I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS.

16th March 2003, 10:46 AM

IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS.

WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE?

LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN?

WELL GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT YOUR SO-CALLED "PARANORMAL" CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT..

YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY...

IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL".......

PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!!

MRC_Hans · 16th March 2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by muscleman:

Quote:

All caps post ignored.

Hans

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 16th March 2003, 11:13 AM

Muscleman, my friend, snap out of it!

What does proving it to you "online" have to do with anything?

~~ Paul

Kilted_Canuck · 16th March 2003, 11:41 AM

ungh, one, two, three....I'm typing one handed, the other is lifting the 150 lb weights.

where's my million.

Sanamas · 16th March 2003, 12:07 PM

If you listen closely, you can actually hear his brain misfiring.

Beleth · 16th March 2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by muscleman
IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS.

WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE?

150 pounds.

Three times.

Very well. I am open to this offer. Let's talk.

First off, this is what I will need from you:
1) Proof that you have a million dollars in a trust fund.
2) What you would consider acceptable online proof.

Quote:

LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN?

Only if you yourself started from the position where it can never be proven, in which case it's you that sounds ridiculous, not the offer.

It's pretty obvious that your agenda here is to show that this is somehow analogous to the JREF challenge. Please, feel free to cut to the chase.

shemp · 16th March 2003, 12:23 PM

With whom to my " If it possibly prove ONLINE",; Their 3 publications 150 pounds? The canned food, must then give? My 1,000,000 American dollars hatchets. Well? Who with it possibly proves can do on-line to my you? LOL, as for laughably sounds for that you, according to order? The proof and the method, I who is invited not to be possible to you to prove never? Some one health extrapolates that is you generally " which knows; As for PARANORMAL" something; Requests entire approximately is. Whether it do look like for your whom are are possibly do what, or one, asks " it give the reward; The normal state is not (PARANORMAL) as for is " So it are, it do, oak here as for challenges one some " for me; Is not NORMAL" Does, you think and the consideration complete. But your hope entire for has not attempted that... U person word " The true morning means starts is IM is silent, I do not understand the matter and PARANORMAL" Or " NOT-NCCCOcCRcCMcCAcCL" Never! When it are not or, or you give the behavior, you promise

http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/

arcticpenguin · 16th March 2003, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by muscleman

IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL".......

You're doing a pretty good job of defining "not normal".

neutrino_cannon · 16th March 2003, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

You're doing a pretty good job of defining "not normal".

As per usual. Now suppose I were to bench the 150 in nullo, would it count then?

Earthborn · 16th March 2003, 02:30 PM

Muscleman, send your million to this guy:
http://www.t-mag.com/html/body_115b600.html

Actually, make that 4 million...

16th March 2003, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shemp
With whom to my " If it possibly prove ONLINE",; Their 3 publications 150 pounds? The canned food, must then give? My 1,000,000 American dollars hatchets. Well? Who with it possibly proves can do on-line to my you? LOL, as for laughably sounds for that you, according to order? The proof and the method, I who is invited not to be possible to you to prove never? Some one health extrapolates that is you generally " which knows; As for PARANORMAL" something; Requests entire approximately is. Whether it do look like for your whom are are possibly do what, or one, asks " it give the reward; The normal state is not (PARANORMAL) as for is " So it are, it do, oak here as for challenges one some " for me; Is not NORMAL" Does, you think and the consideration complete. But your hope entire for has not attempted that... U person word " The true morning means starts is IM is silent, I do not understand the matter and PARANORMAL" Or " NOT-NCCCOcCRcCMcCAcCL" Never! When it are not or, or you give the behavior, you promise

http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/

LOL I wonder what my dragonspeak voice recognition utility will make of it? Hmmmm, let's try:

I got a one million dollar challenge you guys.

If anyone can prove to me called online that they can venge festival and £50 3 times, then I will warn you with one million dollars.

Well? Can anyone prove to you can do it online?

ol, doesn't sound ridiculous? Me asking you to prove in the wake never be proven?

Well guess what, that is what your so-called paranormal claim is all about.

