used to it

you will never amend the constitution to get rid of guns, get used to it

On the contrary. As soon as someone invents a better weapon, guns will be trashed. In 2056 you really think even the most rabid NRA guy will be holding onto his feeble projectile weapons while the rest of us have phasers and sonic blasters and lightsabers? "Nice rifle, grandpa. Watch me shoot that satellite out of its orbit. Its orbit of Mars. You want me to set up a tin can for you?"

Bikewer · 27th February 2013, 10:34 AM

You can take my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator when you pry my cold, dead fingers....

Nessie · 27th February 2013, 10:59 AM

I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls.

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2013, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls.

Their cheese is riddled with bullet holes. Clearly things are out of control in Switzerland.

Ryokan · 27th February 2013, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls.

I think it's something that has sort of become truth, because of the way the Swiss militia keep their guns at home.

But that's how a lot of European countries operate. I keep my service weapon at home as well.

Alt+F4 · 27th February 2013, 11:18 AM

The U.S., Switzerland or anywhere else in the world.....ask yourself what do 90% of mass shootings (or shootings involving any crimes) have in common?

Hercules Rockefeller · 27th February 2013, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland

Hercules Rockefeller · 27th February 2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

The U.S., Switzerland or anywhere else in the world.....ask yourself what do 90% of mass shootings (or shootings involving any crimes) have in common?

Criminals?

Darat · 27th February 2013, 11:23 AM

Gender?

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2013, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

The U.S., Switzerland or anywhere else in the world.....ask yourself what do 90% of mass shootings (or shootings involving any crimes) have in common?

Poor people!

Alt+F4 · 27th February 2013, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Gender?

Yes, Darat, you got it. Almost 90% of all gun violence (anywhere in the world) is committed by males. Why is that? It would be useful in the pursuit of stopping gun violence if we address this FACT.

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2013, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Yes, Darat, you got it. Almost 90% of all gun violence (anywhere in the world) is committed by males. Why is that? It would be useful in the pursuit of stopping gun violence if we address this FACT.

Nearly 100% of gun violence is committed by people who are not in successful boy bands.

Nessie · 27th February 2013, 01:22 PM

Angry males out for revenge.

Nessie · 27th February 2013, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland

Which part amounts to lax control? If that lot was enforced in the USA there would be far better gun control than there is now.

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2013, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Nessie

Angry males out for revenge.

Nick Lachey. But I don't believe he's shot anybody. Yet.

Hercules Rockefeller · 27th February 2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Nessie

Which part amounts to lax control? If that lot was enforced in the USA there would be far better gun control than there is now.

The part where anyone over the age of 18 can buy semi-automatic rifles without a license.

KatieG · 27th February 2013, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

You can take my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator when you pry my cold, dead fingers....

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in days.

Xulld · 27th February 2013, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The part where anyone over the age of 18 can buy semi-automatic rifles without a license.

Which someones would you allow?

Hercules Rockefeller · 27th February 2013, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Xulld

Which someones would you allow?

Basically the same the Swiss do. From Wiki:

Quote:

Everyone over the age of 18 who is not psychiatrically disqualified (such as having had a history of endangering his own life or the lives of others) or identified as posing security problems, and who has a clean criminal record (requires a Criminal Records Bureau check) can request such a permit.

Doctor Plop · 27th February 2013, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Yes, Darat, you got it. Almost 90% of all gun violence (anywhere in the world) is committed by males. Why is that? It would be useful in the pursuit of stopping gun violence if we address this FACT.

The biggest problem with the gun violence community is just how darned sexist it still is.
Until it opens up and encourages more women into armed robbery, carjacking and mall massacres, I, as a white male, refuse to shoot any more innocent people.

rwguinn · 27th February 2013, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Basically the same the Swiss do. From Wiki:

You mean like the someones eligible in the US if the current laws were enforced?

Hercules Rockefeller · 27th February 2013, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by rwguinn

You mean like the someones eligible in the US if the current laws were enforced?

Yes, but I would also want people to take a training class and keep their weapons in a safe when not in use.

Aoidoi · 27th February 2013, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

On the contrary. As soon as someone invents a better weapon, guns will be trashed. In 2056 you really think even the most rabid NRA guy will be holding onto his feeble projectile weapons while the rest of us have phasers and sonic blasters and lightsabers? "Nice rifle, grandpa. Watch me shoot that satellite out of its orbit. Its orbit of Mars. You want me to set up a tin can for you?"

Naw, it'll be all quaint to get shot with actual bullets then. It'll be like when somebody gets killed by an arrow these days.

