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Old 27th February 2013, 10:53 AM   #1
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Dog shoots man

http://www2.highlandstoday.com/news/...say-ar-643226/

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SEBRING --

It's a case of dog shoots man, not man shoots dog. Well, sort of.

A Frostproof man reported to Sebring police on Feb. 23 that he was traveling in his truck when his dog kicked a gun on the truck's floor, resulting in him being shot in the leg, according to a report.

Sebring police ruled the shooting accidental, and apparently the victim was not seriously injured.

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Old 27th February 2013, 11:04 AM   #2
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It's time to close the canine loophole.

Seriously though - firearm safety is more about the things you didn't think of than the things you did.
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Old 27th February 2013, 11:15 AM   #3
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And like all negative forms of safety, cannot be assured.
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Old 27th February 2013, 11:40 AM   #4
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I would have thought it common sense to unload a gun when it wasn't in immediate use.
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Old 27th February 2013, 11:49 AM   #5
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He was frostproof but not bulletproof? That's a weird superpower.
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Old 27th February 2013, 12:03 PM   #6
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I would have thought it common sense to unload a gun when it wasn't in immediate use.
Common sense isn't all that common. You are correct. In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to have a loaded weapon in a vehicle under way. If for some strange reason you don't unload the gun, anybody with a minimum of sense would have the safety on (if equipped) and the gun in a holster or scabbard. Leaving a loaded weapon loose on the floor of a vehicle with a dog is the height of stupidity, if you care at all for your own safety or that of the dog, or, for that matter people in the vicinity of the vehicle.
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From the linked article.
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Gregory Dale Lanier, 35, the victim, told investigators that he thought the gun in his pickup truck was not loaded.
For the love of ... It takes a few seconds to check if the gun is loaded. According to the aritcle, it was a 9mm, so probably a semi-auto pistol. It might have had a round in the chamber and empty magazine, but, again, that's something you check, if you have any sense at all.
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Originally Posted by CORed View Post
Common sense isn't all that common. You are correct. In many jurisdictions, it is illegal to have a loaded weapon in a vehicle under way. If for some strange reason you don't unload the gun, anybody with a minimum of sense would have the safety on (if equipped) and the gun in a holster or scabbard. Leaving a loaded weapon loose on the floor of a vehicle with a dog is the height of stupidity, if you care at all for your own safety or that of the dog, or, for that matter people in the vicinity of the vehicle.
Agreed. The way some people handle their firearms just infuriates me. Firearm safety is not just how safely one shoots, it is how one takes precaution with a firearm at all times including when not in one's own hands.

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From the linked article.

For the love of ... It takes a few seconds to check if the gun is loaded. According to the aritcle, it was a 9mm, so probably a semi-auto pistol. It might have had a round in the chamber and empty magazine, but, again, that's something you check, if you have any sense at all.
Even then, one should not take such risks and leave an even unloaded gun on the floor of a vehicle.
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All guns intended for defense should be loaded. All loaded firearms should be in a holster either on the person responsible for the firearm, or holstered and/or placed in a container. The law in Florida requires this, and makes sense IMHO.

Holsters do an amazing job of preventing objects entering the trigger guard.
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Old 27th February 2013, 12:18 PM   #10
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Glad the dog was not hurt.
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Originally Posted by Carnivore View Post
He was frostproof but not bulletproof? That's a weird superpower.
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Old 27th February 2013, 12:36 PM   #12
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All guns intended for defense should be loaded. All loaded firearms should be in a holster either on the person responsible for the firearm, or holstered and/or placed in a container. The law in Florida requires this, and makes sense IMHO.
Recently, my father-in-law left a loaded, un-holstered gun on his kitchen table. I was the only one that was horrified.