You ask reward anyone which can perform something that is not normal (paranormal, but EI and with the challenge which is considered not normal.. But you all don't want to give it try... Einstein to be speechless, I don't even know what you guys really meant by the word paranormal or not-normal.......

Promising toward an act which never exists!!!!!

c4ts · 16th March 2003, 04:32 PM

Muscleman doesn't have 1 million dollars to begin with, so there's no use bringing a webcam to the weight room.

Ladewig · 16th March 2003, 05:58 PM

Quote:

With whom to my " If it possibly prove ONLINE",; Their 3 publications 150 pounds? The canned food, must then give? My 1,000,000 American dollars hatchets. Well? Who with it possibly proves can do on-line to my you? LOL, as for laughably sounds for that you, according to order? The proof and the method, I who is invited not to be possible to you to prove never? Some one health extrapolates that is you generally " which knows; As for PARANORMAL" something; Requests entire approximately is. Whether it do look like for your whom are are possibly do what, or one, asks " it give the reward; The normal state is not (PARANORMAL) as for is " So it are, it do, oak here as for challenges one some " for me; Is not NORMAL" Does, you think and the consideration complete. But your hope entire for has not attempted that... U person word " The true morning means starts is IM is silent, I do not understand the matter and PARANORMAL" Or " NOT-NCCCOcCRcCMcCAcCL" Never! When it are not or, or you give the behavior, you promise

Well, if we are going to play telephone, then I'll try my Yoda voice.

You wish to possibly online prove, eh? A Jedi seeks not publication - 3 or otherwise. The planet 150 ponds has, yes? For the canned food, what must given be? One million pelicans must given be. There is no possibly prove - there is possibly understand and possibly not understand. On the line stay you must. Leave the line and leave order. The proof in the force is. [wiggling of ears] The method in the force is also. Your ordinary polates handle you must. Your extra polates handle you must never. When one is not schooled in the force, the normal paranormal seems and the paranormal normal seems - be fooled not. The Emperor the state rules - l'etat, Emperor c'est. Many challenges face you will. Nonsense, also, face you will. Normal, normal, NORMAL! Wait. Where I was? This rock - it matter is. This desire - it silent should be. Paranormal, SHMARANORMAL. [stamping of staff]

Elaborate · 16th March 2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by muscleman
IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS.

WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE?

LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN?

WELL GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT YOUR SO-CALLED "PARANORMAL" CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT..

YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY...

IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL".......

PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!!

First of all, quit the all caps crap. It does nothing to help your position.

Second of all, your challange is easy. A person could merely e-mail to you a video of themselves bench pressing 150 lbs three times. Not too difficult.

16th March 2003, 07:40 PM

It's become more than apparent that "proof" is meaningless to some.

Scott

16th March 2003, 09:58 PM

Quote:

NOW HOW MANY TIMES CAN MUSCLEMAN BENCH PRESS 400 LBS?

HE CAN DO IT 15 TIMES, 10 SETS, IN UNDER 30 MINUTES...

400 LBS MULTIPLIED BY 15 IS EQUALS TO 6,000. 6,000 MULTIPLIED BY 10 IS EQUALS TO 60,000 LBS!!

SO MUSCLEMAN CAN BENCH PRESS 60,000 LBS IN UNDER 30 MINUTES!!!

Well, using muscleman's "60,000 LBS!!" calculations as a template, obviously I've lifted my own blankets (weighing about five pounds) off myself to get up in the morning approximately 13,150 times. That means I've lifted 150 LBS from a horizontal position 438 times. This more than qualifies by muscleman's own metrics.

Pay up.

Theodore Kurita · 17th March 2003, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by muscleman
IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS.

WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE?

LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN?

WELL GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT YOUR SO-CALLED "PARANORMAL" CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT..

YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY...

IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL".......

PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!!

Simon Bar Sinister · 17th March 2003, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by muscleman
IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS

When will you be finished?

MRC_Hans · 17th March 2003, 11:51 PM

Quote:

YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY...

IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL".......

PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!!