And everyone knows lightsabers are useless against anything that fires a projectile at faster than walking pace.

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2013, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Aoidoi

Naw, it'll be all quaint to get shot with actual bullets then. It'll be like when somebody gets killed by an arrow these days.

And everyone knows lightsabers are useless against anything that fires a projectile at faster than walking pace.

My future weapon fires lightsabers as bullets. At the speed of light. Every tenth round is a robot hamster with diamond teeth.

Nessie · 28th February 2013, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The part where anyone over the age of 18 can buy semi-automatic rifles without a license.

You have not read the section properly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...nd#Buying_guns

You need a permit with background and psychiatric checks before you can buy off a dealer and if there is no permit held with a private sale there are stringent rules.

If the USA had the Swiss permit and sales system it would be a lot harder for criminals, nuts, angry people and youths to get guns.

Hercules Rockefeller · 28th February 2013, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Nessie

You have not read the section properly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...nd#Buying_guns

You need a permit with background and psychiatric checks before you can buy off a dealer and if there is no permit held with a private sale there are stringent rules.

No, you don't need a "psychiatric check" to get your permit, where does it say that? You need to not be disqualified from owning a firearm.

Quote:

If the USA had the Swiss permit and sales system it would be a lot harder for criminals, nuts, angry people and youths to get guns.

How is it harder for an angry 18 year old to buy a gun in Switzerland than in the US? If you have a clean record you'll get your permit.

Nessie · 28th February 2013, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

No, you don't need a "psychiatric check" to get your permit, where does it say that? You need to not be disqualified from owning a firearm.

OK so not disqualified for psychiatric reasons.

Quote:

How is it harder for an angry 18 year old to buy a gun in Switzerland than in the US? If you have a clean record you'll get your permit.

That depends on what the background checks involve. There is an anger issue in Switzerland with is high proportion of domestic homicides and occasional mass shooting. Americans must be even angrier.

BenBurch · 28th February 2013, 07:26 AM

All we need is a mandatory insurance requirement.

Insurance companies are great at finding reasons to disqualify people.

Xulld · 28th February 2013, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Basically the same the Swiss do. From Wiki:

Quote:

Everyone over the age of 18 who is not psychiatrically disqualified (such as having had a history of endangering his own life or the lives of others) or identified as posing security problems, and who has a clean criminal record (requires a Criminal Records Bureau check) can request such a permit.

Ok, done.

Brady bill 1994

Many states also have permits for purchasing handguns, see North Carolina. Not that a piece of paper changes the requirements which are the same between what was stated above and the requirements imposed on form 4473
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

Next?

Hercules Rockefeller · 28th February 2013, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Xulld

Ok, done.

Brady bill 1994

Many states also have permits for purchasing handguns, see North Carolina. Not that a piece of paper changes the requirements which are the same between what was stated above and the requirements imposed on form 4473
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

Next?

Er, what is your point?

triforcharity · 28th February 2013, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by BenBurch

All we need is a mandatory insurance requirement.

Insurance companies are great at finding reasons to disqualify people.

Yeah, cause that will not violate the 2nd Amendment.....

PhantomWolf · 28th February 2013, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

Yeah, cause that will not violate the 2nd Amendment.....

Actually it wouldn't. Private companies can violate the 2nd amendment, and the first etc as much as they like, unless specifically forbidden by a different law..

WildCat · 28th February 2013, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

Actually it wouldn't. Private companies can violate the 2nd amendment, and the first etc as much as they like, unless specifically forbidden by a different law..

They're not the ones violating it, the goverment is by requiring insurance for the specific purpose of reducing gun ownership.

triforcharity · 28th February 2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

They're not the ones violating it, the goverment is by requiring insurance for the specific purpose of reducing gun ownership.

^^ This. This is absolutely correct. In the SCOTUS decision in McDonald vs City of Chicago, they stated that requiring something, (in McDonald's case) a permit, and then making that permit unattainable, is against the law.

I strongly suspect that requiring insurance, then allowing those companies to make their own rules for issuance, some which would be unattainable, would fall under the same decision.

But, either way, requiring insurance before someone can exercise a right, is absolutely wrong, no matter what right it is referring to.

