Kerry midnight speech following the Convention?

Ed · 2nd September 2004, 08:31 PM

Just heard this. I won't be up for it but WTF?

As I have said (heard it from me first) Kerry is floundering badly. He is simply reacting while GW is acting presidential.

American · 2nd September 2004, 08:36 PM

Do you think Skull and Bones told him to run and act like the biggest moron possible? Maybe his reward for this was getting to marry a billionaire, and when it's all over him and George will go drinking in the secret Yale basement.

Jocko · 2nd September 2004, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed
Just heard this. I won't be up for it but WTF?

As I have said (heard it from me first) Kerry is floundering badly. He is simply reacting while GW is acting presidential.

About time he did something. He's been a punching dummy for three weeks straight now. Think of it as a metaphor for the Kerry doctrine: "Too little, too late."

RandFan · 2nd September 2004, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Kerry Criticizes Cheney for Avoiding Vietnam War

... he will make at a midnight rally in Springfield, Ohio, shortly after President Bush (news - web sites) delivers his acceptance speech at the Republican convention.

corplinx · 2nd September 2004, 09:02 PM

For the past few weeks we've had:
sbvt slams kerry
kerry slams bush in retaliation
bush acts presidential and above the fray

His campaign has been mired down by this and the scary part is they don't seem to be learning.

American · 2nd September 2004, 09:21 PM

"...and not be punished by a system that's punitive!"

Good one John. Sounding like Bush would have been a good idea-- maybe 1, 2, or 19 years ago.

Dorian Gray · 2nd September 2004, 09:24 PM

Quote:

For the past few weeks we've had:
sbvt slams kerry
kerry slams bush in retaliation
bush acts presidential and above the fray

Dude, you totally left out:
Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

Nice spin, though. Good form.

csense · 2nd September 2004, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed
Re: Kerry midnight speech following the Convention?

Just heard this. I won't be up for it but WTF?

As I have said (heard it from me first) Kerry is floundering badly. He is simply reacting while GW is acting presidential.

Maybe he's having flashbacks to his VVAW days, in which case if he does take the Presidency then we're all in big trouble

The press had a copy of his speech and were criticizing parts of it hours before he held his rally, and in one part, Kerry says, and to paraphrase 'The Vice President said last night that I was unfit [to be commander in chief]'

Of course, the only problem is Cheney never said that. It is a complete fabrication out of whole cloth....and again much in keeping with his VVAW days....

NoZed Avenger · 2nd September 2004, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Dude, you totally left out:
Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

Nice spin, though. Good form.

Well, you made his point.

Kerry SUPPORTERS slamming Bush allows Kerry to stay above the muck and mire -- just as the VP's traditional role in elections is to act as an attack dog. Kerry doing it directly is another matter. Perhaps the prevailing wisdom of the last 4-5 election cycles (what I just stated) is wrong -- and it may well be -- but don't take corp's head off for repeating what has been said by talking heads for 2 decades plus.

Jocko · 2nd September 2004, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Dude, you totally left out:
Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

None of whom happen to be the president.

Quote:

Nice spin, though. Good form.

Physician, heal thyself.

corplinx · 2nd September 2004, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Dude, you totally left out:
Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

Nice spin, though. Good form.

Spin, hah. Look, we can disgree without you saying things like that about me. If I spin, I do so with a smile for ***** ang giggles and I don't back down from it.

In this case, I was referring to the weeks preceding the convention. Up until now, that has been the pattern.

Pardon me for not making that more clear. I am not denying that they slammed Kerry in their convention speeches.

Dorian Gray · 3rd September 2004, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Dude, you totally left out:
Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

Jocko: None of whom happen to be the president.

Let's look at that again:

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Dude, you totally left out:
Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

Jocko: None of whom happen to be the president.

And one more time for the vision impaired:

Quote:

Originally posted by Dorian Gray
Dude, you totally left out:
BUSH , Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry.

Jocko: None of whom happen to be the president.

Either you have poor vision, poor intelligence, a poor grasp of current events, or you're a troll.

Quote:

Physician, heal thyself.

I'll wait while you look up 'irony'.

