Why Berlusconi is good for Italy

[Berlusconi]

Hallo everybody from Milan.
I've read several times on comments regarding our Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.
I've decided to make some remarks because i've kept that most of people express ideas on things they don't know or simply reporting what the media write. They are in fact more interested in reporting gossip than real facts.
First of all i want to remind everybody that Silvio Berlusconi was twice elected Prime Minister and he was in 1999 and in 2004 the European politician who has kept the largest number of personal preferences at the polling Stations for the European elections. More than 4 million of Italians have in fact written 'BERLUSCONI' on their ballot paper.
It's true many European politicians don't have a particular attraction for Berlusconi, but this is especially because while most of them are simply bureaucrats and they have probably never worked on their lives, Berlusconi is a man that comes from the business world. Something so closer to envy..
For this reason i look at Berlusconi not as a simple person who now belongs to politics, but as a person who tries to make politics more efficient. And he is making the job.
Before of him, Italy was well known for its political instability and for a the low profile of its politicians. Except Alcide De Gasperi, who is not only one of the Fathers of the European Union, but he was the man who took over Italy since after the end of WWII and he was able to bring the country into a new era: the Italian economic miracle of the '60s.
Now it's time that the 5th world's economic power will be represented with a class of politicians who really represent the reality. And Berlusconi is one of those.
He was for the first time able to keep the word since electors chose Forza Italia and the coalition of the House of Liberties to lead our Country, and his government carried out an enormous task that complied exactly with what had been promised during the electoral campaign. This had never happened before in Italian history.
The Government has introduced 332 measures. The Chamber of Deputies and the Senate have already turned 184 of them into laws and they are now working on the remaining 148. As a result, all taxes on medium and low income earners have been reduced; tax breaks for children have been doubled; 1.000.000 new jobs have been created; a number of important reforms (school, tax system, labour market, major public works, company law, decentralization, legislative simplification) have been promoted; public spending has been rationalized and so on.
Many who were 'living' on previleges have tried to stop him, a few magistrates that were inspired more by their ideology.
In fact now, after that all the investigations failed and Berlusconi was fully acquitted, those zealous magistrates have quickly abandoned their job to find a protection into their natural home, politics. Most of them were in fact later elected in the European Parliament or in the Italian Parliament in the small Communist party group.
We don't have to forget that even if the Italian Communist party was always in the Opposition, they were training thousands of magistrates and teachers and using them for their political interests.
The international and domestic media campaign against Berlusconi, that sometimes it seams a real agression, has despite of the end of his process not stopped.
Almost any newspaper has reported that, and almost any newspaper has reported the real result of this 10 years of 'political' investigations on Berlusconi (and just on him.. strange): 750 million of euro that have at the end be spent for nothing. Berlusconi was acquitted.
The Italian people have always belived in this 10 years on Berlusconi, and everytime the magistrates have tried to start investigations on him (this it has usually happened everytime before at every election since 1994) the Italians have replied at the polling station, confirming their, our, confidence on the man.
Despite of what it's written abroad, the main problem for Italy and for all Europe it's represented by the media. The largest part of the Italian and European journalists are left-wing oriented. Even in the Berlusconi's TVs.
As the Wall Street Journal has recentely reported, even if Berlusconi formally could control the 75% of the Italian TV, in reality he has the 75% of the media against of him, because those journalists represents the lobby of who don't want any changement. But the changement is set, and Italy is now a better country where to live.
Many reforms were passed and the first results are under the eyes of everybody. A labour market that is become the most flexible in the all Europe, the unemployed rate in the south that was strongly reduced (in the northern regions it's a full occupation), less bureacracy that means more freedom for the enterprises to invest, less taxes that means more money the Italians can re-invest and a massive programme of investments with 100 bln euro in 10 years in the public infrastructures that means more jobs, more efficiency: the authomatic damns who will protect Venice from flooding, the bridge between Sicily and Calabria, 10.000 km of new high speed train lines to add at the 8.000 km already built, 18.000km of highways to add at the 22.000 km already built.
In 2001 Berlusconi has said he wanted in one year to see Italy becoming a 'Big Yard'. He has kept the promise and many private investors have taken part to the challenge, because this projects don't come from a typical politician, but this projects have come from a man that has showed he was able to do.
But unfortunately the media are inspired by other things.