The dog was sleeping in another room.
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Old 27th February 2013, 01:46 PM   #13
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I remember these sorts of stories not being all that uncommon back when I lived in Michigan. Hunting dogs would knock over or get tangled with rifles all the time. The news only seemed to report it if there was a fatality or the wound was in a particularly amusing place.
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We've had a couple of cases of dogs shooting their owners here. The most common senario seems to be that when out hunting, the owner puts his rifle down to climb through or over a fence, and the dog steps on the trigger firing it.
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We've had a couple of cases of dogs shooting their owners here. The most common senario seems to be that when out hunting, the owner puts his rifle down to climb through or over a fence, and the dog steps on the trigger firing it.
Yep, and that is why before crossing fences I unload my rifle. SOP for hunter education courses, and something I make sure is habitual for anyone I hunt with.

Dogs or not, stuff can get in the trigger guard, or click off a safety. If a loaded gun is not holstered, its a rattlesnake. When its holstered, its a rattlesnake in a box.

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Recently, my father-in-law left a loaded, un-holstered gun on his kitchen table. I was the only one that was horrified.

The dog was sleeping in another room.
Makes me cringe!
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This dog should be investigated. Did it open a life insurance policy on the guy? Is it named in the will? If this guy has more brains than he's already proven himself to lack, he'll be careful around that dog. Or the next attempt might come off successful.
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Old 27th February 2013, 04:35 PM   #17
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This dog should be investigated. Did it open a life insurance policy on the guy? Is it named in the will? If this guy has more brains than he's already proven himself to lack, he'll be careful around that dog. Or the next attempt might come off successful.
Whether it planned the "accident" or not, it is highly likely that the dog is smarter than its owner.
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Just having a dog loose in a truck is pretty unsafe, even without a gun.
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Just having a dog loose in a truck is pretty unsafe, even without a gun.
Precisely! The dog may in fact be expert with a knife, or a secret master of the nunchucks, or have a piano wire garrotte concealed in its sleeve.
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I am glad to hear the dog was not hurt, too.

Sebring is not located in Arkansas, is it? Because I had a powerful Lewis Black moment coming up.

http://www.comedycentral.com/video-c...te-of-arkansas

Hope the video shows up for you.
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Precisely! The dog may in fact be expert with a knife, or a secret master of the nunchucks, or have a piano wire garrotte concealed in its sleeve.
Or become pinned up against your arms due to G forces, and prevent you from executing defensive driving and saving your life or others.
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Or become pinned up against your arms due to G forces, and prevent you from executing defensive driving and saving your life or others.
That sounds pretty unlikely. Sure, Freckles the pug got a jury to believe that. Then went on to live in his dead owners palatial Malibu dream house. But I for one question whether Freckles didn't deliberately crash that pink sports car, with malice aforethought, for the money.
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Old 28th February 2013, 01:32 PM   #23
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I would have thought it common sense to unload a gun when it wasn't in immediate use.
Then the owner wouldn't be able to defend himself from the roving bands of criminal thugs, Hell-bent on invading your home and raping your family.
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My hunch is the idiot considered himself one of the responsible gun owners that feels us anti-gun folks are trying to take away his rights. It sure would suck if one of his guns took away one of his legs.
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Then the owner wouldn't be able to defend himself from the roving bands of criminal thugs, Hell-bent on invading your home and raping your family.
What a horriffic idea! Live with my family? Like, they'd stay in my house? Ugh! I might well buy a gun to prevent that from happening.
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"Sebring Police Cmdr. Steve Carr said police did not arrest the dog or detain the animal, pending the investigation."

WTF???
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"Sebring Police Cmdr. Steve Carr said police did not arrest the dog or detain the animal, pending the investigation."

WTF???
One can only hope that Cmdr. Steve Carr has a sense of humour.

Oh, and the commander thinks that the "victim" may have invented the story.

Dog shoots man in Florida - maybe
Commander Steve Carr, a police spokesman in the central town of Sebring, where the shooting occurred on Saturday, said there were "some indications" the shooting victim may have made up his "dog shoots man" story.
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One can only hope that Cmdr. Steve Carr has a sense of humour.

