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shemp · 27th July 2004, 10:46 AM

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Breaking with tradition, Cuba's maximum leader Fidel Castro turned his traditional July 26 State of the Nation speech into a war of words with President Bush.

Castro devoted the bulk of his 90-minute speech to countering charges levied by Mr. Bush that his government fosters tourism prostitution and child pornography. He strongly implied that President Bush cannot distinguish between his imagination and reality.

Quoting extensively from the book "Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President" by Dr. Justin A. Frank, Castro suggested that Mr. Bush's accusations against Cuba's socialist government may be rooted in his untreated alcoholic past.

In the book, Frank, a clinical professor of psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center, deals with the president's admitted two-decade-long drinking problem and possible thought disorders that lead him to invent enemies so that he can destroy them.

I wonder how many countries other than the U.S. have a leader who is clearly mentally ill.

Feel free to post some solid evidence that Cuba is involved in the child prostitution trade.

c0rbin · 27th July 2004, 10:59 AM

Still chasing sex and cigars, eh?

Those wacky republicans.

Tmy · 27th July 2004, 11:02 AM

IS a 90 minute speech considered a human rights violation for the people of Cuba???

All world leaders are crazy!

Tony · 27th July 2004, 11:11 AM

I hate this cliché, but this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.

jj · 27th July 2004, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by Tony
I hate this cliché, but this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.

WHUMP!

Tony drives the nail all the way down to the head in one sharp, just blow.

I may disagree with you sometimes, but you nailed this one, Tony, you did indeed.

Tony · 27th July 2004, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by jj
WHUMP!

Tony drives the nail all the way down to the head in one sharp, just blow.

I may disagree with you sometimes, but you nailed this one, Tony, you did indeed.

Does that mean we're friends now?

pgwenthold · 27th July 2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Tony
I hate this cliché, but this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.

I think this is a poor use of this rejoinder. The pot being black doesn't change the fact that so is the kettle.

Castro is deranged. That doesn't make Bush being deranged any less of a problem.

jj · 27th July 2004, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Tony
Does that mean we're friends now?

Doubt it, who knows, but we agree on this one at least.

Mr. Pot, Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Scrub Brush...

jj · 27th July 2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by pgwenthold
I think this is a poor use of this rejoinder. The pot being black doesn't change the fact that so is the kettle.

Castro is deranged. That doesn't make Bush being deranged any less of a problem.

Actually, my reading of the statement suggested that they were both covered in soot, as it were, and that was bad.

The usual use of the rejoinder, at least when I use it, means that neither party has moral status to complain about the other, at least without some serious introspection.

Tony · 27th July 2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by jj
Actually, my reading of the statement suggested that they were both covered in soot, as it were, and that was bad.

That's how I meant it.

hgc · 27th July 2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Tmy
IS a 90 minute speech considered a human rights violation for the people of Cuba???

All world leaders are crazy!

That's nothing. Castro is known for giving speeches of 5 hours and more.

fishbob · 27th July 2004, 02:29 PM

From this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5526645/

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Speaking to Florida law enforcement officials on July 16, Bush claimed the Cuban leader shamelessly promotes sex tourism.

“The dictator welcomes sex tourism. Here’s how he bragged about the industry,” said Bush. “This is his quote — ‘Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world’ and ‘sex tourism is a vital source of hard currency.’”

Three days after Bush’s remarks, the Los Angeles Times reported that the White House found the comments in a Dartmouth undergraduate paper posted on the Internet and lifted them out of context. “It shows they didn’t read much of the article,” commented Charlie Trumbull, the author.

Speaking in 1992 to the Cuban parliament, Castro actually said, “There are prostitutes, but prostitution is not allowed in our country. There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist.”

Misinterpreted 12 year old information. Sounds kind of like the WMDs in Iraq.

CFLarsen · 27th July 2004, 02:34 PM

"Even a blind chicken can find a corn"
Danish proverb.

jj · 27th July 2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Tony
That's how I meant it.