Ciao, Marco

[corplinx]

Put down the meatball and make sense man.

[Mr Manifesto]

Who the hell's been talking about Berlusconi?

[Berlusconi]

It was a long time ago here. Some Scandinavians.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by corplinx
Put down the meatball and make sense man.

I respect yr idea. There are persons who still belive in Sankta Klaus.. and looks at the facts.

[TragicMonkey]

At least B makes for interesting news copy, which is more than we can say for many world leaders.

[Rob Lister]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
I respect yr idea. There are persons who still belive in Sankta Klaus.. and looks at the facts.

I think your English is quite good. Certainly better than my Italian.

Berlusconi's politics differ from my own but I don't know what your options were.

Your sig-line is way too long for my taste. If you can't make it shorter in terms of verbage, at least you could get rid of the extra line-feeds.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Rob Lister
I think your English is quite good. Certainly better than my Italian.

Berlusconi's politics differ from my own but I don't know what your options were.

Your sig-line is way too long for my taste. If you can't make it shorter in terms of verbage, at least you could get rid of the extra line-feeds.

Thank You for Your suggestion!

Regarding Sankta Klaus.. i think it's the right way in Swedish.

[Kimpatsu]

Berlusconi is good for Italy because he makes the rest of us thankful that we're not Italian!
Same for Tony Blair. Err...

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Berlusconi is good for Italy because he makes the rest of us thankful that we're not Italian!
Same for Tony Blair. Err...

Berlusconi is good for what his Government does. If you read what i've written before, i'm sure you will be able to understand. It's not difficult. Just try.

[Rob Lister]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Berlusconi is good for Italy because he makes the rest of us thankful that we're not Italian!
Same for Tony Blair. Err...

I admit a great degree of ignorance regarding the man. Judging from the initial post, by American standards he would be a typical democrat. Were he actually brought up here, he would probably be a republican -- Pat Buchanan style.

What I (thought I) knew about him before this thread was that he was very conservative by Europian, or even Italian standards, that he was being dogged by politically inspired scandales a la Clinton, and that he was someone that stuck fairly closely to his convictions, took a promise made seriously, and ignored for the most part the media's take on him.

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
Berlusconi is good for what his Government does. If you read what i've written before, i'm sure you will be able to understand. It's not difficult. Just try.

I don't understand that statement. At the very least, any man who controls the Italian media as his own personal fiefdom and who passes laws making it impossible to investigate his alleged corruption can't be good for democracy.
Perhaps we should rename him "Il Duce"...

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Rob Lister
I admit a great degree of ignorance regarding the man. Judging from the initial post, by American standards he would be a typical democrat. Were he actually brought up here, he would probably be a republican -- Pat Buchanan style.

What I (thought I) knew about him before this thread was that he was very conservative by Europian, or even Italian standards, that he was being dogged by politically inspired scandales a la Clinton, and that he was someone that stuck fairly closely to his convictions, took a promise made seriously, and ignored for the most part the media's take on him.

Well, i actually has not done as Chirac did. Berlusconi has had the courage to face justice and to win. This is something the media will never forgive him.
Regarding his position. His Forza Italia party is very close to the US Republican. It's not a secret Berlusconi has inspired himself on Ronald Reagan and his act on the economics and the reforms are something very similar to Reaganomics.
One point in common with the great President Reagan is that Berlusconi is a great communicator.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
I don't understand that statement. At the very least, any man who controls the Italian media as his own personal fiefdom and who passes laws making it impossible to investigate his alleged corruption can't be good for democracy.
Perhaps we should rename him "Il Duce"...