Muscle, you seem to have mixed things up here: The James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) has made the $1mill challenge, not the people posting here on this board. None of us have a million to spare. If you want to contend for the JREF challenge, you need to apply to JREF. No amount of posting here will make you eligible for the prize.

But I can tell you this: The point of the prize IS to prove that nothing supernatural exists. But since you cant prove a negative, the price is awarded to anybody who can prove that it DOES exist. So far it is still unclaimed.

Hans

18th March 2003, 07:17 AM

If anyone out there can prove that I have a million dollars, I'll split it with you!

18th March 2003, 07:40 AM

Do you know what I want to know?

Why did he post this in "Religion and Philosophy"?

Upchurch · 18th March 2003, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UndercoverElephant
Why did he post this in "Religion and Philosophy"?

[thinking]

....because his Samson-like strength is a gift from God?

[shurgs]

CWL · 18th March 2003, 09:48 AM

Benchpressing has exactly got what to do with religion and/or philosophy?

synaesthesia · 18th March 2003, 10:04 AM

Sure, I'll take up your challenge, if you have 1,000,000 bucks.

Tell me, would your standards of evidence admit as a serious possibility the notion that the moon landing was faked?

Would they admit of the Cartesian Demon? Because if the demon has slid between the retina and the world, he can slide between the retina and the optical nerve. Between the optical nerve and the occipital lobe. Within the occiptial lobe, conspiratorial neurons proliferate their improbable dance of deception.

At any rate, if a million dollars WAS at stake, I could invest substantial resources and make it virtually impossible for there to be any mistake as to whether or not I was capable of performing the physical task. Yes, I could prove it to any remotely reasonable standard of evidence.

The paranormal, on the other hand, has the disadvantage of really being largely about people's delusionary powers. For THAT reason and no other does there exist such a paucity of even vaguely plausible evidence for many claims of spooky and improbable things happening.

18th March 2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmygun
If anyone out there can prove that I have a million dollars, I'll split it with you!

Well, nobody can prove that you DON'T have a million dollars. So the belief 'you have a million dollars' is just as likely as the belief 'you don't have a million dollars' - the amegadollarist needs to have just as much faith as the megadollarist. But of course the megadollarist has the solace in the hard times of life that he will in time be given his half share of those million dollars. What has amegadollarism ever offered the world to compare with that greatest of gifts? Nothing!

synaesthesia · 18th March 2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phobos
Well, nobody can prove that you DON'T have a million dollars. So the belief 'you have a million dollars' is just as likely as the belief 'you don't have a million dollars' - the amegadollarist needs to have just as much faith as the megadollarist.

Your reasoning starts out with two erronious premises. First of all, we can determine to a very, VERY high degree of certainty that a given person does not have a million dollars. Investigating their past, their work history, who they have assocaited with are cumulatively highly reliable.

Secondly, you presuppose that the null hypothesis is that the median person is as likely to have a million dollars as not. This is preposterous, the average and median levels of wealth are far, far below a million or even fifty thousand dollars. It is a priori more probable that whatever wealth he does have is below that level.

c4ts · 18th March 2003, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CWL
Benchpressing has exactly got what to do with religion and/or philosophy?

According to Plato, Socrates said the gymnasion was an important part of true philosophy. The noble savage is strong, because man in his natural state can lift 150 pounds easily. Besides, how can you expect to be a Nietzian superman if you can't bench press 150 pounds at least three times?

18th March 2003, 11:21 PM

ILL BE OFF ONLINE FOR A WHILE GUYS, AND YES, I HAVE READ YOUR POSTS HERE. I HAVE A HARD TRAINING, AMATEUR BOXING MATCH (IN A CLUB) 2 WEEKS FROM NOW. MUST WIN (NOT THAT I HAVE EVER LOST), BUT I SAW THE GOLD TROPHY GUYS WON EARLIER, MUST HAVE A PICE OF THAT..

THAT, AND I HAVE A GOD TO WORSHIP AND PRAISE...ILL B BUSY FOR A WHILE, SO SORRY, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO LEARN "NEW" ATHEISTS CONCEPTS, IF IT EXIST, (MY SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT), THE PHYSICAL ME IS BEING CALLED..

