Talk about spin... This outdoes O'Rielly

jj · 8th October 2004, 02:59 PM

From

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/elec...816-A1-03.html

Quote:

someone in the bush campaign
"It seems the Kerry campaign has a really tough time building crowds. They do their ticket distribution publicly. You can download a ticket on the Internet. We actually have to turn people away."

(edited to add lots, hit (cr) at the wrong time)

Also

Quote:

the article
In New Mexico, supporters at an appearance by Vice President Dick Cheney were forced to sign a loyalty oath.

In Phoenix, an official from the Kerry campaign was denied admittance to a Bush speech even though she had a ticket.

A read of the whole article is worthwhile. One campaign shows some understanding of freedom, the other campaign is tightly controlled to present an Orwellian view. One campaign allows protests, and deals with them. The other one won't even let in people with tickets. One campaign doesn't require a loyalty oath, the other does.

The campaigns, in and of themselves, show perfectly the behavior of the two parties at present, and the two candidates.

A vote for Bush is a vote for Totalitarianism.

TillEulenspiegel · 8th October 2004, 03:08 PM

Aw jj Your just grumpy. Everyone knows Bush is a great president open to opposing views and arguments.

Charlie Monoxide · 8th October 2004, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jj
....
A vote for Bush is a vote for Totalitarianism.

Errr, do you have a problem with Bush's proposal for a new "Ministry of Love"?

Charlie (four more beers! four more beers!) Monoxide

jj · 8th October 2004, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
Errr, do you have a problem with Bush's proposal for a new "Ministry of Love"?

Charlie (four more beers! four more beers!) Monoxide

Did I see somewhere his political office was named "Orwell"?

Ladewig · 8th October 2004, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Bush campaign spokesman Kevin Madden:
"It seems the Kerry campaign has a really tough time building crowds. They do their ticket distribution publicly. You can download a ticket on the Internet. We actually have to turn people away."

You have to turn people away? Maybe that's because you, youself, described the difference as "Bush's events are smaller by design."

Furious · 8th October 2004, 03:53 PM

Quote:

A read of the whole article is worthwhile. One campaign shows some understanding of freedom, the other campaign is tightly controlled to present an Orwellian view. One campaign allows protests, and deals with them. The other one won't even let in people with tickets. One campaign doesn't require a loyalty oath, the other does.

I don't disagree with Orwellian, but they are legal.

I heard about it this morning as well, and it was mentioned about a month ago on the Daily Show at one of the fund raisers.

I personally don't mind them cutting down on agitators; the RNC has significantly more violent protesters than the DNC, so I think they are somewhat justified in some form of screening. What I find interesting is that a displaying a single issue not in line with the President will get you not allowed in period.

I know of a bunch of pro-choice Republicans who be appalled, and I wouldn't blame them.

jj · 8th October 2004, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious
I know of a bunch of pro-choice Republicans who be appalled, and I wouldn't blame them.

Yuh, and now you know one more.

Dorian Gray · 8th October 2004, 10:22 PM

He changed it from the Oval Office to the Orwell Office.

8th October 2004, 02:59 PM	#1
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,476	Talk about spin... This outdoes O'Rielly From http://www.columbusdispatch.com/elec...816-A1-03.html Quote: someone in the bush campaign "It seems the Kerry campaign has a really tough time building crowds. They do their ticket distribution publicly. You can download a ticket on the Internet. We actually have to turn people away." (edited to add lots, hit (cr) at the wrong time) Also Quote: the article In New Mexico, supporters at an appearance by Vice President Dick Cheney were forced to sign a loyalty oath. In Phoenix, an official from the Kerry campaign was denied admittance to a Bush speech even though she had a ticket. A read of the whole article is worthwhile. One campaign shows some understanding of freedom, the other campaign is tightly controlled to present an Orwellian view. One campaign allows protests, and deals with them. The other one won't even let in people with tickets. One campaign doesn't require a loyalty oath, the other does. The campaigns, in and of themselves, show perfectly the behavior of the two parties at present, and the two candidates. A vote for Bush is a vote for Totalitarianism.
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8th October 2004, 03:08 PM	#2
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Charlie Monoxide Wag Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 2,761	Re: Talk about spin... This outdoes O'Rielly Quote: Originally posted by jj .... A vote for Bush is a vote for Totalitarianism. Errr, do you have a problem with Bush's proposal for a new "Ministry of Love"? Charlie (four more beers! four more beers!) Monoxide
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8th October 2004, 03:32 PM	#4
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,476	Re: Re: Talk about spin... This outdoes O'Rielly Quote: Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide Errr, do you have a problem with Bush's proposal for a new "Ministry of Love"? Charlie (four more beers! four more beers!) Monoxide Did I see somewhere his political office was named "Orwell"?
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8th October 2004, 03:52 PM	#5
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,786	Quote: Bush campaign spokesman Kevin Madden: "It seems the Kerry campaign has a really tough time building crowds. They do their ticket distribution publicly. You can download a ticket on the Internet. We actually have to turn people away." You have to turn people away? Maybe that's because you, youself, described the difference as "Bush's events are smaller by design."
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8th October 2004, 03:53 PM	#6
Furious Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 295	Quote: A read of the whole article is worthwhile. One campaign shows some understanding of freedom, the other campaign is tightly controlled to present an Orwellian view. One campaign allows protests, and deals with them. The other one won't even let in people with tickets. One campaign doesn't require a loyalty oath, the other does. I don't disagree with Orwellian, but they are legal. I heard about it this morning as well, and it was mentioned about a month ago on the Daily Show at one of the fund raisers. I personally don't mind them cutting down on agitators; the RNC has significantly more violent protesters than the DNC, so I think they are somewhat justified in some form of screening. What I find interesting is that a displaying a single issue not in line with the President will get you not allowed in period. I know of a bunch of pro-choice Republicans who be appalled, and I wouldn't blame them.
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8th October 2004, 05:52 PM	#7
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,476	Quote: Originally posted by Furious I know of a bunch of pro-choice Republicans who be appalled, and I wouldn't blame them. Yuh, and now you know one more.
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