You are probably confusing Chirac with Berlusconi.
As i said and wrote and repeated at least 10 times, while Chirac didn't want to be investigated, Berlusconi has faced his allegations and he has won. He was acquitted and the Italians have supported him.
Second, before to say Berlusconi passes laws as he wants, you should know a little more the Italian Constitution. Berlusconi is PRIME MINISTER, not President as Chirac is, and the Prime Minister in Italy can't pass laws as he wishes.
Do you know the biggest example of the fact he is always under the agression of the media? The fact that the foreign media are simply reporting the daily agression on the Italian Government.
As i said before, being a liberal i don't want the media on our side, but i don't want the media against of us. They must be indipendent.
You should anyway buy an Italian newspaper or watching an Italian TV. If you find an article in support of Berlusconi, i pay you a ticket in business class.
The journalists are simply the parrots of who don't want any changement.

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
Well, i actually has not done as Chirac did. Berlusconi has had the courage to face justice and to win. This is something the media will never forgive him.
Regarding his position. His Forza Italia party is very close to the US Republican. It's not a secret Berlusconi has inspired himself on Ronald Reagan and his act on the economics and the reforms are something very similar to Reaganomics.
One point in common with the great President Reagan is that Berlusconi is a great communicator.

Burlosconi did not "face justice". He has yet to be tried in an impartial court. Burlusconi rigged the judicial system in his favour. I would agree on one thing, though: Burlosconi is as great a gaffer in public speaker as Reagan.
Reagan: "I have signed legislation to outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
Burlusconi (to German MEP): "In Italy, we are making a new film about a concentration camp. I shall nominate you for the role of camp commandant."
Yeah, really got the gift of the gab there...

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Burlosconi did not "face justice". He has yet to be tried in an impartial court. Burlusconi rigged the judicial system in his favour. I would agree on one thing, though: Burlosconi is as great a gaffer in public speaker as Reagan.
Reagan: "I have signed legislation to outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
Burlusconi (to German MEP): "In Italy, we are making a new film about a concentration camp. I shall nominate you for the role of camp commandant."
Yeah, really got the gift of the gab there...

You have really wrong information. BERLUSCONI WAS ACQUITTED IN DECEMBER 2003. The Process is over and his public prosecutors have escaped to the European Parliament.. in the Communist Party of Europe where they have found the immunity.

Regarding the German MEP.. Berlusconi was probably wrong, but respect to the other politicians and their bla bla bla and nothing else he is a man who does and who speaks with the heart.
The German MEP has CLEARLY ADMITTED he was inspired by his Italian Left-wing collegues to provocate the PM.

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
You have really wrong information. BERLUSCONI WAS ACQUITTED IN DECEMBER 2003. The Process is over and his public prosecutors have escaped to the European Parliament.. in the Communist Party of Europe where they have found the immunity.

Yes; he was acquitted by a corrupt judiciary. This is not the same as saying "he didn't do it"; this is saying, "we took a big block of wonga to say what he wants us to say".

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
Regarding the German MEP.. Berlusconi was probably wrong, but respect to the other politicians and their bla bla bla and nothing else he is a man who does and who speaks with the heart.
The German MEP has CLEARLY ADMITTED he was inspired by his Italian Left-wing collegues to provocate the PM.

None of which matters. Firstly, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly, the comment was either the zenith or the nadir of bad taste (I can't decide which), and if Burlusconi had any shred of decency, he would have resigned immediately. But that's beyond an egotist of his girth...

[Earthborn]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
You have really wrong information. BERLUSCONI WAS ACQUITTED IN DECEMBER 2003. The Process is over

So you are saying this article is wrong: "Berlusconi bribery trial reopens", and the trial wasn't reopened after the immunity law was found unconstitutional?

I like to see the evidence that Berlusconi was acquitted.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Yes; he was acquitted by a corrupt judiciary. This is not the same as saying "he didn't do it"; this is saying, "we took a big block of wonga to say what he wants us to say".

This stupid comment doesn't deserve an answer, i'm sorry.
He was acquitted in the 3rd grade and final grade, the Supreme Court. Even the leader of the Communist party has never said a such stupid comment. And even the former public prosecutors.
The Supreme Court is FULLY indipendent and neutral and its decision are above of every stupid comment, especially if it comes from an envy person that doesn't have a basic knowledge.

