Update on Destruction of Phoenix Prophecy!

billiefan2000 · 20th March 2003, 09:45 AM

The Original Prophecy:

"Tom Heward is an Evangelist who runs a Christian web-site that is declaring Phoenix AZ will be totally destroyed by terrorists very soon.

He and two other Christians have a ministry in New York City witnessing to drug addicts, homeless people, runaways, etc. Over a year ago, all three of these Christians received visions from God that Judgement would be coming to America and specifically to Phoenix.

They went to Phoenix several times last year to warn the churches of this impending terrorists attack, no one would listen to them, they were only laughed at by the church pastors in Phoenix.

Tom has been given new visions that a major terrorists attack will destroy most of Phoenix. In January, he and his two Evangelist friends had visions that this destuction will happen in either the months of March or April of 2003.

http://www.nextcrusade.com/timebomb/phoenix.html

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if you read:

http://knxv.com/news/index.asp?doc=m...0030319_2.html

http://washingtontimes.com/national/...0-43174000.htm

there are some who thing this maybe for real.

I want to hear what you think on this and I would love to hear especially those from Phoenix Arizona.

also:

http://members.christhost.com/americ...ys/phoenix.htm

http://www.nextcrusade.com/timebomb/phoenix.html

has more info on this

c4ts · 20th March 2003, 11:30 AM

I wonder what he'll say in May after his prophecy doesn't come true.

Upchurch · 20th March 2003, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I want to hear what you think on this

I think they will probably take a page from our prophetic Christian friend Paul Bethke's book. When the event does not come to pass, they will declare that they interpreted the vision wrong and it will be next April or May, or the one after that.

Any open ended prophesy can never be disproven because it can always happen "tomorrow" even though tomorrow never comes. When they set a definitive date, few actually stick to it.

The one thing I could truly respect is one of these prophets who gets it wrong and admits to it rather than trying to cover their own tracks

Pahansiri · 20th March 2003, 12:34 PM

Quote:

"Tom Heward is an Evangelist who runs a Christian web-site that is declaring Phoenix AZ will be totally destroyed by terrorists very soon.

I must assume he is saying then, being he said

Quote:

Phoenix AZ will be totally destroyed

that after this event nothing will be found where Phoenix AZ was. No people, no animals, no insects, no buildings, no trees, no hills, no sand, no dirt or any kind etc. Will there be a huge Phoenix AZ shaped hole there that goes right through to China?

Totally destroyed means. Completely, Entirely, Absolutely, Wholly, Fully, Thoroughly, Perfectly and Utterly destroyed.

Also billiefan if I may ask you post that they write

Quote:

Over a year ago, all three of these Christians received visions from God that Judgement would be coming to America and specifically to Phoenix.

From this I must again assume something and that would be that these men who do this act of terrorism are not terrorist at all but just men doing Gods will. They it seems are just tools of god doing his will, dealing out his judgment. For that reason do you look to these workers of gods will as great people of god?

They write

Quote:

They went to Phoenix several times last year to warn the churches of this impending terrorists attack, no one would listen to them, they were only laughed at by the church pastors in Phoenix.

Is it not blasphemy for these Evangelist to call these men doing gods will, dealing out gods punishment/judgment, terrorists.

You see they can not say that these will be acts of terrorists and then say they are gods Judgement. Is not all of gods actions good, perfect and great? If this is gods Judgement you and all should be happy. Right?

Upchurch · 20th March 2003, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pahansiri

Will there be a huge Phoenix AZ shaped hole there that goes right through to China?

One would assume that the land, hills, rocks, etc. would be left as they were probably there before the title "Pheonix, AZ" was attached to it. It isn't the land that defines "Pheonix", but the people and construction, wouldn't you say?

Pahansiri · 20th March 2003, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Upchurch
One would assume that the land, hills, rocks, etc. would be left as they were probably there before the title "Pheonix, AZ" was attached to it. It isn't the land that defines "Pheonix", but the people and construction, wouldn't you say?