Oh, and the commander thinks that the "victim" may have invented the story.

Dog shoots man in Florida - maybe
Commander Steve Carr, a police spokesman in the central town of Sebring, where the shooting occurred on Saturday, said there were "some indications" the shooting victim may have made up his "dog shoots man" story.
I wouldn't doubt it, the idiot didn't even know what caliber his gun is.
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Then the owner wouldn't be able to defend himself from the roving bands of criminal thugs, Hell-bent on invading your home and raping your family.
No the dog will defend them from those, the gun is to defend himself from the dog....... DOH!
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The sad thing is that if he'd had a concealed carry permit, he could've stopped that dog before the dog had chance to open fire.

Personally, I think the dog overheard him talking to Jim Bob about "taking ol' Freckles in to have him fixed" and Freckles has this fine alsatian bitch he's had his eye on, so it was either bust a cap in his ass (literally, one hopes) or no more sprinkler parties for Freckles.
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Did he have a dog license? Did the dog have a gun permit? Will Jessica find out about Chester? All these questions, and more, will be answered on the next episode of Soap.
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Re: Dog shoots man

Good morning.
It takes a good dog with a gun to stop a bad dog. BAD DOG. with a gun. I didn't read the article so I don't know if the gun was a longleg or a pawgun.
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One can only hope that Cmdr. Steve Carr has a sense of humour.

Oh, and the commander thinks that the "victim" may have invented the story.

Dog shoots man in Florida - maybe
Commander Steve Carr, a police spokesman in the central town of Sebring, where the shooting occurred on Saturday, said there were "some indications" the shooting victim may have made up his "dog shoots man" story.
I like that.

Gun owner pretends to be a acceptably irresponsible gun owner to cover up for being an unacceptably irresponsible gun owner.
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Good morning.
It takes a good dog with a gun to stop a bad dog. BAD DOG. with a gun. I didn't read the article so I don't know if the gun was a longleg or a pawgun.
Don't be silly, the good dog doesn't need a gun, just a rolled up newspaper...
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Good morning.
It takes a good dog with a gun to stop a bad dog. BAD DOG. with a gun. I didn't read the article so I don't know if the gun was a longleg or a pawgun.
But can a god dog with a gun stop a bad man with a old tennis ball?
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That's why I don't hunt with dogs.
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That's why I don't hunt with dogs.
They bag more than their limit?
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
They bag more than their limit?
No. The real reason is I like the challenge of still hunting more. Hunting with dogs is more of a group effort and sometimes the guys who show up for dog hunts are not that safe. The only accidental shooting I have ever witnessed was just before a dog hunt. The guy shot his own foot with a 12-gauge (in a crowd of about 20 people). The dogs will chase the deer out of an area but whether someone manages to shoot them or not seems to be more luck than anything else. Still hunting requires you to learn more about deer patterns and movements. You have to outsmart them in their own environment rather than disrupt their environment and catch them fleeing it.
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Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker View Post
No. The real reason is I like the challenge of still hunting more. Hunting with dogs is more of a group effort and sometimes the guys who show up for dog hunts are not that safe. The only accidental shooting I have ever witnessed was just before a dog hunt. The guy shot his own foot with a 12-gauge (in a crowd of about 20 people). The dogs will chase the deer out of an area but whether someone manages to shoot them or not seems to be more luck than anything else. Still hunting requires you to learn more about deer patterns and movements. You have to outsmart them in their own environment rather than disrupt their environment and catch them fleeing it.
I've never understood the fun of hunting with hounds either, it just doesn't seem sporting. Especially something like cougar hunting where the dogs chase the cougar up a tree. Same goes with bear baiting, what's the challenge in that?

But I see the value of dogs for hunting ducks, it doesn't make killing them any easier they just swim out and retrieve it for you. And it's just a fun game to the dog.
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