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
This stupid comment doesn't deserve an answer, i'm sorry.
He was acquitted in the 3rd grade and final grade, the Supreme Court. Even the leader of the Communist party has never said a such stupid comment. And even the former public prosecutors.
The Supreme Court is FULLY indipendent and neutral and its decision are above of every stupid comment, especially if it comes from an envy person that doesn't have a basic knowledge.

See above for the link to where your statement is proven totally incorrect.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Earthborn
So you are saying this article is wrong: "Berlusconi bribery trial reopens", and the trial wasn't reopened after the immunity law was found unconstitutional?

I like to see the evidence that Berlusconi was acquitted.

It's not a my problem if yr Left-wing fellows the journalists have invaded the media when Berlusconi was investigated and then they wrote 1 sentence in the 38th page and in the smallest italics when he was acquitted.
This is the biggest evidence on how in Italy, Europe and USA the media are too left oriented.

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?lay...117782971&cs=1


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0%2C...3683%2C00.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/492445.stm

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
It's not a my problem if yr Left-wing fellows the journalists have invaded the media when Berlusconi was investigated and then they wrote 1 sentence in the 38th page and in the smallest italics when he was acquitted.
This is the biggest evidence on how in Italy, Europe and USA the media are too left oriented.

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?lay...117782971&cs=1


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0%2C...3683%2C00.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/492445.stm

Interesting that when the British press tells the truth about Burlusconi, you label them "left wing", as if that were some kind of insult! Better that you learn the truth, rather than have that fascist Burlosconi try to hide it.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Interesting that when the British press tells the truth about Burlusconi, you label them "left wing", as if that were some kind of insult! Better that you learn the truth, rather than have that fascist Burlosconi try to hide it.

I've pasted a Britt article because i guess you don't understand Italian. I also suggest you to be a little more modest, to feel less envy and to know things before to open your mouth. Surely it's not you who can tell me what it's better for me and my country, especially because the only thing you know is to be a parrot of yr left-wing journalists.
The last point it's the my party is not a Fascist party, Forza Italian belong to the EPP together with the German CDU and the UK Tories. I invite you do not play with Fascism with me, being my granfather been killed by the Fascists.
I find no difference between Fascism, Nazism and Communism. They were all ideologies who have left people behind, destroyed the wishes of the citizen to feel free and killed who disagreed with them.

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
I've pasted a Britt article because i guess you don't understand Italian. I also suggest you to be a little more modest, to feel less envy and to know things before to open your mouth. Surely it's not you who can tell me what it's better for me and my country, especially because the only thing you know is to be a parrot of yr left-wing journalists.
The last point it's the my party is not a Fascist party, Forza Italian belong to the EPP together with the German CDU and the UK Tories. I invite you do not play with Fascism with me, being my granfather been killed by the Fascists.
I find no difference between Fascism, Nazism and Communism. They were all ideologies who have left people behind, destroyed the wishes of the citizen to feel free and killed who disagreed with them.

Why should I be envious of you? As to the whole notion of "country", I'd prefer to see nation-states done away with, but that's a conversation for another day.
What you're really saying is that because you have no evidence to refute the charges against Burlusconi, you're screaming angry and are going to rage impotently at me. And if your father was killed by the fascists, why are you supporting them now? Come to that, what on earth does your father's death have to do with anything that Burlusconi is doing? The only issue here is that Burlusconi is a creep who deserves at least to be put on trial--a fair trial!--before we decide what happens to him.
We, the people.

[Earthborn]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
This is the biggest evidence on how in Italy, Europe and USA the media are too left oriented.

That's not evidence that he is acquitted. If he is acquitted, it should be easy to come up with a freely available report that he was.

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http://www.variety.com/index.asp?lay...117782971&cs=1

This one requires a subscription. Please provide a more freely available source.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0%2C...3683%2C00.html

It helps to look at the date: Thursday March 14, 2002. It cannot be used as evidence that Berlusconi was acquitted in december 2003. Since we know that Berlusconi's trial continued in 2003, the statement that he was acquitted in 2002 is factually incorrect. If he was, then the controversy over the immunity laws would have never have happened.