Thought so.

shemp · 27th July 2004, 03:55 PM

Bush is a sick and deranged man. Years of heavy drinking have taken their toll on his brain cells. Castro, despite his own pecadillos, is right about him. Only a country with a large number of easily-led fools would elect such a man to lead it.

crackmonkey · 27th July 2004, 05:04 PM

Funny - you say Bush is sick and deranged, yet Casrto is merely a man with peccadilloes.
What color is the sky on your world? You must live in one of those weird, bearded-Spock kind of parallel universes...

fishbob · 27th July 2004, 05:35 PM

pgwenthold said:

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Castro is deranged. That doesn't make Bush being deranged any less of a problem.

Then Mr. Crackmonkey said:

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Funny - you say Bush is sick and deranged, yet Casrto is merely a man with peccadilloes.

Mr. Crackmonkey, sir - you seemed to have missed the point.

a_unique_person · 27th July 2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by fishbob
From this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5526645/

quote:Speaking to Florida law enforcement officials on July 16, Bush claimed the Cuban leader shamelessly promotes sex tourism.

“The dictator welcomes sex tourism. Here’s how he bragged about the industry,” said Bush. “This is his quote — ‘Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world’ and ‘sex tourism is a vital source of hard currency.’”

Three days after Bush’s remarks, the Los Angeles Times reported that the White House found the comments in a Dartmouth undergraduate paper posted on the Internet and lifted them out of context. “It shows they didn’t read much of the article,” commented Charlie Trumbull, the author.

Speaking in 1992 to the Cuban parliament, Castro actually said, “There are prostitutes, but prostitution is not allowed in our country. There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist.”

Misinterpreted 12 year old information. Sounds kind of like the WMDs in Iraq.

Of course, Las Vegas is only known for it's gambling. And the musical is really called, "The Best Little Bed and Breakfast in Texas".

