Explain this anti-protest sign to me

zakur · 1st September 2004, 11:37 AM

I was just browsing an online album of photos taken during the protests in New York yesterday. http://www.lisawhiteman.com/hfiles/p...cframeset.html

I came across this photo of an anti-protester. What is the point he is trying to make with his "content rich" sign? Jesus is an arms dealer?

phildonnia · 1st September 2004, 11:41 AM

I think the top of the sign is cut off. There may be another word up there that clears all this up. I can think of a lot of things that might grammatically make sense (most of them with four letters), but the collage of weaponry remains a mystery.

glsunder · 1st September 2004, 11:53 AM

the full sign says "support president bush...trust jesus"

After all, GWB is just following what jesus says to do, right? simply put, it's sarcastic.

edit: picture found by google's image search.

gnome · 1st September 2004, 11:58 AM

Isn't "anti-protestor" a redundancy? Surely a protestor is by definition against something...

Or is he against protesting? Kind of a hypocrite then, isn't he?

TragicMonkey · 1st September 2004, 11:59 AM

Like all short slogans, the more you think about it, the more possible interpretations you can imagine. Perhaps it's supposed to mean "Support Bush...and trust Jesus to sort out all the mess that results."

BPSCG · 1st September 2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Like all short slogans, the more you think about it, the more possible interpretations you can imagine. Perhaps it's supposed to mean "Support Bush...and trust Jesus to sort out all the mess that results."

"Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out."

Oh, wait, we weren't supposed to be harping on Viet Nam.

RandFan · 1st September 2004, 12:24 PM

Trust Jesus but carry a big stick cuz Jesus might not really be able to help after all.

crimresearch · 1st September 2004, 12:30 PM

What Would Jesus Bomb?

zakur · 1st September 2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by glsunder
After all, GWB is just following what jesus says to do, right? simply put, it's sarcastic.

It's not sarcastic because the person carrying it is pro-Bush.

I found a mention of it in a news story here:

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The marchers were met with spirited, if limited, opposition. A large group confronted people on the sidewalks holding pro-Bush signs, for example, and heated exchanges took place. Ruben Israel, who was holding a sign that read: â€œSupport President Bush â€” Trust Jesus,â€ at one point was surrounded by angry marchers at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 34th Street.

â€œThe Big Apple is rotten, and all of you are lunatics,â€ said the Los Angeles man, who described himself as a â€œright-wing conservative Christian.â€ He began shouting â€œTrust Jesus!â€ to marchers, who responded with the chant: â€œWho would Jesus bomb?â€

And here is the same guy with the same sign protesting at the DNC. And here. And this commentary on Ruben Israel and his sign is pretty funny:

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That man breaks the sound barrier of crazy, and I salute his courage to be that insane in public.

zakur · 1st September 2004, 12:45 PM

More pictures of Mr. Israel's protest signs can be found here: http://www.glennbeck.com/news/10282003.shtml

glsunder · 1st September 2004, 02:41 PM

"It's not sarcastic because the person carrying it is pro-Bush."

You're right. His sign made total sense from an anti-bush point of view.

BPSCG · 1st September 2004, 03:54 PM

I love the links with the posters proclaiming that Jesus and God hate sodomy and other sins.

The best definition of "hate" you're ever going to come across is from Spinoza: Hate is an emotion of pain accompanied by the idea of an external cause.

So the omnipotent, eternal God feels pain when he sees sodomy? Not so omnipotent, is he, if he can feel pain...?

There is something external to the infinite and eternal God? You mean something exists that is separate from God?

Just picking some religious, philosophical, and logical nits. Back to politics.

LostAngeles · 1st September 2004, 04:18 PM

One of these days I plan to go to a rally on a topic that I think is utterly asinine and/or is beating a dead horse. With me, will be a big, blank sign.

As soon as I have the inclination to find a rally that meets those criteria I'm going to do it.

Alternately, I should have gone to the conventions and tried to piss both sides off. (Both the protesters and the anti-protesters)

Luke T. · 1st September 2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by LostAngeles
One of these days I plan to go to a rally on a topic that I think is utterly asinine and/or is beating a dead horse. With me, will be a big, blank sign.