Further: the spokeman of Silvio Berlusconi is not an independent source and his statements cannot be used as evidence.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/492445.stm

Again, it helps to pay attention to the date, in this case: Thursday, October 28, 1999. The article only mentions that Berlusconi was acquited for another crime than the one he was accused of in 2003:

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Mr Berlusconi was accused of tax evasion and false accounting over his dealings in land near his villa at Macherio near Milan.

On Tuesday the same court dropped charges of illegal party financing against Mr Berlusconi and another former premier, Bertino Craxi, on the grounds that the offences occurred more than ten years ago.

Also note that he wasn't acquitted because he didn't do it, but because he did them a long time ago.

Please provide evidence that he was acquited of bribery in december 2003, like you claimed.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Why should I be envious of you? As to the whole notion of "country", I'd prefer to see nation-states done away with, but that's a conversation for another day.
What you're really saying is that because you have no evidence to refute the charges against Burlusconi, you're screaming angry and are going to rage impotently at me. And if your father was killed by the fascists, why are you supporting them now? Come to that, what on earth does your father's death have to do with anything that Burlusconi is doing? The only issue here is that Burlusconi is a creep who deserves at least to be put on trial--a fair trial!--before we decide what happens to him.
We, the people.

What i really dislike it's ignorance, and unfortunately a discussion with you is a one way discussion with a person that doesn't have a basic knowledge.
I'm a person who check at the facts before to speak and i live in a country (if you read at the opening of this thread) where many things are now made because it's a non politician at our head. A person we have VOTED FOR, i remind you.
Second it was not my father but my GRANDFATHER who was held and killed by the Fascists and anyway FORZA ITALIA and the Center Right don't have ANY political link with that horrible past. The Italian Government is right now the staunchest ally of Israel in Europe and i find your comments quite ridicolous and funny, i'm sorry. Forza Italia represents a modern party inspired in the long Italian and European Liberal tradition and it has always expressed its anti communism and anti fascism. I don't think that you would consider our partners the Republicans, the UK Tories and the German CDU as Fascists.
Anyway your comments are generally unfair and ignorants. sorry.

Before to continue to lose time with stupid comments you should read at the values and at the principles that inspired the party. (If you are able to read)

FORZA ITALIA: WHO WE ARE

"Would we define Forza Italia according to political analysts' standards, we should name it as a party of values and programme.


In the geography of politics, it's a center party, the center of Italian political system.

It's a liberal party, but not elitist; it's a Catholic-inspired party, but not denominational or confessional; it's a secular party, but not secularist or anti-Christian; it's a national party, but not centralist.

It's a party with a very simple name: the party of the people, the people of goodwill and common sense, the party of the Italians who love other people as well as their own country, the party of the Italians who love freedom. "Forza Italia": force of freedom.

(...)
We gathered in the memory of April 18, 1948. In that day, after the fascism and World War 2, the Italian people chose the West, the freedom.
That day in 1948 celebrated the victory of all the political and cultural forces that were neither socialist or communist: it was the victory of all the political center. If April 25, 1945 marked the end of nazi-fascism in Italy, April 18, 1948 is the day when democracy and liberty were born in our country.
We remember with gratitude those who provided 50 years of freedom in democracy, progress and welfare: the Christian Democrats, the Social-democrats, the Liberals, the Republicans.

These are our roots, leading the foundation of our party in 1994. Under the idea that the State should be no enemy, but friend of the citizens, at their service, according to the Christian and liberal message of the infinite value of the individual."


FORZA ITALIA'S CHART OF VALUES

The principles in which we believe are the fundamental values of all the great western democracies.

We believe in FREEDOM,
in all of its aspects: freedom of thought, of expression, of worship,
of association, freedom of enterprise and trade. We believe in the free market and the rule of law.

We believe in the PERSON,
in everyone's right to realize his/herself, to pursue welfare and happiness, to build with his own hands the future, and to educate his children according to his/her beliefs.