MRC_Hans · 19th March 2003, 12:04 AM

Thank you! Have a good time, and don't hurry back.

-- Might I suggest we post no more on this thread, in the hope that it will sink into oblivion on a busy forum?

Hans

Ceinwyn · 19th March 2003, 12:29 AM

And here I thought he was pumping grace for the Lord.

Oh well.../dennis miller

synaesthesia · 19th March 2003, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by muscleman
THAT, AND I HAVE A GOD TO WORSHIP AND PRAISE...ILL B BUSY FOR A WHILE, SO SORRY, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO LEARN "NEW" ATHEISTS CONCEPTS, IF IT EXIST, (MY SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT), THE PHYSICAL ME IS BEING CALLED..

Good luck with your boxing match, although I'm a little hard pressed to understand the meaning of your last comment.

As I suspected, you provide no explanation of your challenge or epistemological grounding. This leads me to suspect that you are not holding a reasonable standard of evidence and are simply enacting a simplistic parody.

16th March 2003, 10:46 AM	#1
muscleman Guest Posts: n/a	I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS. WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE? LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN? WELL GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT YOUR SO-CALLED "PARANORMAL" CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT.. YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY... IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL"....... PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!!
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16th March 2003, 11:01 AM	#2
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16th March 2003, 11:13 AM	#3
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16th March 2003, 12:07 PM	#5
Sanamas Thinker Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 173	If you listen closely, you can actually hear his brain misfiring.
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16th March 2003, 12:21 PM	#6
Beleth FAQ Creator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not in a cave Posts: 4,134	Re: I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. Quote: Originally posted by muscleman IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS. WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE? 150 pounds. Three times. Very well. I am open to this offer. Let's talk. First off, this is what I will need from you: 1) Proof that you have a million dollars in a trust fund. 2) What you would consider acceptable online proof. Quote: LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN? Only if you yourself started from the position where it can never be proven, in which case it's you that sounds ridiculous, not the offer. It's pretty obvious that your agenda here is to show that this is somehow analogous to the JREF challenge. Please, feel free to cut to the chase.
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16th March 2003, 11:41 AM	#4
Kilted_Canuck MaterialistPatriotic AgnosticSocialistNaieve Saskatchewanian RadicalCanuckistani Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,377	ungh, one, two, three....I'm typing one handed, the other is lifting the 150 lb weights. where's my million.