Not really Upchurch.

If this God is all knowing he would have known or, being in full control made this place to be Phoenix this would date back to, well way back for that reason the land has to go also for it to be totally destroyed.

I do not make the rules I just point out things.

20th March 2003, 01:47 PM

And then when nothing happens, they will say it was a "spiritual destruction", etc.

Paltalkers... gotta love em.

There are many "interesting" atheists too on the other side of the spectrum.

Loki · 20th March 2003, 02:09 PM

Looks like we'll soon have another one to add to the list...

Oops

billiefan2000 · 20th March 2003, 02:25 PM

and say it was misinterperted.

Loki,at least you will have one more and who knows maybe Randi and other Skeptics Groups may mention it when it dont happen.

Pahansiri · 20th March 2003, 02:41 PM

billiefan2000 I hope you are well and happy. My friend you never answer my post.

20th March 2003, 02:56 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest...eat/index.html

Pahansiri · 20th March 2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whodini
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest...eat/index.html

Hello my friend Whodini I hope you are well and happy.

Many nuke sites are considered targets by people wishing to do this harm this need not be an epiphany it is just common sense and logical no big secret really. In fact there are other plants that I assume are larger targets then that one, that would include the one just 30 miles or so from NYC the “kill zone”is a 50 mile radius and would take out the whole city and kill millions.

The article you posted contained in the very first paragraph the following

Quote:

However, another U.S. government source said the intelligence is uncorroborated and has not been deemed credible.

NoZed Avenger · 20th March 2003, 03:28 PM

From the "date setters" websute mentioned above:

Quote:

King Otto II of Germany had Charlemagne's body exhumed on Pentecost in the year 1000 supposedly in order to forestall the apocalypse.

You laugh -- but it WORKED, didn't it ?!

NA

20th March 2003, 09:45 AM	#1
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	Update on Destruction of Phoenix Prophecy! The Original Prophecy: "Tom Heward is an Evangelist who runs a Christian web-site that is declaring Phoenix AZ will be totally destroyed by terrorists very soon. He and two other Christians have a ministry in New York City witnessing to drug addicts, homeless people, runaways, etc. Over a year ago, all three of these Christians received visions from God that Judgement would be coming to America and specifically to Phoenix. They went to Phoenix several times last year to warn the churches of this impending terrorists attack, no one would listen to them, they were only laughed at by the church pastors in Phoenix. Tom has been given new visions that a major terrorists attack will destroy most of Phoenix. In January, he and his two Evangelist friends had visions that this destuction will happen in either the months of March or April of 2003. http://www.nextcrusade.com/timebomb/phoenix.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ if you read: http://knxv.com/news/index.asp?doc=m...0030319_2.html http://washingtontimes.com/national/...0-43174000.htm there are some who thing this maybe for real. I want to hear what you think on this and I would love to hear especially those from Phoenix Arizona. also: http://members.christhost.com/americ...ys/phoenix.htm http://www.nextcrusade.com/timebomb/phoenix.html has more info on this
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20th March 2003, 11:30 AM	#2
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	I wonder what he'll say in May after his prophecy doesn't come true.
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20th March 2003, 12:14 PM	#3
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Re: Update on Destruction of Phoenix Prophecy! Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I want to hear what you think on this I think they will probably take a page from our prophetic Christian friend Paul Bethke's book. When the event does not come to pass, they will declare that they interpreted the vision wrong and it will be next April or May, or the one after that. Any open ended prophesy can never be disproven because it can always happen "tomorrow" even though tomorrow never comes. When they set a definitive date, few actually stick to it. The one thing I could truly respect is one of these prophets who gets it wrong and admits to it rather than trying to cover their own tracks