Upcoming Nationwide Actions Page

edited to add:

Los Angeles Pro Israel Rally

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Sunday 12 September 2004

L.A. Pro Israel Rally

Sun 9/12, 1-3 pm. Please bring water, we provide flags and signs. Show your love and support of Israel. We will also be fund raising for: OneFamily---helping Victims of Terror and their families in Israel. Corner of Wilshire and Veteran in Westwood, Los Angeles, Suzanne Davidson, 818-395-0414, Jewish, The L.A. Pro Israel Rally Committee

Ashles · 1st September 2004, 04:36 PM

Actually the original sign is quite surprising:

Luke T. · 1st September 2004, 04:37 PM

I think a blank protest sign would be absolutely perfect at a Braille rally.

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BTW, upcoming is a Braille rally, where the rally written instructions are translated into Braille, and local disadvantaged kids are used as navigators.

Edited to add: Just imagine people trying to "read" it...

Grammatron · 1st September 2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Luke T.
Upcoming Nationwide Actions Page

edited to add:

Los Angeles Pro Israel Rally

Scared the hell out of me when I read the location and not that date, as it's by my work and I have to go through that intersection to get home. It's a popular place for protests as it's the location of the Federal Building, about a mile away from UCLA campus, across from VA hospital and by National Guard base.

Needless to say I was stuck in traffic quite a bit before the Iraq war and there are still protesters there daily holding up such signs as "Bush lied, impeach now" and pictures of dead babies while handing out anti-bush bumper stickers.

Abdul Alhazred · 1st September 2004, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BPSCG
"Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out."

Oh, wait, we weren't supposed to be harping on Viet Nam.

Actually that slogan goes back to Oliver Cromwell in the form "Kill them all, the Lord will know His own." He was talking about the Irish.

As for the sign, I'd say the guy just didn't think it through.

Much like the sign often seen on the other side:

TRUTH ==>
<== BUSH

The idea is that "Bush" and "Truth" are in opposite directions, but the initial subliminal impression is to associate "Bush" with "Truth". Not well thought out at all.

1st September 2004, 11:37 AM	#1
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	Explain this anti-protest sign to me I was just browsing an online album of photos taken during the protests in New York yesterday. http://www.lisawhiteman.com/hfiles/p...cframeset.html I came across this photo of an anti-protester. What is the point he is trying to make with his "content rich" sign? Jesus is an arms dealer?
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1st September 2004, 11:53 AM	#3
glsunder Scholar Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 119	the full sign says "support president bush...trust jesus" After all, GWB is just following what jesus says to do, right? simply put, it's sarcastic. edit: picture found by google's image search.
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1st September 2004, 11:58 AM	#4
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,869	Isn't "anti-protestor" a redundancy? Surely a protestor is by definition against something... Or is he against protesting? Kind of a hypocrite then, isn't he?
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1st September 2004, 11:59 AM	#5
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,055	Like all short slogans, the more you think about it, the more possible interpretations you can imagine. Perhaps it's supposed to mean "Support Bush...and trust Jesus to sort out all the mess that results."
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BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Quote: Originally posted by TragicMonkey Like all short slogans, the more you think about it, the more possible interpretations you can imagine. Perhaps it's supposed to mean "Support Bush...and trust Jesus to sort out all the mess that results." "Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out." Oh, wait, we weren't supposed to be harping on Viet Nam.
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1st September 2004, 11:41 AM	#2
phildonnia Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Sac'to CA Posts: 2,339	I think the top of the sign is cut off. There may be another word up there that clears all this up. I can think of a lot of things that might grammatically make sense (most of them with four letters), but the collage of weaponry remains a mystery.