16th March 2003, 12:23 PM	#7
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,893	What muscleman really meant to say was... With whom to my " If it possibly prove ONLINE",; Their 3 publications 150 pounds? The canned food, must then give? My 1,000,000 American dollars hatchets. Well? Who with it possibly proves can do on-line to my you? LOL, as for laughably sounds for that you, according to order? The proof and the method, I who is invited not to be possible to you to prove never? Some one health extrapolates that is you generally " which knows; As for PARANORMAL" something; Requests entire approximately is. Whether it do look like for your whom are are possibly do what, or one, asks " it give the reward; The normal state is not (PARANORMAL) as for is " So it are, it do, oak here as for challenges one some " for me; Is not NORMAL" Does, you think and the consideration complete. But your hope entire for has not attempted that... U person word " The true morning means starts is IM is silent, I do not understand the matter and PARANORMAL" Or " NOT-NCCCOcCRcCMcCAcCL" Never! When it are not or, or you give the behavior, you promise http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/
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16th March 2003, 12:29 PM	#8
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16th March 2003, 12:44 PM	#9
neutrino_cannon Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seventh circle of limbo Posts: 2,575	Re: Re: I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. Quote: Originally posted by arcticpenguin You're doing a pretty good job of defining "not normal". As per usual. Now suppose I were to bench the 150 in nullo, would it count then?
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16th March 2003, 02:30 PM	#10
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16th March 2003, 03:15 PM	#11
Interesting Ian Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What muscleman really meant to say was... Quote: Originally posted by shemp With whom to my " If it possibly prove ONLINE",; Their 3 publications 150 pounds? The canned food, must then give? My 1,000,000 American dollars hatchets. Well? Who with it possibly proves can do on-line to my you? LOL, as for laughably sounds for that you, according to order? The proof and the method, I who is invited not to be possible to you to prove never? Some one health extrapolates that is you generally " which knows; As for PARANORMAL" something; Requests entire approximately is. Whether it do look like for your whom are are possibly do what, or one, asks " it give the reward; The normal state is not (PARANORMAL) as for is " So it are, it do, oak here as for challenges one some " for me; Is not NORMAL" Does, you think and the consideration complete. But your hope entire for has not attempted that... U person word " The true morning means starts is IM is silent, I do not understand the matter and PARANORMAL" Or " NOT-NCCCOcCRcCMcCAcCL" Never! When it are not or, or you give the behavior, you promise http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ LOL I wonder what my dragonspeak voice recognition utility will make of it? Hmmmm, let's try: I got a one million dollar challenge you guys. If anyone can prove to me called online that they can venge festival and £50 3 times, then I will warn you with one million dollars. Well? Can anyone prove to you can do it online? ol, doesn't sound ridiculous? Me asking you to prove in the wake never be proven? Well guess what, that is what your so-called paranormal claim is all about. You ask reward anyone which can perform something that is not normal (paranormal, but EI and with the challenge which is considered not normal.. But you all don't want to give it try... Einstein to be speechless, I don't even know what you guys really meant by the word paranormal or not-normal....... Promising toward an act which never exists!!!!!
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16th March 2003, 04:32 PM	#12
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16th March 2003, 05:58 PM	#13
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,827	Quote: With whom to my " If it possibly prove ONLINE",; Their 3 publications 150 pounds? The canned food, must then give? My 1,000,000 American dollars hatchets. Well? Who with it possibly proves can do on-line to my you? LOL, as for laughably sounds for that you, according to order? The proof and the method, I who is invited not to be possible to you to prove never? Some one health extrapolates that is you generally " which knows; As for PARANORMAL" something; Requests entire approximately is. Whether it do look like for your whom are are possibly do what, or one, asks " it give the reward; The normal state is not (PARANORMAL) as for is " So it are, it do, oak here as for challenges one some " for me; Is not NORMAL" Does, you think and the consideration complete. But your hope entire for has not attempted that... U person word " The true morning means starts is IM is silent, I do not understand the matter and PARANORMAL" Or " NOT-NCCCOcCRcCMcCAcCL" Never! When it are not or, or you give the behavior, you promise Well, if we are going to play telephone, then I'll try my Yoda voice. You wish to possibly online prove, eh? A Jedi seeks not publication - 3 or otherwise. The planet 150 ponds has, yes? For the canned food, what must given be? One million pelicans must given be. There is no possibly prove - there is possibly understand and possibly not understand. On the line stay you must. Leave the line and leave order. The proof in the force is. [wiggling of ears] The method in the force is also. Your ordinary polates handle you must. Your extra polates handle you must never. When one is not schooled in the force, the normal paranormal seems and the paranormal normal seems - be fooled not. The Emperor the state rules - l'etat, Emperor c'est. Many challenges face you will. Nonsense, also, face you will. Normal, normal, NORMAL! Wait. Where I was? This rock - it matter is. This desire - it silent should be. Paranormal, SHMARANORMAL. [stamping of staff]

