Gotta love those Iranians...

zenith-nadir · 13th July 2004, 03:55 AM

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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Supreme Leader said on Tuesday he believed the United States and Israel, rather than Muslims, were behind the kidnapping and killing of foreign nationals in Iraq. "We seriously suspect the agents Americans and Israelis in conducting such horrendous terrorist moves," the official IRNA news agency quoted Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as saying in a meeting with visiting Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong.

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BBC - Iran's morality police have made several raids in Tehran, in an apparent crackdown on women who flout the strict Islamic dress code. Witnesses said scores of police - including female officers in chadors - raided the Milad commercial centres in western Tehran and took away dozens of young women in special minibuses. Shops selling fashion clothing for women - especially bright figure-hugging coats - were also targeted.

Welcome back to the 10th century everybody!

Ziggurat · 13th July 2004, 04:13 AM

The Iranians are just playing catchup. The Saudis beat them to it when their royals blamed terrorism inside their own country on Zionism. Got to keep up with the Joneses, and all that.

Nutjobs, the lot of them.

a_unique_person · 13th July 2004, 04:20 AM

You quite casually smear all Iranians, when there is in fact a large opposition to the fundy rulers. I believe Iran will be a democratic country in a number or years due to sheer popular support for the concept.

Ziggurat · 13th July 2004, 04:35 AM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person
You quite casually smear all Iranians, when there is in fact a large opposition to the fundy rulers.

Yes, I agree. Blame my writing style. Substitute "the mad mullahs of Iran" for "Iranians" and I'll stand by what I wrote. By "the lot of them" I similarly mean those in charge in both countries.

zenith-nadir · 13th July 2004, 05:19 AM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person
You quite casually smear all Iranians, when there is in fact a large opposition to the fundy rulers. I believe Iran will be a democratic country in a number or years due to sheer popular support for the concept.

He meant me Ziggurat, Substitute "Iran's Supreme Leader " and "Iran's morality police" for "Iranians"....

On one hand I do agree with a_u_p. Iran has too many educated people to live under an islamofascist government for too long. The scarey part is that this islamofascist government who lies and arrests women for the clothes they wear is close to having the 'bomb'.

Bottle or the Gun · 13th July 2004, 05:46 AM

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Originally posted by zenith-nadir
The scarey part is that this islamofascist government who lies and arrests women for the clothes they wear is close to having the 'bomb'.

Fan-freaking-tastic! When do we (US) invade? Is there a timetable? I understand that Iran actually has the documented capability to create WMD.

zenith-nadir · 13th July 2004, 06:30 AM

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Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
Fan-freaking-tastic! When do we (US) invade? Is there a timetable? I understand that Iran actually has the documented capability to create WMD.

Nope. No invasion. Only appeasement is going to work, the U.N., France, Germany and Russia are leading the drive to make Iran's Supreme Leader and the Iranian hardline Council of Guardians renounce their unforgiving brand of Islam.

Bottle or the Gun · 13th July 2004, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by zenith-nadir
Nope. No invasion. Only appeasement is going to work, the U.N., France, Germany and Russia are leading the drive to make Iran's Supreme Leader and the Iranian hardline Council of Guardians renounce their unforgiving brand of Islam.

But...but...we invaded another country for a lot reasons. What a gyp!

zenith-nadir · 13th July 2004, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
But...but...we invaded another country for a lot reasons. What a gyp!

Not this time Boyo! This time we will send them Freedom Fries, and once Kerry is elected, all the free ketchup they will ever need. That'll show ém!

Ralph · 13th July 2004, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by zenith-nadir
He meant me Ziggurat, Substitute "Iran's Supreme Leader " and "Iran's morality police" for "Iranians"....

The scarey part is that this islamofascist government who lies and arrests women for the clothes they wear is close to having the 'bomb'.

So....do you think there's anyone here naive enough to believe Irans claim that it's for "peacefull purposes" only???

How about "Since others have them (esp. those damn Jews)...it's only fair that Iran has them?"