2nd September 2004, 08:31 PM	#1
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2nd September 2004, 08:41 PM	#3
Jocko Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, Chicago... it's a toddling town. Posts: 5,463	Re: Kerry midnight speech following the Convention? Quote: Originally posted by Ed Just heard this. I won't be up for it but WTF? As I have said (heard it from me first) Kerry is floundering badly. He is simply reacting while GW is acting presidential. About time he did something. He's been a punching dummy for three weeks straight now. Think of it as a metaphor for the Kerry doctrine: "Too little, too late."
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2nd September 2004, 08:43 PM	#4
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2nd September 2004, 09:02 PM	#5
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	For the past few weeks we've had: sbvt slams kerry kerry slams bush in retaliation bush acts presidential and above the fray His campaign has been mired down by this and the scary part is they don't seem to be learning.
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2nd September 2004, 09:24 PM	#7
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,193	Quote: For the past few weeks we've had: sbvt slams kerry kerry slams bush in retaliation bush acts presidential and above the fray Dude, you totally left out: Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. Nice spin, though. Good form.
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2nd September 2004, 08:36 PM	#2
American Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: CA Posts: 3,842	Do you think Skull and Bones told him to run and act like the biggest moron possible? Maybe his reward for this was getting to marry a billionaire, and when it's all over him and George will go drinking in the secret Yale basement.

2nd September 2004, 09:21 PM	#6
American Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: CA Posts: 3,842	"...and not be punished by a system that's punitive!" Good one John. Sounding like Bush would have been a good idea-- maybe 1, 2, or 19 years ago.

2nd September 2004, 09:28 PM	#8
csense Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 708	Re: Kerry midnight speech following the Convention? Quote: Originally posted by Ed Re: Kerry midnight speech following the Convention? Just heard this. I won't be up for it but WTF? As I have said (heard it from me first) Kerry is floundering badly. He is simply reacting while GW is acting presidential. Maybe he's having flashbacks to his VVAW days, in which case if he does take the Presidency then we're all in big trouble The press had a copy of his speech and were criticizing parts of it hours before he held his rally, and in one part, Kerry says, and to paraphrase 'The Vice President said last night that I was unfit [to be commander in chief]' Of course, the only problem is Cheney never said that. It is a complete fabrication out of whole cloth....and again much in keeping with his VVAW days....
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2nd September 2004, 09:43 PM	#9
NoZed Avenger Bitter Whiner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11,313	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray Dude, you totally left out: Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. Nice spin, though. Good form. Well, you made his point. Kerry SUPPORTERS slamming Bush allows Kerry to stay above the muck and mire -- just as the VP's traditional role in elections is to act as an attack dog. Kerry doing it directly is another matter. Perhaps the prevailing wisdom of the last 4-5 election cycles (what I just stated) is wrong -- and it may well be -- but don't take corp's head off for repeating what has been said by talking heads for 2 decades plus.
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2nd September 2004, 09:47 PM	#10
Jocko Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, Chicago... it's a toddling town. Posts: 5,463	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray Dude, you totally left out: Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. None of whom happen to be the president. Quote: Nice spin, though. Good form. Physician, heal thyself.
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2nd September 2004, 10:20 PM	#11
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray Dude, you totally left out: Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. Nice spin, though. Good form. Spin, hah. Look, we can disgree without you saying things like that about me. If I spin, I do so with a smile for ***** ang giggles and I don't back down from it. In this case, I was referring to the weeks preceding the convention. Up until now, that has been the pattern. Pardon me for not making that more clear. I am not denying that they slammed Kerry in their convention speeches.
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3rd September 2004, 01:20 PM	#12
Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,193	Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray Dude, you totally left out: Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. Jocko: None of whom happen to be the president. Let's look at that again: Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray Dude, you totally left out: Bush, Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. Jocko: None of whom happen to be the president. And one more time for the vision impaired: Quote: Originally posted by Dorian Gray Dude, you totally left out: BUSH , Cheney, Pataki, Miller and others stop acting presidential/official and start slamming Kerry. Jocko: None of whom happen to be the president. Either you have poor vision, poor intelligence, a poor grasp of current events, or you're a troll. Quote: Physician, heal thyself. I'll wait while you look up 'irony'.
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