16th March 2003, 07:26 PM	#14
Elaborate Scholar Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 60	Re: I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. Quote: Originally posted by muscleman IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS. WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE? LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN? WELL GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT YOUR SO-CALLED "PARANORMAL" CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT.. YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY... IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL"....... PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!! First of all, quit the all caps crap. It does nothing to help your position. Second of all, your challange is easy. A person could merely e-mail to you a video of themselves bench pressing 150 lbs three times. Not too difficult.
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16th March 2003, 07:40 PM	#15
ScottDYelich Guest Posts: n/a	insanity It's become more than apparent that "proof" is meaningless to some. Scott
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16th March 2003, 09:58 PM	#16
evildave Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: NOW HOW MANY TIMES CAN MUSCLEMAN BENCH PRESS 400 LBS? HE CAN DO IT 15 TIMES, 10 SETS, IN UNDER 30 MINUTES... 400 LBS MULTIPLIED BY 15 IS EQUALS TO 6,000. 6,000 MULTIPLIED BY 10 IS EQUALS TO 60,000 LBS!! SO MUSCLEMAN CAN BENCH PRESS 60,000 LBS IN UNDER 30 MINUTES!!! Well, using muscleman's "60,000 LBS!!" calculations as a template, obviously I've lifted my own blankets (weighing about five pounds) off myself to get up in the morning approximately 13,150 times. That means I've lifted 150 LBS from a horizontal position 438 times. This more than qualifies by muscleman's own metrics. Pay up.
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17th March 2003, 11:12 AM	#17
Theodore Kurita Leader of the Draconis Combine Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 907	Re: I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. Quote: Originally posted by muscleman IF ANYONE CAN PROVE TO ME "ONLINE" THAT THEY CAN BENCH PRESS 150 LBS 3 TIMES, THEN I WILL AWARD YOU WITH 1 MILLION DOLLARS. WELL? CAN ANYONE PROVE TO ME YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE? LOL, DOES IT SOUND RIDICULOUS? ME ASKING YOU TO PROVE IN A WAY IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN? WELL GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHAT YOUR SO-CALLED "PARANORMAL" CLAIM IS ALL ABOUT.. YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY... IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL"....... PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!!

17th March 2003, 02:03 PM	#18
Simon Bar Sinister Student Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 39	Re: I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. Quote: Originally posted by muscleman IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS When will you be finished?
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17th March 2003, 11:51 PM	#19
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Quote: YOU ASK TO REWARD ANYONE WHICH CAN PERFORM SOMETHING THAT IS "NOT NORMAL (PARANORMAL)", BUT HERE I AM WITH A CHALLENGE WHICH IS CONSIDERED "NOT NORMAL".. BUT YOU ALL DONT WANT TO GIVE IT A TRY... IM STARTING TO BE SPEECHLESS, I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT U GUYS REALLY MEANT BY THE WORD "PARANORMAL" OR "NOT-NORMAL"....... PROMISING TO AWARD AN ACT WHICH NEVER EXIST!!!!! Muscle, you seem to have mixed things up here: The James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) has made the $1mill challenge, not the people posting here on this board. None of us have a million to spare. If you want to contend for the JREF challenge, you need to apply to JREF. No amount of posting here will make you eligible for the prize. But I can tell you this: The point of the prize IS to prove that nothing supernatural exists. But since you cant prove a negative, the price is awarded to anybody who can prove that it DOES exist. So far it is still unclaimed. Hans
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18th March 2003, 07:17 AM	#20
Guest Posts: n/a	If anyone out there can prove that I have a million dollars, I'll split it with you!
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18th March 2003, 07:40 AM	#21
Guest Posts: n/a	Do you know what I want to know? Why did he post this in "Religion and Philosophy"?
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18th March 2003, 08:10 AM	#22
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,428	Quote: Originally posted by UndercoverElephant Why did he post this in "Religion and Philosophy"? [thinking] ....because his Samson-like strength is a gift from God? [shurgs]