27th July 2004, 10:46 AM	#1
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,970	Castro hits nail on the head: Bush is Deranged Castro Blasts Bush On Sex Charges Quote: Breaking with tradition, Cuba's maximum leader Fidel Castro turned his traditional July 26 State of the Nation speech into a war of words with President Bush. Castro devoted the bulk of his 90-minute speech to countering charges levied by Mr. Bush that his government fosters tourism prostitution and child pornography. He strongly implied that President Bush cannot distinguish between his imagination and reality. Quoting extensively from the book "Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President" by Dr. Justin A. Frank, Castro suggested that Mr. Bush's accusations against Cuba's socialist government may be rooted in his untreated alcoholic past. In the book, Frank, a clinical professor of psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center, deals with the president's admitted two-decade-long drinking problem and possible thought disorders that lead him to invent enemies so that he can destroy them. I wonder how many countries other than the U.S. have a leader who is clearly mentally ill. Feel free to post some solid evidence that Cuba is involved in the child prostitution trade.
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27th July 2004, 10:59 AM	#2
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	Still chasing sex and cigars, eh? Those wacky republicans.
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27th July 2004, 11:02 AM	#3
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	IS a 90 minute speech considered a human rights violation for the people of Cuba??? All world leaders are crazy!
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27th July 2004, 11:11 AM	#4
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,812	I hate this cliché, but this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.
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27th July 2004, 11:13 AM	#5
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Quote: Originally posted by Tony I hate this cliché, but this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. WHUMP! Tony drives the nail all the way down to the head in one sharp, just blow. I may disagree with you sometimes, but you nailed this one, Tony, you did indeed.
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27th July 2004, 11:16 AM	#6
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,812	Quote: Originally posted by jj WHUMP! Tony drives the nail all the way down to the head in one sharp, just blow. I may disagree with you sometimes, but you nailed this one, Tony, you did indeed. Does that mean we're friends now?
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27th July 2004, 11:29 AM	#7
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,119	Quote: Originally posted by Tony I hate this cliché, but this is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. I think this is a poor use of this rejoinder. The pot being black doesn't change the fact that so is the kettle. Castro is deranged. That doesn't make Bush being deranged any less of a problem.
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27th July 2004, 11:51 AM	#8
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Quote: Originally posted by Tony Does that mean we're friends now? Doubt it, who knows, but we agree on this one at least. Mr. Pot, Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Scrub Brush...
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27th July 2004, 11:53 AM	#9
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Quote: Originally posted by pgwenthold I think this is a poor use of this rejoinder. The pot being black doesn't change the fact that so is the kettle. Castro is deranged. That doesn't make Bush being deranged any less of a problem. Actually, my reading of the statement suggested that they were both covered in soot, as it were, and that was bad. The usual use of the rejoinder, at least when I use it, means that neither party has moral status to complain about the other, at least without some serious introspection.
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27th July 2004, 11:57 AM	#10
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,812	Quote: Originally posted by jj Actually, my reading of the statement suggested that they were both covered in soot, as it were, and that was bad. That's how I meant it.
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27th July 2004, 12:53 PM	#11
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,133	Quote: Originally posted by Tmy IS a 90 minute speech considered a human rights violation for the people of Cuba??? All world leaders are crazy! That's nothing. Castro is known for giving speeches of 5 hours and more.
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27th July 2004, 02:29 PM	#12
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,670	From this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5526645/ Quote: Speaking to Florida law enforcement officials on July 16, Bush claimed the Cuban leader shamelessly promotes sex tourism. “The dictator welcomes sex tourism. Here’s how he bragged about the industry,” said Bush. “This is his quote — ‘Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world’ and ‘sex tourism is a vital source of hard currency.’” Three days after Bush’s remarks, the Los Angeles Times reported that the White House found the comments in a Dartmouth undergraduate paper posted on the Internet and lifted them out of context. “It shows they didn’t read much of the article,” commented Charlie Trumbull, the author. Speaking in 1992 to the Cuban parliament, Castro actually said, “There are prostitutes, but prostitution is not allowed in our country. There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist.” Misinterpreted 12 year old information. Sounds kind of like the WMDs in Iraq.
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27th July 2004, 02:34 PM	#13
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27th July 2004, 02:39 PM	#14
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Quote: Originally posted by Tony That's how I meant it. Thought so.
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27th July 2004, 03:55 PM	#15
shemp Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: trapped in a cave-in with Joe Posts: 12,970	Bush is a sick and deranged man. Years of heavy drinking have taken their toll on his brain cells. Castro, despite his own pecadillos, is right about him. Only a country with a large number of easily-led fools would elect such a man to lead it.
	__________________ Church on Sunday, sleep and nod Tryin' to duck the wrath of God Preacher's fillin' us with fright Tryin' to tell us what he thinks is right He really got to be some kind of nut (I can't use it!) Tryin' to make it real - compared to what?

27th July 2004, 05:04 PM	#16
crackmonkey Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,057	Funny - you say Bush is sick and deranged, yet Casrto is merely a man with peccadilloes. What color is the sky on your world? You must live in one of those weird, bearded-Spock kind of parallel universes...

27th July 2004, 05:35 PM	#17
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,670	pgwenthold said: Quote: Castro is deranged. That doesn't make Bush being deranged any less of a problem. Then Mr. Crackmonkey said: Quote: Funny - you say Bush is sick and deranged, yet Casrto is merely a man with peccadilloes. Mr. Crackmonkey, sir - you seemed to have missed the point.
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27th July 2004, 06:43 PM	#18
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,466	Quote: Originally posted by fishbob From this story: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5526645/ quote:Speaking to Florida law enforcement officials on July 16, Bush claimed the Cuban leader shamelessly promotes sex tourism. “The dictator welcomes sex tourism. Here’s how he bragged about the industry,” said Bush. “This is his quote — ‘Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world’ and ‘sex tourism is a vital source of hard currency.’” Three days after Bush’s remarks, the Los Angeles Times reported that the White House found the comments in a Dartmouth undergraduate paper posted on the Internet and lifted them out of context. “It shows they didn’t read much of the article,” commented Charlie Trumbull, the author. Speaking in 1992 to the Cuban parliament, Castro actually said, “There are prostitutes, but prostitution is not allowed in our country. There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist.” Misinterpreted 12 year old information. Sounds kind of like the WMDs in Iraq. Of course, Las Vegas is only known for it's gambling. And the musical is really called, "The Best Little Bed and Breakfast in Texas".
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