20th March 2003, 12:34 PM	#4
Pahansiri Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,380	Quote: "Tom Heward is an Evangelist who runs a Christian web-site that is declaring Phoenix AZ will be totally destroyed by terrorists very soon. I must assume he is saying then, being he said Quote: Phoenix AZ will be totally destroyed that after this event nothing will be found where Phoenix AZ was. No people, no animals, no insects, no buildings, no trees, no hills, no sand, no dirt or any kind etc. Will there be a huge Phoenix AZ shaped hole there that goes right through to China? Totally destroyed means. Completely, Entirely, Absolutely, Wholly, Fully, Thoroughly, Perfectly and Utterly destroyed. Also billiefan if I may ask you post that they write Quote: Over a year ago, all three of these Christians received visions from God that Judgement would be coming to America and specifically to Phoenix. From this I must again assume something and that would be that these men who do this act of terrorism are not terrorist at all but just men doing Gods will. They it seems are just tools of god doing his will, dealing out his judgment. For that reason do you look to these workers of gods will as great people of god? They write Quote: They went to Phoenix several times last year to warn the churches of this impending terrorists attack, no one would listen to them, they were only laughed at by the church pastors in Phoenix. Is it not blasphemy for these Evangelist to call these men doing gods will, dealing out gods punishment/judgment, terrorists. You see they can not say that these will be acts of terrorists and then say they are gods Judgement. Is not all of gods actions good, perfect and great? If this is gods Judgement you and all should be happy. Right?
	__________________ "If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility."...H.W.Longfellow

20th March 2003, 01:11 PM	#6
Pahansiri Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,380	Quote: Originally posted by Upchurch One would assume that the land, hills, rocks, etc. would be left as they were probably there before the title "Pheonix, AZ" was attached to it. It isn't the land that defines "Pheonix", but the people and construction, wouldn't you say? Not really Upchurch. If this God is all knowing he would have known or, being in full control made this place to be Phoenix this would date back to, well way back for that reason the land has to go also for it to be totally destroyed. I do not make the rules I just point out things.
	__________________ "If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility."...H.W.Longfellow

20th March 2003, 01:06 PM	#5
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Quote: Originally posted by Pahansiri Will there be a huge Phoenix AZ shaped hole there that goes right through to China? One would assume that the land, hills, rocks, etc. would be left as they were probably there before the title "Pheonix, AZ" was attached to it. It isn't the land that defines "Pheonix", but the people and construction, wouldn't you say?

20th March 2003, 01:47 PM	#7
Guest Posts: n/a	And then when nothing happens, they will say it was a "spiritual destruction", etc. Paltalkers... gotta love em. There are many "interesting" atheists too on the other side of the spectrum.
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20th March 2003, 02:09 PM	#8
Loki Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,406	Looks like we'll soon have another one to add to the list... Oops
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20th March 2003, 02:25 PM	#9
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	Upchurch,maybe they will pull a Richard Eby... and say it was misinterperted. Loki,at least you will have one more and who knows maybe Randi and other Skeptics Groups may mention it when it dont happen.
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20th March 2003, 02:41 PM	#10
Pahansiri Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,380	billiefan2000 I hope you are well and happy. My friend you never answer my post.
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20th March 2003, 02:56 PM	#11
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20th March 2003, 03:26 PM	#12
Pahansiri Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,380	Quote: Originally posted by Whodini http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest...eat/index.html Hello my friend Whodini I hope you are well and happy. Many nuke sites are considered targets by people wishing to do this harm this need not be an epiphany it is just common sense and logical no big secret really. In fact there are other plants that I assume are larger targets then that one, that would include the one just 30 miles or so from NYC the “kill zone”is a 50 mile radius and would take out the whole city and kill millions. The article you posted contained in the very first paragraph the following Quote: However, another U.S. government source said the intelligence is uncorroborated and has not been deemed credible.
	__________________ "If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each man's life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility."...H.W.Longfellow

20th March 2003, 03:28 PM	#13
NoZed Avenger Bitter Whiner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11,313	From the "date setters" websute mentioned above: Quote: King Otto II of Germany had Charlemagne's body exhumed on Pentecost in the year 1000 supposedly in order to forestall the apocalypse. You laugh -- but it WORKED, didn't it ?! NA