You don't have to answer those questions. I know what the answer is.

I can't think on anything more likely to precipitate WW3 than a country like Iran producing nukes.

I'm not sure if the US will allow this or not. I tend to think Israel won't and will respond as they did with Iraq at Osirik.

The UN of course will do nothing.

Mel · 13th July 2004, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Ralph

I can't think on anything more likely to precipitate WW3 than a country like Iran producing nukes.

How about the successful assassination of Musharaff & Pakistan being taken over by ITS fundy wackos?

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In all honesty, I believe Bush's thinking in toppling Iraq was to put into effect a domino theory around the region. Iran's citizens would have been empowered by the freedom of the Iraqis & gone about demanding real freedoms (with a little outside help).

Bush probably felt he had enough 'pull' with the House of Saud to effect changes through more peaceful means.

The whole plan was total crap as soon as he found he was unable to put together a decent coalition and proceeded instead to alienate most of the world through horrendous diplomatic blunders.

Toppling Saddam was ONLY going to be a positive step IF we had majority approval for the action. As it stands, the ONLY one who benefits from Bush's blunders is al Qaeda & other terrorist recruitment groups.

aerocontrols · 13th July 2004, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Mel
Bush probably felt he had enough 'pull' with the House of Saud to effect changes through more peaceful means.

Saudi Arabia has scheduled municiple elections for September of this year. That is how autocracies are democratized through peaceful means, isn't it? Next year a little more, and next year a little more?

13th July 2004, 03:55 AM	#1
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	Gotta love those Iranians... Source Quote: TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Supreme Leader said on Tuesday he believed the United States and Israel, rather than Muslims, were behind the kidnapping and killing of foreign nationals in Iraq. "We seriously suspect the agents Americans and Israelis in conducting such horrendous terrorist moves," the official IRNA news agency quoted Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as saying in a meeting with visiting Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong. And...Source Quote: BBC - Iran's morality police have made several raids in Tehran, in an apparent crackdown on women who flout the strict Islamic dress code. Witnesses said scores of police - including female officers in chadors - raided the Milad commercial centres in western Tehran and took away dozens of young women in special minibuses. Shops selling fashion clothing for women - especially bright figure-hugging coats - were also targeted. Welcome back to the 10th century everybody!
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13th July 2004, 04:13 AM	#2
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,206	The Iranians are just playing catchup. The Saudis beat them to it when their royals blamed terrorism inside their own country on Zionism. Got to keep up with the Joneses, and all that. Nutjobs, the lot of them.
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13th July 2004, 04:20 AM	#3
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,331	You quite casually smear all Iranians, when there is in fact a large opposition to the fundy rulers. I believe Iran will be a democratic country in a number or years due to sheer popular support for the concept.
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13th July 2004, 04:35 AM	#4
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 26,206	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person You quite casually smear all Iranians, when there is in fact a large opposition to the fundy rulers. Yes, I agree. Blame my writing style. Substitute "the mad mullahs of Iran" for "Iranians" and I'll stand by what I wrote. By "the lot of them" I similarly mean those in charge in both countries.
	__________________ "As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law

13th July 2004, 05:19 AM	#5
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person You quite casually smear all Iranians, when there is in fact a large opposition to the fundy rulers. I believe Iran will be a democratic country in a number or years due to sheer popular support for the concept. He meant me Ziggurat, Substitute "Iran's Supreme Leader " and "Iran's morality police" for "Iranians".... On one hand I do agree with a_u_p. Iran has too many educated people to live under an islamofascist government for too long. The scarey part is that this islamofascist government who lies and arrests women for the clothes they wear is close to having the 'bomb'.
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13th July 2004, 05:46 AM	#6
Bottle or the Gun Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 890	Operation Desert Clusterscrew Quote: Originally posted by zenith-nadir The scarey part is that this islamofascist government who lies and arrests women for the clothes they wear is close to having the 'bomb'. Fan-freaking-tastic! When do we (US) invade? Is there a timetable? I understand that Iran actually has the documented capability to create WMD.
Bottle or the Gun Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 890	__________________ It's "Lather, rinse, repeat", not "Lather, rinse, then there is divine intervention" - Don Life is inevitable because matter is self-organizing. A deity isn't necessary for a chemical reaction. - Don That's the biz, sweetheart. - Remo Williams