27th February 2013, 07:23 AM	#1
Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,685	Swiss factory shooting leaves several dead http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rland-shooting Another country with lax gun controls has a tragedy...
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27th February 2013, 09:35 AM	#2
Nessie Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: At the bottom of a dark Scottish loch. Posts: 4,872	It does not matter what gun laws or how many or few guns there are, a massacre is still possible and will sadly happen. According to the BBC the shooter had worked in the factory for 10 years and there was an incident in the canteen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21601323 It would be interesting to find out if it was his military issue gun and what was behind the shooting. The biggest issue with guns in Switzerland is domestic homicides http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912 "Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns," Interestingly the suicide rate has halved as whilst guns were kept in the home, bullets were not "But over the last 20 years, now that the majority of soldiers don't have ammunition at home, we have seen a decrease in gun violence and a dramatic decrease in gun-related suicides. Today we see maybe 200 gun suicides per year and it used to be 400, 20 years ago. "
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27th February 2013, 09:50 AM	#3
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	Originally Posted by Dcdrac http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rland-shooting Another country with lax gun controls has a tragedy... nononono, you people used Switzerland as an example of how the terrible USA was at fault because of how the Swiss were so responsible with all of these gun owners. You don't get to turn around and blame the guns. consistency or bust
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27th February 2013, 09:54 AM	#4
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27th February 2013, 10:10 AM	#6
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,200	That's nice. Good debating skills. Got anything to say about the actual incident this thread is about?

27th February 2013, 10:28 AM	#7
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,114	Originally Posted by StankApe guns are here, they aren't going anywhere, get used to it. guns will NEVER be gone in the USA. get used to it. gun ownership crosses party lines, get used to it you will never amend the constitution to get rid of guns, get used to it On the contrary. As soon as someone invents a better weapon, guns will be trashed. In 2056 you really think even the most rabid NRA guy will be holding onto his feeble projectile weapons while the rest of us have phasers and sonic blasters and lightsabers? "Nice rifle, grandpa. Watch me shoot that satellite out of its orbit. Its orbit of Mars. You want me to set up a tin can for you?"
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27th February 2013, 10:59 AM	#9
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,114	Originally Posted by Nessie I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls. Their cheese is riddled with bullet holes. Clearly things are out of control in Switzerland.
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Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,200	Originally Posted by Nessie I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls. I think it's something that has sort of become truth, because of the way the Swiss militia keep their guns at home. But that's how a lot of European countries operate. I keep my service weapon at home as well.