18th March 2003, 09:48 AM	#23
CWL Funkateer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 1,370	Benchpressing has exactly got what to do with religion and/or philosophy?
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18th March 2003, 10:04 AM	#24
synaesthesia Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 195	Re: I GOT A 1 MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE FOR YOU GUYS. Sure, I'll take up your challenge, if you have 1,000,000 bucks. Tell me, would your standards of evidence admit as a serious possibility the notion that the moon landing was faked? Would they admit of the Cartesian Demon? Because if the demon has slid between the retina and the world, he can slide between the retina and the optical nerve. Between the optical nerve and the occipital lobe. Within the occiptial lobe, conspiratorial neurons proliferate their improbable dance of deception. At any rate, if a million dollars WAS at stake, I could invest substantial resources and make it virtually impossible for there to be any mistake as to whether or not I was capable of performing the physical task. Yes, I could prove it to any remotely reasonable standard of evidence. The paranormal, on the other hand, has the disadvantage of really being largely about people's delusionary powers. For THAT reason and no other does there exist such a paucity of even vaguely plausible evidence for many claims of spooky and improbable things happening.
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18th March 2003, 11:03 AM	#25
phobos Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: Originally posted by jimmygun If anyone out there can prove that I have a million dollars, I'll split it with you! Well, nobody can prove that you DON'T have a million dollars. So the belief 'you have a million dollars' is just as likely as the belief 'you don't have a million dollars' - the amegadollarist needs to have just as much faith as the megadollarist. But of course the megadollarist has the solace in the hard times of life that he will in time be given his half share of those million dollars. What has amegadollarism ever offered the world to compare with that greatest of gifts? Nothing!
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18th March 2003, 12:33 PM	#26
synaesthesia Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 195	Quote: Originally posted by phobos Well, nobody can prove that you DON'T have a million dollars. So the belief 'you have a million dollars' is just as likely as the belief 'you don't have a million dollars' - the amegadollarist needs to have just as much faith as the megadollarist. Your reasoning starts out with two erronious premises. First of all, we can determine to a very, VERY high degree of certainty that a given person does not have a million dollars. Investigating their past, their work history, who they have assocaited with are cumulatively highly reliable. Secondly, you presuppose that the null hypothesis is that the median person is as likely to have a million dollars as not. This is preposterous, the average and median levels of wealth are far, far below a million or even fifty thousand dollars. It is a priori more probable that whatever wealth he does have is below that level.
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18th March 2003, 07:08 PM	#27
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Quote: Originally posted by CWL *Benchpressing has exactly got what* to do with religion and/or philosophy?** According to Plato, Socrates said the gymnasion was an important part of true philosophy. The noble savage is strong, because man in his natural state can lift 150 pounds easily. Besides, how can you expect to be a Nietzian superman if you can't bench press 150 pounds at least three times?
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18th March 2003, 11:21 PM	#28
muscleman Guest Posts: n/a	ILL BE OFF ONLINE FOR A WHILE GUYS, AND YES, I HAVE READ YOUR POSTS HERE. I HAVE A HARD TRAINING, AMATEUR BOXING MATCH (IN A CLUB) 2 WEEKS FROM NOW. MUST WIN (NOT THAT I HAVE EVER LOST), BUT I SAW THE GOLD TROPHY GUYS WON EARLIER, MUST HAVE A PICE OF THAT.. THAT, AND I HAVE A GOD TO WORSHIP AND PRAISE...ILL B BUSY FOR A WHILE, SO SORRY, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO LEARN "NEW" ATHEISTS CONCEPTS, IF IT EXIST, (MY SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT), THE PHYSICAL ME IS BEING CALLED..
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19th March 2003, 12:04 AM	#29
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Whithin earshot of the North Sea Posts: 16,602	Thank you! Have a good time, and don't hurry back. -- Might I suggest we post no more on this thread, in the hope that it will sink into oblivion on a busy forum? Hans
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19th March 2003, 12:29 AM	#30
Ceinwyn Muse Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Northwest Posts: 675	And here I thought he was pumping grace for the Lord. Oh well.../dennis miller
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19th March 2003, 05:25 AM	#31
synaesthesia Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 195	Quote: Originally posted by muscleman THAT, AND I HAVE A GOD TO WORSHIP AND PRAISE...ILL B BUSY FOR A WHILE, SO SORRY, AS MUCH AS I WANT TO LEARN "NEW" ATHEISTS CONCEPTS, IF IT EXIST, (MY SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT), THE PHYSICAL ME IS BEING CALLED.. Good luck with your boxing match, although I'm a little hard pressed to understand the meaning of your last comment. As I suspected, you provide no explanation of your challenge or epistemological grounding. This leads me to suspect that you are not holding a reasonable standard of evidence and are simply enacting a simplistic parody.
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