13th July 2004, 06:30 AM	#7
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	Re: Operation Desert Clusterscrew Quote: Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun Fan-freaking-tastic! When do we (US) invade? Is there a timetable? I understand that Iran actually has the documented capability to create WMD. Nope. No invasion. Only appeasement is going to work, the U.N., France, Germany and Russia are leading the drive to make Iran's Supreme Leader and the Iranian hardline Council of Guardians renounce their unforgiving brand of Islam.
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13th July 2004, 06:55 AM	#8
Bottle or the Gun Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 890	Re: Re: Operation Desert Clusterscrew Quote: Originally posted by zenith-nadir Nope. No invasion. Only appeasement is going to work, the U.N., France, Germany and Russia are leading the drive to make Iran's Supreme Leader and the Iranian hardline Council of Guardians renounce their unforgiving brand of Islam. But...but...we invaded another country for a lot reasons. What a gyp!
Bottle or the Gun Muse Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 890	__________________ It's "Lather, rinse, repeat", not "Lather, rinse, then there is divine intervention" - Don Life is inevitable because matter is self-organizing. A deity isn't necessary for a chemical reaction. - Don That's the biz, sweetheart. - Remo Williams

13th July 2004, 08:21 AM	#9
zenith-nadir Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,500	Re: Re: Re: Operation Desert Clusterscrew Quote: Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun But...but...we invaded another country for a lot reasons. What a gyp! Not this time Boyo! This time we will send them Freedom Fries, and once Kerry is elected, all the free ketchup they will ever need. That'll show ém!
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13th July 2004, 08:40 AM	#10
Ralph Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: S.E. Mass....... Posts: 997	Quote: Originally posted by zenith-nadir He meant me Ziggurat, Substitute "Iran's Supreme Leader " and "Iran's morality police" for "Iranians".... The scarey part is that this islamofascist government who lies and arrests women for the clothes they wear is close to having the 'bomb'. So....do you think there's anyone here naive enough to believe Irans claim that it's for "peacefull purposes" only??? How about "Since others have them (esp. those damn Jews)...it's only fair that Iran has them?" You don't have to answer those questions. I know what the answer is. I can't think on anything more likely to precipitate WW3 than a country like Iran producing nukes. I'm not sure if the US will allow this or not. I tend to think Israel won't and will respond as they did with Iraq at Osirik. The UN of course will do nothing.

13th July 2004, 10:29 AM	#11
Mel Muse Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 552	Quote: Originally posted by Ralph I can't think on anything more likely to precipitate WW3 than a country like Iran producing nukes. How about the successful assassination of Musharaff & Pakistan being taken over by ITS fundy wackos? --- In all honesty, I believe Bush's thinking in toppling Iraq was to put into effect a domino theory around the region. Iran's citizens would have been empowered by the freedom of the Iraqis & gone about demanding real freedoms (with a little outside help). Bush probably felt he had enough 'pull' with the House of Saud to effect changes through more peaceful means. The whole plan was total crap as soon as he found he was unable to put together a decent coalition and proceeded instead to alienate most of the world through horrendous diplomatic blunders. Toppling Saddam was ONLY going to be a positive step IF we had majority approval for the action. As it stands, the ONLY one who benefits from Bush's blunders is al Qaeda & other terrorist recruitment groups.
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13th July 2004, 10:36 AM	#12
aerocontrols Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,445	Quote: Originally posted by Mel Bush probably felt he had enough 'pull' with the House of Saud to effect changes through more peaceful means. Saudi Arabia has scheduled municiple elections for September of this year. That is how autocracies are democratized through peaceful means, isn't it? Next year a little more, and next year a little more?
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