27th February 2013, 11:18 AM	#12
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	The U.S., Switzerland or anywhere else in the world.....ask yourself what do 90% of mass shootings (or shootings involving any crimes) have in common?
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27th February 2013, 11:19 AM	#13
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,390	Originally Posted by Nessie I would like to see evidence to back up the claim Switzerland has lax gun controls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland
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27th February 2013, 11:20 AM	#14
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,390	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 The U.S., Switzerland or anywhere else in the world.....ask yourself what do 90% of mass shootings (or shootings involving any crimes) have in common? Criminals?
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,114	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 The U.S., Switzerland or anywhere else in the world.....ask yourself what do 90% of mass shootings (or shootings involving any crimes) have in common? Poor people!
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27th February 2013, 11:43 AM	#17
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	Originally Posted by Darat Gender? Yes, Darat, you got it. Almost 90% of all gun violence (anywhere in the world) is committed by males. Why is that? It would be useful in the pursuit of stopping gun violence if we address this FACT.
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27th February 2013, 11:56 AM	#18
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,114	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Yes, Darat, you got it. Almost 90% of all gun violence (anywhere in the world) is committed by males. Why is that? It would be useful in the pursuit of stopping gun violence if we address this FACT. Nearly 100% of gun violence is committed by people who are not in successful boy bands.
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27th February 2013, 01:24 PM	#20
Nessie Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: At the bottom of a dark Scottish loch. Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland Which part amounts to lax control? If that lot was enforced in the USA there would be far better gun control than there is now.
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TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,114	Originally Posted by Nessie Angry males out for revenge. Nick Lachey. But I don't believe he's shot anybody. Yet.
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27th February 2013, 01:32 PM	#22
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,390	Originally Posted by Nessie Which part amounts to lax control? If that lot was enforced in the USA there would be far better gun control than there is now. The part where anyone over the age of 18 can buy semi-automatic rifles without a license.
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Xulld Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,127	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller The part where anyone over the age of 18 can buy semi-automatic rifles without a license. Which someones would you allow?
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27th February 2013, 01:40 PM	#25
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,390	Originally Posted by Xulld Which someones would you allow? Basically the same the Swiss do. From Wiki: Quote: Everyone over the age of 18 who is not psychiatrically disqualified (such as having had a history of endangering his own life or the lives of others) or identified as posing security problems, and who has a clean criminal record (requires a Criminal Records Bureau check) can request such a permit.
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27th February 2013, 01:53 PM	#26
Doctor Plop Suspended Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Breathing on your back Posts: 191	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Yes, Darat, you got it. Almost 90% of all gun violence (anywhere in the world) is committed by males. Why is that? It would be useful in the pursuit of stopping gun violence if we address this FACT. The biggest problem with the gun violence community is just how darned sexist it still is. Until it opens up and encourages more women into armed robbery, carjacking and mall massacres, I, as a white male, refuse to shoot any more innocent people.
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27th February 2013, 01:53 PM	#27
rwguinn Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 16 miles from 7 lakes Posts: 8,457	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller Basically the same the Swiss do. From Wiki: You mean like the someones eligible in the US if the current laws were enforced?
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27th February 2013, 01:58 PM	#28
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,390	Originally Posted by rwguinn You mean like the someones eligible in the US if the current laws were enforced? Yes, but I would also want people to take a training class and keep their weapons in a safe when not in use.
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27th February 2013, 02:05 PM	#29
Aoidoi Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,418	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey On the contrary. As soon as someone invents a better weapon, guns will be trashed. In 2056 you really think even the most rabid NRA guy will be holding onto his feeble projectile weapons while the rest of us have phasers and sonic blasters and lightsabers? "Nice rifle, grandpa. Watch me shoot that satellite out of its orbit. Its orbit of Mars. You want me to set up a tin can for you?" Naw, it'll be all quaint to get shot with actual bullets then. It'll be like when somebody gets killed by an arrow these days. And everyone knows lightsabers are useless against anything that fires a projectile at faster than walking pace.
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27th February 2013, 02:52 PM	#30
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,114	Originally Posted by Aoidoi Naw, it'll be all quaint to get shot with actual bullets then. It'll be like when somebody gets killed by an arrow these days. And everyone knows lightsabers are useless against anything that fires a projectile at faster than walking pace. My future weapon fires lightsabers as bullets. At the speed of light. Every tenth round is a robot hamster with diamond teeth.
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28th February 2013, 02:36 AM	#31
Nessie Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: At the bottom of a dark Scottish loch. Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller The part where anyone over the age of 18 can buy semi-automatic rifles without a license. You have not read the section properly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...nd#Buying_guns You need a permit with background and psychiatric checks before you can buy off a dealer and if there is no permit held with a private sale there are stringent rules. If the USA had the Swiss permit and sales system it would be a lot harder for criminals, nuts, angry people and youths to get guns.
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28th February 2013, 03:04 AM	#32
Hercules Rockefeller Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Ponylandistan Posts: 1,390	Originally Posted by Nessie You have not read the section properly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...nd#Buying_guns You need a permit with background and psychiatric checks before you can buy off a dealer and if there is no permit held with a private sale there are stringent rules. No, you don't need a "psychiatric check" to get your permit, where does it say that? You need to not be disqualified from owning a firearm. Quote: If the USA had the Swiss permit and sales system it would be a lot harder for criminals, nuts, angry people and youths to get guns. How is it harder for an angry 18 year old to buy a gun in Switzerland than in the US? If you have a clean record you'll get your permit.
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28th February 2013, 03:55 AM	#33
Nessie Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: At the bottom of a dark Scottish loch. Posts: 4,872	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller No, you don't need a "psychiatric check" to get your permit, where does it say that? You need to not be disqualified from owning a firearm. OK so not disqualified for psychiatric reasons. Quote: How is it harder for an angry 18 year old to buy a gun in Switzerland than in the US? If you have a clean record you'll get your permit. That depends on what the background checks involve. There is an anger issue in Switzerland with is high proportion of domestic homicides and occasional mass shooting. Americans must be even angrier.
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28th February 2013, 07:26 AM	#34
BenBurch Gatekeeper of The Left Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Universe 35.2 ms ahead of this one. Posts: 32,222	All we need is a mandatory insurance requirement. Insurance companies are great at finding reasons to disqualify people.
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28th February 2013, 08:24 AM	#35
Xulld Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,127	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller Basically the same the Swiss do. From Wiki: Quote: Everyone over the age of 18 who is not psychiatrically disqualified (such as having had a history of endangering his own life or the lives of others) or identified as posing security problems, and who has a clean criminal record (requires a Criminal Records Bureau check) can request such a permit. Ok, done. Brady bill 1994 Many states also have permits for purchasing handguns, see North Carolina. Not that a piece of paper changes the requirements which are the same between what was stated above and the requirements imposed on form 4473 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473 http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf Next?
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