We believe in the FAMILY,
fundamental core of our society and center of our main affections.

We believe in the ENTERPRISE,
that is the principal institute to which is demanded the creation of job,
of welfare and of wealth.

We believe in the values of our ITALIAN TRADITION,
that the whole world admires and appreciates.

We share and nourish the values of the CHRISTIAN TRADITION: the inalienable values of life, of
common good, of freedom of education and learning, of peace, of solidarity, of justice and of
tolerance towards everyone, including political enemies.

We believe in the respect and in the LOVE FOR WEAKER PEOPLE, like the ill patients,
the children, the elders, the unprivileged people.

[Berlusconi]

Eartborn, provide me something similar about your big friend Jacques Chirac.

[Berlusconi]

This article published by the UK daily The Guardian is very clear regarding the huge campaign organized by the Italian and the European media against the Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

Thursday September 11, 2003
The Guardian

The European media agression on Berlusconi


In June, the German magazine Der Spiegel emailed me and, since I have lived in Italy for 20 years, asked for a short comment for a cover story on Silvio Berlusconi's presidency of the EU, "Could it damage the union?"

I replied: although Berlusconi is an unattractive figure and there are serious conflict-of-interest issues, Italian politics remains the same paralysed battleground of fragmented coalitions and weak executives. It is hard to see how any EU presidency could damage the so-called community as much as another Franco-German summit which aspires to tell the rest of us what our futures will be.

A week later I received an email regretting that Spiegel didn't include my comment because "it did not fit in with the critical approach of the story", which lambasted Berlusconi for his control of public opinion.

If moral indignation (with its pious subtext "we are working to improve the world") is the raison d'être of a certain kind of journalism, then this can most safely be given vent when talking about foreign countries. You can make libellous allegations, ignore complications and feel sure there will be no comeback. The "local expert" who cares about having his voice heard is the man who appreciates this.

So Tobias Jones was definitely the man for the BBC World Service programme on corruption in Italy and Turkey a few weeks ago. Jones, who has been in Italy for four years, recently published a book, The Dark Heart of Italy, with a picture of Berlusconi on the cover. This marvellous equation suggests that Jones has learned from the media man that, to have impact, one must be simplistic, if not crass. Pretty well all Italian politicians are corrupt and enjoy complete immunity, Jones informs us via the authoritative microphones of the BBC. I nearly coughed up my pasta.

Some general comments on the interminable trials against Berlusconi - his guilt was assumed - were then used as introduction to the terribly sad story of the children who died last year when a school collapsed in an earthquake in southern Italy, and a generalised accusation that Italian corruption breeds gerry-building. It was not mentioned that Berlusconi first came to public attention for his construction of a model estate in the suburbs of Milan, complete with its own safely-built schools, clinics and... television station.

There is truth, of course, in the idea of a culture of corruption. But it is all so much more complicated. There were complications behind the collapse of the school in Molise. There are endless complications in the story of the Berlusconi trials, the history of the Italian media, Italian politics. Even in a full-length book one despairs of giving the reader a real taste of the mind-set involved.

What are these snippets of ignorant journalism for then? The media, I suppose, consolidates its relationship with the public by inviting them to share in an orgy of pious indignation, enjoying, as Jones would put it, complete immunity.

Tim Parks

[Earthborn]

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Eartborn, provide me something similar about your big friend Jacques Chirac.

Chirac is not my big friend, neither do I consider him to be similar to me politically. I know he has been in a few corruption scandals of his own.

The point is however: I never made any claims about Chirac, so I don't have to provide any evidence about Chirac. You made claims about Berlusconi. Claims that should be easily verifiable. But apperently you don't want to back them up in any way.

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Earthborn
Chirac is not my big friend, neither do I consider him to be similar to me politically. I know he has been in a few corruption scandals of his own.

The point is however: I never made any claims about Chirac, so I don't have to provide any evidence about Chirac. You made claims about Berlusconi. Claims that should be easily verifiable. But apperently you don't want to back them up in any way.