1st September 2004, 12:24 PM	#7
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,086	Trust Jesus but carry a big stick cuz Jesus might not really be able to help after all.
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1st September 2004, 12:36 PM	#9
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	Quote: Originally posted by glsunder After all, GWB is just following what jesus says to do, right? simply put, it's sarcastic. It's not sarcastic because the person carrying it is pro-Bush. I found a mention of it in a news story here: Quote: The marchers were met with spirited, if limited, opposition. A large group confronted people on the sidewalks holding pro-Bush signs, for example, and heated exchanges took place. Ruben Israel, who was holding a sign that read: â€œSupport President Bush â€” Trust Jesus,â€ at one point was surrounded by angry marchers at the corner of Seventh Avenue and 34th Street. â€œThe Big Apple is rotten, and all of you are lunatics,â€ said the Los Angeles man, who described himself as a â€œright-wing conservative Christian.â€ He began shouting â€œTrust Jesus!â€ to marchers, who responded with the chant: â€œWho would Jesus bomb?â€ And here is the same guy with the same sign protesting at the DNC. And here. And this commentary on Ruben Israel and his sign is pretty funny: Quote: That man breaks the sound barrier of crazy, and I salute his courage to be that insane in public.
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1st September 2004, 12:45 PM	#10
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	More pictures of Mr. Israel's protest signs can be found here: http://www.glennbeck.com/news/10282003.shtml
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1st September 2004, 02:41 PM	#11
glsunder Scholar Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 119	"It's not sarcastic because the person carrying it is pro-Bush." You're right. His sign made total sense from an anti-bush point of view.
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1st September 2004, 03:54 PM	#12
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	I love the links with the posters proclaiming that Jesus and God *hate* sodomy and other sins. The best definition of "hate" you're ever going to come across is from Spinoza: Hate is an emotion of pain accompanied by the idea of an external cause. So the omnipotent, eternal God feels *pain* when he sees sodomy? Not so omnipotent, is he, if he can feel pain...? There is something *external* to the infinite and eternal God? You mean something exists that is separate from God? Just picking some religious, philosophical, and logical nits. Back to politics.
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1st September 2004, 04:18 PM	#13
LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	One of these days I plan to go to a rally on a topic that I think is utterly asinine and/or is beating a dead horse. With me, will be a big, blank sign. As soon as I have the inclination to find a rally that meets those criteria I'm going to do it. Alternately, I should have gone to the conventions and tried to piss both sides off. (Both the protesters and the anti-protesters)
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Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Quote: Originally posted by LostAngeles One of these days I plan to go to a rally on a topic that I think is utterly asinine and/or is beating a dead horse. With me, will be a big, blank sign. Upcoming Nationwide Actions Page edited to add: Los Angeles Pro Israel Rally Quote: Sunday 12 September 2004 L.A. Pro Israel Rally Sun 9/12, 1-3 pm. Please bring water, we provide flags and signs. Show your love and support of Israel. We will also be fund raising for: OneFamily---helping Victims of Terror and their families in Israel. Corner of Wilshire and Veteran in Westwood, Los Angeles, Suzanne Davidson, 818-395-0414, Jewish, The L.A. Pro Israel Rally Committee
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Ashles Pith Artist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The '80s Posts: 8,711	Actually the original sign is quite surprising:
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Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	I think a blank protest sign would be absolutely perfect at a Braille rally. Quote: BTW, upcoming is a Braille rally, where the rally written instructions are translated into Braille, and local disadvantaged kids are used as navigators. Edited to add: Just imagine people trying to "read" it...
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1st September 2004, 04:50 PM	#17
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Quote: Originally posted by Luke T. Upcoming Nationwide Actions Page edited to add: Los Angeles Pro Israel Rally Scared the hell out of me when I read the location and not that date, as it's by my work and I have to go through that intersection to get home. It's a popular place for protests as it's the location of the Federal Building, about a mile away from UCLA campus, across from VA hospital and by National Guard base. Needless to say I was stuck in traffic quite a bit before the Iraq war and there are still protesters there daily holding up such signs as "Bush lied, impeach now" and pictures of dead babies while handing out anti-bush bumper stickers.
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1st September 2004, 07:30 PM	#18
Abdul Alhazred Yes, that one. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,475	Quote: Originally posted by BPSCG "Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out." Oh, wait, we weren't supposed to be harping on Viet Nam. Actually that slogan goes back to Oliver Cromwell in the form "Kill them all, the Lord will know His own." He was talking about the Irish. As for the sign, I'd say the guy just didn't think it through. Much like the sign often seen on the other side: TRUTH ==> <== BUSH The idea is that "Bush" and "Truth" are in opposite directions, but the initial subliminal impression is to associate "Bush" with "Truth". Not well thought out at all.
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