Probably you have some problems in reading, this is not a my problem, i have reported since the first message of this thread what it has happened, but it seams you want to know things better than me that i'm Italian and i live in Italy.
If you would prefer to say the moon is blue i don't have problems, it's up to you, not to me.

I look at him for what he does as a politician, not at what the media reports. And e does exactely the things for which i, with 18 million of Italians, have voted for him.

I'm sorry you would see a communist at the head of Italy probably bring my country so far from America, but it has never happened and it will never happen.

Sleep well.

[Earthborn]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
This article published by the UK daily The Guardian is very clear regarding the huge campaign organized by the Italian and the European media against the Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

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If you didn't know about this rule, I don't think there is a problem. Just consider yourself warned from now on.

[Earthborn]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
Probably you have some problems in reading, this is not a my problem, i have reported since the first message of this thread what it has happened, but it seams you want to know things better than me that i'm Italian and i live in Italy.

Since you live in Italy and you are Italian, it should be easy for you back up your claims. All I ask of you is to show me that Berlusconi has been acquitted, because I can't find the evidence for that. I assume you must be able to find it more easily (in Italian if you have to, I'll find a way to translate it.)

[Berlusconi]

I'm sorry, i've missed to read at that rule.

[Kimpatsu]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
I'm sorry, i've missed to read at that rule.

Like Burlusconi has thrown out the rulebook, too?

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by Earthborn
Since you live in Italy and you are Italian, it should be easy for you back up your claims. All I ask of you is to show me that Berlusconi has been acquitted, because I can't find the evidence for that. I assume you must be able to find it more easily (in Italian if you have to, I'll find a way to translate it.)

Probably the articles i've linked before were not enough.. ok.. i also give you the links from the daily La Repubblica, that it's the biggest Italian newspaper and it's an ultra leftiest. Happy?

ASSOLTO means ACQUITTED

http://www.repubblica.it/online/poli...o/assolto.html

http://www.repubblica.it/online/fatt.../berlusco.html

http://www.repubblica.it/online/poli.../macherio.html


(this is an interview with Senator Ayala - Socialialist - that he has anyway expressed his satisfaction after Berlusconi was acquitted. The Left at that time was embarrassed and they ordered their media do not speak anymore about the Berlusconi's process)
http://www.senato.it/dsulivo/intervi...nt011023_1.htm

http://lanazione.quotidiano.net/art/2000/02/09/513919

http://servizi.radioradicale.it/newsrr/view.asp?q=8990

http://www.opinione.it/archivio/1.co..._copertina.htm

[Berlusconi]

Now that it seams that those arguments are over, i'd enter in the discussion about the facts, what the Government does.

[Earthborn]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
Happy?

No, because once again, you have not paid any attention to the dates.

[geni]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
[b]It's not a my problem if yr Left-wing fellows the journalists have invaded the media when Berlusconi was investigated and then they wrote 1 sentence in the 38th page and in the smallest italics when he was acquitted.
This is the biggest evidence on how in Italy, Europe and USA the media are too left oriented.

Check I'm in europe. Yep

Check The Times, The Telegraph and the Daily Mail are still on sale. Yep

What was your point again?

[Berlusconi]

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Originally posted by geni
Check I'm in europe. Yep

Check The Times, The Telegraph and the Daily Mail are still on sale. Yep

What was your point again?

In fact i still remember a letter written by Margaret Thatcher in 2001 or by Helmut Kohl in 2002 in which both leaders expressed their solidarity to Berlusconi because a real media agression he is victim. It's nothing to add.
Newspapers are on sale. Buy one and check it, or open yr TV and watch every Italian channel and then we speak.

[geni]

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Originally posted by Berlusconi
Newspapers are on sale. Buy one and check it, or open yr TV and watch every Italian channel and then we speak.

I don't speek italian and I have better things to spend my money on than a TV lisence. The papars a listed all have a cercilation of over 1million (the telgraph is the bigest selling broadsheet in britian) all are right wing by any reasonable defintion (allthough the times is less right wing than the other two)